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hill2016

(1,772 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:38 PM Apr 2016

OK it seems that Bernie will be taking a charter to the Vatican

https://news.vice.com/article/bernie-sanders-vatican-invite-pope-wont-meet-with-him

The trip has also caused a small stir among pundits ahead of the April 19 New York primary, as Sanders will be forced to take a break from campaigning for a few days to fly to Rome and back. The campaign will board a charter immediately after a highly-anticipated Democratic debate in New York that Sanders had been pressuring Clinton to accept on April 14.

Is this an official campaign event?
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OK it seems that Bernie will be taking a charter to the Vatican (Original Post) hill2016 Apr 2016 OP
He got tired of sitting in the middle seat. RandySF Apr 2016 #1
Anybody would NWCorona Apr 2016 #13
He has an SS detail now. Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #49
A charter is literally the only way that Bernie can make it to the Vatican in time. w4rma Apr 2016 #136
can't be paid for with campaign funds, has to be private funds geek tragedy Apr 2016 #2
HE'S GOING TO SELL OFF SOME OF HIS ILLEGAL IVORY COLLECTION. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #5
LOL Armstead Apr 2016 #14
Nice! northernsouthern Apr 2016 #35
I get your point but ouch mcar Apr 2016 #55
I know. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #64
I'm a lapsed Catholic and I agree mcar Apr 2016 #70
Did they make it in to a museum? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #97
Lol. Agschmid Apr 2016 #43
I assume he'll just give another speech at Goldman Sachs. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #45
That is why we need Hillary northernsouthern Apr 2016 #50
that's chump change for the filthy rich catholic church nt msongs Apr 2016 #84
It is a matter of perspective. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #95
If instead, Bernie had been invited to tour the CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #133
and maybe give a quick 840high Apr 2016 #52
A lot of politicans fun n serious Apr 2016 #72
The honest politicians beedle Apr 2016 #90
I would like to see the tax returns fun n serious Apr 2016 #98
And I would like to see the Wall St. Transcripts beedle Apr 2016 #99
I doubt I will see 8 years long form fun n serious Apr 2016 #100
You have got to be kidding. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #120
No beedle Apr 2016 #126
Sounds like they both got paid what they COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #127
True beedle Apr 2016 #130
Please provide proof- with links - that support COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #132
The week of new surrounding money laundering and the foundation are enough ViseGrip Apr 2016 #134
All that's provided is slander and innuendo. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #144
Sure, Just as soon as you beedle Apr 2016 #139
We were talking about people giving speeches for $$. Bernie COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #143
cute? beedle Apr 2016 #145
No, but you wlll be getting another Ignore. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #159
Mic drop! LOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #153
I hope he doesn't end up in the Vatican City Jail. I hear the sheriff is a nun with a ruler. Vattel Apr 2016 #111
It's a private function beedle Apr 2016 #6
"The campaign will board a charter" RandySF Apr 2016 #18
I see beedle Apr 2016 #29
Nothing RandySF Apr 2016 #36
Let them ask beedle Apr 2016 #40
The word "campaign" was simply the word used by the author of the story. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #88
But HRC's private speeches are? mcar Apr 2016 #58
Are what? beedle Apr 2016 #67
Not important and we all know it. What is important is the royally Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #8
+150,000,000 (n/t) Amaril Apr 2016 #53
"The campaign will board a charter" RandySF Apr 2016 #19
damn - stop repeating yourself. 840high Apr 2016 #54
The word "campaign" was simply the word used by the author of the story. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #89
Jonathan Capehart is going to be all.over this. CentralMass Apr 2016 #140
OH THANK GOD!!!!! WE NOW KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION!!!!!!!!! Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #3
I know! Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #34
Yes, we can now get back to the really important stuff like SFnomad Apr 2016 #41
LOL!!!! Ain't that the truth!!!! MADem Apr 2016 #69
God yes! It gets tiring after a while COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #121
I think we'll continue to hear stuff like "Well, if EVERYONE in Calilfornia votes for Berrrrrnie..." MADem Apr 2016 #124
Yep. I fully expect to hear "When Bernie sweeps COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #131
Heh tammywammy Apr 2016 #78
Right, that darn Sanders campaign, only wants distractions while The Hill Folk have been nothing but Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #86
There you go, when you can't defend the Sanders cheerleaders actions SFnomad Apr 2016 #92
Perhaps you forgot which thread you're in. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #93
Oh, snap! Thread win! LOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #154
I know, Right? 2banon Apr 2016 #106
Why does it matter? Bernie is doing this for a greater good reason, because the Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #4
Of course it has nothing to do with the campaign RandySF Apr 2016 #9
If it does it is because he is trying to put a light on income inequality here and Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #12
He's doing it as a campaign stunt. Giving a 10-minute talk at an academic conference DanTex Apr 2016 #15
Bernie doesn't do stunts or self glorification. It might actually help his campaign Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #17
Oh yes he does. He's a politician. DanTex Apr 2016 #23
He didnt lie, he may have changed his mind about going, as it was a bad move time wise. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #25
He said that he was invited by the pope, and was going to meet the pope. DanTex Apr 2016 #30
And Hillary said she landed under sniper fire beedle Apr 2016 #71
He DID lie. He said the pope invited him and that was not true. MADem Apr 2016 #81
Hilllary and Bernie are not of the same thread timmymoff Apr 2016 #94
At least she actually IS a Democrat. Bernie is COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #123
When is the canonization ceremony? COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #122
I thought he wasn't going to give a speech TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #28
Originally he wasn't, but then they cut a coffee break short by 10 minutes to give him a slot. DanTex Apr 2016 #33
Yes, Dan. That's what they did. frylock Apr 2016 #104
How about Hillary and Bill and the SS we are paying for Both along with KoKo Apr 2016 #39
Oh, give it a rest. bjo59 Apr 2016 #113
He is doing this for the greater good... NCTraveler Apr 2016 #30
The Greater Good IamMab Apr 2016 #76
Glad to hear he'll get some sleep WhiteTara Apr 2016 #7
not on a charter DrDan Apr 2016 #77
Look what you support. Android3.14 Apr 2016 #10
Yep - disgusting 840high Apr 2016 #56
I wonder if that was any more disgusting Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #96
I dont think a charter flight is a good idea. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #11
jury results geek tragedy Apr 2016 #37
Alert on the jury results... SidDithers Apr 2016 #80
already done. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #82
Absolutely. But we're seeing a whole lot of COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #125
That's a nice carbon footprint he's leaving RandySF Apr 2016 #16
Does Rush know you're using his material? /nt Marr Apr 2016 #20
I don't listen to Rush RandySF Apr 2016 #21
I did hear him make that joke about Al Gore once, yes. Marr Apr 2016 #26
Oh, stop with the carbon footprint stuff. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #24
IT'S FUELED NY THOUSANDS OF WELL FED AND HAPPY HAMPSTERS RUNNING ON THOUSANDS OF WHEELS. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #27
LOL. SDJay Apr 2016 #38
And birdies. 840high Apr 2016 #60
Obama with his 840high Apr 2016 #59
Not to mention Hillary and her miles. Racking up points & cash Kittycat Apr 2016 #75
Steamships are such time-wasters TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #22
How many twenty seven dollar checks will it cost to hire a charter aircraft? nt MADem Apr 2016 #32
If he needs more, all he has to do is ask. jillan Apr 2016 #42
That's nice, but it doesn't answer the question. nt MADem Apr 2016 #44
About 3,000 people. He'd have no problem, considering that's just a fraction The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #63
But no "Vatican Agency" actually invited him. His buddy Sachs leaned on Sorono to go behind MADem Apr 2016 #73
BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #74
Bernie loves to criticize when people don't meet his standards--I'm criticizing him for LYING his MADem Apr 2016 #79
What difference does it make? frylock Apr 2016 #105
It's his .... JUDGMENT. He's displaying POOR JUDGMENT. MADem Apr 2016 #119
This is fucking rich. frylock Apr 2016 #128
It sure is. Now you're taking the point (snark). nt MADem Apr 2016 #129
It IS a question of discrimination and judgment, yes. Did he Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #156
So Sorono DOES NOT report to the Pope? TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #146
NOT in the context of his duties at the Academy, he does NOT. MADem Apr 2016 #150
Ask Hillary & Bill.. Private Charter Jet out to the CLooney Mansion this Weekend.. KoKo Apr 2016 #46
Proceeds from apcalc Apr 2016 #57
You mean bought and paid for fighting-irish Apr 2016 #101
We need to get apcalc Apr 2016 #117
We know all about the Hillary Clinton Slush errrr... Victory Fund. frylock Apr 2016 #112
Recommend for Exposure... KoKo Apr 2016 #155
So the PEOPLE'S candidate is chartering a private craft for a weekend dash to Roma? With staff? ucrdem Apr 2016 #47
And Hillary is flying coach to George Clooney's $350K fundraiser, right? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #48
To give a speech at a Vatican conference on social & economic issues? Looks ok to me. nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #61
Jetting to Rome in a chartered plane to say a few words about inequality ucrdem Apr 2016 #87
Huh - when was that? Now jetting to SF for hi-dollar dinners, that I could see. jmg257 Apr 2016 #91
Can't wait for the mocking SNL skit taking the Mickey out of his Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #157
Francis isn't sending Pope Force One to pick him up? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #51
Did he send one for Obama? 840high Apr 2016 #62
Obama has one of his own. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #65
Unlike St. Bernardo, Pres. Obama hasn't yet been beatified. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #158
I wonder if the Secret Service watches the watchers? reddread Apr 2016 #66
Oh noooooesssssss angrychair Apr 2016 #68
Well he does have about 10 millions drray23 Apr 2016 #115
No, he doesn't angrychair Apr 2016 #141
That shouldn't be surprising since he has Secret Service protection tammywammy Apr 2016 #83
Charters usually depart from Teterboro. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #85
It's put to rest already. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #102
He's running for president gollygee Apr 2016 #103
For all those BSers that have bashed the Catholic Church and the Pope.. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #107
That's really deep. You should blog or something. bvf Apr 2016 #114
Also you. You're powerless to do jack-shit about our donations. Live with it. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #138
also, many other anti Catholics are just as powerless...what an inane comment you just made Sheepshank Apr 2016 #142
I'm sure he is doing whatever he is supposed to be doing. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #108
He would've walked across the water but you guys asked him to "tone it down" GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #109
Wow, you guys are pretty damn close to stalking Bernie. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #110
Earned it. Blue Owl Apr 2016 #116
You should contact Bernie's campaign and ask them if it's an official event. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #118
You obsession is puzzling AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #135
You're powerless in this situation, so who really cares what sort of shit you want to stir. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #137
Travel costs paid with campaign money, or personal funds? What kind of trip is it? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #147
This level of obsession.... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #148
You've all been previously obsessed with Sanders being a secret millionaire, so Vinca Apr 2016 #149
I feel this trip is important. Charter necessary? Go for it. Paper Roses Apr 2016 #151
I'm glad Bernie has this opportunity dragonfly301 Apr 2016 #152
 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
136. A charter is literally the only way that Bernie can make it to the Vatican in time.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:34 AM
Apr 2016

He's going to have to be on that charter, immediately after the debate.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
35. Nice!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

I was going to say he was going to let the Vatican keep some of his families' art work the had "donated" to the church in the 1940's...but I like the pope and it would have been tasteless...I also liked the joke so I posted it in a round about way by saying I wasn't going to. But still love the pope, just not the darker history of the Vatican.

P.S. if my nazi art joke is offending anyone please do tell me I can nix it.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
64. I know.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

I love the artwork of the Vatican (the buildings themselves) but man do I hate a large amount of its history. The fact I wanted to pull this joke shows how much of a good job I think this pope is doing. Also it seems like there is also infighting in the church, I hope he stays in power for a while with all the stuff he is doing.

mcar

(42,307 posts)
70. I'm a lapsed Catholic and I agree
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

No institutions have a pure history. I think Pope Frankie is starting the church on a long path toward reform but it's going to be a long road.

I hope I one day get to see the artwork in the Vatican and I hope any families of the Holocaust can get their heritage and wealth restored to them from all who stole it.

Did you see the reports from a year or so ago about the beautiful apartment in Paris, closed up from WWII until recently? It boggles my mind that it was there for so long and no one went in.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
97. Did they make it in to a museum?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

I would line up to see that, something about time-capsule places are so unique. I remember driving down old dirt roads in Arkansas that would lead you out by an old roadside store that looked like a depression age or older but still in full use. Not saying that they had used an old place they found and restored it, but everything about it was still old and in use, the electric poles, the doors, the chairs, the old gas pumps, everything had just refused to move forward in time. I heard the Vatican was built on some old pagan ruins, but I never got to see that, if it is excavated.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
50. That is why we need Hillary
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

If she worked a 40 hour week giving speeches like that every day a years she could net our country...

$1564285714.29


It is simple math!
 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
95. It is a matter of perspective.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

To me making 1.5 a billion a year is a good amount, but if you zoom out far enough all mountains become molehills.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
133. If instead, Bernie had been invited to tour the
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:30 AM
Apr 2016

Hershey factory on Friday night, you'd be on DU, imparting your white-hot disdain for the deadly Reese's Peanut Butter Cup.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
90. The honest politicians
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

don't do paid speeches, or if they do they take a few hundred dollars and give it to charity.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
98. I would like to see the tax returns
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

The partial ones Sanders released list "charity" but not which ones....

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
99. And I would like to see the Wall St. Transcripts
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:04 PM
Apr 2016

I'm betting you'll see Sanders Tax returns long before you'll see her transcripts.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
100. I doubt I will see 8 years long form
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

Jane hinted at releasing 2015
That is NOT good enough. There is speculation of a transfer of assets to Jane's name in 2012

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
132. Please provide proof- with links - that support
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:28 AM
Apr 2016

your assertion that Hillary is corrupt (your word). That's a serious accusation and I'm sure you must have some incontrovertible proof in order to make it.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
144. All that's provided is slander and innuendo.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

First, there is no connection between the Panama Papers and the Clintons or their Foundation, except in the fevered imagination of the Republicans and, sadly., some Bernie supporters. Secondly, your 'proof' consists of a reporting that the Clintons have established perfectly legal companies in - gasp - Delaware. That's pretty heady stuff, seeing as Delaware is the corporate capital of the United States. And, for the cherry on the cake, the articie you point to makes clear that nothing about this is illegal.

So, once again, where's the "corrupt behavior" I keep hearing about?

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
139. Sure, Just as soon as you
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:38 AM
Apr 2016

Provide the links to where i mention Hillary.

Funny how i mention corrupt politicians, and the first thought that pops into your head is Hillary.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
143. We were talking about people giving speeches for $$. Bernie
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

(you tell me) gives his pittance away. The other (Hillary) doesn't. Don't try to be cute.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
145. cute?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:40 PM
Apr 2016

How so .. you are the one that brought up 'worth of speeches' ... You think paying someone $250K for the same speech they could supposedly get for free at a campaign stump speech, or watching CNN makes sense, and there's no "added value" to the ones she gives in private to Wall St?

Is "Cut it out" copyrighted, or a trademark? Will I be getting a bill for $250K for using 'cut it out' in my post?

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
67. Are what?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

I'd like to see them, but she's not showing them, and that is her right ....

I'm sure if you ask Bernie though he will tell you how he's paying for the trip ... Will Hillary be as accommodating?

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
8. Not important and we all know it. What is important is the royally
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

messed up system we have here at home where 400 people have the same amount of wealth as 150 million combined.

And Bernie is the one talking about that.

All of us liberals should be grateful to him.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
34. I know!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

Ever since this story broke I've been so very concerned. How would he get there, would there be time for sightseeing, where would he exchange his money, etc.

Now I can finally rest a bit easier!

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
41. Yes, we can now get back to the really important stuff like
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

The "Hillary Hag" question
How the Clinton campaign is collapsing (even through they are still 200+ delegates ahead)
The Walmart Heiress that gave the Clintons a "massive" donation
Bill Clinton's sex life
How Michelle Obama "looks down" on Hillary Clinton
Trying desperately to tie the Clintons to the Panama Papers
Hillary's student loan debt at Yale
Hillary's "subway gaffe"
How Clinton wasn't given time to speak at the conference involving global poverty

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
69. LOL!!!! Ain't that the truth!!!!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016


It seems like one faction is "very concerned" about things that are SOOOOOOO Important (not) !!!!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
121. God yes! It gets tiring after a while
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:16 AM
Apr 2016

listening to the same dreary old garbage. Fortunately it's only for another week. April 20 will dawn and the cold, hard light of day will strike these folks with the gut-wrenching reality that Bernie has absolutely zero chance of winning the nomination.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
124. I think we'll continue to hear stuff like "Well, if EVERYONE in Calilfornia votes for Berrrrrnie..."
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

I'm afraid that this Death March is going to continue for awhile longer.

I'll bet Jill Stein can't wait for this to end, either--she wants her regular voters back...!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
131. Yep. I fully expect to hear "When Bernie sweeps
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:27 AM
Apr 2016

California with 99.3% of the total votes..." but long before that point all but the most delusional will tuck in their sails and (hopefully) start thinking about the GE. There will of course be the few - the ones who post here on DU saying "If I can't vote for Bernie, I won't vote for anybody", the 'I'll take my ball and go homers' plus the remaining few who believe that, against all odds (and the laws of mathematics) that Bernie will prevail in spite of everything and, with his nomination (and of course eventual landslide victory over the Republican candidate) the Lion will lie down with the Lamb, the rich will come to their senses and agree to be taxed at 80 or 90% and social justice will fall over the land like a soft mist. For them, the Perfect is the enemy of the Good and they will probably vote for Jill Stein.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
86. Right, that darn Sanders campaign, only wants distractions while The Hill Folk have been nothing but
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:01 PM
Apr 2016

Substantive, issues-based discussion.



That much projection should come with its own booth.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
92. There you go, when you can't defend the Sanders cheerleaders actions
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:20 PM
Apr 2016

just pretend it didn't happen and that the other guy is the one that actually is doing it.

The Sanders folks float on the river of denial all the time.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
93. Perhaps you forgot which thread you're in.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

I'd love it if this campaign and the discussions here were entirely about substantive issues.

I had someone on the HRC side say yesterday "oh Sanders people don't want to talk about issues" so I said "great, lets talk about specific issues, awesome! Like...." and they said, verbaitm "---I'm not here to discuss specific issues".




Some people have a little .....trouble deviating from the script, I've noticed.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
106. I know, Right?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

pathetic!

and in another post, someone essentially said that pledged super delegate over riding voters choice was the very definition of democracy. !

No wonder our political system is so rife with corrupted shills for the oligarchs, religious fanatics, self absorbed narcissists and egomaniacs despots,

We got a serious problem with Low Information electorate across the board.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
4. Why does it matter? Bernie is doing this for a greater good reason, because the
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

reality is doing it now is probably not helping his campaign.

Further proof that he is the real deal, does stuff not for his own glorification or profit.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
15. He's doing it as a campaign stunt. Giving a 10-minute talk at an academic conference
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

is not going to do anything about economic inequality.

If this wasn't for his own glorification, he wouldn't have tried to sell it as a invitation from the pope on national TV.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
17. Bernie doesn't do stunts or self glorification. It might actually help his campaign
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

if he did, but he doesnt roll that way.

When he does something it is to put a light on his issue of income inequality here and around the world.

He may have blown it by doing this now as to timing for his campaign, but Bernie Sanders does not do anything for personal profit.

Ever.

Oh, unless you count the few thousand dollars he makes each year with his nearly nothing investments.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
23. Oh yes he does. He's a politician.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

He's a good person, as is Hillary, but he's also a politician, trying to get elected. This was purely a campaign decision.

No, it's not about profit, it's about politics. He wants his to associate his name with the Pope's. Why else would he go on the View and lie about it?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
30. He said that he was invited by the pope, and was going to meet the pope.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

That's not true, and he knew that it wasn't true when he said "yes." Also, the whole reason that the host of the View thought that he had been invited by the pope is because someone from the Bernie camp falsely told them that.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
71. And Hillary said she landed under sniper fire
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

and claimed this for a long time ... do yo really want to start playing the '(s)he lied' game? You will lose, badly.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
94. Hilllary and Bernie are not of the same thread
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

please stop equating them as that way. She is not a good person or even a good democrat. Good democrats do not aid wal- mart in keeping wages low. good democrats do not support bad trade deals. good democrats do not support the private prison lobby. Good democrats do not support the pollution of our water through fracking. Not even fucking close!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
123. At least she actually IS a Democrat. Bernie is
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:19 AM
Apr 2016

a Socialist who jumped aboard the Democratic Party's ship when it was convenient for him to do so, notjhing more. I'm voting for the Democrat.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
28. I thought he wasn't going to give a speech
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

but I guess that was false information generated by the HRC side.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
39. How about Hillary and Bill and the SS we are paying for Both along with
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

Offices for Bill as a Presidential Perk and the Private Jets that THEY charter? The Campaign pays for the Private Jets...but the rest is our taxdollars.

Who is paying for the flight for Hillary (and Bill?) the two High Donor George Clooney events at his Mansion out in California this weekend, while Bernie is in Rome giving a talk on "Money and Morality" linking up with other like-minded people "Working for Change."

Bernie flew Coach until he got SS Protection, recently. Trump has his own plane and Hillary has always used Chartered private jets.

The contrast couldn't be clearer.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
30. He is doing this for the greater good...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

In the same light that McCain temporarily suspended his campaign for the greater good.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
96. I wonder if that was any more disgusting
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

than her entourage pushing aside commuters on a subway platform so she could cut in line for a photo-op inside a subway car.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
11. I dont think a charter flight is a good idea.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

desperate people do desperate things and I don't put anything past his opponent.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
37. jury results
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016
JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:53 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm a Bernie supporter and this is inappropriate
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Clinton is not named, and if she were, it would still not be hideable. Anyone who has paid attention to the "unexplained " deaths of those close to the Clinton would agree with the poster.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stupid post but not hideable. Besides, everyone knows she uses fake suicide

That's a joke.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: You have got to be kidding. This is unbelievable for this website. Bernie supporters should be embarrassed by you.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
80. Alert on the jury results...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

#2 need to come to the attention of the Admins.

Anyone talking up the Clinton Death List doesn't belong at DU.

Sid

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
26. I did hear him make that joke about Al Gore once, yes.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:54 PM
Apr 2016

Seems you two have similar taste in humor.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
75. Not to mention Hillary and her miles. Racking up points & cash
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:42 PM
Apr 2016

Making arms deals, while Bill collects the bonus checks for the foundation. Gotta keep the family fed.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
63. About 3,000 people. He'd have no problem, considering that's just a fraction
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

of his average rally audience. However, since campaign funds can't be used, maybe he'd have to set up a Go Fund Me campaign. Or maybe he'll just pay for it himself, since we all know he makes millions giving speeches to major financial corporations. Or maybe the Vatican agency that invited him will pick up the tab. Or maybe it's something we don't really need to concern ourselves with.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
73. But no "Vatican Agency" actually invited him. His buddy Sachs leaned on Sorono to go behind
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:37 PM
Apr 2016

Archer's back.

That's established.

And Francis? He's off to Lesbos. Can't say as I blame him.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
74. BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:40 PM
Apr 2016

You guys are as obsessed with this trip as the GOPers are with Benghazi. And just as wrong.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
79. Bernie loves to criticize when people don't meet his standards--I'm criticizing him for LYING his
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

ass off, both to MSNBC and to the View.

Sanders flat-out LIED. And damn...lying about the POPE? That takes some moxie! LOL!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
119. It's his .... JUDGMENT. He's displaying POOR JUDGMENT.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:01 AM
Apr 2016

When someone tells obvious lies that can be easily checked, they are not only engaging in mendacity, they are engaging in a shameless display of shit judgment.

He's not ready for higher office, and he never will be.

He might as well enjoy his vacation to Rome on the $27 fans' dime!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
156. It IS a question of discrimination and judgment, yes. Did he
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

seriously think the subterfuge wouldn't be found out?

Meeting with the Pope, my foot.

He's created an awkward international incident by exploiting the papacy for his own political ambitions. Dubious judgment, indeed.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
146. So Sorono DOES NOT report to the Pope?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:42 PM
Apr 2016

Do you have some super secret information no one else knows? Are you a member of the psychic friends network?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
150. NOT in the context of his duties at the Academy, he does NOT.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

As a bishop, he does. But given that the Academy is autonomous, and that is made clear in their bylaws which were created by JP2, there is no nexus when it comes to his responsibilities at the Pontifical Academy.

Cute little insult at the end of your commentary--you're apparently quite proud of your lack of understanding of these rather simple issues, and want everyone to know, perhaps? Well, if they were unclear before, they aren't now!!!


TheSarcastinator
146. So Sorono DOES NOT report to the Pope?
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Do you have some super secret information no one else knows? Are you a member of the psychic friends network?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
46. Ask Hillary & Bill.. Private Charter Jet out to the CLooney Mansion this Weekend..
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

in hopes of Big Donors bags of cash. Bill on the Campaign trail flying around with SS Protection that we Taxpayers are paying for along with his Office for the rest of his life as Presidential Perks.

Hillary gets a Free Campaigner to fly around working in support of her.. on our dime.

 

fighting-irish

(75 posts)
101. You mean bought and paid for
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

Democrats by the Establishment?

No thanks. That is exactly why Bernie's fundraising very well, and his Berniecrats are doing exceptionally well. Tim Casnova is ready remove Wasserman-Schultz from her position as a congresswoman that does not represent her constituents or the Party well.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
112. We know all about the Hillary Clinton Slush errrr... Victory Fund.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016
How Hillary Clinton Bought the Loyalty of 33 State Democratic Parties

<snip>

The idea was to increase how much one could personally donate to Hillary by taking advantage of the Supreme Court ruling 2014, McCutcheon v FEC, that knocked down a cap on aggregate limits as to how much a donor could give to a federal campaign in a year. It thus eliminated the ceiling on amounts spent by a single donor to a presidential candidate.

In other words, a single donor, by giving $10,000 a year to each signatory state could legally give an extra $330,000 a year for two years to the Hillary Victory Fund. For each donor, this raised their individual legal cap on the Presidential campaign to $660,000 if given in both 2015 and 2016. And to one million, three hundred and 20 thousand dollars if an equal amount were also donated in their spouse’s name.

From these large amounts of money being transferred from state coffers to the Hillary Victory Fund in Washington, the Clinton campaign got the first $2,700, the DNC was to get the next $33,400, and the remainder was to be split among the 33 signatory states. With this scheme, the Hillary Victory Fund raised over $26 million for the Clinton Campaign by the end of 2015.

The money was either transferred to the Hillary for America or Forward Hillary PACs and spent directly on the Hillary Clinton Campaign, often paying the salaries and expenses within those groups, or it was moved into the DNC or another Clinton PAC. Some of it was spent towards managing the Hillary merchandise store, where you can buy Hillary T shirts and hats and buttons.

<more>

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
47. So the PEOPLE'S candidate is chartering a private craft for a weekend dash to Roma? With staff?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

That doesn't look so good.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
87. Jetting to Rome in a chartered plane to say a few words about inequality
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

is the kind of thing Team B lives to mock Hillary for.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
91. Huh - when was that? Now jetting to SF for hi-dollar dinners, that I could see.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

But that influence peddling does raise big moneys for the party, so there is that.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
157. Can't wait for the mocking SNL skit taking the Mickey out of his
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

"meeting with the Pope" and his "10 min. mini-talk".

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
66. I wonder if the Secret Service watches the watchers?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

seems akin to stalking, or some other form of hysteria building psychosis
some sort of religious intolerance?
I would rent some dignity and and grace to maybe up your chances at the ballot box.

I think the Clinton legacy will be nothing but the memories left of this campaign.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
68. Oh noooooesssssss
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

Yes, you broke the code.

The secret plan was to use illegal campaign funds but now you have ruined it. You figured it out. my goodness that was fast. Did you call a press conference yet to let the world know how brilliant you are?

Make sure you call Rush and Hannity and faux and friends and let them know you have the insider information they needed to bring the whole campaign down.


drray23

(7,627 posts)
115. Well he does have about 10 millions
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

Of illegal campaign fund that the fec has been asking him explanations for.

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
141. No, he doesn't
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:06 AM
Apr 2016

I have actually answered that bullshit meme:
Sanders campaign started in April 2015. In this Politico story, the campaign stated they had raised $13.7 million from April 30th to June 30.

"76 percent of the Vermont senator’s donations were $200 or less, amounting to just under $10.5 million of the $13.7 his campaign raised through the end of June.
The $15.2 million comes from a transfer of $1.5 million from his Senate campaign committee.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-campaign-finance-fec-15-million-2016-120164

There were several stories and campaign announcements regarding the amount that matches the report:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/politics/bernie-sanders-fundraising/

Campaign Finance Institute has two charts that support the reported numbers:
Here: http://www.cfinst.org/pdf/federal/president/2016/Table1_Rec-Cash.pdf

And here:
http://www.cfinst.org/pdf/federal/president/2016/Table2_Individual%20Donors.pdf

So nothing odd. Nothing that has not been in print for almost a year.
At the end of the day, nothing more "mysterious" but a staffer making a mistake in the paperwork.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
83. That shouldn't be surprising since he has Secret Service protection
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:50 PM
Apr 2016

He was never flying commercial. With the debate ending at 11pm, he should be able to take off by midnight landing in Rome around 2:30pm - 3pm. Tight squeeze to get to the Vatican, but I'm sure he'll be accommodated if he arrives a little late. I wonder if he's staying through the rest of the event on 16 April.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
102. It's put to rest already.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:29 PM
Apr 2016

There is no issue here. There never has been.

It's not like you have any reason to be THIS obsessed with stopping Bernie.

If your candidate is really that much better, she'll win on the merits.

You don't need to stoop to this.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
107. For all those BSers that have bashed the Catholic Church and the Pope..
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:43 PM
Apr 2016

.....your multiple $27 donations are being spent well.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
114. That's really deep. You should blog or something.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe ask mom for your very own computer first.

Nanjeanne

(4,959 posts)
108. I'm sure he is doing whatever he is supposed to be doing.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:47 PM
Apr 2016

Since Clintonites aren't giving to his campaign, why are they so concerned? Has anyone asked Hillary how she is getting to George!s house for the glitzy fundraiser!

Who cares? I don't care how Hill gets around. Why the obsession with Bernie's transport. Seems kind of creepy for people to spend so much time thinking about someone they profess has no chance at the Presidency.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
110. Wow, you guys are pretty damn close to stalking Bernie.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:51 PM
Apr 2016

Is there any area of his daily like that you haven't taken a fine tooth comb to?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
118. You should contact Bernie's campaign and ask them if it's an official event.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:48 PM
Apr 2016

But, that isn't really what you are concerned about because if it was you would have already done it and had the answer to report.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
137. You're powerless in this situation, so who really cares what sort of shit you want to stir.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:35 AM
Apr 2016

He's going to the Vatican to speak. The fucking liar isn't.

Further questions? Good.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
149. You've all been previously obsessed with Sanders being a secret millionaire, so
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:53 PM
Apr 2016

I imagine he'll be footing the bill himself. Maybe, rather than direct your question to a bunch of strangers on a political forum who are unlikely to have access to Bernie's checkbook, you should email the Sanders campaign and ask them if this is that huge a concern in your life.

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
151. I feel this trip is important. Charter necessary? Go for it.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

The anti-Bernie supporters will find some stupid reason to make political hay out of a non-issue.

I hope his trip goes well. We need to support any endeavors that may help all of us to understand the position of others. Whatever Bernie learns, however he spreads his message is a good thing for anyone.

PS, I'm not Catholic, in fact, I don't profess to any religion but respect the Pope and the office of the Vatican.

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
152. I'm glad Bernie has this opportunity
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

to speak to other world leaders on the topic of income inequality. It clearly is a topic that is very near and dear to him. Maybe the sharing of ideas with other world leaders will help pave a path forward to a world where the top 1% does not control 50% of the world's wealth.

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