Hillary Clinton: "I remember landing under sniper fire."

[revbones]

Since "lies" have come up a lot lately, let's talk about some of Hillary's. One of the most egregious ones was when she said "I remember landing under sniper fire." for no reason. Later video was found proving she had egregiously lied by showing her at a rather peaceful greeting ceremony.

She later said "You know, I uh, made a mistake in describing it." Obama commented on this particular instance saying her remarks were "All part of a pattern..."

Even later she said "You know, gosh, lighten up guys. I mean, obviously. Come on. [laughing] I say millions of words every week..."

Got a hide earlier for mentioning this. I'm assuming since we're all so interested in "lies" being told by candidates, that Hillary's are quite relevant since they speak to her character. I'm sure some will think that saying she was under sniper fire is somehow equivalent to not correcting an interviewer when they conflated the Pope with the Vatican in regards to Bernie's invitation.

Enjoy.



Note to jurors: The source is AP (Associated Press). It is not a right-wing source. This is also video of Hillary herself saying she was under sniper fire, not someone repeating it.

[DanTex]

1. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511690900

[SidDithers]

3. Nailed it...

They're getting more and more desperate.

Sid

[revbones]

8. Awww... what's the matter? Can't dispute facts? nt

[SidDithers]

10. The facts are that Sanders is way behind...

and isn't going to catch up.

Sid

[revbones]

11. Didn't think you could. If she'll lie about being under sniper fire, what else might she lie about?

[SidDithers]

17. I don't have to...

Clinton will win the primary, regardless of what the Bernie or Busters throw out there.

Bernie lost.

Let that sink in.

Sid

[revbones]

19. So you admit she lied. Good. nt

[SidDithers]

22. No. LOL...

I admit I don't have to engage, because Bernie has already lost.

The primary is over. It was over on March 15.



Sid

[libtodeath]

25. Pathetic

But you are loved at the anti DU sites so all is good for you I guess.

[JTFrog]

30. Sid is loved here because he is not a resurrected troll who spends his time trashing Democrats.

The OP, however, is attracting lots of negative attention. His efforts to undermine at least one of our candidates has not gone unnoticed.

[libtodeath]

32. Just a favorite at repuke sites so guess as long as a Hillary supporter it is all good.

[JTFrog]

35. Only in the sense that right wingers always attack DUers. And then there are folks like the OP

who use those right wingers as sources to attack Democrats. One of these posters just doesn't belong. And it's not the one the right wingers make fun of.

[libtodeath]

38. How about the one they celebrate?

[revbones]

40. So Hillary and her own words are right-wing sources? rofl Nice! nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

44. Documentation, please.

[revbones]

26. OK. Well by your inability to answer, I think anyone reading this knows...

that you can't answer to it with anything more than a dodge. Thanks though!

[SidDithers]

27. ...

Sid

[revbones]

28. You only make yourself look worse by your inability to actually support your claims. nt

[SidDithers]

33. You might have a point, if I gave a single fuck about how I looked...

Sid

[revbones]

39. My assumption is that your comment applies to a lot of Hillary followers. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

43. ^^^THIS ONE CHANGES THE SUBJECT WHEN HE HAS NO ANSWER^^^

[DisgustipatedinCA]

41. Nailed it by changing the subject immediately and running away? I think not, Sidney.

Further, he links to his own words, which are worth about as much as...well, he's going to need to provide some documentation for his claims, and that will need to happen in another thread. Let me know if you need more help.

[Katashi_itto]

74. Poor Dithers...

[Bonobo]

4. The truth is a smear?

the Iraqis were given the greatest gift that one human can give to another human -the gift of freedom"

signed Hillary Clinton

[revbones]

5. Like I said,some seem to want to talk about lying. Let's talk about worse lies...

Not correcting an interviewer who conflated the Pope with the Vatican in a question - and then correctly stating things later, OR much bigger lies like being under sniper fire, telling unions they'd fight something but then secretly lobbying for it, etc...

But I guess if it happened already, Hillary followers don't care.

[revbones]

24. So you're saying that a lie isn't a lie anymore after a certain period of time? Is that it? nt

[bvf]

31. Kind of hard to stuff that one into the memory hole,

but fuck knows, that doesn't stop them from trying.

[Logical]

48. #DanBeingDan

[Perogie]

76. Didn't know there was an expiration date on lies

So I guess you're good with Nixon.

[Chan790]

81. Honestly Dan.

I don't care what we have to do to destroy Hillary's candidacy as long as it destroys Hillary's candidacy. There's no reason to coy-foot around that...the goal is to end Hillary politically forever for some of us.

It is an admirable objective in its own right. She needs to go away.

[merrily]

2. The Clintons have a complicated relationship with accuracy.

[pdsimdars]

49. Nicely put. . . . you must be a politician. . .

[merrily]

56. Nope, just an exprienced DUer.

[pdsimdars]

68. Much better with the words than I am

[merrily]

69. You're fine with words. I remember because I recently juried one of your posts.

Usually, I'm not wonderful at associating a screen name with post content.

[thesquanderer]

71. Yes. And while Bernie won't throw stuff like this at her...

...does anyone think the Republicans won't?

Hillary supporters often say that Bernie only does so well in general matchup polls because he hasn't been sufficiently vetted. But there is tons of stuff they'll use against Hillary that Bernie won't. It's not just the new stuff like the emails or the Clinton Foundation questions, it's old stuff like this.

Honestly, I think they could do a commercial just on the Bosnia fire incident, and it would probably take her down.

[merrily]

73. The Republicans will use everything.

I have to laugh at claims that she's been vetted. When she was First Lady of Arkansas and FLOTUS, her husband was vetted: she wasn't. Obama and Bernie never took off their gloves.

[nc4bo]

6. Good Lord that must have been horrifying!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt

[Broward]

7. Thanks for your persistence. Don't let the right-wingers on this board keep you down.

[Karmadillo]

9. Truth is for the Little People

[tk2kewl]

12. she lies joyously

[pdsimdars]

50. I love this one, I saw it last week too. Man, people have talent.

I like where they say "as she landed her jumbo jet . . ."

[azmom]

70. OMG That's funny. Nt

[Land of Enchantment]

79. Can we have some more, please? nt

[basselope]

13. People seem to fail understand the definition of a "lie".

It is all in the INTENT. You have to INTEND to deceive.

If you got an invitation to the White House, you would probably tell your friends "Holy shit, I'm going to meet the President". After all you are being invited to his house.

If you get an invitation to the Vatican, you can very very reasonable believe, "Holy Guacamole, I'm going to meet the Pope". Again, you are being invited to his house.

It is also somewhat ridiculous to believe that the pope will not be attending these speeches, since it is his signature topic. It is also somewhat ridiculous to believe that the pope will not meet the speakers.

No one has claimed a long term, one on one conversation in which policy and the future of papal cannon will be decided. However, there is almost no doubt that the pope will meet Senator Sanders.

[revbones]

16. ^^ Perfect Explanation ^^

[SheilaT]

57. Since she repeated it more than once, even after

it was pointed out there was no sniper fire, I think those subsequent retellings do fit the definition of "lie".

Then there was something she said awhile back about brokering some peace deal which a UN spokesman said was absolutely not true. Can't recall the specific details of that one and don't feel like trying to research it.

[edgineered]

14. Millions of words every week?

Even later she said "You know, gosh, lighten up guys. I mean, obviously. Come on. I say millions of words every week..."

Being so many here love to talk about the math:

2,000,000 / 7 days = 285,714 words per day

285,714 / 24 hours = 11,904 words per hour

11,904 / 60 minutes = 198 words per minute

and 198 words per minute = 3.3 words per second

So, the math does make it possible if one never sleeps, never shuts up, and never listens.

[bvf]

36. Love it.

Remember this guy? She would talk circles around him.

https://m.

[tabasco]

18. Similar to republicans, the "win at all costs" kind. n/t

[pdsimdars]

51. Along with the cheating to win because you can't win on your policies.

[hobbit709]

20. Truman's description of Nixon's lying could easily be used to describe her.

[amborin]

21. more here:

notice to jurors: this is from a legitimate source, it is not right wing, and it has been posted without problems on DU

[pdsimdars]

60. One of the most troubling things is how easliy lying comes to her

She can look you right in the eye and lie with such conviction.
Honest people can't do that.

[Roaberner]

23. Brian Williams lost job for similar claims...

Hillary.. Even my sixth grade children notice your lies. You are Disqualified to receive my vote.

[nichomachus]

29. And that was just in the subway nt

[libtodeath]

34. How anyone can defend this is sickening

[PWPippin]

37. Please remember that Hillary herself said that she tries not to lie

. . . and she believes she has never lied. That she "has always tried to tell the truth". I think she believes her own lies and no longer can tell truth from lies. Telling the truth takes no effort. Lying is a conscious decision for most of us. It's sad by itself and sadder for the rest of us should she be elected.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hillary-clinton-i-dont-believe-i-ever-have-liedP

[pdsimdars]

61. Or maybe, like her husband, she ALMOST wanted to tell the truth.

[revbones]

42. The dodging of what this OP and video bring up are pretty hillarious

According to Hillary followers:

Apparently lies don't count once they reach a certain age. 1st comment.

Apparently lies don't count if Hillary is ahead in some metric or another. Reply #8

Apparently using video of Hillary lying is using a right-wing source. Reply #32

[libtodeath]

45. Dont forget that a president trump or cruz cant possibly happen no matter what.

[revbones]

46. I'm not sure I understand your point.

Are you saying that's another of their excuses?

[libtodeath]

47. Yes,that none of her baggage matters because November is a lock

like it was in 1980,2000,2004. /sarcasm

[Nanjeanne]

54. Yes - there's a statute of limitations on lies. Didn't you know that?

[Lizzie Poppet]

59. I can't see any of the replies you cite.

Not surprising, given how many of Princess Weathervane's unquestioning acolytes have even a basic idea of how to act.

[pdsimdars]

62. Do you have people on "ignore"?

I often can't see replies because I have so many on ignore.

[Lizzie Poppet]

63. Yep, that was my point.

My Ignore list went from five to almost a hundred in a couple-three months on GD: P...and I've tried removing at least a dozen (although some found their way right back on).

[Blue_Adept]

52. She had to distract why she was there (hiding vince fosters body, after all)

[arcane1]

53. Her worst lie: Saddam's WMDs and al Qaeda links are a threat to the US and invasion is necessary.

We are still paying the price for that whopper.

[NewImproved Deal]

55. Not just an obvious Lie...

But a stupid and easily-refuted Lie. America can do better than the Clinton Machine...

[TheDormouse]

58. Yes, is the candidate basically honest, or hypocritical? nt

[Beacool]

64. Guess what?

All the drudging of old videos and efforts to disparage Hillary mean an iota in the long run. Hillary will be the nominee for the simple reason that more Democrats are voting for her than for Sanders.

Ain't democracy grand?

[revbones]

65. So it's ok with you if she's a liar then? Got it.

How is using her own words an attempt to "disparage her"?

[Beacool]

66. I have zero interest in going over the Bosnia nonsense again.

You vote for the candidate you prefer and I will vote for the one I think is the best qualified to do the job of president.

[revbones]

67. So her explicit lies are just nonsense and you'll vote for a liar? Ok, got it.

That's a bit odd. Does a lie have a statute of limitations? Is that what you're saying?

You were obviously interested enough to try to post here, yet can't dispute he actual lie. Wonder what that says about you?

[beedle]

72. You think a liar is best qualified for President?

Okay, possibly I guess if you're talking about dealing with hostile powers there might be some small point to be said for having the ability to tell good tactical lies ... but to lie to your own people? For no other reason than to pump up your own image?

How can you possibly trust her?

If popular opinion turns to anti-marriage-equality you know she will flip back to being against marriage equality.

You know that if there is an uptick in crime and the polls show more support for another 'tough on crime bill' that targets minorities she will again support that.

And you know that if polls show another rise in support for outlawing abortions she will flip on that as well.

I really don't understand how a Hillary supporter thinks, it's baffling how a know liar and weathervane gets the support she does ... I blame the WWE for teaching Americans that being a lying jerk back stabbing heel is something to cheer about.

[revbones]

78. So you have no answer for the actual lie then? nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

80. Your post is "1984" style newspeak. To quote a candidate is to "disparage".

That's some awesome sauce right there.

[VulgarPoet]

75. I supported Brian Williams getting bounced tf out of his job for lies like this.

If I gave my vote to Clinton, I'd be a hypocrite.

[Bonobo]

82. That wlll be a very effective Republican ad.

And let's face it? Do we want someone who would like about that to be Commander in Chief?

Don't forget her lie about asking to join the Marines either.

[noiretextatique]

83. Yup..."I made a mistake"

Just like her IWR vote...another mistake.