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revbones

(3,660 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:10 PM Apr 2016

What would it take for a Hillary follower to switch to Bernie?

Would he need to lie about being under sniper fire like Hillary did?

Maybe he could lie to unions saying he'd fight the Colombia Free Trade Agreement, only to have it revealed later he lobbied for it like Hillary?

Maybe he could lie about guns in New York being from Vermont, like Hillary did?

Use shell companies like Hillary?

Be involved in an FBI investigation like Hillary?

Mishandled classified information like Hillary?

Negotiate arms deals with countries as they coincidentally donate to an organization he's associated with like Hillary and the Clinton Foundation?

Maybe if he had not been in favor of LGBT rights until 2013 like Hillary did?

What if he had ran a racist campaign against Obama in 2008, but used him as a shield in 2016? Hillary did.

Oh, maybe if he would just cherry-pick some of her votes on complex multi-issue bills to misrepresent her stances? Seemed to work for Hillary with minutemen, the crime bill, and welfare reform.

Refuse to release transcripts of paid speeches that he received millions for? Hillary followers sure seem to like secret speeches.

Maybe crack racist jokes in a scripted skit reviewed and approved by his staff? That seems to endear many Hillary followers to her.

What if instead of getting arrested for protesting segregation, he also skipped marching with King and instead campaigned for Goldwater? Hillary fans seem to like that.

Maybe if he changed his positions on the reg and even one day says he was a moderate, then next day has conservative roots, and the next day said he was progressive - like Hillary did. Would that entice you guys?

Perhaps staging a photo-op in the subway to capitalize on a fake controversy and show he was a man of the people by having his entourage shove a girl away from the subway car she was about to board? Worked for Hillary...

Start a "Victory Fund" to bribe super-delegates and avoid the 2700 donation cap in order to funnel money into his campaign. Seems to be working for Hillary.


Seriously, what would it take? I mean, it looks like Hillary has already done as many lies and corruptions as there are in existence and her followers seem to relish in it. She seems just shy of kicking puppies on camera. What would it take?

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What would it take for a Hillary follower to switch to Bernie? (Original Post) revbones Apr 2016 OP
Well for one metroins Apr 2016 #1
Aw, that's cute. No response to any of the items there.... revbones Apr 2016 #4
But you have to admit it was a tiny bit deeper than the usual pdsimdars Apr 2016 #31
v.true. Doesn't really say much though does it? revbones Apr 2016 #33
I would be willing to bet Sanders has a higher IQ than Hillary. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #12
Iit's the JUDGEMENT that is important. . . you can have a brilliant mind and be a brilliant criminal pdsimdars Apr 2016 #32
I would bet the FARM he does NOT. fun n serious Apr 2016 #52
Hillary's a lawyer, I've never seen her answer a question. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #100
You'd lose the farm. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #107
The Pope hullabaloo fun n serious Apr 2016 #109
Welcome to ignore, Hillbot. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #110
The problem is that Hillary uses her "smarts" to help the Rich Billionaires and turns her rhett o rick Apr 2016 #63
excellent response DrDan Apr 2016 #14
He went from unknown and goven a chance to maybe get 5 percent to... Armstead Apr 2016 #19
No it is not damned good at all metroins Apr 2016 #61
At least he is fighting on the side of the 99%. I don't want a President on the payroll of rhett o rick Apr 2016 #66
"His last chance of running"? Kentonio Apr 2016 #71
I don't believe that at all metroins Apr 2016 #73
That is so wildly bizarre, I genuinely don't know whether you're joking. Kentonio Apr 2016 #88
He wasn't interested in running for president until recently. senz Apr 2016 #113
I'll disagree. metroins Apr 2016 #114
When he decided to run, he entered the race seriously and enthusiastically senz Apr 2016 #116
Curious, which of Hillary's policies is she going to get passed? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #60
Cutting Social Security, perthe Pete Petersen dogwhistle in the first debate n/t eridani Apr 2016 #122
Yeah, they always claim she'll "get things done" but can never answer what those LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #124
I'll agree she is similar to Obama, Go Vols Apr 2016 #70
He wants the people in power again. He wants to push out anyone who doesn't get things done Joob Apr 2016 #97
He has no track record metroins Apr 2016 #98
He hasn't just started, people just noticed him a lot more when he ran for president. Joob Apr 2016 #99
Was Hillary smart enough to know GW Bush would not act in good faith once given authority to invade Martin Eden Apr 2016 #117
This doesn't deserve a response, but here's one anyway: CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #2
Another cute response avoiding all of the items listed. Nice. revbones Apr 2016 #7
You asked what it would take, I answered. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #9
No prob. Didn't expect much of an answer anyway... revbones Apr 2016 #22
So you admit you're not looking for an answer, this is just an opportunity to bash a candidate. randome Apr 2016 #57
No, I admit that "I didn't expect much of an answer" as I said. revbones Apr 2016 #74
It is emotion driven realmirage Apr 2016 #24
Calling me names doesn't change the truth in any item I posted. revbones Apr 2016 #26
Thanks for playing realmirage Apr 2016 #34
If that's wha tyou need to take from this, then have at it. revbones Apr 2016 #75
This guy realmirage Apr 2016 #77
Yes. And it would really be nice if you used any. nt revbones Apr 2016 #79
Your headline realmirage Apr 2016 #84
Such vitriol. Perhaps you should reread. revbones Apr 2016 #87
You do realize... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #36
Crow you are asking a lot realmirage Apr 2016 #53
I agree that I didn't ask for a point by point refutation, however the comment that I responded to revbones Apr 2016 #76
Accusing Hillary supporters of having a mental condition? JoePhilly Apr 2016 #93
Hillary's plans for fixing problems are even more vague Blue Meany Apr 2016 #35
Then you realmirage Apr 2016 #54
Which of Hillary's feasible plans is she going to get passed? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #62
What about just win the Democratic nomination? yallerdawg Apr 2016 #3
I'd switch if he ended up the nominee Godhumor Apr 2016 #5
I'll switch to Bernie if he wins the Democratic nomination. Until then, I'm sticking with Hillary. Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #6
Yup realmirage Apr 2016 #25
Me, too. hamsterjill Apr 2016 #30
Same leftynyc Apr 2016 #64
same here MFM008 Apr 2016 #102
+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #92
Bingo. And the odds of that are close to zero Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #101
It's already happening. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #8
Agreed. revbones Apr 2016 #11
When Bernie concedes realmirage Apr 2016 #28
Non-sequitur. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #40
Pizza is.. realmirage Apr 2016 #48
What do you call it when Republicans back your economic and foreign policies? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #65
Is that what you think? realmirage Apr 2016 #69
Are you aware that Robert Kagen, founder of PNAC, and Henry Kissenger, founder of death squads, are LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #123
here is one for you hollysmom Apr 2016 #10
He'd have to convince me that he's electable, and he'd have to put forth proposals that DanTex Apr 2016 #13
Agreed realmirage Apr 2016 #50
...a conscience. DeGreg Apr 2016 #15
First, he would need to be a democrat for longer than a few months... anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #16
Oh that's one I forgot then. revbones Apr 2016 #21
First condition Met! He has always caucused with the Democrats and is a Democrat re issues+votes Dragonfli Apr 2016 #27
Woudl you call have Kagen and Kissenger as foreign policy advisors and LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #67
For some it would take a medication change. yourout Apr 2016 #17
Simple: he could convince me he'll win the GE... brooklynite Apr 2016 #18
Well for starters ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #20
Ok. I'll take one from your list and you take one from mine. revbones Apr 2016 #23
Easy... she was *warned* there was the possibility... artyteacher Apr 2016 #44
Well, that might be better had she actually said "I was warned there might be sniper fire..." revbones Apr 2016 #78
i think if i was in a plane... artyteacher Apr 2016 #89
Neither one is perfect ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #55
If those are your honest reasons..... Armstead Apr 2016 #37
Programmed? Onlooker Apr 2016 #56
Well, I'm on my way out the door, but maybe I'll rationalize a few for you later Armstead Apr 2016 #58
Not really. They're not really even fact adjacent... nt revbones Apr 2016 #80
Great response! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #94
Good points. nt ecstatic Apr 2016 #120
I believe it's called deprogramming. dchill Apr 2016 #29
Look up the word hack realmirage Apr 2016 #38
Awww.. poor thing. Truth hurts huh? nt revbones Apr 2016 #81
For him to win the nomination? Tarc Apr 2016 #39
A time machine, for Sanders to go back and fix his broken career. nt IamMab Apr 2016 #41
Bernie's career is solid and honorable. He is trusted as a person of integrity. senz Apr 2016 #108
I think everyone should vote for the candidate they prefer. For the reasons they choose. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #42
Hillary would have to be abducted by aliens. nt cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #43
a conscience? critical thinking? a liberal outlook? ANSWER: ANY of the above. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #45
there would have to be a good alternative. eom artyteacher Apr 2016 #46
I don't think I could ever switch... quickesst Apr 2016 #47
Having trolls that are only here to disrupt the site removed. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #49
I thought there was something in the terms of service about calling people names and trolls? revbones Apr 2016 #82
You appear to be the one that keeps egging others on. That is bullying. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #115
I will never vote for Bernie fun n serious Apr 2016 #51
Magically being granted ethics and integrity? LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #59
Him to win the primary. giftedgirl77 Apr 2016 #68
A working brain. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #72
Sanders would have to convince me he's ready for Prime Time and not just offering fantasy promises Hoyt Apr 2016 #83
I agree with Bernie- and not you- either Dem is better than the GOP. bettyellen Apr 2016 #85
More awesome OPs like this one. (nt) Skinner Apr 2016 #86
Awe .. Looks like the outrage factory exploded. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #90
Lol. Too cute. nt revbones Apr 2016 #91
Yeh, winning EIGHT PRIMARIES IN A ROW is SO painful. senz Apr 2016 #106
For Sanders to be in Ge election, having no other choice. seabeyond Apr 2016 #95
Right there's your problem rock Apr 2016 #96
I'll switch over when monkeys fly outta my butt. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2016 #103
To get a spine Politicalboi Apr 2016 #104
His winning the nomination would make me switch. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #105
Umm, common sense? But that might be too heavy a lift. nm floriduck Apr 2016 #111
A newfound respect for honesty and integrity? senz Apr 2016 #112
Big huge campaign donations to their campaign funneled through the DNC? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #118
I was initially a Clinton supporter back in 2008 before switching to Obama ecstatic Apr 2016 #119
Moderate to severe brain damage. okasha Apr 2016 #121

metroins

(2,550 posts)
1. Well for one
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:14 PM
Apr 2016

He'd need a credible chance at winning the nomination, which he doesn't. His campaign strategy was flawed from the beginning, which shows poor leadership. Hillary is 2 million votes ahead and a heck of a lot of delegates ahead.

I could switch to Bernie if I viewed his policies as getting passed and helping down ticket Democrats win the house/senate.

Honestly, Hillary is the smartest person running, which is why I back her. She is similar to Obama.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
31. But you have to admit it was a tiny bit deeper than the usual
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016


which seems to be their answer of choice.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
12. I would be willing to bet Sanders has a higher IQ than Hillary.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:22 PM
Apr 2016

No doubt Hillary is smart, but it's how she uses that trait that is the problem. She uses it for personal enrichment and power. Which would be fine if she admitted she's really a Rockefeller republican.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
32. Iit's the JUDGEMENT that is important. . . you can have a brilliant mind and be a brilliant criminal
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016
 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
52. I would bet the FARM he does NOT.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

LMFAO, that is just laughable. He has a hard time answering questions.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
107. You'd lose the farm.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:32 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary answers every question differently depending on the polls.

Bernie thinks about things and isn't going to give out un-thought out responses. Hillary just says what the audience wants to hear--especially if they pay enough.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
63. The problem is that Hillary uses her "smarts" to help the Rich Billionaires and turns her
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

back on the People.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
19. He went from unknown and goven a chance to maybe get 5 percent to...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

being a very serious contender who has closed the gap very narrowly.

That's 'pretty damned good for a "flawed" campaign.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
61. No it is not damned good at all
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

This was his last chance at running and he has had no credible path to nomination since Super Tuesday. He's never been higher than 15% chance.

Sanders didn't gain any traction until around January. He should've had that momentum in September.

He didn't focus enough on southern large delegate states early. All of the candidates, except Trump, wasted too much time on Iowa. Sanders should've been building in the south.

Sanders has been in politics for 30 years. He should've been building a campaign years ago.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
66. At least he is fighting on the side of the 99%. I don't want a President on the payroll of
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

Goldman-Sachs. The banks ripped off the 99% for close to 5 trillion dollars and nothing has been done about it. Clinton is fine with the status quo which has no way of preventing another "bank failure".

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
71. "His last chance of running"?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:21 PM
Apr 2016

Oh please, there should realistically have never been any opportunity for Bernie Sanders to be president. The fact he's where he is now is an unbelievable achievement.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
73. I don't believe that at all
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

The field was realistically 3.

All he had to do was beat Hillary and O'Malley a much weaker field than Obama had in 2008.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
88. That is so wildly bizarre, I genuinely don't know whether you're joking.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:03 PM
Apr 2016

He was an independent senator with no party support, no money and with an ideology considered by the media to be so wildly extreme (idiotically) that he was treated as a joke candidate. That 'joke candidate' is now damn near level with the most powerful, most connected and most financially supported member of the Democratic Party. That is beyond incredible.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
113. He wasn't interested in running for president until recently.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

Hill acquired a lust/obsession for the White House while living in it as Bill's wife. As soon as she left it, she looked around for an open Senate seat and carpetbagged to New York to snatch it, riding on a famous name and a powerful spouse. After two unremarkable terms marred by the devastating IWR vote, she ran a shockingly dirty campaign against Barack Obama and then finagled SOS from his desire to "keep his enemies even closer." Conducting herself lawlessly and recklessly (personal email server, Libya screwup, special deals for weapons manufacturers and 3rd world countries who stuffed her family coffers with dough), she kept her 2016 candidacy alive by building a personal fortune and a reputation as one who should not be crossed, played power politics all over D.C. until she was considered "inevitable."

Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders, a hardworking, reliable, highly trusted Senator from Vermont, saw a Democratic field dominated by an avowed corporatist and decided to enter in hopes of moving her, and the national discussion, back to the liberal Democratic middle. His refusal to accept superPAC sponsorship meant he had to raise money in small donations from the people, and his anti-corporatist views made him anathema to the MSM, so with no money and no media recognition, he threw his hat in the ring.

What he has done since then, with odds like that, has been remarkable. He is incredibly skillful.

As well as being a person of integrity.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
114. I'll disagree.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

There is a ton of misinformation in your post and the vitriol towards Hillary is unbecoming.

I don't want a President who "wasn't interested".

Bernie continues to solicit donations with the rhetoric that he can win, when clearly he will not be the nominee. He then spends that money attacking Hillary and pays Tad Devine 800k.

It's literally saddens me how Bernie fundraises on the backs of people while lying about his chances.

I'd rather take money from the 1% then from a single mom trying to make ends meet.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
116. When he decided to run, he entered the race seriously and enthusiastically
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

and he is committed to carrying it through. In case you haven't noticed, he is working his ass off -- and he doesn't have millions of dollars with which to purchase aides and surrogates to write up his policies and do his work for him. As he has stated from the beginning, he is running for the purpose of starting a political revolution in this country. He wants to take America back from the very wealthy and multinational corporations who now run it and return it to the people -- as our founders intended.

Bernie's supporters know what an uphill battle it has been, but we send him money because we want him to stay in the race. We believe in what he is doing. If he were to drop out before it's over, most of us would feel cheated.

You write:

It's literally saddens me how Bernie fundraises on the backs of people while lying about his chances.

That statement is profoundly dishonest. Talk about unbecoming. Unlike his opponent, Bernie is not a liar.

The "single moms trying to make ends meet" are sending their $27 to Bernie because they know he cares more about them than about Wall Street billionaires and multinational corporations.

He is very, very different from his opponent and that is why we want him to take this as far as he possibly can -- hopefully to the White House where he will work for the 99% -- and not the 1%.

If you find misinformation in what I write, point it out and refute it with proof.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
124. Yeah, they always claim she'll "get things done" but can never answer what those
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

things are, because they know the only things she can get done are things Republicans favor, like your list above.

Just more deception from the Clinton crowd.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
70. I'll agree she is similar to Obama,
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

who said that if this was the '80s he would be considered a moderate Republican.Raygun was a moderate R.

I didn't care for moderate R's then,nor do I now.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
97. He wants the people in power again. He wants to push out anyone who doesn't get things done
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

with people, by having people vote locally in their states for people who will represent them. He wants to push change through force of the people. We won't expect him to get this done all by himself or with the white house. He's asking that we stand with him and help to change our country by doing what most citizens should be doing. Voting.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
98. He has no track record
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:44 PM
Apr 2016

He's been in politics for 30 years. He's just now starting his "revolution" but hasn't done much of the down ticket work for those 30 years.

I'm just not buying it and I don't believe him.

Joob

(1,065 posts)
99. He hasn't just started, people just noticed him a lot more when he ran for president.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

It actually makes me sad not knowing how long he has been fighting, and then seeing him fighting for us in the past from videos on youtube. Videos of him bringing up the things that we care about today.. And then the saddest part is when everyone walks out on him and he ends up in the room by himself. No one listened. No one cared. He did.

I urge you to watch through any of those videos. actually Here's one, and there are many more.

Martin Eden

(15,631 posts)
117. Was Hillary smart enough to know GW Bush would not act in good faith once given authority to invade
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

Iraq?

Did she know about PNAC, and was she able to see through the LIES being fed to the American people about Saddam being allied with al Qaeda?

Did she have any inkling what would happen after regime change in Iraq ... or Libya ... or Syria?

Which answer is more incriminating:
a) She didn't know about the PNAC agenda and had no idea what could happen after regime change
b) She's very smart and understood all this, but pushed for it anyway

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
2. This doesn't deserve a response, but here's one anyway:
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

What it would take is Bernie giving me plans for solving problems that are better.

If I could look at his proposals for health care, or college, or anything else and not have major questions about if they would even work, let alone how they would pass, I would certainly think about it.

But right now, Bernie's plans have too many questions for me to think they're at all feasible.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
7. Another cute response avoiding all of the items listed. Nice.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

Is it a medical condition that takes hold in these circumstances that prevents a Hillary follower from seeing anything negative about her? that would explain a LOT.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
22. No prob. Didn't expect much of an answer anyway...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

That said, I'm sure we'll see some Hillary followers post some things that are quite untrue, but then that's all they have...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
57. So you admit you're not looking for an answer, this is just an opportunity to bash a candidate.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:00 PM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
74. No, I admit that "I didn't expect much of an answer" as I said.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

Nice try though. lol

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
24. It is emotion driven
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

snide attack dogs like you that ignore Hillary supporters' concerns with Bernies lack of detail that stain Bernies campaign and virtually assure his demise in the primaries to come. You won't vote for Hillary anyway, at least stop trying to help the republicans win

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
26. Calling me names doesn't change the truth in any item I posted.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

Nor does it change that you aren't able to dispute a single one.

But you should feel free to carry on with your head in the sand.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
34. Thanks for playing
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

But your fail is complete. You asked what it would take, but you're not interested in a response. Enjoy your trip back to hackville

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
75. If that's wha tyou need to take from this, then have at it.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

I did ask what it would take. Since you didn't respond to that with anything more than juvenile name-calling I'm sure you'll admit your own complete fail there right?

And you also ignored all the questions in the post as well. I'm sure in addition to believing the sky is purple, that you'll credit yourself a win for that...

rofl.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
84. Your headline
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

Doesn't match your content. That's something you should have learned in grade school. Last attempt to explain it to you. Adios

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
87. Such vitriol. Perhaps you should reread.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:59 PM
Apr 2016

Each is a question as to whether if Bernie would do that, perhaps it might help with Hillary followers since they seem to like that she's done each of those things.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
36. You do realize...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

... you didn't ask for a point by point refutation, right? You asked us what would get us to consider switching to Bernie. They're entirely different questions.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
53. Crow you are asking a lot
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

of a guy who can't connect his headline to the content of his post. I wonder what his middle school writing assignments were like?

"Why frogs have long legs," by revbones

Did you know that frogs are evil creatures that can poison you? In this essay I, revbones, will tell you why they are evil....

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
76. I agree that I didn't ask for a point by point refutation, however the comment that I responded to
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

was just name-calling and ignored both the original question and all the ones listed. So I'm not sure of your point here.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
93. Accusing Hillary supporters of having a mental condition?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:27 PM
Apr 2016

Yea, you're a real liberal.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
35. Hillary's plans for fixing problems are even more vague
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

From what I can see in her position papers, she, like many politicians, has a plan for every problem, each with a few bullet points. But none of the actions she proposes to take appear to me to be equal to the problems they are supposed to solve. Instead, the appear to be a checklist to pander to different consituencies without really changing anything in substantive ways.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. What about just win the Democratic nomination?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

Your OP is merely annoying to Hillary supporters.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
5. I'd switch if he ended up the nominee
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not an idiot, I know what is at stake in November.

Switching during the primary? Not happening.

Arkansas Granny

(32,265 posts)
6. I'll switch to Bernie if he wins the Democratic nomination. Until then, I'm sticking with Hillary.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

hamsterjill

(17,578 posts)
30. Me, too.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

I haven't seen anything yet that makes me believe Hillary will NOT be the nominee, either.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
64. Same
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016

If he gets the nomination I'll vote for him. His supporters here have so completely turned me off him, I wont even consider him in the primary.

Stuckinthebush

(11,203 posts)
101. Bingo. And the odds of that are close to zero
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

But, I agree. If he wins the nomination then I'll gladly vote for him although I can't stand listening to him.

I will fight my ass off for him. Why? Because I'm not an idiot and know that the GOP in power would be catastrophic.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
8. It's already happening.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

Never mind the HRC followers on this site. Your eloquent and logical post is probably lost on them.

Clearly there has been a shift to Sanders. It continues. We can only work for it and hope it will be enough.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
28. When Bernie concedes
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

Let's see if you really do love your country or will let it be destroyed by Cruz. If you think there's no difference, you really know nothing about politics

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
48. Pizza is..
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

delicious when birds are flying. That's a non sequitur.

My post, on the other hand, makes perfect sense. When Bernie loses, support any democrat to save the country from 8 more years of republican destruction

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
69. Is that what you think?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:18 PM
Apr 2016

if you believe that then someone has really washed your brain good. Go online now and research it. You'll be amazed

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
123. Are you aware that Robert Kagen, founder of PNAC, and Henry Kissenger, founder of death squads, are
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

amongst her foreign policy advisors? You can't get any more Republican that that.

Are you aware that Blankfein and Dimon are amongst her financial backers? You can't get any more Republican than that.

Now, go online and research these things rather than:

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
13. He'd have to convince me that he's electable, and he'd have to put forth proposals that
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

aren't based on fantasy accounting.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
16. First, he would need to be a democrat for longer than a few months...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

...and have followers that were able to discern between fact and fiction, and - I'll give you - normal human error.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
21. Oh that's one I forgot then.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

Have joined the Democratic party long ago, but stridently avoid adherring to anything one might credit to democrats - like Hillary has done because living up to those ideals that used to be credited to Democrats doesn't mean anything.

Or would you rephrase to include shifting the party to be much more corporate and big-business-friendly like Hillary has done?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
27. First condition Met! He has always caucused with the Democrats and is a Democrat re issues+votes
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

An independent in name only in many ways

He caucused with the Democrats for, 16 years in the United States House of Representatives, 10 years in the United States Senate;

where he served on many committees Representing the Democratic party such as the:

Committee on the Budget (Ranking Member)
Committee on Environment and Public Works
Subcommittee on Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
Subcommittee on Green Jobs and the New Economy
Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure
Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
Subcommittee on Energy
Subcommittee on National Parks
Subcommittee on Water and Power
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Subcommittee on Children and Families
Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging (Ranking Member)
Committee on Veterans' Affairs (chairman)

He has every right to expect respect from those he served with such loyalty and in so many capacities.
The Democratic party must consider him a true blue ally to have given him seats on so many committees.

He was also a founder of the Democratic Progressive caucus.

It appears to me the only one's that are offended by his former Independent status are all the Moderate Republicans that are far less honest and register as "Democrats" while voting for Republican policy, those "Democrats" are most often both conservative and liars.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
67. Woudl you call have Kagen and Kissenger as foreign policy advisors and
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

Blankfein and Dimon as financial backers as fact, fiction, or normal human error?

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
18. Simple: he could convince me he'll win the GE...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

...and since he's smarter than a bunch of anonymous bloggers, he won't waste my time pitching head-to-head polls.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
20. Well for starters ...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

He could back away from his admiration for Castro.

Could admit that he voted to topple Saddam in 1999.

Could admit that he voted for war appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan in 2001.

Could admit that he argued against DOMA on states rights grounds, meaning that states should be free to discriminate or not.

Could admit that he voted to support the anti-immigrant vigilante Minutemen.

Could apologize for opposing the Brady bill 5x.

Could retreat from his belief that gun manufacturers should have special privileges to avoid liability.

Could release his tax returns.

Could explain why he chose to be an independent rather than work to change the Democratic Party.

Could explain why he was largely absent from the political scene from the mid-60s to the early 80s, when there was so much civil rights activism.

Could apologize more fully for his ghetto remark.

Could explain why he chose to flee from where the battles were being fought to go to an overwhelmingly white state.

Could explain his support the for $1 trillion waste-of-money stealth bomber.

There's probably more, but let's face it, up until now he really has not held the difficult posts that Hillary has held and primarily represented white liberals, so he had a pretty easy time sticking to his agenda.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
23. Ok. I'll take one from your list and you take one from mine.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

Explain her being under sniper fire. When you're done, I'll take one of yours.

artyteacher

(598 posts)
44. Easy... she was *warned* there was the possibility...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

Of sniper fire upon landing and I think they actually moved some things around to make it safer.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
78. Well, that might be better had she actually said "I was warned there might be sniper fire..."
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

But she did not. She very specifically said "I remember landing under sniper fire." The video is easily accessible just by googling. She took it even further talking about how they "ran with their heads down..." This is despite the video of the greeting ceremony.


artyteacher

(598 posts)
89. i think if i was in a plane...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:03 PM
Apr 2016

And they told me there might be sniper fire... Upon landing, I might remember it as I landed under sniper fire.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
55. Neither one is perfect ...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:56 PM
Apr 2016

... My issue with Bernie is with his supporters who seem to worship him as much as Trump supporters worship him. I think that's dangerous. God knows, Hillary has made her share of mistakes. Her mistakes are magnified since she had such high profile positions. Sanders really wasn't covered nearly to the extent that Hillary was, but despite that he's done a number of objectionable things.

As far as the sniper fire goes, my guess is she lied to battle the sexism that a woman doesn't have the courage to be CiC, but it's also possible she was truly scared (which distorts the memory) and a woman candidate can't admit to being scared. The case for the latter is that it was a dumb lie, since she knew that the event was being videoed by CBS. Regardless, she did not tell the truth and deserves criticism for it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
37. If those are your honest reasons.....
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

I'd suggest a little more research and critical independent thinking. Your reasons for them for the most part lack context. or are flat out wrong.

I could refute at least 3/4 if I had the time and inclination.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
56. Programmed?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

Of course, you'd say that without evidence. Everything I wrote is flat-out true. That doesn't maker Bernie bad. In fact, I support him, but I really dislike the worship of him. And, no, you couldn't refute what I wrote. You might be able to rationalize it, just as Hillary supporters rationalize some of her bad choices, but that's all.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
38. Look up the word hack
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

And you'll have the answer you need. Or just look in a mirror for the definition

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
108. Bernie's career is solid and honorable. He is trusted as a person of integrity.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary can't even get close to that.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
42. I think everyone should vote for the candidate they prefer. For the reasons they choose.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

Smart, ignorant, fanciful, whimsical, protest, gender, race, policies, particular issues, wealth, lack of wealth, tone of voice, electability, duty, apathy, trust, party loyalty, travel plans, religion, principles, education, philosophy, record, etc, etc, etc.

The other option is not to vote.

Just remember that it's your vote. Not owned by or owed to, any candidate or party.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
47. I don't think I could ever switch...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

... but then, I have never been tempted to join any religion.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
49. Having trolls that are only here to disrupt the site removed.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders to stop lying about his stances.

For Jeff Weaver and Tadd Devine to resign.

For trolls to stop harassing DU members and passing around false information.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
82. I thought there was something in the terms of service about calling people names and trolls?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:37 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, tch tch. Truth hurts huh?

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
115. You appear to be the one that keeps egging others on. That is bullying.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:43 PM
Apr 2016

In this case cyber bullying.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
51. I will never vote for Bernie
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016

I do not think he is genuine.... He has lied soooo much there is no way I could trust anything from him.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
83. Sanders would have to convince me he's ready for Prime Time and not just offering fantasy promises
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:42 PM
Apr 2016

that he can't deliver.

He'd also have to convince me he cares about workers in poor countries, not just his seemingly Nationalistic approach to America First the hell with everyone else.

I'd like him to speak out against guns.

I'd like to see his detailed calculations of how he is going to go from $3 Trillion in health care expenditures annually here to the $1.38 Trillion he uses to make single payer sound cheap. I'd like him to quit talking about the middle class and talk more about poor people.

It would be nice if he were a real Democrat, not just tagging along for a ride, but it's a bit late for that.

I guess I'd also like him to ask the Pope to pray for us when he meets with him in the next few days.

There's more, but I don't think you or any of his supporters are really interested.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
85. I agree with Bernie- and not you- either Dem is better than the GOP.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

He'd need to be remotely viable by the time my states primary comes around. Which is truly doubtful. And if he wins the primary- of course I will vote for him.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
90. Awe .. Looks like the outrage factory exploded.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

You should add some CAPS and bold so we can really feel your pain.

rock

(13,218 posts)
96. Right there's your problem
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:36 PM
Apr 2016

You BSers would have to stop lying about Hillary with every breath you take.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
112. A newfound respect for honesty and integrity?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

That might do it. But can it be developed in adulthood? Unlikely.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
118. Big huge campaign donations to their campaign funneled through the DNC?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

Oh, I thought you were talking about superdelegates.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
119. I was initially a Clinton supporter back in 2008 before switching to Obama
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

I liked both candidates. Obama's supporters were super positive and welcoming--but more importantly, candidate Obama was exceptional. Truly outstanding. That is what made it easy to switch.

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