Popegate has become one of my favorite Bernie campaign screw-ups.

[DanTex]

Because now that the "invited to meet the pope" thing has been exposed as a fraud, he's kind of in a tight spot. His choices are:

1) Go to an obscure academic conference that Jeffery Sachs wrangled him an invitation to, missing a couple days of campaigning right before the primary, and suffering more press coverage about how he wasn't actually invited to meet the pope contrary to what he said on national TV.

2) Pull out of the whole thing, and come across as confused and incompetent.

What's it gonna be?

[BeyondGeography]

1. Hard to decide which is worse

The idea or its execution.

[TheBlackAdder]

62. And the Women Deliver 2016 Global Conference is right around the corner too. Oops, too soon?

[hobbit709]

2. Life is good in Hillaryland, where the poo flinging never stops.

[Sheepshank]

12. Ya, good thing the Hillary supporters fail to accept everything being spoon fed by BS

Questioning and clearing it up Reveals the TRUTH.

I'm sure the alternative and false narrative would have been preferred by the Sanders supporters. This is a very clear example of the BS supporters wanting so badly to believe, and that internalizing and accepting a false narrative is especially important to promoting their candidate.

[hobbit709]

14. So instead you eagerly lap up whatever Hillary says.

no matter how much it has been proved a lie.
Take a good look in the mirror.

[Sheepshank]

17. Sure......I know what I am, but what are you?

No one on the Hillary side completely ignores the narrative that has been talked about Hillary for 25 years. BS Supportrs are a different breed with a whole lotta belief systems. That constant need and talking points deifying Bernie is particularly troubling IMHO. That is exactly where this subject matter was heading until the Clinton supporters dug a little deeper.

[SunSeeker]

46. Hillary has not said a thing about this that I am aware of.

What are you talking about? All of the posts on Popegate I have seen relied on media reporting facts about the incident. It appears to be you who have "lapped up" your candidate's statements "no matter how much it has been proved a lie." It now appears pretty clear Sanders was not invited by the Vatican to speak to the Pope, but by a Monsignor (at the behest of Sanders advisor Sachs) to attend (Sanders is not listed as a speaker) a conference in Rome that the Pope has given no indiction he will attend.

[TheBlackAdder]

36. Democrats are supposed to be Enlightened. Using a contemporary term, these OPs are BASIC!

[KittyWampus]

40. How is this "poo-flinging"? It's a monumental screw-up by Sanders' campaign.

With either remaining option lousy.

We shouldn't talk about it?

Or question Sanders' judgement?

[myrna minx]

3. on edit- don't care.

[Dem2]

4. You're just saying that cuz you know I trashed all 50 or so threads on the topic

Including this one.

[Arkana]

5. What's it like in your reality?

[noiretextatique]

6. Silly, childish, dumb, ridiculous, parhetic and desperate eom

[DanTex]

8. Yes, it is "parhetic" to go on national TV and pretend the pope invited you to meet him.

[Arkana]

10. Really? Because he was invited by the Vatican, according to, um...THE VATICAN:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

This election has soured me so much on Hillary supporters--you people belittle young voters and castigate women who don't support her primary bid, and you expect everyone to suck it up and vote for her in November? Get real.

[DanTex]

11. Actually, he was invited to an academic conference held at the Vatican, but when has the truth

ever stopped Bernie from going on national TV and saying false things before?

[Human101948]

56. At least he can be fact checked because he does it in public...where are Hillary's transcripts?

Can't let those babies see the light of day.

[timmymoff]

69. So a conference with two presidents

and various educators on moral issues is a bad thing. If only he could attend a fundraiser at the Clooney's for $335,000 a plate and discuss the moral dilemma of putting money first. I guess he could go to Hong Kong as well considering the foreign fundraiser for the Corporate Queen. I figured you had been bloodied enough yesterday with this ridiculousness that you would've change your username from DanTex to KoTex. Like your candidate a moral compass is beyond your grasp.

[DanTex]

72. I'm sure it will be fun. No idea why he tried to sell it as a Papal invitation, but I guess he's

he's got some flexible honesty standards going on.

[timmymoff]

75. Yea Honesty is Hillary's strong suit

according to the trustworthy polls. Negatives as well. Keep spinning. You should adopt that song " you spin me round round baby round round" as your new theme song.

[SunSeeker]

47. Your link does not say the Vatican invited him.

It says a Monsignor invited him to a conference. The Vatican put out a press release that it did not invite Sanders. As noted in the NY Times:

The Sanders campaign made the announcement on Friday as the Vermont senator made the rounds on the morning television news shows. Mr. Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, said he would take a break from campaigning in New York, just days before the April 19 primary there, to attend a conference hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, a scholarly association in Vatican City that was established by Pope John Paul II in 1994.

Mr. Sanders did not initially correct interviewers who suggested that he would meet with the pope, but he later clarified that he had not confirmed whether the two men would actually meet.

Further confusion about the trip bubbled up on Friday afternoon when the Vatican press office made clear that it had not issued the invitation, but that it had come from the academy. It said that there was no indication that Mr. Sanders would meet with Francis.

Meanwhile, Margaret Archer, the academy’s president, told Bloomberg News that Mr. Sanders had actively solicited the invitation for political purposes.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Ms. Archer said. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote, but this is not the Catholic vote, and he should remember that and act accordingly — not that he will.”

But hours later, Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, a senior papal official and the academy’s chancellor, denied that Mr. Sanders had invited himself to the event. He told Reuters that it was his idea to invite the senator.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-accepts-pope-franciss-invitation-to-travel-to-the-vatican/

[lunamagica]

113. So, it is on Vatican City, Not The Vatican

Seems some don't know there is a difference

[DrDan]

117. it gets worse than that - some do not realize that there is a difference between the Pope

and the Vatican.

We have some here who have stated any invitation coming from the Vatican has been personally approved by the Pope.

[lunamagica]

118. Oh, my...

Then again, this should not come as a surprise, considering their ignorance on other issues

[noiretextatique]

38. No...it is pathetic to keep harping about nothing

Trying to create an issue.

[Henhouse]

7. Suspects Sachs' is a HRC mole...Sarcasm. n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. Spin it how you want to

[HERVEPA]

13. Dan, you have been outed as a fraud and liar so many times I can't count.

[redstateblues]

29. DanTex's critics always end up making personal attacks

when they can't come up with a coherent counter point. Post #13 proves my point

[KittyWampus]

41. I just alerted it. It's unquestionably a nasty personal attack...

[Bobbie Jo]

51. It will be allowed

The double standards around here are a sight to behold.

[revmclaren]

53. So did I.

DU used to be levels above this shit!:

[HERVEPA]

100. Dan's shit. Attacking progressives. Yes, used to be.

[itsrobert]

102. I alerted too.

n/t

[Human101948]

57. Boo fucking hoo!

Whiney babies!

[Bobbie Jo]

76. Exhibit A.

[Goblinmonger]

112. Jury results

Full disclosure: I was 7

On Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:01 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Boo fucking hoo!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1690080

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Called forum members Whiny Babies.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 9, 2016, 02:12 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Awwww.... I have seen a LOT worse stand. This is tame! Get a thicker skin and duke it out until we have our Nominee...
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Explanation: Between the OP, this post, and the person this post replies to, there are 22 hides between the 3 of them. And they are all still allowed to post here (the lowest of the 3 still has 5 hides). So, have at it guys. It's the new DU with amnesty!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[revmclaren]

119. Just because it survived the Sanders squad doesnt mean that the Admins are not taking note.

3...4 weeks, dozens gone.

Bookmark this.

[frylock]

90. There is no coherent counter point for this diarrhea.

Calling out lying Dan for his lies is hardly a personal attack.

[HERVEPA]

99. exactly. Thanks.

[stonecutter357]

71. nasty personal attack.

[ismnotwasm]

87. Your transparency page is showing.

[Barack_America]

15. Right? And he's not even getting PAID for this speech.

Rookie.

And a conference about social and economic equality with world thought leaders? Snore-fest!

[pangaia]

33. Ignore him. His needle is stuck, is stuck, is stuck, is stuck, is stuck, is stuck.

[KittyWampus]

42. He's not even giving a speech. And time constraints show he'd only attend part

of the conference.

[azurnoir]

16. well it seems the Pope won't be going to Greece till the 16th now

did he change schedule because we've been being told it the 14&15 he'd be in Greece

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/06/473209431/pope-francis-patriarch-bartholomew-may-visit-greece-this-month

[jmg257]

18. Yep, now we know who will be doing what that day...seems appropriate doesn't it?

"It will cost more than four times the average income in San Francisco to have dinner next to Hillary Clinton and the Clooneys there next month."


"U.S. presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders will head to the Vatican next week to take part in a small scholarly conference revisiting an encyclical from Pope John Paul II confronting economic issues."


Hang with superrich elite pimps and hors in the Bay Area, or speak at a conference at the Vatican about economic inequality and the plight of the working class.

I LOVE the contrast this clearly illustrates - all we need to know about the candidates.

[vintx]

34. This post wins the thread

[KittyWampus]

43. He LIED about seeing the Pope on national tv. So yes, it does show a difference.

[jmg257]

45. Yep - agree. So he'll be at the Vatican not meeting with the Pope; HIllary will

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be in the Bay Area NOT selling more favors than she can possibly cover (really! )

Hope she doesn't land under sniper fire!

[Lucinda]

114. She is fundraising for the Dem party. n/t

[SunSeeker]

48. How much will it cost Sanders and his Secret Service detail to fly to Rome?

Seems like a lot of money to spend to attend (he's not listed as a speaker) a conference that Sanders advisor Sachs got him invited to.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=95939

[jmg257]

50. Not too much. Pretty big deal, being invited to the vatican. Especially right before a NY Primary.

Where such a large % are catholic.

And of course when he is quite concerned about economic injustice. GREAT opportunity for him and the US no matter what.


Don't worry, I bet Hillary will have fun with the Clooneys too!

[SunSeeker]

55. He wasn't invited by the Vatican.

As the New York Times reported:

The Sanders campaign made the announcement on Friday as the Vermont senator made the rounds on the morning television news shows. Mr. Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, said he would take a break from campaigning in New York, just days before the April 19 primary there, to attend a conference hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, a scholarly association in Vatican City that was established by Pope John Paul II in 1994.

Mr. Sanders did not initially correct interviewers who suggested that he would meet with the pope, but he later clarified that he had not confirmed whether the two men would actually meet.

Further confusion about the trip bubbled up on Friday afternoon when the Vatican press office made clear that it had not issued the invitation, but that it had come from the academy. It said that there was no indication that Mr. Sanders would meet with Francis.

Meanwhile, Margaret Archer, the academy’s president, told Bloomberg News that Mr. Sanders had actively solicited the invitation for political purposes.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Ms. Archer said. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote, but this is not the Catholic vote, and he should remember that and act accordingly — not that he will.”

But hours later, Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, a senior papal official and the academy’s chancellor, denied that Mr. Sanders had invited himself to the event. He told Reuters that it was his idea to invite the senator.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-accepts-pope-franciss-invitation-to-travel-to-the-vatican/


And Sanders’s advisor, Sachs, is who lobbied the conference organizers to invite Sanders.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=95939

[jmg257]

60. Riiiight - Invited by the Chancellor. Of an academy. Of the Vatican. Centered in the Vatican.

"Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the academy's chancellor, said he arranged for Sanders' invitation"


The Pontifical Academy of Sciences (Italian: 'Pontificia accademia delle scienze', Latin: 'Pontificia Academia Scientiarum') is a scientific academy of the Vatican,


The Academy of Sciences, one of the Pontifical academies at the Vatican in Rome, is headquartered in the Casina Pio IV in the heart of the Vatican Gardens.



But not invited 'by the Vatican'...got it!

[SunSeeker]

63. Tell that to the Vatican, who said it didn't invite him. nt

[jmg257]

64. Tell that to the Chancellor, who did. The chancellor of a Vatican academy, centered at the Vatican.

How many Vaticans are there, anyway?

[SunSeeker]

79. The academy is not the Vatican. The Vatican said it didn't invite Sanders. nt

[jmg257]

85. AH - got it. Not "THE" Vatican, only by academy of/at/in the Vatican Thanks for clearing that up! n

[SunSeeker]

105. The Academy is an autonomous institution.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-vatican-conference-221708 

But the invitation was actually made by Bishop Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the pontifical academy, an autonomous institution that receives some funding from the Holy See but is not officially part of it. 


In a March 30 letter inviting Sanders to the event, Sánchez Sorondo wrote, "On behalf of the President, Professor Margaret Archer, the Organizers, and as Chancellor, I am very happy to invite you to attend the meeting on 'Centesimus Annus: 25 Years Later.' The meeting, which is humanitarian in its objects, will be held at the Casina Pio IV, the headquarters of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, from 15 to 16 April 2016." 


But Archer, an English academic, appears not to have known about the invitation. On Friday, she accused Sanders of “monumental discourtesy” for not contacting her, telling Bloomberg that he was the one who had made the first move regarding the meeting — and “for obvious reasons.” 


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/

bernie-sanders-vatican-conference-221708#ixzz45HQySWFO 
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

[jmg257]

66. HEY!! Maybe you'll get an invite to Hillary's fundraiser! Hopefully your credit card will work

better then "her" metro card!

#ImWith$$$

[Andy823]

77. You are fighting a losing battle

No matter what the facts prove, the Bernie gang will never admit he was wrong, it just isn't possible in their minds. Funny things is many of these so called supporters were the same ones who condemned anyone who defended President Obama and called them Obamabots, drones, following in lock step, unable to see the bad things about the president, and all kind of other stupid remarks. Now they "idolize" Bernie and will defend everything screw up he makes and deny the facts when they are so easy to find.

[frylock]

92. Recycling teabagger talking points, are we?

How much does it cost for Obama and his SS detail to play a round of golf?

[SunSeeker]

93. No, but you are. nt

[frylock]

95. Oh, okay.

[Octafish]

19. Disinformation. It adds falsehood to obscure truth.

Disinformationist. One who adds falsehood to obscure truth.

[dchill]

37. There's a new word in town!

Used to be just plain liar. Disinformationist is a term better applied to a more qualified and practiced prevaricator. The word deserves better.

[Betty Karlson]

20. You realise that the Vatican has confirmed they invited Sanders, right?

Camp Hillary's version of the event is being contested.

[kstewart33]

21. With Sachs' help.

So one of Bernie's advisors worked with the Vatican to get the invitation.

If Hillary's advisors had done so, this forum would have been outraged.

Bernie's had a bad week.

[jmg257]

22. Oh yeah - look at him drop in the polls! LOL!

Was Clinton even breathing yesterday? Didn't hear a peep about her...

Oh there was Bill vs BLM, and remains of the subway goofyness, and expensive dinners, but not a word about HER.

[Betty Karlson]

23. Yes, that double-digit win in Wisconsin was aweful.

So were the polls showing Clinton's lead in New York, Pennsylvania, and California: evaporating faster than Anita Bryant's welcome at a gay wedding.

And then there was Bill Clinton's strong performance in showing voters of colour what the Clintons are really about.

And just to top it off, Sanders was invited to a conference on poverty and the need to stop worshipping money, less than a year after Clinton's invitation for the pope to attend her foundation was flat-out refused.

"A very bad week."

[pangaia]

31. Don't waste your time with this guy. It's what he does.

All day long, day after day.

[KittyWampus]

44. You realize Sanders lied on national tv about the Pope, right?

[Betty Karlson]

111. Even if he did, his lie gap with Clinton would be several times bigger than the delegate gap. eom

[SunSeeker]

49. Actually, the Vatican confirmed it did not invite Sanders.

As reported in the NY Times:

The Sanders campaign made the announcement on Friday as the Vermont senator made the rounds on the morning television news shows. Mr. Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, said he would take a break from campaigning in New York, just days before the April 19 primary there, to attend a conference hosted by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, a scholarly association in Vatican City that was established by Pope John Paul II in 1994.

Mr. Sanders did not initially correct interviewers who suggested that he would meet with the pope, but he later clarified that he had not confirmed whether the two men would actually meet.

Further confusion about the trip bubbled up on Friday afternoon when the Vatican press office made clear that it had not issued the invitation, but that it had come from the academy. It said that there was no indication that Mr. Sanders would meet with Francis.

Meanwhile, Margaret Archer, the academy’s president, told Bloomberg News that Mr. Sanders had actively solicited the invitation for political purposes.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Ms. Archer said. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote, but this is not the Catholic vote, and he should remember that and act accordingly — not that he will.”

But hours later, Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, a senior papal official and the academy’s chancellor, denied that Mr. Sanders had invited himself to the event. He told Reuters that it was his idea to invite the senator.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-accepts-pope-franciss-invitation-to-travel-to-the-vatican/

[SunSeeker]

78. This isn't about the poor. This is about Sanders’ shameless pandering and lying to get votes. nt

[SunSeeker]

81. This is pandering. He is not helping the poor by lying that the Vatican invited him. nt

[eShirl]

84. You might want to check if that talking point's been updated yet, since it's been debunked.

[SunSeeker]

91. The NY Times did not issue a retraction. Got a link? nt

[rachacha]

24. You're getting really worked up about this Vatican trip

It's obviously a big honor for Bernie to be invited, regardless of whether he'll have an opportunity to talk with the pope.

Your feelings are understandable: Hillary wasn't invited, and we don't fully understand why. It just doesn't seem fair on the surface.

But here's what Sorondo said yesterday, which helps shed some light:

Archbishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the PASS, said he extended an invitation to Sanders because he seems to have a "real interest" in studying the papal documents issued by the pope. He did not issue invitations to the other presidential candidates.

"I don't see the other candidates quoting the pope in their campaign. I don't know if the other candidates are interested in the documents of the pope," he said.

So maybe next time if she expressed more interest?

[SunSeeker]

52. Hillary wasn't invited because because she didn't have an advisor push for an invite like Sanders.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=95939

[rachacha]

67. No, the quote from the Atlantic doesn't say that. Here it is.

The Atlantic: Bernie Heads to the Vatican

Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University professor who is presenting at the event, said in a phone interview that he helped the Vatican reach out to Bernie Sanders in March, and he doesn’t know why Archer alleged that the Sanders campaign initiated the gig. “The academy sent the invitation, it’s pure and simple,” he said. “A lot of people in the Vatican respect him a lot. He is speaking in the same kind of moral themes that Pope Francis, and the social teachings of the Church, promote, which is a moral economy.” A representative who works with Sachs also passed along an official invitation from Sanchez Sorondo to Sanders dated on March 30.

It seems pretty clear to me. Sorondo had the idea to invite Sanders (as he has stated), then he reached out through Sachs because he knew he knew Sanders.

I see you're interpreting the phrase "helped the Vatican reach out" as "asked the Vatican to reach out", but the actual quote from Sachs does not imply that.

[SunSeeker]

86. BS abvisor Jeffrey Sachs is a SPEAKER at this conference (unlike BS).

Here's a link to the program. Sanders is listed on the last page as a "participant." Sachs is featured as a speaker at the start.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1251&pid=1685957


You really don't think Sachs had anything to do with getting Sanders invited to his conference?

[rachacha]

96. Thanks for the link. My interpretation of the actual quotes

is that Sorondo reached out to Sanders through Sachs because he knew they were acquainted.

[SunSeeker]

97. I doubt Sorondo knew Sachs was Sanders’s foreign policy advisor.

Few Americans even know that.

[2pooped2pop]

25. Wow. Mountain-molehill

Camp Hillary jealous as hell and it shows. She invited the Pope to her foundation event and was declined. Feels like a Big Bern to me. Perhaps her invitation was on her email. She must have wiped it with a cloth. Have her check the cloud for it.

[pangaia]

30. Just look to whom you are responding.. Waste of time. LOL.

[frylock]

94. They are positively foaming at the mouth over this!

[hopeforchange2008]

26. You've established permanent residency in Denial.

All facts to the contrary, you still push this lie.

[redstateblues]

27. Will Bernie call out the Catholic Church for it's corruption?

[redwitch]

28. It is an honor to have been invited to this.

And you know it.

[revbones]

32. Yeah, so desperate to say Bernie lies like Hillary....

Since you're so hung up on misspeaking, how about when Hillary misspoke about Nancy Reagan's role with AIDS activism?

How about her blatant lie about being under sniper fire?

Maybe when publicly she told unions she'd fight the Colombia Free Trade Agreement, and had her released emails show she lobbied for it, secretly.

[AgingAmerican]

35. There is no 'gate' and no screwup

The whole obsession with the pope by Hillary partisans is beyond pathetic

[bigtree]

39. k&r

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#PopeGate

[whatchamacallit]

54. It's going be you having a quality of life only someone like you could have

Enjoy.

[DanTex]

59. LOL. Welcome to DU. I see you've hit the ground running!

[bigtree]

61. .

[Sheepshank]

106. How unfortunate. Nt

[stonecutter357]

68. K&R!

[stonecutter357]

74. K&R!

[Politicalboi]

82. LOL! Who cares

He's the best for us. I don't care if he goes or not. I would prefer him not to go. I'm an Atheist so I don't think religion is worth anyone's time. And especially to those who hide pedophiles. The Catholic church should already be a thing of the past if people really cared about children. But they'll be there tomorrow at the collection plate putting in some more money to buy defense attorneys for their filth.

[basselope]

83. LOL.

Watching the Clintonites try to spin out of this is cute.

[frylock]

88. Of course it is, because issues aren't your forte.

Enjoy your weekend flogging this, Dan. fap fap fap.

[Vinca]

98. I think you're just being sour grapes because Saint Hillary wasn't invited.

That's what happens when you're in bed with Wall Street and raking in $325,000 a couple at a fundraiser. The Pope isn't into greed.

[itsrobert]

101. And figure how to get there without any non-stop flights available

after the debate. No non-stops available after the debate. The 1 stop and 2 stops flights will take him 18 hours to get to the Rome airport. Plus another hour to get Vatican City.

Maybe CNN can just play video of his stump speeches when they ask him a question? That's all he does at the debate anyhow. That way he get onto a non-stop flight in time.

[DanTex]

103. What time does the debate end? That's an interesting point.

I assume there are plenty of nonstops from JFK or Newark to Rome, but yeah, if he's gotta leave really late, and there are non left, that complicates things.

[itsrobert]

104. CNN has it running until 11pm

so it ends the earliest at 10:30pm Eastern. Maybe he will take the subway to the airport? Does it go to the airport?

NYC subway service from Lower Manhattan or Brooklyn to JFK

Take MTA NYC Transit's "A" train going to Far Rockaway. MTA fare is $2.75 (cash or MetroCard), except for $3.00 when a single-ride ticket is purchased. An additional MetroCard fare of $5 is required to enter the AirTrain system. Disembark from the subway at the Howard Beach/JFK Airport Station. Follow the signs to AirTrain and swipe your AirTrain MetroCard to enter the system. Travel time via subway and AirTrain is approximately 60–75 minutes from Lower Manhattan to JFK. Travel time from Howard Beach Station to JFK is approximately 15 minutes.

I hope he doesn't try to pay in ChuckECheese Tokens.

[DanTex]

107. The subway goes to JFK, but it takes forever.

So when I look at expedia, the last departure I get is at 10:30, even with stops. Not sure how he's planning to swing this.

[itsrobert]

110. I found one for him on Ukraine Airlines

Fri, Apr 15

12:30 am – 5:20 pm
New York (JFK) – Kiev (KBP)
Ukraine 232 · Economy Class · Boeing 767
Below average legroom (29&quot
Overnight flight
9h 50m
No Wi-Fi
No in-seat power
Layover in Kiev KBP Overnight 16h 45m

10:05 am+1 – 12:00 pm+1
Kiev (KBP) – Rome (FCO)
Ukraine 305 · Economy Class · Boeing 737
Below average legroom (29&quot
Often delayed by 30+ min
2h 55m
No Wi-Fi
No in-seat power
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Only a 16 hour 45 min layover in Kiev.

[rusty fender]

108. Popegate, schmopegate

Not a big deal. Talk about making mountains out of molehills, sheesh

[B Calm]

109. Have you heard about Bill Clinton pointing and wagging his finger at the BLM movement?

[Lucinda]

115. I'm curious too. It is still an issue that Bernie cares about

and I'm glad he is going, but the timing is bad if he still thinks he has a shot at the nomination.

[imagine2015]

116. More mud slinging. That's all they've got now.