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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:13 PM Apr 2016

This Delaware Address Is Home to 200,000 SHELL Companies—INCLUDING Hillary Clinton’s




The address “1209 North Orange Street” in Wilmington, Del., has become known in recent years as the epicenter of U.S. corporate secrecy. The squat, split-level building is the official address of over 285,000 companies, many of which are looking to take advantage of Delaware’s Panama-like secrecy rules, tax incentives, and business-friendly case law.

In the wake of the recent “Panama Papers” scandal, this unassuming brick office has received renewed scrutiny from the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Telegraph, and advocates for corporate tax reform.

But one of its tenants may come as a surprise—a company owned by Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

Hillary and Bill Clinton quietly set up two shell companies listed at “1209 North Orange Street” in 2008 and 2013, the Washington Free Beacon has found. The names of the companies, but not their location, were first made public in tax filings released by Hillary Clinton last year.

According to records, one of the Clintons’ “1209 North Orange Street” companies is WJC, LLC, which was set up by Bill Clinton in 2008 as a pass-through for his consulting fees.


Another company at the same location, ZFS Holdings, LLC, was set up in February 2013, one week after Hillary Clinton left the State Department. Hillary Clinton received $5.5 million from her book publisher, Simon & Schuster, through the company.

The “1209 North Orange Street” building is the headquarters for the Corporation Trust Company. The firm acts as a registered agent for thousands of corporations that are not actually located in Delaware, including the Clintons’ companies.

Anti-secrecy advocates say the building is prime evidence that Delaware has become a corporate haven that’s comparable to more well-known, offshore locales.

“If you imagined a building with 1,000 corporations in it, you’d imagine a building like the Empire State building,” said Richard Phillips, a senior policy analyst with Citizens for Tax Justice. “But apparently 285,000 companies claim [1209 North Orange Street] is their address.”

“What this shows is this is not really the address of companies that are doing real business. This is the address of a lot of companies that are just shell companies,” he added. “In this case, it doesn’t even look like they have mailboxes. They just claim that address as the places they’re doing business, even though they’re not doing business there.”

Similar registered agents have come under scrutiny in recent years. While campaigning in 2008, President Obama slammed the “Ugland House,” a five-story building in the Cayman Islands that is reportedly home to over 18,000 companies.

“That’s either the biggest building in the world, or the biggest tax scam on record,” said Obama.

The Clinton campaign declined to comment on why the Clintons, who live in New York and have no evident residential ties to Delaware, set up companies in the state. But the presidential candidate isn’t alone. Experts say Delaware is the most popular place to register a company in the United States, due in part to its established system of business case law and tax incentives for intellectual property and real estate holdings.

One of the biggest draws may be the state’s lack of disclosure requirements—businesses can be created completely anonymously, allowing the owners to avoid public detection and even hide income from U.S. authorities.
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This Delaware Address Is Home to 200,000 SHELL Companies—INCLUDING Hillary Clinton’s (Original Post) Segami Apr 2016 OP
Why do the Clintons need a few shell companies? Segami Apr 2016 #1
THAT is a great Question. Octafish Apr 2016 #57
But That IN FACT Did Not Happen-See Her Consolidated Income Tax Returns Stallion Apr 2016 #59
Thanks. What else is out there that we don't know about? Octafish Apr 2016 #60
It Appears Those LLCs are Simply Common Pass Through Entities Since Revenue is Recognized .... Stallion Apr 2016 #61
Thank you. Appreciate the details. Octafish Apr 2016 #68
Funny... I JUst Put Up The Very Same Post/Story/Link... And It Was HIDDEN! HOW DOES THAT WORK? CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #2
why was it hidden? I don't understand nt TheDormouse Apr 2016 #3
EXACT SAME THING AND MINE WAS HIDDEN... I FIND THIS UNFAIR... DARE I SAY... UNDEMOCRATIC? CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #5
Don't sweat it. TM99 Apr 2016 #30
A Concise description My Friend! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #63
Luck of the draw.....I have NO intentions of hiding this post. Segami Apr 2016 #6
I Am Not Asking For Your Post To Be Hidden... I Am Asking WHY MY Exact Same Post Was Hidden? CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #9
My Post Had 5 recs Right Off The Bat Too! Trollers for Hillary? CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #10
You definitely got a biased jury CN. MO is classic bury/hide these facts asap. nc4bo Apr 2016 #18
If it was hidden you should have received jury results. Agschmid Apr 2016 #20
Skinner has promised to remove posters from jury duty who vote in a nakedly partisan manner to hide JimDandy Apr 2016 #23
My Post Was Exactly The Same As THIS One! Here is The Alert W/ Link... CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #64
The source - that is a source that generally is not trusted for anything dbackjon Apr 2016 #71
THEY Must Be Embarrassed... Now The Entire Post Is Hidden, No Comments Seen... 18 Recs! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #77
Your post now has 9 rec's. edgineered Apr 2016 #31
Has 17 Recs Last Count! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #65
Here Is The Original Post... What Was Wrong With This? CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #78
I can't tell you why or who voted to hide your post... Segami Apr 2016 #11
The link. RiverLover Apr 2016 #13
Clinton's With FIVE Shell companies In Delaware To "Save" On Their Taxes! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #15
As You Know Segami, I Support Most All Of Your Posts! Have Seen Reciprocal Support From You As Well CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #17
Did you put it in the primaries forum? I put something in the general and it was shut Maraya1969 Apr 2016 #12
It Was In The Primaries Because HillBill Is In The Primary! Appropriate I Would Think! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #16
Does anyone who voted to keep xloadiex Apr 2016 #21
The person with the post hidden has a copy of them. Agschmid Apr 2016 #26
post #19 n/t dana_b Apr 2016 #45
I was on that jury (juror #1) dana_b Apr 2016 #19
Double srtandard, I served on a Breitbart sourced post and the opposite ocured Dragonfli Apr 2016 #43
The demographics change continually edgineered Apr 2016 #22
man, they are DESPERATE to make sure that this is hidden dana_b Apr 2016 #24
They know this will hurt! Segami Apr 2016 #28
I have a feeling that "hide" becomes strategy CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #33
yeah, that makes sense dana_b Apr 2016 #34
Expect to see Brian 'Bot-Boy' Fallon bright n' early chirping up a defense making the media rounds Segami Apr 2016 #41
Thanks... Segami Apr 2016 #25
I had a post hidden too that was just a news post Zira Apr 2016 #27
Glad to see this posted, another post was hidden. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #4
When posts like that one get hidden, you KNOW somethin's up. nt cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #8
What gets me is that those who hide it must suspect it's true senz Apr 2016 #40
The "bottom of this" is many think it's "Her turn". cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #42
Then why did you say senz Apr 2016 #44
^^^ Follow the link, give the hidden post a REC. nt edgineered Apr 2016 #29
I did rec 12 840high Apr 2016 #36
Gotta keep that money from filtering down to the Proles through taxes... YUP. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #7
Kick azmom Apr 2016 #14
Kickin' & a Recken' 2banon Apr 2016 #32
Now we post from the Free Beacon Gomez163 Apr 2016 #35
Care to disprove it? 840high Apr 2016 #37
People have been incorporating in Delaware since Christ was a kid. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #38
READ THIS-From a Corporate Attorney and Bernie Sanders Supporter Stallion Apr 2016 #39
READ THIS-From The New York Times and not a random person on reddit chascarrillo Apr 2016 #47
That Was Written in 2012 and Has Nothing to Do with the Clinton Corps Stallion Apr 2016 #48
I'll trust the NYT over some anonymous guy on reddit, or here. Thanks. -nt- chascarrillo Apr 2016 #49
OK But I Just Started a Thread with Link to Clinton's Tax Returns Which Shows Revenue Received ... Stallion Apr 2016 #51
Even though HRC's name has been revealed, I doubt we'll hear the whole story until after election. snowy owl Apr 2016 #46
Actually the real story is available in her tax returns right now. Agschmid Apr 2016 #53
I Just Started a Thread to Make it Easier-They Show Revenues Received from Those LLCs Stallion Apr 2016 #54
I worked for a .com "headquartered" there Recursion Apr 2016 #50
My Fortune 500 company is based there. Agschmid Apr 2016 #52
Right-Since a Corp MAY Be Subject to Tax in Other States Its Authorized to Transact Business In Stallion Apr 2016 #55
Is this new information? I never knew this before. Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #56
No The Corporations are Listed in Her Consolidated Income Tax Returns Stallion Apr 2016 #58
So she and bill don't have shell companies "headquartered" in Delaware? Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #69
What are you trying to evade and/or avoid? Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #62
And you would be wrong. dbackjon Apr 2016 #72
if the mods don't bring this up thurs restorefreedom Apr 2016 #66
Of course they won't. Unfortunately, neither will Bernie himself. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #80
Time for a little KICK nt edgineered Apr 2016 #67
kick amborin Apr 2016 #70
This is why public trust is vital felix_numinous Apr 2016 #73
K & R ALittleBirdie Apr 2016 #74
ironic how someone is asking if Bernie ever paid NY state income taxes lol TheDormouse Apr 2016 #75
K&R TheDormouse Apr 2016 #76
kick for visibility Snarkoleptic Apr 2016 #79

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
57. THAT is a great Question.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:24 AM
Apr 2016

Other people use shell companies for perfectly legitimate reasons, like to hide their holdings from creditors and to dodge taxes.

Stallion

(6,477 posts)
59. But That IN FACT Did Not Happen-See Her Consolidated Income Tax Returns
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:33 AM
Apr 2016

which include revenue from the entities listed in article

Stallion

(6,477 posts)
61. It Appears Those LLCs are Simply Common Pass Through Entities Since Revenue is Recognized ....
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:43 AM
Apr 2016

on their individual returns. I'm an attorney not an accountant. But I bet there are probably some accountants that can fill in with some additional information. If they were trying to hide something they probably wouldn't have set them up as pass through entities

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
68. Thank you. Appreciate the details.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

Shell companies bring me flashbacks.

As a newspaper reporter during the early 90s, I helped document how one Michigan Savings & Loan was hijacked by crooks connected to the GOP, the DEMs, and the Mafia. The Houston journalist-author Pete Brewton chronicled the time, nationally.

At our local S&L -- the connected would show up for a "commercial" loan and all they'd have to do for collateral was show a deed to a high-rise as theirs. The fact that the actual owner's name was hidden by White-Out and was still visible on the photocopy really was no problem. In this example, a guy got $6.5 million to start a business he had no intention of starting.

After cashing the check, the fella distributed the cash to his hidden partners who disappeared the dough to the Caymans and beyond. When the original guy couldn't pay the loan back, he declared bankruptcy. No problem for the S&L, though, as the money would be put back into the S&L's accounts, thanks to the U.S. taxpayer backing the FSLIC.

It was Buy Partisan legalized bank robbery, conducted by cronies of politicians, independents and the Mafia. The S&L lootings went on across the country, costing taxpayers about a trillion bucks. At the time, it was the biggest bank heist in history.

Background from the 1980s:

Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nation s S&Ls for Power and Profit

Modern version 2008:

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

Here's a good summary of why I still try:

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

They have gotten away with lying America into war; made fortunes unimagined in scale and scope from laws they helped write and enact; created an economic system based on finance rather than production of material wealth in which those of us still able and qualified for indentured servitude will march into their new world as submissive serfs. When I see the current leadership doing favors for and business with Wall Street and Swiss banks, I got to wonder.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
2. Funny... I JUst Put Up The Very Same Post/Story/Link... And It Was HIDDEN! HOW DOES THAT WORK?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

Seems like a bit of BS is going on here... Kill the messenger... Or Source? If The Story is true... Then It IS TRUE No matter what the source is! Are you going to hide THIS OP? I think that my "hide" should be rescinded!

Raising a question here... Response?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
5. EXACT SAME THING AND MINE WAS HIDDEN... I FIND THIS UNFAIR... DARE I SAY... UNDEMOCRATIC?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

HOW IS IT THAT MY EXACT SAME POST WAS HIDDEN?

CAN ANYONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT... THE RATIONALE... SEEMS MAYBE "SELECTIVE?"

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
30. Don't sweat it.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:52 PM
Apr 2016

I can get insults and called a hypocrite all day.

Then I say a Clinton support is, and my post is juried by the same guy I said it about instead of debating me.

Yes, it is selective. Yes, it is a game. Yes, this site is biased towards Clinton and her supporters even though the majority are Sanders voters.

Such is life in the New Dem universe.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
63. A Concise description My Friend!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:20 AM
Apr 2016

That is it... "babies" incapable of debating... Get all flummuxed when faced with FACTS!

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
6. Luck of the draw.....I have NO intentions of hiding this post.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

Its pertinent info regarding current claims and positions of Hillary Clinton....

Why should it be hidden?.....Has David Brock now purchased DU?


CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
10. My Post Had 5 recs Right Off The Bat Too! Trollers for Hillary?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

I would appreciate an explanation... from an authority figure... such as the case may be...

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
18. You definitely got a biased jury CN. MO is classic bury/hide these facts asap.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

I see no reason to hide facts.

Hopefully Segami's post will get a fairer jury.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
20. If it was hidden you should have received jury results.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

Those are essentially an "explanation". But it's the luck of the draw sometimes.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
23. Skinner has promised to remove posters from jury duty who vote in a nakedly partisan manner to hide
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

posts which are clearly legitimate.

Make sure he is aware of your hide.

ETA: you linked to a RW source, hence the hide.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
64. My Post Was Exactly The Same As THIS One! Here is The Alert W/ Link...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:22 AM
Apr 2016

A Single Delaware Address is Home to 200,000 Shell Companies... Hmm... What's That About?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511710495

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Source: Washington Free Beacon. Should be an automatic hide on DU.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:51 PM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: sorry - the level of journalism has disappeared on both sides. Freebeacon, Daily News Bin, Daily Beast. This one is no worse than any of the others.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have never seen a more ridiculous attempt to censor information for the matter that it is inconvenient or embarrassing.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: RW propaganda site
Per Wiki: The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf called the Free Beacon's stated mission "decadent and unethical." Media Matters for America founder David Brock sent a letter to news organizations in 2014 saying, "If credible media outlets regard the unethical practices of The Free Beacon as valid, all of journalism will be debased."
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION

You will no longer be able to participate in this discussion thread, and you will not be able to start a new discussion thread in this forum until 11:51 PM. This hidden post has been added to your <a href="/?com=profile&uid=315041&sub=trans">Transparency page</a>.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
71. The source - that is a source that generally is not trusted for anything
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:56 AM
Apr 2016

If you see something from them, google the story and get a different source.

Really it is that simple. No conspiracy at all.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
77. THEY Must Be Embarrassed... Now The Entire Post Is Hidden, No Comments Seen... 18 Recs!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

Seems there is a "skew" toward protecting the Hillary Clinton image from tarnish by incoming FACTS AND TRUTH!



http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511710495

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
65. Has 17 Recs Last Count!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:26 AM
Apr 2016

The Person Who Alerted Should Show Who They Are In This Case! Show A Little Courage!

Be accountable when you err! Just because the source is not approved by you, does not mean if the facts are intact that a post should be hidden.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
78. Here Is The Original Post... What Was Wrong With This?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

Title: A Single Delaware Address is Home to 200,000 Shell Companies... Hmm... What's That About?


— Including 2 of Hillary and Bill Clinton’s ....imagine that...

"Hillary and Bill Clinton quietly set up two shell companies listed at “1209 North Orange Street” in 2008 and 2013, the Washington Free Beacon has found.

The names of the companies, but not their location, were first made public in tax filings released by Hillary Clinton last year.
According to records, one of the Clintons’ “1209 North Orange Street” companies is WJC, LLC, which was set up by Bill Clinton in 2008 as a pass-through for his consulting fees.



Another company at the same location, ZFS Holdings, LLC, was set up in February 2013, one week after Hillary Clinton left the State Department. Hillary Clinton received $5.5 million from her book publisher, Simon & Schuster, through the company."


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/single-delaware-address-home-200000-shell-companies-including-2-hillary-clintons/#7YaBc8s6QZIkXiYy.99

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
11. I can't tell you why or who voted to hide your post...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016

It definitely doesn't pass the sniff test CorporatistNation.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
13. The link.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Apr 2016

No Hillary ass-kissing media outlet would dare be one of the first to report on this. I'm guessing your link was visible, unlike this OP and it was RW.

Regardless, its good its getting out there.

The Clintons are corrupt on countless levels. People should know, even if its difficult for them to accept.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
15. Clinton's With FIVE Shell companies In Delaware To "Save" On Their Taxes!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

[b]The Clintons are using 5 shell companies to save on taxes in Delaware

The Clintons and their family foundation have at least five shell companies registered to the address 1209 North Orange Street in Wilmington, Delaware — which is also home to some 280,000 other companies who use the location to take advantage of the state's low taxes, limited disclosure requirements, and other business incentives. Two of the five are tied to Bill and Hillary Clinton specifically. One, WJC, LLC, is used by the former president to collect his consulting fees. The other, ZFS Holdings, LLC, was used by the former secretary of state to process her $5.5 million book advance from Simon & Schuster. Three additional shell companies belong to the Clinton Foundation.


There is nothing illegal about the Clintons' decision to take advantage of Delaware's tax laws. However, on the campaign trail last week, Hillary Clinton criticized the "super-rich" who use "outrageous tax havens and loopholes" to pay fewer taxes. She pledged that, as president, she would "shut down the so-called private tax system for the mega-wealthy," including legal tax avoidance activities, in order to "make sure that everyone pays their fair share here in America." Bonnie Kristian

http://theweek.com/speedreads/617761/clintons-are-using-5-shell-companies-save-taxes-delaware

I hope this link has enough journalistic integrity for some.

It's so funny that people are obsessed with Jane and Bernie's taxes (for a few hundred thousand) but this is A-ok. This is proof she is not going to change any of this!

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
17. As You Know Segami, I Support Most All Of Your Posts! Have Seen Reciprocal Support From You As Well
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

Thanks!

Maraya1969

(22,753 posts)
12. Did you put it in the primaries forum? I put something in the general and it was shut
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016

down because it was supposed to be in the "Primaries" So I put it in the Primaries and it was shut down there.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
21. Does anyone who voted to keep
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

have a copy of the jury results? I would be interested in seeing if any reasons were given for the hide.

I wasn't on this jury. Funny, I haven't been called for almost a month.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
19. I was on that jury (juror #1)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

On Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:47 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

A Single Delaware Address is Home to 200,000 Shell Companies... Hmm... What's That About?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511710495

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Source: Washington Free Beacon. Should be an automatic hide on DU.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:51 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: sorry - the level of journalism has disappeared on both sides. Freebeacon, Daily News Bin, Daily Beast. This one is no worse than any of the others.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have never seen a more ridiculous attempt to censor information for the matter that it is inconvenient or embarrassing.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: RW propaganda site
Per Wiki: The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf called the Free Beacon's stated mission "decadent and unethical." Media Matters for America founder David Brock sent a letter to news organizations in 2014 saying, "If credible media outlets regard the unethical practices of The Free Beacon as valid, all of journalism will be debased."
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
43. Double srtandard, I served on a Breitbart sourced post and the opposite ocured
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:30 AM
Apr 2016
From a poster with a 15 hide history of shit stirring, want to see those results?

I don't think Sanders is going to Rome..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511708064

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

known serial crap starter with well over a dozen hides, now is using a Breitbart article to stir the crap yet again

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:54 PM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No TOS, even if I wish there were. Using Breitbart news is really unfortunate, grasping at it to support ones political objective is unfortunate.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Let people discuss this. There's no need to hide it. Y'know, both Bernie and Francis want a better world. Hillary, not so much it seems.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: if bernie people are going to post crap about hillary they should be able to take it from them
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh noes, someone disagreed with Sanders! To the alert stations!

I was the only one that voted to hide it, right wing source means nothing if you are a Hillary supporter with 15 hides under your belt.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
22. The demographics change continually
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

As can be seen by the comments on this alert, the current population is sick of the stupid:

On Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This Delaware Address Is Home to 200,000 SHELL Companies—INCLUDING Hillary Clinton’s
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511710720

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Source: Washington Free Beacon (interesting notice no link this time). This post was already hidden, http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511710495 this shit has no place on DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:19 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Honestly, choosing to alert instead of trashing a thread or putting someone on your IL indicates the alerter doesn't understand how to accept differences of opinion.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm tired of this McCarthyism -- and that's what it is when someone attacks the source in lieu of addressing the substance. If this statement is false, refute it. If it's taken out of context, provide the additional facts. If it's true, provide your explanation or commentary.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Regardless of source, true or not true? If a candidate is saying they will make corporations and people pay taxes, and they shelter their own, isn't that good to know?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
24. man, they are DESPERATE to make sure that this is hidden
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:40 PM
Apr 2016

and that no one knows what HYPOCRITES the Clintons are.

Too late. It's been well tweeted.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
33. I have a feeling that "hide" becomes strategy
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

when articles and issues arise, for which there is not yet concrete guidance on how to spin it. ...if you catch my drift.

Tomorrow is another day and I'm sure fresh talking points will be ready to go by mid-day.




dana_b

(11,546 posts)
34. yeah, that makes sense
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

they go to their corner, say that we're pathetic and desperate, and then come out tomorrow with stupid attacks.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
41. Expect to see Brian 'Bot-Boy' Fallon bright n' early chirping up a defense making the media rounds
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:21 AM
Apr 2016


 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
27. I had a post hidden too that was just a news post
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

from a UK paper - 3 paragraphs and the link.

Guess Hillarians didn't like it that it was anti hillary.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
40. What gets me is that those who hide it must suspect it's true
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

and yet ... they want this person to attain the most powerful elected office in the world.

What do they have against the American people that they would do this to us?

Something is very, very wrong. How can we get to the bottom of it?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
42. The "bottom of this" is many think it's "Her turn".
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:25 AM
Apr 2016

And by "Her" I don't necessarily mean Hillary. They're stuck with Hillary, but she's a she.

Stallion

(6,477 posts)
39. READ THIS-From a Corporate Attorney and Bernie Sanders Supporter
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

As a litigation attorney with 30 years of experience its pretty spot on. This is a laughable series of articles that originated in right wing papers without any substance. I've posted several other comments in the several threads on this issues but getting tired of responding to the ridiculous assertions in these threads. No attorney would find this of any legal substance-PERIOD. Its simply a commercial registered agent that provides essentially a mailbox within a state in order to facilitate the service of legal documents within a state. ALL THESE THREADS should be hidden because they are insinuating unethical conduct on purely common business practices that is designed to COMPLY-not DISREGARD state law. The Comments to the article suggest that Reddit's posters maybe a tad more business sophisticated than the DU crowd because there are plenty of confirming comments from other attorneys and persons knowledgeable about corporate affairs


https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4eb8dr/this_delaware_address_is_home_to_200000_shell/d1yle3w

Stallion

(6,477 posts)
48. That Was Written in 2012 and Has Nothing to Do with the Clinton Corps
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:43 AM
Apr 2016

except that they share a common commercial registered agent and registered agent. The tax returns of these Clinton corporations are posted on-line.

Stallion

(6,477 posts)
51. OK But I Just Started a Thread with Link to Clinton's Tax Returns Which Shows Revenue Received ...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:05 AM
Apr 2016

from these LLCs and other sources

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
46. Even though HRC's name has been revealed, I doubt we'll hear the whole story until after election.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:34 AM
Apr 2016

Money has it's privileges.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
50. I worked for a .com "headquartered" there
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:03 AM
Apr 2016

Always seemed kind of silly since we still had to pay business taxes for actually operating in Virginia.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
52. My Fortune 500 company is based there.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:12 AM
Apr 2016

Obviously not really "mine" but my employer, though I do own some stock.

Stallion

(6,477 posts)
55. Right-Since a Corp MAY Be Subject to Tax in Other States Its Authorized to Transact Business In
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:17 AM
Apr 2016

which is different than state of incorporation. Need a registered agent and registered address (such as CT Corp) in those states too

Stallion

(6,477 posts)
58. No The Corporations are Listed in Her Consolidated Income Tax Returns
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:31 AM
Apr 2016

this is a ridiculous thread with posters with limited knowledge of common business practices jumping to uneducated conclusions

 

Arizona Roadrunner

(168 posts)
62. What are you trying to evade and/or avoid?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:53 AM
Apr 2016

There is only one reason you register in Delaware instead of a State you live in. You are trying to evade or avoid something. They really know how to relate to the average person.......

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
72. And you would be wrong.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

Main reason most companies register in DE has little to do with tax avoidance. It is the corporate legal structure that is the attraction.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
66. if the mods don't bring this up thurs
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:32 AM
Apr 2016

which since its cnn of course they wont, bernie has to. she will blow and it will all come out on national tv

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
73. This is why public trust is vital
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:00 PM
Apr 2016

the public will gift the benefit of the doubt if someone proves they are trustworthy, but if it is lost it is natural for people to be suspicious. They make their own hell.

Snarkoleptic

(6,003 posts)
79. kick for visibility
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

One would think that, out of an abundance of caution, those in the political sphere would go to great lengths to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

The appearance of impropriety is a phrase referring to a situation which to a layperson without knowledge of the specific circumstances might seem to raise ethics questions. For instance, although a person might regularly and reliably collect money for her employer in her personal wallet and later give it to her employer, her putting it in her personal wallet may appear improper and give rise to suspicion, etc. It is common business practice to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_of_impropriety
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