The Irony and Hypocracy of Clinton Embracing Citizens United.

[rhett o rick]

Citizens United came about because of an attempt to torpedo H. Clinton. Seems sadly ironic that the CU decision might actually help the Rich and Powerful Oligarchy push her into the WH.

When the SCOTUS made the CU decision, Democrats were united against it. Recognizing the Big Money influence in our government was a bad thing. My how things have changed. Some Democrats have changed their minds and think Big Money influence is ok if it's their candidate that benefits from the Big Money. And to really highlight the hypocrisy, H. Clinton, who has always said she was against CU, turns around and, instead of condemning the process, takes full advantage. And doubling down by stating that she will work to get it over-turned just as soon as she is done with using the process (wink, wink).

Democrats (not DINO's) recognize that Big Money influence in government has destroyed our democracy and the economy of the lower 99%. Somehow the Clinton supporters can rationalize how that's just ok. They can ignore the growing poverty levels and support the greedy profits of the wealthy 1%.

[seabeyond]

1. As does Sanders. The difference is Clinton is getting money to down ticket. The true hypocrisy is

pretending Sanders is not participating either.

[jimmy_crack_corn]

3. Proof Please

Show me the reputable link to support your statement ......

I can show you how see has done it...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/6/1511462/-CORRUPTION-How-Hundreds-of-Superdelegates-were-Literally-bought-by-the-Clinton-Campaign

[rhett o rick]

14. You most likely won't get a response. They must have the duty to moniter

the new OP's and jump in the number one response slot. It's takes some watching and hitting the refresh button to get in within a min or two. That's why their responses are short.

[bigtree]

25. lol

...to think you really believe what you wrote here.

LMFAO!

[rhett o rick]

61. I know it's hard to believe that the Clinton fans would go to those extremes, but they do. nm

[seabeyond]

15. Sanders has his super pacs, have gotten money from frackin' corps and business... easily googled.

[PufPuf23]

43. Then google your evidence and post please eom.

[seabeyond]

51. Nope. Waste of time. Anyone wanting educated will google themselves. I do. I learned long ago

with women's issues, it is a waste of time, and purposely.

You want the facts, get them. I prefer fact to fiction. And I don't play games. I have read it plenty of times, so I have to assume you have too, you just do not care.

[jimmy_crack_corn]

58. Where's da beef

Show me a credible link otherwise it stands as a shill post

[seabeyond]

59. Not Sanders, anyway. Bah hahahah.

[revbones]

4. Disagree. The Hillary Victory Fund is NOT a vehicle for downticket races.

And that's a poor argument to use. It's a bribery source for super-delegates for what little money that doesn't get funneled to her campaign to skirt around limits.

[seabeyond]

16. Are you suggesting Clinton is not giving to down ticket?

[revbones]

18. I'm suggesting it's a vehicle to funnel money into her campaign

and very little goes downticket - and what does is to bribe super-delegates for their vote.

[seabeyond]

19. The super delegates Devine established? The superdelegate Sanders enjoys the privilege of being?

Sounds like a whole lot of sore loser.

[revbones]

20. The cult of personality is on Hillary's side.

Do I think the super-delegates are a good thing? No. Do I care that Tad Devine was involved in that decision making process? It was a poor result, but I don't solely credit him for it.

It's funny as heck that you guys keep bringing that up like he's some super hero that created super-delegates on his own without any help. Do you really believe him to be that powerful?

You guys like to get hung up on personalities, and I'm guessing you don't understand it when others don't see the world that way.

[seabeyond]

24. Ha hahahahah. Lol lol.

[revbones]

27. I take it that you think this reflects well on you right?

Really something to be proud of right?

[seabeyond]

32. Really, I have been drinking wine, after a long day at work, and you bust me up.

[revbones]

35. Sure. Tell yourself whatever you need to. Enjoy.

[PufPuf23]

46. This post may explain in part why you expect respect you do not offer in return. eom

[seabeyond]

54. I expect shit from you all.

[PufPuf23]

56. Get some good counseling. eom

[seabeyond]

57. Are you really taking it personally, to my mental health? Really? Lol.

[rhett o rick]

5. Not bad for a one minute post. Quick on the refresh button. Do you have the duty this am?

Once again trying to drag Sanders into the pit of corruption that Clinton supporters seem to overlook for their candidate.

And the "down ticket" money is still dirty money and being used by the DNC to buy the support of those down-ticket Super-Duper-Delegates. It's this corrupt culture that we are fighting against and you fighting to continue.

The hypocrisy is Clinton saying she is against it but using it anywayz.

[seabeyond]

17. You lost the respect of me reading your post with you garbage title comment.

[rhett o rick]

21. And I have no respect for the tactics you guys employ. nm

[seabeyond]

29. Whatever....

[PufPuf23]

47. That poster is not a member of team but maybe a wannabe. eom

[rhett o rick]

60. I am not so sure. Notice how they got the first response spot? That's a tactic that's

from the CS* Cave. Try to hijack threads by getting the number one response slot. It's not that easy. Have to give em credit for their dedication to hit the refresh button every 15 sec to make sure they are first. How utterly childish.

[timmymoff]

23. Clinton has raised a whopping 6 million for down ticket

dems out of 180 million collected. Sanders can get that in a day if needed. And it won't be from wall st.

[seabeyond]

30. 5 million 900 thousand more than Sanders.

[timmymoff]

33. Yea, coincidentally that is how she " bought" her superdelegates

[seabeyond]

34. Waaaa. You get she had the popular vote and lost because of delegates in 2008, right? I didn't hear

any of the Sanders supporters with issues. The way the ball rolls. Play or don't but no whining allowed.

11-7 even with a loss kickin' ass.

[timmymoff]

37. If you want to lose the general please pick Clinton

[seabeyond]

40. Clinton has got this.

[timmymoff]

44. Clinton has about -50

in Illinois just from people I know. Good luck.

[seabeyond]

52. 2.4 million ahead on onward to the closed primaries where the Dems vote, and not the Baggers

[timmymoff]

55. -50 of just people I know can't be helpful

considering I am basically a hermit. Should make the general interesting.

[revbones]

36. Show me the breakdown where that money went then...

[seabeyond]

38. no

[revbones]

39. So you just repeat random numbers that have no basis in reality? Good to know.

[seabeyond]

42. nope

[revbones]

45. sure you do. It's obvious to anyone reading it since you can't back it up.

Enjoy whatever trite reply you want to make, but you've just proven you say random things you can't back up. Think they have a word those that tell falsehoods...

[PufPuf23]

48. This poster is sloppy about most they post at DU yet

expects respect even when treated with respect they do not reciprocate.

[NCTraveler]

2. Just one more thing Sanders opposes, uses to his benefit(while making LIV's think he isn't),

and gives no reason as to why he hasn't brought about changing it. Just opposition and emptiness.

[rhett o rick]

6. More empty aligations. nm

[NCTraveler]

7. Exactly. But aren't you the one who brought it here. That was a quick change. nt.

[rhett o rick]

8. Is that the classic Jr High comeback, "I know you are but what am I."

[NCTraveler]

10. I don't think so. It seems you do.

My original comment seemed pretty spot on. You backed that up by not contradiction one word of it. Replies like the one I made are often referred to as "in kind" replies.

[tabasco]

9. hypocrisy

[Jitter65]

11. You really mean the irony of Citizens United getting caught in their own petard.

Yes, she should use what she can. Why disarm in the face of the enemy?

[rhett o rick]

12. Absolutely not. The Ruling Oligarchy now favor Clinton with the Republicons going

over the edge. "Why disarm in the face of the enemy?" Well it's not worth winning if you give up your principles. Not surprised that Clinton supporters don't see it that way. Win at all costs is obviously the slogan. We can win an election without selling our souls to the Rich and Powerful.

[DanTex]

13. Clinton is against CU, and has always been.

The people who benefit from it are the GOP, not the Dems.

[revbones]

22. Sure. That's why she takes all that money, to fight CU. rofl....

[DanTex]

26. That's correct. Unless the Dems win the election, CU stays.

The people who really like CU are the Bernie or Busters, who are trying to ensure a GOP victory.

[revbones]

28. Hillary will take no action against CU. You're in denial if you think she will. nt

[DanTex]

31. All a president can do is nominate justices that would overturn it.

Which, obviously, she would do -- all Dem appointees voted against CU.

[PufPuf23]

50. You are delusional to think that Hillary Clinton does not benefit from CU

and that Clinton will do anything but lip service to overturn CU.

I think you know that too.

You insult many long term Democrats that support Sanders, in general and at DU, that do not want a GOP nor Trump victory.

Hillary Clinton will pick up some votes that way should she be in the general election from people like me.

However, I think she will be a train wreck of a POTUS, but at least a Democrat.

[DanTex]

53. It's factual. She'd be in a stronger position without CU. CU benefits Republicans

more than Democrats.

[timmymoff]

41. She is so against it, she is using jui jitsu, by accepting millions from it, to fight it lmfao

[anotherproletariat]

49. The funny thing is that the repubs though that Democrats couldn't get big money donors...

I'm glad Hillary is using all the tools in the toolbox to win this thing. Again, you can't bring a knife to a gun fight.

[BernieforPres2016]

62. Hillary's behavior demonstrates she is in favor of Citizens United, so what kind of Supreme Court

nominees could we expect to see from her? Middle of the road corporatists.