I was almost going to vote for her

[timmymoff]

but like her husband who almost wanted to apologize, I decided I almost was going to vote for her if she won the nomination, but decided against it.

[TMontoya]

1. Good for you

Bye!

[iAZZZo]

10. "i almost apologized..."

[SwampG8r]

14. Is that prison at stone mountain the home

Of the 20th century kkk?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

16. Stone mountain is a city as well not just a mountain

But yes!

[SwampG8r]

18. Im embarrassed...

I was born in marietta lol

[In_The_Wind]

78. I've been gone so long I forgot there was a prison in Stone Mountain.

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[Jeffersons Ghost]

80. Barrack Obama did his best; but some idiots posting in this forum could still land in Gitmo

[SidDithers]

2. Sure you were...nt

Sid

[iAZZZo]

12. "I almost want to apologize for it"

bill

[Baitball Blogger]

17. What a horrible picture.

I'm sure it sent the msg he wanted to send for the times.

[iAZZZo]

22. exactly the message bill clinton desired, like he did in philadelphia

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[iAZZZo]

108. "I'm sure it sent the msg he wanted to send for the times."

sure did. the message that keeps on "giving..."

[Logical]

68. Your old grumpy pic was better for you. nt

[Nonhlanhla]

3. Thanks for almost telling us something relevant. nt.

[timmymoff]

5. Oh my vote is relevant

-1 in Illinois

[WhiteTara]

4. enjoy your stay

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. I thought you might find this interesting. Have a look:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=233981

[WhiteTara]

9. That is interesting

I wonder if his few first posts were Obama bashing.

[timmymoff]

11. Yes it is interesting

but alas I was kicked out of the Hillary group, wasn't right wing enough. I lurked for a long time, since about 2004 or so, finally got into discussing things, then lost interest with the right wing of the democratic party.

[Zira]

53. Just put the Hillarians on ignore. It turns it into a Liberal Democratic board that

is opposed to superpacs and the 1% running our country.

[demwing]

111. That's good advice

I regularly check the Hillary group for possible addition to my Ignore List. The lack of vitriol I have to wade through by following this process has made DU fun again!

[dchill]

63. +1 *snort*

[Zira]

50. 25% of Dem leaning voters say they refuse to vote for her no mater what.

What are you going to do, beat up all those independents who's votes we need to win a GE at all?

[kgnu_fan]

6. kick

[timmymoff]

8. Actually before bernie entered the race i was content with Hillary

Then America got to see an honest politician, it swayed me big time, big enough that I am no longer interested in supporting the oligarchy she represents. What a year will do for some.

[Silver_Witch]

13. Very nice.....

[840high]

23. Excellent.

[Zira]

55. +1

I almost left this board because I thought it was specifically a Hillary board when I got here.

I'm new.

[fighting-irish]

15. I was almost going to vote for her

if she almost won the nomination.

She hasn't yet.

[CentralCoaster]

19. The arrogance of that statement, by an entitled rich corrupt egomaniac, is just unbelievable.

However, I'm glad he came out and showed his colors.

[Tarc]

20. Wow

[athena]

21. I almost donated to Bernie.

In fact, I donated to him early in the campaign, before he turned me off with his sexism (which no one seems to care about around here).

Yesterday, though, I almost donated to Bernie, but I changed my mind and donated to Hillary instead.

[xloadiex]

24. That's ok

I donated to him yesterday so I guess it makes up for you. No big loss.

I love it when sexism gets tossed around because Bernie doesn't treat her differently, nor should he. I guess there should be exceptions made for her.

Please tell me how he has been sexist?

[athena]

25. He shows all the signs of a man who can't

listen respectfully while a woman who is more intelligent is speaking.

I've met the type before. They turn red, huff and puff, make hand motions, and interrupt. Then they turn around and accuse the woman they can't stand of interrupting.

Also, did you not hear him call Hillary "unqualified"? That's a dog whistle. Most women of a certain age (i.e., over 30) have heard it before and know exactly what it means.

[liberal_at_heart]

27. Wow. Just wow. The hand gestures are because of his heritage and where he grew up. You have a

problems with him being a Jew from New York? And his calling Hillary unqualified came in defense of her campaign saying they were going to disqualify and destroy his campaign after she lost WI. I have a question about that actually. Hillary is being investigated by the FBI and she is going to disqualify him? Okay.

[athena]

30. That's anti-semitic.

I'm sorry, but I do not believe that all Jewish people from New York use hand gestures. We are all human. We are all capable of controlling our behavior. Just as Obama managed to lose his Hawaiian accent, Sanders could have managed to stand still and listen respectfully while Hillary spoke. The fact that he can't shows that he can't control his feelings about having to listen to an intelligent woman speak.

Wishful thinking about the FBI, by the way.

[liberal_at_heart]

32. I had a feeling you would be going on my ignore list. Good bye.

[athena]

34. Can't respond to my point, can you?

First, you make an anti-semitic argument, and then when I point that out, you put me on Ignore. Kind of amusing, really.

[Surya Gayatri]

89. First they swarm you, then they insult you, finally they ignore you.

Ususal MO.

[beedle]

49. Wow!!

So you don't believe that anyone should show regional characteristics? That if you have some kind of accent, say a Bronx accent, or an Hawaiian accent, the proper way to show that you're a true American patriot is to talk with an accent that YOU think is normal?

FYI: Obama still has an accent, everyone has an accent. The self unawareness is stunning.

[athena]

52. He's a politician.

Politicians are supposed to be able to control themselves. Self-control is one of the most important characteristics for the person who will be conducting diplomacy with the leaders of countries like Russia, North Korea, and Iran.

Moreover, even someone who makes hand gestures while he speaks does not normally wave his hands while someone else is speaking.

You know nothing about me. Nothing whatsoever. That you would accuse someone like me of being self-unaware is extremely funny. Really, I'm almost rolling on the floor laughing.

[beedle]

58. Do you know how many video I could post of Hillary losing control?

Like I said ... unaware.

Go home and practice your "American without an accent" accent.

[TM99]

76. Really?

So Hillary Clinton should not have gone off on a GreenPeace activist calling her a lying Sanders supporter then, right?

Y'all are so full of hypocritical bullshit. We know enough watching you spin, lie, and smear.

[xloadiex]

37. It sounds to me

like you're sexist against men. More intelligent? That's a laugh. Says who? More sneaky, conniving, and power hungry, yes.

I guess it was ok for Obama to call her Annie Oakley. You would be clutching your pearls until you choked if Bernie had said that.

If you say Bernie huffs and puffs that's ok, but If I say she screeches to a point where I want to cover my ears I guess that's sexist and I'm a woman. Maybe it's her "tone" that gets to me.

Don't bother responding. I won't see it.

[noiretextatique]

39. Or, just making shit up

If Sanders was a sexist, we would all know abour it by now. There would have been a million articles and a zillion posts here.

[noiretextatique]

38. Is there any woman who has actually worked with Sanders

Who claims he is a sexist? If so, there would be a thousand threads about it here. And aren't you excusing Clinton for actually interupting and talking over Sanders?

[IdaBriggs]

41. "a woman who is more intelligent" - unbelievable.

[polly7]

51. I've known a lot of women who thought they were more intelligent than me

(and they could have been, I don't know or care) but that certainly doesn't mean I ever thought I should 'listen respectfully' when it was lies and blabber coming out of their mouths or when they were trying to cut off what I had a right to say. Why should anyone?

I'd also highly question the 'more intelligent' thing, based on her history of causing suffering for so many millions, getting advice from war-criminals, etc ...... but that's jmho. Sanders is an extremely intelligent, empathetic and compassionate man so ok, I guess I can understand the need to cut him off and steal his speaking time.

[athena]

54. So you admit Bernie would be incapable of standing still

while someone like Putin or Kim Jong Un was speaking.

Interesting.

By the way, it is not Hillary who thinks she's more intelligent than you. It is I (and many others) who can see that she's clearly much more intelligent than Bernie. It's interesting that Bernie supporters seem to think Bernie is more intelligent. Really interesting.

[polly7]

59. So ........ you make up stupid bullshit and attribute it to me admitting it?

Crazy shit here today.

And no ........... her history of ruining lives shows me she is NOT more intelligent than many, many people, including most of all, Sanders.

[Fawke Em]

83. She's not more intelligent.

[Surya Gayatri]

86. I call it his "petulant purpleness"--more than red, it looks almost apoplectic.

So angry and aggressive looking.

[liberal_at_heart]

29. I've donated to him twice already this month. Thinking about donating again today.

[liberal_at_heart]

26. I see you have an Obama avatar. The 2008 primary was just as nasty as this one. Do you think

Obama was sexist in his treatment towards Hillary? How about Hillary's campaign? Was her campaign at all racist towards Obama's campaign? How about this campaign? Is Hillary's campaign being racist in her assessment of all non Southern states as being white?

[athena]

28. Thanks for bringing this up. Obama was not sexist. If he had been, I would have supported Hillary.

Neither party in 2008 was as nasty as the Bernie campaign is in 2016. Obama was able to avoid making facial expressions or hand gestures, or interrupting, while Hillary spoke. He came across as a gentleman, and he has said this about Hillary:

"She was a formidable candidate in 2008. She was a great supporter of mine in the general election. She was an outstanding secretary of state. She is my friend. I think she would be an excellent president,"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-hillary-clinton-excellent-president/story?id=30252247

Hillary never said anything about non-Southern states. Some of us Hillary supporters have dared to point out that Sanders is not winning the Black vote, which is essential to win the general election. But Bernie supporters seem to think that Black people can be counted on to vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee. I disagree. We can't take the Black vote for granted. And there is nothing remotely racist about that.

[liberal_at_heart]

31. Think whatever you like. I am a woman and don't think Bernie is being sexist. Neither does my

daughter. We are both caucusing for him next weekend.

[athena]

35. Being a woman does not make one non-sexist by definition.

We are all sexist, by virtue of having been raised and lived our lives in a sexist society. Some of us realize this and question ourselves constantly to make sure we're not sexist or racist or otherwise discriminatory. Others assume that they are perfect by definition.

If you can't recognize Bernie's sexism, you must not have experienced the kinds of sexism I have experienced. Count yourself lucky.

[noiretextatique]

40. There is no proof of Bernie being a sexist, only your accusation

That just your opinion, and as a woman I do not share it., Disagreeing with your opinion doesn't make me a sexist either.

[Amaril]

87. You mean......

......like Gloria Steinem when she said that the only reason young women are supporting Sanders is to meet boys?

[Fuddnik]

105. Everybody knows Gloria Steinem is a sexist!

In case it was needed.

[Contrary1]

57. And Hillary supporters seem to think that everyone who is Democrat can be counted on to vote for her

That's essential to win the general also.

Neither outcome is likely.

[athena]

61. We do not think any such thing.

If we did, we would be ignoring Bernie supporters and Bernie's tactics. Instead, we find them deeply disturbing.

It's clear that Bernie's campaign is hurting Hillary's chances in November. I doubt very much that Bernie's supporters, many of whom can't even be bothered to vote for other Democrats along with Bernie, will vote for Hillary in November.

Anyone who uses right-wing smear tactics to attack Hillary is helping the Republican party. There is no denying that.

[Contrary1]

64. Nah, we've been told repeatedly that Hillary can beat any Republican...

with or without the Sanders supporters, so you got nothing to worry about.

[MFM008]

81. So how is a democrat NOT WINNING

a good thing???? Are some of you so blinded by political correctness you wouldn't vote against the republicans.
I dont like Mr. Sanders but I will vote for him if he is the nominee. What the hell is wrong with some people in here?
That the republicans look like a better alternative??????????????????

[Contrary1]

85. Who said it was a good thing?

It's that math you guys like to talk about.

[Loudestlib]

65. "donated to Hillary instead" So you're the guy.

I knew she had to have a least one non-corporate donor.

[Logical]

69. Yes, us bernie fans hate hillary but love Warren. weird she is a woman also. Nice try though. nt

[athena]

71. Warren is not running.

It's easy to love a woman who is not challenging the status quo.

[Logical]

74. A hard to love one who is a right leaning dem. Nt

[senz]

100. Elizabeth Warren challenges the status quo constantly.

One of the biggest reasons why I love her.

[notadmblnd]

104. And that's why you Hill Shills love HRC

She won't challange the status quo. And we love Senator Sanders because he does.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

94. We have your part more than covered, thanks.

[Trust Buster]

33. No you weren't.

[Bleacher Creature]

36. We get it. Bernie or bust.

We all know the drill (or more precisely, the threat). If your preferred candidate doesn't win, everyone else gets to suffer with at least four years of Trump or Cruz.

Thanks for reminding everyone how this works.

[IdaBriggs]

42. Yes. So if you want to save the world from Trump and Cruz...

You'd better jump on board with OUR CANDIDATE because we aren't jumping to yours.

You want to save the world from Trump and Cruz, right?

What choice do you have? Do the honorable thing, and come join the Bernie side.

[timmymoff]

43. If you were seeking a reminder

all you had to do was look back at how the democrats have performed the last thirty years. If you honestly do that you will understand while I am attempting to change things on a local level, I won't be complicit of continuing he same failed policies and strategies of the third way. I am not really against Hillary, but more her owners and donors(which are often one in the same).

[KingFlorez]

44. I never considered Sanders

But I did give him the benefit of the doubt, until I saw his essays and I lost what little respect I had for him.

[timmymoff]

45. You aren't required to like him

[KingFlorez]

46. Oh, I know that

And I sure has heck do not like him.

[timmymoff]

47. Because he upset the planned coronation?

[KingFlorez]

48. No, because I learned some very ugly things about him

That essay was scary.

[revbones]

60. I'm doubting you actually read it. I did and disagree completely with your take. nt

[KingFlorez]

66. I read it

It's not my cup of tea, not even remotely, but to each his own.

[revbones]

70. Sure. Obviously if you think that's worse than the blood on Hillary's hands

then your statement "to each his own" is very apropos.

[KingFlorez]

72. He voted to approve her as Secretary of State and he voted to fund the war

I'm not going to continue to argue with you, so I'll just leave you with that.

[revbones]

73. So the vote for the Iraq War is ok, because Obama also did it?

When exactly is this defense ever legitimate?

"Yeah, sure you killed a few people, but so did that other guy." Does that make sense?

[cui bono]

84. Voting to fund a war in progress is supporting the troops and not leaving them high and dry.

Or is that what you think he should do?

.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

92. funding our troops actually.

[timmymoff]

67. Some would say wars are scary and should be avoided

but one of those wouldn't be the candidate you support. Some would even call such wars ugly, but rarely a Hillary supporter would otherwise they wouldn't vote the way they do. I'm not even attempting to sway you, I'm speaking for me. Some would say this long period of stagnant wages is scary and ugly. But not Hillary, she gave up the fight for lower wage workers before it started. I don't need anyone supporting Hillary questioning my vote or lack thereof, when they won't take an honest truthful look at the direction the party has headed for thirty years.

[LAS14]

56. Thanks for risking a Republican presidency. I hope...

... it makes you feel awfully good, because it's a huge price to pay.

[timmymoff]

62. Thank you for voting for a conservative candidate

that parrots quite a few of the same things they do. I'm not against Hillary nearly as much as I oppose her owners.

[delrem]

79. A huge price to pay is voting for someone already responsible for over a million Arab deaths,

resulting directly from her war profiteering ways.
She and her war profiteering backers have to be stopped.
Period.

[VulgarPoet]

82. As far as war profiteers go

Who does it matter where our vote goes if it comes down to Hillary and a Republican? We're going to war anyway. I'm gonna get to watch people I went to tech school with, people I went through basic with show up on obit logs. And it will be entirely the fault of the Third Way. Again.

[Surya Gayatri]

88. For your edification, as you're still obviously suffering under a widely-disseminated delusion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1692120

Bernie Admits Hillary NOT Accountable for Iraq Deaths, Attacking Her Is ‘Tit for Tat’

[DisgustipatedinCA]

97. It's generous of Bernie to say so, but he doesn't form opinions for the rest of us.

Hillary Clinton voted for a war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. She bears some responsibility for this--it's what she wanted, so she voted for it, while millions (yes, literally millions) of us were in the street because we knew this war was a sham. Not even the Clinton campaign can spin those very basic facts.

I'm not sure what sort of authoritarian mindset you come from that makes you believe that one's preferred candidate controls the thoughts and words of their supporters. But that's not how it works here.

[delrem]

107. Hillary is responsible for her vote, and her very positive (in favor) speech before the vote,

so she's responsible for not just her vote but also for how she went out of her way to influence the Democratic party and fellow senators. Yes, she wielded influence! Her husband was POTUS, she was already being touted as a prospective POTUS in waiting, and nobody with any credibility can deny that her words had and have power in the Democratic party establishment.

In '08, even after half a million Iraqi innocents were slaughtered, their electrical and water grid bombed out of existence and their cities turned into burnt out husks, while millions more were fleeing or had already fled to points unknown as refugees with nothing but the clothes on their backs and their families in tow, while those families left behind had nowhere to turn for medical assistance and had to live with the sheer terror of seeing the tortured remains of bodies turning up daily on streets, with survivors looking for their loved ones in the lines of dead at makeshift morgues. After a torture regime that's still unknown in scope but included gitmo and abu ghraib, and for which nobody was held to account, Hillary said this:

"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America.”

Then she went on to assume power as SoS after Pres. Obama appointed her, and she followed her neocon advisers to totally destroy Libya. Her work secured the massive Libyan oilfields for the US and disregarded the rest, it being too insignificant to bother with. That's how much those lives mattered to her. She was more concerned with following her neocon advisers in setting up a "Friends of Syria" network of mercenary thugs to begin a war to effect regime change in Syria. Which is the situation that Obama has been trying to extricate the US from ever since.

You can say anything you want about how Hillary Clinton is innocent of all that because you've got some quotation from someone who says so. But you aren't speaking the truth.

Do you have any idea how many 1,000,000 deaths is, and what it means in terms of total devastation and desolation for the survivors?

[Marr]

110. This may be hard for Hillary supporters to understand, but

everyone doesn't just adopt the opinions of their candidate.

I think Clinton is more to blame for the Iraq war than is the average Republican in Congress. They were just one more voice in a right-wing crowd-- she helped sell that fraud to the other side of the aisle.

[Jitter65]

75. Sure. Whatever her husband does it's her fault. Tell me again how sexism is not at play here.?

[delrem]

77. Her husband was POTUS. She was part of his deal.

She always has been. They sold themselves as two for the price of one.
Her family Foundation is set up in both names.
Her daughter is out campaigning for her, along with her husband, and her daughter works to head the family foundation to the tune of something like $600,000/yr. Plus speaking fees, of course.
They share a joint account.
They consult together, as normal spouses do.

Don't you tell us that making note of these things, which are normal in marriages, is somehow "sexist".
That's just crazy talk.

[timmymoff]

91. lol the sexist card

Hillary uses it every chance she gets. " we can shout all we want about guns but it wont get us anywhere" Bernie Sanders. "Some people think it is shouting when a woman says it" Hillary Clinton. Stop your crocodile tears of her being mistreated by sexism, she uses it every chance she gets, but there is one example .

[Surya Gayatri]

90. Nah, you're just joshin' us there...come on, admit it.

You're just takin' the Mickey, as the Brits would say.

Good one, though!

[cwydro]

93. Silly. nt

[timmymoff]

95. Yes, she almost convinced me she was actually a democrat.

Then I checked her record. To the right of Rockefeller republicans. Looks like they want to lose more voters than they gain. good luck with that strategy.

[cwydro]

96. Keep trying darlin'. nt

[Attorney in Texas]

98. She challenges my party loyalty, but I'd vote for Nixon over Goldwater so I'd vote Hillary if worse

comes to worst just to keep Cruz or Trump from office.

[Avalon Sparks]

99. Yup

[senz]

101. timmymoff, are you aware

that the admins can ban you for saying that you won't support the Democrat who wins the nomination? Did you know that there are some very unsavory types who pleasure their miserable existences by making lists of those who have said it so they can get them kicked out if a certain candidate is nominated?

That's what all these strange "bye" and "hope you enjoyed your stay" comments are referring to (not saying that any of them are among the list makers.)

So the question is: do you like posting on DU? Will you enjoy doing so in the future? If so, your best bet would be to delete your OP.

I'm telling you this because everything you say makes sense to me and I think you should stick around. I don't know why anyone else hasn't told you about this.

[timmymoff]

109. It was my understanding that I am free to speak

until the nomination is decided. I lurked for ten years I'm guessing without posting, so if they ban me, oh well, that speaks of them not me. They would just be proving my points that they are unwilling to examine the record of Secretary Clinton.

[KPN]

106. Hahaha!

Good one!