No Mr. President-she did not "intentionally" put America in danger...

[catnhatnh]

...you're thinking of either treason or espionage, which are what you would charge an SOS with if you could prove that was their intent. At this point we merely believe she behaved criminally in handling and storage of classified information. This was "careless" indeed....

Oh-one more thing, is a person known to be so careless with National Security STILL qualified to be President??? More so, or less so than someone not so tainted?

[Maedhros]

1. President Obama is partially responsible for what happened as well.

Someone like Truman would say he's completely responsible.

[yourpaljoey]

6. Hillary completely snookered him

History will not treat him well

[BernieforPres2016]

10. Exactly right. Obama seems to have thought Hillary didn't need supervision.

After all, her husband had been President for 8 years and she had been a Senator so she should have known about things like maintaining secure communications. But he hired her, he was her boss, and it is ultimately his responsibility. Which is why the odds that his Justice Department will indict her are virtually zero.

[karynnj]

15. I know you are referring to Truman's comment that the buck stops here

That does accept ultimate responsibility, but I would content that it does not accept blame for things not done on his order. There are subtle differences in the meanings of the two words. I think his very careful wording is due to the fact that it reflects on him as President and as such it is better if seen as being "careless", not that she intentionally jeopardized national security.

This is the bad part of the devil's bargain he made to try to control the Clintons during his first term.

Here, the most "blame" that one could give to Obama is if he knew that she was ignoring the carefully crafted agreement that was made to avoid conflicts of interest with the Clinton foundation or if he was informed of the complete details of her email situation. I know that you could say that having sent email, he knew. However, it is possible he did not even notice the email - maybe because an aide added her to his address book meaning he just typed Hillary Clinton. My question would be what did his Chief of Staff know.

[Fawke Em]

17. I agree. I don't think Obama knew.

Most people in the administration didn't, judging from reports.

[riversedge]

2. umm.. but Obama said she did not intentionally put national security in danger

??? your subject line is confusing

[catnhatnh]

5. And I agreed with him

as does my post.

[riversedge]

9. Than why have the beginning "No, .....???

X-posted
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511697159

Obama: Clinton Didn't "Intentionally" Put America In Jeopardy;



"President Obama is quizzed about the investigation by the FBI Justice Department into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's private server and non-government e-mail address by FOX News' Chris Wallace on this week's edition of FOX News Sunday. In the interview, Wallace confronted Obama if he can still say flatly that Clinton did not jeopardize America's secrets. Obama also guaranteed there is no political involvement in the ongoing investigation.

Obama contended she did not jeopardize America's national security, however was "careless" in terms of managing e-mails that she has owned. Obama said the scandal needs to be put in "perspective" as Clinton "served her country" and did an outstanding job.

"Here's what I know," Obama told Wallace. "Hillary Clinton was an outstanding Secretary of State. She would never intentionally put America in any kind of jeopardy."

"You were prepared to say she didn't jeopardize," Chris Wallace said.

"I continue to believe she has not jeopardized America's national security," Obama defended Clinton. "Now what I also said is that -- and she's acknowledged -- that there's a carelessness in terms of managing e-mails that she has owned. And she recognizes that. But I also think is important to keep this in perspective. This is somebody who served her country for four years as Secretary of State and did an outstanding job and no one has suggested that in some ways as a consequence of how she's handled e-mails that that detracted from her excellent ability to carry out her duties."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/10/obama_clinton_didnt_intentionally_put_america_in_jeopardy_i_guarantee_no_political_influence_in_server_probe.html

[Fumesucker]

21. That's agreeing with the President "No she didn't intentionally put the American people in danger"

[99th_Monkey]

24. The Whole thing hangs on that word "intentionally"

intentionality is notoriously difficult to prove.

[beedle]

33. Carelssness isn't. It was actually admitted

Last edited Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)

And carelessness is bad judgement.

Take for example Bernie, in the Daily News interview, saying he had not looked the recent decision regarding Metropolitan Life.

Sanders is not sitting in any executive position dealing with finance or the courts, and was asked about how a court case decision's (a case whose written decision had not been as yet release yet for Sander to have examined,) legal implications, would play out in terms of Bank Breakups. He was held responsible for not taking into considerations things that he had no way of knowing ... this was considered a 'fail' and used to question his qualifications to be president.

Hillary was in such a position, and acted carelessly with information that if released could have indeed caused a national security issue (not to mention her using it to hide that she was secretly going against the president's direct orders.) But for some reason this is a great big 'nothing'??

Sanders answers a stupid question honestly, and he gets ripped apart ... Hillary cheats, lies, and is careless in the extreme, and one would think she was a hero because she got lucky and (so far) nothing serious came of it?

[99th_Monkey]

34. I cannot argue with your analysis one whit. Well said. n/t

[JudyM]

36. Also re:intent... She appears to have *intended* to circumvent freedom of information applicability

for the purpose of either (1) escaping future scrutiny or (2) outright hiding her dealings between the Clinton foundation and international dealings - including arms deals. Her focus on that intention was of primary importance, while her focus on national security took a back seat.

The fact that she sought to destroy records that were legally required to be handed over to the state department afterward is corroborative evidence on that point. Are we to believe that this was also unintentional?

Clintons circumvent intentionally. This would bother me a helluva lot less if it was because of having been hounded so intensively by rethugs in years past, but it now appears that they were affirmatively breaking rules and engaging in highly unethical actions, and that is what they wanted to hide. This is why I have no faith in Hillary any longer.

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. One lawyer speaking about another lawyer.

Perfect example of "newspeak".

[Avalux]

3. Obama with some tricky wordsmithing...

That was a dig, make no mistake about it. Hillary WAS careless to say the very least, which should give people serious pause. How can a careless person be qualified to be president? The FBI investigation will continue with no interference from the WH - good.

[kristopher]

12. Technically, in this case, carelessness is a crime.

Negligence in law usually involves some degree of willful neglect and damage. In the case of classified information, since there is an affirmative obligation to actively protect the information, a careless act is neglect. And since it is nearly impossible to assess whether and to what extent damage has been done, there is no obligation to prove damage in order to convict.

[Fawke Em]

20. Yup...

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer - Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

[Hoyt]

26. I saw it the first time, and it was neither lost, stolen, removed from where it was originally sent

or anything like that. Sorry, doesn't apply. You might think emails should have gone to Fort Knox or something, but that is not part of the law. If anything she was "careless," that's all. And nothing happened detrimental to the USA, so I question how "careless" it was.

[Hoyt]

4. Do you have statute that she violated to make it criminal act? Or are you just spinning BS for BS?

Also, Sanders needs a middle name to make the acronym less offensive.

[catnhatnh]

8. It is discussed on several threads

but just on its face there were 22 TS classified documents found on a non secure server. And I won't argue.Obama's "careless" is a euphemism for illegal.

[Hoyt]

11. That is not a violation of any statute. "Careless" maybe. You don't think Sanders would have done

some "careless" things if he had ever been in an important position.

[Hiraeth]

19. careless .... interesting word

neg·li·gent.

1.failing to take proper care in doing something:
"directors have been negligent in the performance of their duties"

synonyms: neglectful · remiss · careless · lax · irresponsible ·
[more]

[Hoyt]

28. "Careless" is not a violation of the law. And, since no one has proof of any detrimental action, I

question how "careless" it is.

[Hiraeth]

29. Was not my word. Interesting.

[Fawke Em]

22. See my Post at No. 20.

[Hoyt]

27. See my post at 26, which was meant to be posted here but I got "careless."

[Hiraeth]

30. Interesting

[SheilaT]

7. Just because she didn't INTENTIONALLY

put America in danger, doesn't mean she's not guilty of criminal negligence here. As it is, she deliberately and knowingly defied the State Department's order to her that she not use a Blackberry for her work emails.

[MichMan]

13. Not to mention Blumenthal

Not to mention putting Sidney Blumenthal on the payroll after the President wouldn't approve of him at the State Dept.

[magical thyme]

14. and of course there is the public corruption side investigation

which some people believe is where she'll get nailed. Especially with Huma's enmeshment in Clinton Foundation, Teneo, State Dept.

Last 2 to get interviewed by the FBI. What does that tell you?

[Scuba]

16. She would have had her server generate white noise, but that's just for protecting donors.

[JackRiddler]

18. She did spearhead a new aggressive war that destroyed a nation.

And ran an independent communications platform for her team of admin insiders and outsiders while doing so. That's the "e-mail" scandal, why she was maintaining her own comm channels, not whether the servers met the level of security required to satisfy national security paranoids.

I wish I lived in a country where it was seen that way.

[azmom]

23. Her carelessness with national security certainly

disqualifies her in my book.

[awake]

25. Obama just washed his hands so there would be no blood on them

He knows Hillary may go down for her careless acts, and Obama was making it clear that he had no knowlage of what she was up to, this is all on Hillary. Obama also made it clear he can not save her.

[Hiraeth]

31. Did he just throw her under the bus?

[awake]

35. Not completely he just said that he would not stop the driver from running her over

which she walked in front the bus while texting her friend Blumenthal on her non government approved blackberry.

[Hiraeth]

37. Lol