2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Hillary's footdragging on releasing the TRANSCRIPTS is concerning
Simply because, it's being talked about around the world!!!
Her emails along with the transcripts show, she is one of the least transparent politicians ever.
That, is why it is so concerning.
The IRS has Bernie's taxes....don't you worry about that. Again, the IRS has the Sanders taxes over the years.
No one but secretive Hillary, has her transcripts.
Hillary, release them now. The people (less your supporters) demand it.
Vinca
(53,994 posts)She's probably got armed guards on the Wall Street transcripts.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Thus, by extension, whatever she tells those with lots of money is something she doesn't want those without much money to know about.
Why would Goldman Sachs, UBS, etc pay anyone $225,000 an hour?
global1
(26,507 posts)Have the cable news networks made mention of the white noise?
Faux pas
(16,356 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)they want to keep their own words and communications completely out of the public's eye, but they are the first to promote the surveillance of ordinary citizens. I hate these people with a passion of a thousand suns.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)I'll save that physical action to stop her.
Mudcat
(179 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Their just paying it forward
Tarc
(10,601 posts)Clinton isn't "foot-dragging", she has no intention or desire to release them at all. It isn't even on the radar anymore.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)over this shit.
Again, you show your own tone deafness, matching that of the campaign. It's not just Sander's supporters. Ignore at your own peril. You don't hold your candidate accountable, for if you did, she'd probably be a better candidate. You work FOR her, not WITH her.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)But Donald did it too!!
http://www.wdam.com/story/31692142/the-latest-trump-denounces-rigged-gop-delegate-system
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/clinton-trump-paid-speeches-transcripts-article-1.2594745
http://www.koaa.com/story/31692141/the-latest-clinton-offers-condition-for-transcript-release
Clinton would not budge when asked why she does not disclose transcripts or recordings of the paid speeches she has made to Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street firms and special interests, typically for $225,000 per speech. T State of the State Ks http://stateofthestateks.com/2016/04/12/string-of-victories-for-bernie-sanders/
http://stateofthestateks.com/2016/04/12/string-of-victories-for-bernie-sanders/
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/04/hillary-not-happy-when-asked-about-transcripts-to-wall-street-luncheon-speeches/
Tarc
(10,601 posts)A conservative blog and the seventh blurb down the page on a local news site?
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Tarc
(10,601 posts)Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)If i had more time to waste on this foolishness, i could post more. Just google 'clinton transcripts' click News and 24 hours. Seems they just can't kill this issue, no matter how dismissive certain posters here behave.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)by the Atlantic.
This is what Camp Sanders has devolved into; a regurgitator of right-wing invective. What next, Brietbart? NewsMax?

Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)This is why the campaign is tanking. Hillary couldn't get good advice if she looked for it, outside of her inner circle.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)Is today Opposites Day?
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)Definite twilight zone
Dem2
(8,178 posts)Is there no self-awareness of those who are trying to slander and destroy one of our Democratic candidates?
Is DU essentially reddit/politics now where right-wing sources are massively upvoted because they are attempting to push Hillary out for what they perceive as an easier candidate to beat?
This isn't how we're supposed to do it on our side.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)global1
(26,507 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)
Do you want to be made a fool of. She is asking you to vote for her. Don't you want to know she is not saying one thing to you and saying something completely different to Goldman Sachs? If so - she's making a fool of you. Your defending her and yet you don't know if she is being straight with you.
Don't you think that she needs to release those transcripts to prove that she is not jerking your chain?
If she doesn't release them one can assume that she is trying to hide something that she doesn't want you to find out.
That's not being very trustworthy. So how could you justify giving your precious vote to her?
American's have died to give you that precious 'Right To Vote' - all I'm asking you is to not squander it without being sure that you are not being taken advantage of.
Don't go into this with blind faith. Trust, but Verify.
That's all I'm trying to do as I may be in a position to vote for Hillary myself.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)" That's all I'm trying to do as I may be in a position to vote for Hillary myself. "
Indeed - Unless undermining the party is part of their plan.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Please stop caring about the transcripts.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Republicans by another name
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2banon
(7,321 posts)the fact that no one in the Hillary Camp cares about those transcripts say a great deal more about who support her than any political ad could possibly express quite as well.
Not a very enlightened segment of our electorate, to say the least.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...you'd think she'd have a vested interest in winning them over on at least something.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Why would people pay to hear someone talk, when they can just read the transcripts? Basically, Sanders is upset that he was never popular enough to be paid to give speeches. This is not something involving 'transparency' as there is no precedent, moral or ethical standard where anyone ever has released private event transcripts.
I think you are confusing this with politicians releasing their tax returns. Oh yeah, has Sanders released his yet?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)kinds need to know......ya think?
Biggest bailout and criminal activity to take down the U.S. economy. Now she speaks to them in private for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Not the same....I'd give her a pass, if our tax dollars were not used, and a bunch of them went to jail. That didn't happen, so what are they up to next? Have to ask cuz we can't trust them.
Only Hillary knows!
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Basically, you just want to know because you are curious? Not only Hillary knows, the hundreds of people she spoke to know as well, and apparently it was boring enough that no one remembers.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)who didn't give paid speeches. (And it's not because of some 'holier than thou' stance, if he was popular enough he would have readily taken paid gigs, even - just as Hillary did - to give the money to charity.) As soon as the GE starts, it's a non-issue. Besides, why would anyone give in to an opponent that they are beating?
I would bet my bottom dollar that as soon as Sanders is out of this race, he will start giving paid speeches - now that he is a more well-known public figure.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)release them. Every other modern president has given speeches to Wall Street companies and large financial firms. Each has governed in different ways, so there is no direct correlation attributable to these interactions. As long as we have a capitalistic society, this is going to continue.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)because we are insisting that their actions match their words. Change is hard but we are not going away this time.
The corrupt business as usual is no longer accepted.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)conflating something you don't like with something that it is not.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)And i will vote for the person who matches them, not the one who seems to hold opposite positions.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)understand this.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)And the Clinton taxes and how you fund their lifestyle would make you sick....listening to all of the 'no we can't' bullshit'.
dchill
(42,660 posts)Seriously? You're some kind of comedian.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Seems pretty simple to me. And it should be to anyone without blinders on.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)would see the potential conflict. No wonder it escaped you.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Azzholes....
Ring that bell! Smash one Democrat to promote another, such a positive approach to choosing a leader.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)She has no intention of ever releasing them. It could not be more clear. But being the triangulator she is, she will not just say no when she can pretend that she is open to the idea.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)or something....and her caginess, and untrustworthy ways, is the reason for this season, I won't be supporting a Clinton. Not now, not ever. Not even when their lying daughter grows the hell up. Can't wait for that. No more Bush's, and no more Clinton's. This poll has been done.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)You're losing and you hope you can use the transcripts to hurt Hillary so no you aren't going to see them. In a short time soon there won't be a Bernie campaign and then nobody will care about them
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Around the world? No.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)because of not releasing the transcripts, after the bank bailout and economic crash.
Keep saying it's just Bernie. Campaigns don't ignore shit. That's why this is a losing campaign.
Bernie is ahead today, of where he was before MI.
flame out!
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)My 81 year old father voted for Donald Trump. Thankfully that won't have much affect on anyone's campaign nor whether anybody not supporting Bernie Sanders already gives a damn about the transcripts of Hillary's speeches to Wall Street.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Paper Roses
(7,632 posts)Too many questions not answered, too much position change, not enough believable information. Sick of hearing "I'll look into it".
I just don't believe anything will change with her in the White House.
I kept an open mind for a long time. I no longer give her my support. Something new has to be implemented, but it will never come from an Clinton administration.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Wringing hands?
Clutching pearls?
Building outrage?
Must be awful.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Via hillary.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Arizona Roadrunner
(168 posts)Can a tax payer sue Clinton for release of those speeches to Goldman-Sachs? If Goldman-Sachs tax deducted those speeches as an "expense", then it would be interesting to find out if a regular taxpayer has "standing" to sue. This would be based on the "regular" taxpayer paying more in taxes or getting less in services because of the lost revenue to the government due to the $675,000 tax deduction.
This situation is why she stands at between 57% and 59% disapproval rate. Her lack of perceived "honesty" makes her a VERY flawed candidate. Frankly, if she were to get elected, if Republicans retain control of the Senate and House, they will file impeachment charges on day one, and there will a transaction by transaction investigations of her and Bill's speeches, their "foundation" and ties to decisions made while she was Secretary of State such as the Swiss bank UBS situation.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/
The bottom line is there are too many risks for her getting elected let alone being allowed to govern due in large part to the and Bill's actions. Is it true they registered corporations in Delaware? If they did, the only reason one does that unless they live in Delaware is to evade and/or avoid something.