By now just about everybody knows about the Dem. Establishment's Rigged Elections. It's not

[Cal33]

simply an occasional local happening, it covers all 50 states, plus the Territories. It is nationwide!
Does anybody still doubt what happened in Arizona, Nevada, and now Wyoming?

What are the Sanders people doing about Wyoming, Arizona, Nevada? The Dem. Establishment
does the vote-counting, and the Dem. Establishment people are apparently beholden to Clinton.
I don't doubt that, if it weren't for the voter and election frauds, Sanders would be winning by
even larger percentages in many states.

From their behavior, it has become obvious that Third Way Democrats are more like Republicans
than Democrats.

Bernie and his supporters have got to fight back, and with vigor. I think we ought to demand
a re-election in all those states where there is proof of election or voter fraud.

This bullshit has got to stop, and the practitioners of fraud brought to court. Anything less than
this, and they will just continue their fraudulent practices, and they will "WIN."

[GreatGazoo]

1. The battle you're asking for is a quagmire

The Sanders campaign has chosen to fight a couple of these but anything larger would quickly become a huge distraction.

Like asking for speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

[Cal33]

2. A couple of these is better than nothing. And the "huge distraction" brought about by a large

number of law suits would help many unsure people to think twice about voting for Clinton.
The number of vote and election frauds would also decrease. May be it will be worth it.
I think it will help Sanders to win.

[GreatGazoo]

3. I agree that there is a lot of room for improvement in how primaries work.

I am content to let the Sanders campaign pick the battles they think are winnable and worth fighting now. After the election we can all compare notes and see how to do even better next time.

[geek tragedy]

4. wrong forum. this isn't Creative Speculation.

I'm sure the 911 theorists would appreciate your contribution

[Blue_Tires]

5. Maybe Sanders should have just run as an independent...

Oh right, Sanders needs that EVIL establishment party infrastructure for canvassing, fundraising and legitimacy

See you after the convention, if ever....

[firebrand80]

6. If he wins the nomination, do you think

he orders the DNC to give back all the dirty money? I'm gonna guess no.

[Cal33]

13. From a practical point of view, the money will have all been spent. So, No, it

will not be there to be returned.

By the way, I believe many of you Hillary supporters won't be posting here shortly
after the elections in November - especially those who are here right now just to
make noise.

[Cal33]

7. If he had run as an Independent, it would have split and weakened the Dem. Party, which

Sanders didn't want to do.

Sanders never joined either of the two main parties because both of them were under the
payroll of the Corporate people -- the Republicans more so than the Democrats. Sanders
would have none of this corruption. He remained Independent all of his political life.

I see his joining the presidential race as a Democrat only because he considered the
Democratic Party as the lesser of two evils. During his entire political career, the way he
voted has always been that of a Progressive or Liberal Democrat. Anybody can check
back into his records -- as a US senator and House representative, and also as mayor
of Burlington, VT.

Now he is the leader of the Progressive Democrats. I am glad. I think he and Elizabeth
Warren have started a movement that will long survive the both of them, after they will
have left the political scene.

Truth, honesty and integrity -- What a breath of much needed fresh air in American politics,
after so many decades of bribery and corruption!!

Members of both main Parties are leaving their parties by the droves. More people are
finally wising up and doing something about the disgusting present state of affairs. They
are sick of it. Change will be coming. It's only a question of time.

[Dem2]

8. LMAO!!

[Cal33]

24. Just keep on laughing.

[RiverLover]

9. Excellent OP. Thank you!

Third Way Dems are republicans infiltrating the party. They pull dirty tricks in every way, including stealing elections.

The corporate media are giving it a pass. It is infuriating, that's for sure.

[Ferd Berfel]

21. That's the problem

the tent is too damn big.

Do the republicans that switch over and start calling themselves Dems (and are ALLOWED TO by the DNC) all of a sudden magically disavow their previous RW positions in the process?

A woman has no right to choose
Social Security / Medicare should be privatized
Fracking is great stuff
Anti-Union
Tax breaks for Millionaires and billionaires
More wars are needed
Corporations are People
etc
etc

No. I don't think so. I think they bring most of that crap with them and poison the well, and stink up the tent on the Left. This is how the party gets pulled so far to the Reich that it now looks like the Republican party of 40 years ago.

A good "Democratic Spring" cleaning is needed

[Cal33]

23. Thank you for your post.

[DanTex]

10. Conspiracy!

[Bread and Circus]

11. What can we do? The media, the money, and half the party is in the tank for Clinton.

She could club a baby harp seal and nothing would happen.

Any resistence is met with "you just want ponies" or "you are gonna get Trump elected if you don't shut up".

[MineralMan]

12. There's no time, actually.

Say the Sanders campaign wanted to challenge the Arizona election. They'd have to file a civil suit in that state. Maybe it could be scheduled within three to six months. Then, there's an investigation to do, discovery proceedings, and an eventual trial, which you would by no means be sure of winning. The State of Arizona would be defending itself, of course.

By the time anything could happen, the convention would be held and the general election campaign would have already begun. So, there couldn't be a new primary in Arizona. No revote. And, even if there were such an election in time, you'd have to look at how many delegates you could possibly gain.

Now, repeat that in every state you didn't win. It's simply not practical. You'd be taking on a state government, which oversees elections. The amount of time they could stall would make it impossible to complete the process before November.

Even if a new election were called, there are time limits imposed by the state on special elections and lots of costs for each county, etc. It's simply not going to happen. It never has, and never will.

Then there are states like Minnesota. Bernie won that state's caucuses. Guess what? We're getting rid of caucuses, because they didn't actually reflect the views of most of the electorate. We're going to switch to primaries in our state for the next presidential election.

It's almost impossible to change the results of an election that has already taken place. That's why nobody tries. It would be horrendously expensive and wouldn't be resolved before the General Election had taken place.

It's a lose-lose situation for any candidate. Nobody does it.

[Cal33]

14. Let's suppose if law suits were filed, and some of them have been found guilty as

charged, and received sentences according to the law. And all of them would take
place after November, 2016. The present election will not be effected, but
FUTURE ELECTIONS WILL BE.

The fact that nobody gets punished helps people to break the law. They know they
will get away with it. But once it has been established that the law means business
where elections are concerned, you can be sure the rate of fraud will decrease
dramatically. We've got to start some time. Why not now?

[MineralMan]

15. Lawsuits are civil matters. There are no guilty verdicts

or sentences. They are not criminal trials. If there are criminal charges, the state will bring those.

Understanding the law is important. There is no time before the elections for a re-vote and that would only happy as the result of a civil lawsuit or a decision by the state to hold one. Neither is likely, and Sanders isn't going to bring suit, I'm sure, with any expectation of a timely redress of his grievance, assuming he won the suit. I wouldn't assume that, either.

[Cal33]

16. Thanks for your post. It made me look up the Internet for info. Different states have

different laws. Here is the link to Election Laws of Minnesota. Page 2 of the article
shows the sentences for the differing degrees of breaking election laws, from the
mildest to the most severe:

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/mnelectcrime.pdf

[farleftlib]

17. Bernie is extremely dangerous to the Dem party

If a true progressive became president, they'd be outed as promoters of the status quo. They are beholden to their corporate masters and they'd have to lay their cards on the table. Then the illusion of that we have a two-party system would be exposed for the utter lie that it is. My guess is that the Dems would rather have a republican than Bernie because then they could pretend they got steamrolled into voting against our interests away while safely lining their pockets.

Edited for clarity

[Cal33]

18. Political parties are supposed to be working for the American people. The present Establishment

leaders of both parties have changed that into working for their own personal benefit. Bernie
Sanders is doing what he can to reform the Dem. Party, so that it will be working for the American
people again - as it did during the time of FDR's New Deal. America was the most admired nation
in the world then.

Today, sociopaths have taken over our country, and many foreigners look upon us as the most
corrupt nation in the world! What a fall - from the highest to the lowest!

[liberal_at_heart]

20. "My guess is that the Dems would rather have a republican than Bernie because then they could

pretend they got steamrolled into voting our interests away while safely lining their pockets."

They love using the excuse that the Republicans made them do it. It means they are not accountable for their actions. They get to cash their lobbyist checks and have no responsibility in the destruction of our middle class or our social services.

[Cal33]

22. Yes, Third Way Democrats are more like Republicans than Democrats.

[brooklynite]

19. How many of the "rigged" elections has Bernie Sanders challenged?