2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow did HRC gain such a big lead in delegates in southern states?
I feel you all have answered this before, but I am unaware how she got such a jump by campaigning in southern states.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)She's a moderate and the Southern white democrats are comfortable with that, and the AA community supports her for their own reasons. I won't speak to that except I've seem comments that the AA community was upset Sanders suggested Obama be primaried in 2012, that she understands the south better than Sanders. and endorsements from civil rights leaders like Lewis helped her cause. She's also got a better Southern dialect than Sanders which she brings out on occasion down there.
Broward
(1,976 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)"Low information" to make educated and informed choices, right?
Broward
(1,976 posts)Whether it's believing Hillary's lies or the failure of the MSM, many are either uninformed or misinformed.
mcar
(42,372 posts)and I was proud to vote for Hillary in FL's primary. I dare say many of my fellow Democrats in the south are equally well informed. Unless you can point to some actual proof otherwise, I stand by my contention.
Broward
(1,976 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)BainsBane
(53,055 posts)but she also won whites in Southern states. Bernie hasn't been able to attract support there.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)by overall state population, not just democratic voters. They do "scale" it by whether or not they went for the last POTUS, but I think it still gives more delegates per voter in red states.
(I could be incorrect, but I think this is basically the issue)
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)What else?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Which she did by winning the African American vote. Big. By huge blowout margins.
Vinca
(50,302 posts)So you have the most famous woman in the world vs. an unknown Vermont senator. It makes you wonder why Hillary hasn't been able to wrap this up.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Sanders isn't winning because he's never been able to put together enough of a coalition in the Democratic primaries to win. He's relying on young voters and independents. There are enough of those to make it a race, but not enough to push him over the top at this point.
It's not about how known he was at the start of the race. It's about where his support is.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I don't know if you remember how he was cited as the next Democratic Star before he was even elected to the Senate.
For Clinton his only cardinal sin was jumping the cue by not waiting his turn after her turn in 2008.
Vinca
(50,302 posts)at the 2004 Democratic Convention. I don't know how many people I've talked to who have said that when they watched that speech they were certain they were watching a person who would be POTUS one day.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Lawsuits.
Bayard
(22,128 posts)I don't get this either. Did she get all the delegates in those states? But now they each get half?
Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)So, Sanders still walked away with 9 delegates in Alabama, for example, even though he got under 20% of the vote.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Seriously, what the fresh hell is going on? She won those states by ENORMOUS margins. It's wasn't that bloody long ago.
Do keep up.
Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)As evidenced by the explanation given.
morningglory
(2,336 posts)Recuperating.
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)Bayard
(22,128 posts)So bite me.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Response to morningglory (Original post)
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NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)As I am not as perspicacious as some of my fellow denizens of this board could you please elaborate on your observation.
My inference from what you wrote is that a certain group of people would vote for a woman simply because her husband plays an instrument.
And if my inference is correct what does that say about what you think about that group?
Thank you in advance.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)The Clintons have bamboozled African Americans into thinking they are their pals, while their policies have actually hurt the community. From slashing welfare programs to increased detention and cozying up with the private prison complex, the Clintons have not been a friend to African Americans.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Why would you assign a paucity of intellectual acuity to an entire group while arrogating an abundance of it to yourself?
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Given that ...
You seem to believe you get it. They don't. Obviously you see some kind of failing on their part. After all, you suggested the mere playing of an instrument is enough to win their allegiance. Do you believe this intellectual failing is genetic or environmental or some combination of the two?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and that all it takes to get their vote is some dumb pandering?
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)So I guess they are falling for the accent and the act.
Why else does the AA community support the Clintons more than Sanders?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)P.S you are being grotesquely insulting to black voters. Not going to engage with you further, other than to say people such as yourself probably cost Sanders votes in the black community
Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)including in some very large, delegate-rich states, like FL, TX, and GA.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)but she also has concentrated on winning delegates; something she learned from Obama. She had more votes than Obama in 2008 in the primary, but fewer delegates.
Right now, she has more votes, more delegates, and more endorsements than Bernie. If there was a mercy rule in politics they would call off this primary.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...not surprising you missed this, brushing past those stunning victories.
There is a sizable contingent of voters in the South whose solidarity behind Hillary Clinton more resembles a movement than any other group of voters in this primary.
That popular relationship she has with the black community in the South and elsewhere has advantaged her campaign of a dependable and solid mass of votes, especially in southern region because of a polarization of voters and the huge majority of registered blacks in many of the southern states.
Sahil Kapur ?@sahilkapur 18h18 hours ago
Sanders again says he lost in the south because its conservative. Not reallyhe lost because there are a lot of black voters there.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)She got a jump on everyone, not just Sanders.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)riversedge
(70,283 posts)dsc
(52,166 posts)and the south has some very, very Democratic districts. AL has one Democratic district it is plus 20. Arkansas has no Democratic districts. FL has 10 ranging from plus 3 to plus 33, GA has 4 plus 6, plus 16, plus 21 and plus 32. LA 1 district plus 23. MS 1 district plus13. NC 3 districts plus 19, 20, and 26. SC 1 district plus 21. TN 2 districts plus 5 and plus 25. TX 11 districts ranging from plus 5 to plus 27. VA 4 districts plus 8, 10, 15, and 16. All of those massively Democratic districts get more delegates than the typical district and many of them are majority black or hispanic meaning she tended to do well in them. Bernie only did well in a few of those districts and even then he didn't win them by anything like the margins Hillary had in the ones she won. In short, she earned those delegates by appealing to some of the most stalwart voters in our party and doing so effectively.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)It's fairly simple.