Bernie's "meeting with the Pope" is a Hail Mary pass. you only do that if you're down with seconds

[hill2016]

left. Do you think it will work?

[Trust Buster]

1. I'm Catholic and I'm offended that Sanders chooses to politicize my religion. JFK turning in grave.

[beam me up scottie]

5. I'm an atheist and I'm offended by your religion's politicizing of women's and lgbt rights.

When the Obamas and the Clintons met with the pope were you equally outraged?

[Trust Buster]

6. Then I would highly suggest that you don't travel to the Vatican. See how easy it is ?

[beam me up scottie]

9. Except their interference in the laws HERE affect MY rights.

See how easy that was?

[Trust Buster]

13. Sanders is traveling to the Vatican. He's not going their to take up your beef.

Do try to think in terms of something other than yourself. Your posts make no sense in the context of this thread. Thanks and have a nice day.

[beam me up scottie]

14. We were comparing offenses, yours doesn't trump mine.

My reproductive rights are not less important than your religion.

[Trust Buster]

17. Try to understand for once that this is not about you. I know that comes as a shock to you.

This is about Sanders using the heart of my religion to politically pander.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Not me: HUMAN rights which are under attack by the Church.

I don't need your permission to be offended by the way the Church uses its influence to campaign against human rights.

You'll have to get over it, I've been speaking out against religion and for our rights for over a decade here.

[Trust Buster]

20. You're helplessly off the thread topic. I'm done talking to you.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Not at all, the Church and its anti-women's and anti-lgbt rights stances is relevant.

Normally such discussions are relegated to the religion forum but I didn't bring it up.

[DebDoo]

24. This is about Hillary's supporters using the heart of your religion to attack a politician.

And I don't blame you for being upset. I am too

[beam me up scottie]

28. Nicely done!

[840high]

30. This Catholic agrees with you.

[fighting-irish]

25. I'm offended that you're offended.

Let's all be offended.

*SMH*

[GreatGazoo]

40. I have to ask sincerely, do you really think the Pope didn't have to sign off on the list

of invitees? Do you think some Cardinal just fessed up at the morning meeting like "oh by the way I kind of inserted the Vatican into the US Primaries at a key moment in the race. Hope you're cool with that."

The Vatican is knows what it is doing here. It may surprise conservative Catholics to see Sanders picked over others but this is a different Pope and he shares some goals with Sanders.

[Perogie]

52. As a Catholic are you offended

By Hillary's vote to continue to use cluster bombs and land mines that have been proven they kill innocent children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-rees/clinton-obama-and-cluster_b_84811.html

Or is Bernie going to the Vatican the greater sin?

[B Calm]

53. Seriously, how much sleep have you lost being offended? You know it's a sin to lie?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Does this look like a "Hail Mary" pass to you?

http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000153-f6c8-de5b-adf3-ffec5f1f0000

The stink of desperation is in the air but it's not coming from the Sanders campaign. Will you just relax about Sanders' Vatican invitation? Either he goes or he doesn't. I expect he'll go if he can, regardless of what the NY polls say, because economic justice is the most important issue for him. Whether he actually meets the Pope won't matter; that's not why he's going or why he was invited.

Now will you please tell us why you are so obsessed with this?

[DrDan]

7. You are correct - whether he actually meets the Pope is of no consequence

stating on national TV that he would be meeting the Pope does matter as we all know it is not true

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Will what work?

He's going to the Vatican. Why shouldn't he go?

Don't be so skeptical of everything he does.

[NCTraveler]

4. I don't think it's close enough for a Hail Mary.

It's all on Clinton at this point. If Clinton holds strong and minimizes crisis, it's a done deal independent of anything Sanders might do.

[TheBlackAdder]

16. It is all on Clinton. For whatever reason, the Vatican deemed her not deserving of an invite.

.


What a BASIC OP.


Sanders is damned if he goes and damned if he doesn't.


"How dare he turn down an invite from the Vatican, to possible meet the Pope!"


But, for some reason it's a "Hail Mary Pass" which requires a teammate to catch the ball. I guess the Vatican is in bed with him.



I am enjoying the neurotic adventures of some of the posters here, during the issue. It's above normal.


.

[geek tragedy]

8. If he names Aaron Rodgers as his VP pick, we'll know what's up nt

[Trust Buster]

10. Sanders, a Jewish man, couldn't travel to Washington D.C. to meet with AIPAC but

he can travel across the world to politically pander. As a Catholic, I'm greatly offended.

[beam me up scottie]

11. Now he's a bad Jew because he had a scheduling conflict?

[SDJay]

15. Yep. Those Jews Should Keep To Themselves

Nice antisemitism there. As a former Catholic, I think that post wreaks of bigotry and I'm greatly offended.

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. Is there anything that doesn't offend you?

Just sayin'..........

[TheFarS1de]

47. Why does his religious background even matter ?

When the Pope meets with Imams and Buddhist leaders does it offend you then ? That post speaks a great deal of what is wrong with the political discourse right now .

[Trust Buster]

48. The Vatican is the head of Catholiscism. You didn't know that ? Do you know who AIPAC is ?

[TheFarS1de]

49. Of couse I know it is .

What sort of deranged response is that ? The current Pope have been rather inclusive of different faiths so I fail to see your point , other than the obvious .

[Perogie]

54. You do know that Jesus was Jewish don't you?

[IamMab]

12. No chance. It looks bad to abandon his NY campaign for an Italy trip 4 days before the vote.

But I've noticed Bernie getting a lot of bad advice, and following it for some reason, in the recent weeks of the primary.

[840high]

31. How kind of you to worry about Bernie.

[jmg257]

50. Riiight. But flying to the Bay Area for photo ops & to pimp and hor with superrich Hollywood glams

looks wonderful!

[Nanjeanne]

18. Is there a limit to worthless OPs by the same person over & over? Too much time on your hands?

Go rally those Clintonites to donate more to Hillary so she doesn't have to rely on Fundraising so much and she can spend more time actually talking to real people.

[fighting-irish]

26. Nah, let her fundraise.

Her spending rate exceeded last month's take, from what I saw. 31m spent vs 22m takein. She'll be broke if she does not win the rest of April.

[TM99]

27. They got marching orders.

Keep up the 'discredit & disqualify' directives.

Do not waver from that goal. Stay focused on the prize, which sadly doesn't appear to be winning NY, but rather tearing down a decent man. But hey the Clintons are well know for their dirty political machine.

[Go Vols]

22. lol

[Jackilope]

29. I am most pleased and honored he was invited and is going.

I am sick and tired of politicians that use and take laborers and people of all races for granted. Speeches and sound bites that play ok, but it's the 250,000 speeches and assurances to the wealthy and the selling out of the laborers and people of all races that troubles me more.

Sanders has the courage to bring the ideas and judgement to fight for us and not be satisfied with crumbs as a compromise.

Petty fake concern about the Vatican meeting and knickers getting wadded up in a bunch over this instead of the incredible inequity here in the US is telling.

[840high]

32. .that^ X100

[beam me up scottie]

33. Bravo! Especially the last part!

[SmittynMo]

34. When I first found Bernie

I often referred to him as the "chosen one". No one could hold a candle to his proposed policies. To restore democracy in this great country!!! I was "all in". I had felt the Bern.

I now have conformation that I was right all along.

And the feeling just keeps getting stronger.

Note to self: I sure as hell don't see HRC or Trump being invited to the Vatican.

[noiretextatique]

35. He was invited to a conference, not a meeting with Pope

The rest is nonsense.

[Bobbie Jo]

36. "You're meeting with the Pope?"

"Yup."

[noiretextatique]

37. What are you going to harp about if he meets the Pope?

While at the conference? Yup...a very damning statement indeed.

[baldguy]

38. He lied about meeting the Pope

And that IS a big problem, because:

1) His supporters are completely oblivious, or completely buy-in to the hypocrisy he's displayed

And

2) He totally crumpled within hours when he was held to the same impossible standard of conduct that Hillary has been held to every day - and survived - for 30 yrs.

[hill2016]

41. I think you're right

...

[cyberswede]

39. Um...he was invited. Did the Vatican throw the pass?

[Amaril]

42. Jeebus

Get over it already. How many flipping posts is it going to take until you guys get it out of your system? It's verging on obsessive and becoming more than a little creepy.

::: off to delete another half dozen threads on this topic :::

[Marr]

43. It's been planned for months. So you're premise is incorrect. /nt

[Surya Gayatri]

44. Kick.

[robbedvoter]

45. PASS is actually the name of the organization he latched on

Pontifical Academy of Social Science (sorry, this atheist can't get science and pontifical in the same sentence). But, Hail Mary PASS

[jmg257]

46. It did work. Vatican though the ball, Sanders caught it. He'll be touching down in Rome while

Hill is trying to score with the Hollywood super-rich & glamorous at $353K a plate dinners.

[Gothmog]

51. Has the Pope learned from the Kim Davis' incident?

It will be interesting to see what happens but normally one does not take off multiple days before key primary

[yellowcanine]

55. A Hail Mary pass only works if the team is down by less than a touchdown.

So no it will not work if that is what it is.

Even so, I don't think Bernie is that cynical. I think he genuinely likes Pope Frances and thought this might be an opportunity to meet him. I don't think he thought about the potential political ramifications. That is good and bad. Good because it reflects a certain genuineness and bad because it reflects a certain political naivete.

[revmclaren]

56. Its hurting the vote for Sanders in my family

from some devout Non-Catholic Christians.... ie my cousins. No way in HELL (pardon the mythological reference since I am Pagan and believe in the TOTAL separation of church and state) will they vote for him now if he kisses up to the pope. Just the way it is.