Why do you think Hillary felt the need to lie about being under sniper fire?

[revbones]

She very specifically said "I remember landing under sniper fire."

Why would she say that? Especially when there is actual video of the greeting ceremony.

Did she just want to claim some form of heroism that she wasn't entitled to? Is she a serial liar or something?

[tularetom]

1. I don't know, yes she did and yes she is

[fun n serious]

2. I don't know who has been saying that

?oh=dfcd10e40942ff7b012ea9a14bed73b9&oe=5780530D

[Wilms]

4. Where did you find that garbage? HRC's website?

Here's one example.

H.R. 4853

The 2010 extension of tax cuts didn't just continue the tax cuts for billionaires and millionaires enacted under George W. Bush. It expanded them, allowing inheritance of estates of up to 10 million dollars tax-free, and deepening special tax favors for investors. The legislation also undermined the integrity of Social Security by creating a new standard of low funding for the Social Security trust fund, exposing Social Security to new charges of being unsustainably funded.

Senator Sanders has acted progressively by voting NO, against this regressive measure.

http://thatsmycongress.com/senate/senatorBernardSandersVT111.html

OK? Now you see why it's no fun sharing a political party with people who are hard to take seriously.

[passiveporcupine]

117. You are wasting your breath Wilms

The people who do this are never going to stop. Whether they believe it or just use it to try to hurt him, it doesn't matter. They don't care. They just want to hurt him, or in this case, to divert attention away from something stupid that Hillary did...that was repeated numerous times and is on film and they can't even say she screwed up. They just have to divert the subject away from her any way they can.

So I consider this kind of post to be a troll post intended to start a fight and I think it's best to just ignore it.

You can get into it if you want, but they won't delete it or stop doing it.

[JackInGreen]

128. +1 million

Those por-kee-pii spines aren't dangerous, they're high end receiver nodes ain't they?

[CentralCoaster]

3. Imagine if Bernie told such a lie!

I mean, just imagine!

[VulgarPoet]

5. Valor thieving and "Almost-A-Marine" syndrome. nt

[Dragonfli]

15. She wanted us to see her in a certain light?

[loyalsister]

28. Like Bush in the flight suit

That lie bugs me because "we came, we saw, he died," and her overall hawkishness sounds an awful lot like she thrives on military fantasies.

[braddy]

130. Bush was an actual fighter pilot, and good at it with over 600hrs flight time.

[Zira]

6. Habit. All it takes it google to expose camp weathervane.

[JoePhilly]

7. You guys still whining over this?

[revbones]

8. As a disabled veteran, yes. It speaks to her character and trustworthiness. nt

[JoePhilly]

11. Cool story bro.

OP suggests today is a slow day at the outrage factory so they're recycling old outrages.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

16. Truth never goes out of fashion...

except for republican types and their followers.

[revbones]

58. Agreed. And it's bizarre that some think there's a statute of limitations on lies

from a candidate. It's not like Republicans are going to go "Oh yeah, the sniper thing? That was a while back so we can't use it."

[Loudestlib]

31. Did you serve?

[JoePhilly]

35. Asked the anonymous internet poster.

Sure, I was agent orange, but it's was all very hush hush.

[Loudestlib]

42. It's obvious that you didn't.

Those that have understand the sacrifice that disabled vets have made. It's disgusting to see you mocking them.

[JoePhilly]

43. My "mocking" is much more narrowly focused.

On that you can be sure.

[libtodeath]

97. Disgusting

[VulgarPoet]

125. That's a civilian for you. Hope he sleeps well at night. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. What you just did...is low.

You have heard of the Stolen Valor Act right?

[JoePhilly]

44. When will Hillary be charged for that?

Maybe the Indictment Fairy will make an appearance?

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. I am not talking of HRC

I will again say it, what you just did is low

[JoePhilly]

46. Coming to DU ...

... and posting OPs that are shit stirring bullshit so the perpetually outraged can gnash their teeth and pull their hair out, is lower.

But you knew that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Sorry, what you did is very low

I am far from outraged. But what you did is low.

[virtualobserver]

63. your response isn't cool at all...Bro.

[Marr]

66. You're a perfect representative of your candidate.

What a foul, condescending post.

[Dragonfli]

20. As a twelve year member of this board I apologize for the veteran bashing implications Joe made

Just now accusing you of not serving, I am sorry that not as many here respect the sacrifice of disabled veterans as they should, but be assured, I have no doubt that he does not yet speak for the majority of posters here.

I know it is often merely spoken of as empty words.

But sincerely, thank you for both your service and the physical sacrifice you made for all Americans.

[JoePhilly]

38. I did not "accuse" him of anything.

And I also don't just take everything I read on the Internet as being factual.

But I understand the need to keep the outrage meter pegged at 11.

[Dragonfli]

50. "cool story bro" - 'nuff said /nt

[JoePhilly]

51. "Argument from Authority" is a weak ...

... technique to use on the Internet.

As a 12 year member of DU, surely you know that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. This is like when some here (mostly on your side)

Question my status as a reporter, a minority, an immigrant and my service with the Mexican Red Crosx for ten years. (For the record, I did come under fire, thankfully cartels are lousy at fire discipline) or my college degrees. Yup, it is that kind of low. Unless of course you have the evidence that the poster you told "cool story bro" is not a veteran. Otherwise you are engaging in pretty low behavior. In fact, despicable.

[Dragonfli]

64. I agree, and I find such behavior deplorable. /nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. Alas that poster

cannot see it

[Dragonfli]

76. White Noise Generator

[Dragonfli]

62. Those were your words in response to his service, own them or be a coward, your choice. /nt

[revbones]

84. Fortunately that logical fallacy is not what I did.

I indicated that as a disabled veteran her lying by saying she was under sniper fire was an issue for me. I didn't make any authoritative claim.

People are entitled to their own beliefs, and those beliefs may be shaped by their personal experiences. Argument from Authority is not accurate here.

[JoePhilly]

94. Sure it was.

You are recycling an old outrage.

And if others are not as outraged as you, they disrespect your service, assuming you served. Which given you are an anonymous person on the internet, I can treat as suspect. Just as you could take any claim I make about my own personal life, and its circumstances, and take the same stance.

You shift from outrage to outrage on a very regular basis. That's become very obvious. And I for one do not take your OPs on DU very seriously as a result.

Selling outrage has become a cottage industry on DU lately. And little meetings of the combustible hair club, like this thread, are very common and rather transparent.

Its become irrelevant which space on the Wheel of outrage stops ... the endless manufactured outrage OPs has become an end unto itself. And I'm not just referring to your contributions in that regard.

In the end, its going to fail as a political tactic. And so it does not matter whether you are a sincere disabled vet who supports Bernie, or a Trump troll.

You were never going to get people who like and support Hillary to switch to Bernie by insulting them and endlessly vilifying her.

That is my belief, based on experience.

[nadinbrzezinski]

95. You obviously have never served

and I will leave it at that. Well except for another point. You did it again.

[revbones]

116. Nope and doubling down on questioning my service doesn't help your case.

You are obviously incorrect about your claim of Argument from Authority. I would suggest you look up the definition again and re-read my post. I didn't use my service in that context at all.

So there is a statute of limitations on her lies? At what point in time are we supposed to forget each lie?

I'm not really sure I care if you take my OPs serious or what you personally think of them. You've shown enough of your character in this thread, to lessen any appeal your opinion or favor might have.

Was I trying to switch your vote? Nope. I merely asked why she lied and said she was under sniper fire, which you cannot seem to answer, and cannot whether it's on that particular instance or on any other, because she seems to blatantly lie daily.

By your logic, all the anti-Bernie posts should just magically disappear right? Because they aren't going to get any Bernie supporter to switch to Hillary by endlessly vilifying him. Perhaps if posts offend your delicate sensibilities, you might not want to read such things on DU and instead look for a nursery rhyme site somewhere.

No, I think you misunderstand quite a lot and let your ego get in your way too often. That is my belief, based on this experience.

[revbones]

82. Thanks.

I think I've mentioned being a veteran 3 times on DU now and of those, two received similar responses. The first was in response to someone telling me that I shouldn't speak ill of Peter Daou because he was a veteran, to which I replied I was as well but didn't see how it made any difference - and to which I was accused of being a liar. The second time was questioning why veteran status would be relevant in discussions such as that instance. And here is the third. Nice odds on that huh?

Anyway, thanks for the very kind words.

[Dragonfli]

87. Those posts shame me, they shame all of us here, you should have received more apologies

Had I seen it done those other times, I would have posted the same thing as I did now.

I am both upset and surprised no one here called them out for it those other times. The site is changing rapidly, and not for the better.

[nadinbrzezinski]

93. They have done that to me for over a decade

always the same exact crowd. I have been told I was not in the Red Cross for ten years in Mexico (which technically makes me a vet, since for 9 of those years we were part of the army reserve, that goes back to WW II), After all I apparently could not attend first college and then graduate school while volunteering in a border town. That border must be so solid you cannot cross it, or drive across, which technically is what I did.

OF course since the ARC never does that shit, like EMS, I could have never been a paramedic, or worst, gotten shot at. Yeah, yeah, Red Crosses attract high speed lead. Or worked disasters and MCIs for that matter.

These days their favorite bone is I could not be a reporter, never mind we do run a very small local outlet, and we have press credentials from the county. That means you are pressing their buttons and they are trying to press yours. Dime on the peso that these people, for the most part have not served. I am sure that person did not expect us veterans, or supporters, to come out and point this out.

For the record, as a wife of a USN Chief (ret) I spent a tour in HI, one of these idiots even questioned that. This is how low these people are. I mostly let it slide these days. Many of them are bullies, a few are cyber stalkers, and they are mostly not worth your time. But they can be adorable at times.

Oh and I will not say those famous words, thanks for your service. My husband and I concluded a while back that it was a way for people who would never do what you did, or my husband did in the Navy... assuage their own insecurities over that. As I said, while I technically count as one (from a foreign military) they piss off on that one too.

As to the question you asked about HRC to begin with... I have my views. One is not nice, the other is not nice either. But the latter could be sort of excused... if you want to know PM me.

[Live and Learn]

119. +10,000 It is downright disgusting. nt

[Joob]

18. As a veteran, Yes. Who lies about that shit? Scum. That's the answer. Another reason why she won't

GET MY VOTE

[Jackie Wilson Said]

52. The GOP thanks you.

[Joob]

55. Pointless scare tactics won't work on me. Revolutions coming for both sides.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

60. Both sides, yeah, that makes sense too. Let me guess, you think

Donald Trump represents change or a revolution that will positively effect your finances?

[Joob]

68. No? The fact is corruption lives well in BOTH parties. Money over people.

Corporations over people.
Profit over people.

This party makes itself more disgusting every day defending the things Hillary has done.

For instance, you think I'm concerned about my finances for this election, that's the first thing that comes into your mind. I've got news for you, you can read people just about the same as Hillary with the youth. I care about things getting done, I care about money not affecting our politics, not letting corporations and their agendas with politicians get in the way of American people for profit. I am the complete opposite of what you're suggesting.

I want Financing from Corporations Out of Politics so it can Positively affect Americans as a whole.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

70. And your attitude about not supporting the democrat in the election will result not only in none

of this but will make all of it harder.

If Hillary is the nominee.

[Joob]

78. Hillary is the heart of the problem. How don't you see this? Accepting her is what'll make it harder

Submitting to Hillary will decrease the change we want. Giving in and saying okay, you won. Hillary would just change her stances like usual and once secure in the office she'd push things even you'd be against.

Regardless, if you accept it or not. There is a movement, much like many movements in the past. That people didn't accept. That people didn't understand. They didn't accept how things were. And that's happening now. It's a dream, never going to happen. Okay. Let history be the judge. This isn't about Hillary, it's about who she answers to. That's why I won't and others won't vote for her.

I'm betting there'll be a viable third option if she wins nomination. Regardless if Bernie endorses her or not, because unlike you Hillary supporters. We all don't follow blindly. We follow Bernie for a reason. It's to get corruption out of politics, not the free college everyone seems to think is the reason.

My last point will be this, her near complete control on the general mainstream media is fucking scary.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

80. Viable 3rd option?

You dont get it.

I not only accept the movement but was probably part of it and promoting it long before you were.

What I also am is a pragmatist, and I will not allow, if I am able, any person from the GOP of obtaining power.

Doing so would mean the end of any change you think might be possible.

If Bernie loses, voting a 3rd party is suicide.

UNLESS you really are comfortable with right wing bigotry, racism, and hate.

[Joob]

88. People like you said Bernie would have been done way long before this.

Matter of fact, people like you don't bring change. Our opinions differ. I'm leaving it like that.

And no, Racism, hate and Bigotry won't win no matter who's President. I'm comfortable saying that.
You'd have to be an insane amount of stupid if you think a President would get away with promoting that, in this day and age.
Note, I said President, not candidate.

Good day.

[peace13]

81. Well they should be thanking Hill.

People can't be blamed for noticing bad behavior! She has a problem, face it.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

83. She does, she is a typical mainstream politician, thus her problem.

And one of the reasons I am voting Bernie.

But....

[passiveporcupine]

118. Well Hell Joe

Your team keeps accusing Bernie of saying "YUP" when asked if he was going to meet the Pope. And he couldn't even lie about it, because he hasn't been there yet. If he meets the Pope while he was there, it's not a lie and if he doesn't, it might be...but it obviously was not meant as a lie, but more a hopeful dream. Yet he's a nasty liar now because he said that instead of interrupting Joy and correcting what she said. Shortly after that he corrected himself in public by saying "I don't know". But Hillary just doubled down on her lie. How many times was she recorded using that line in speeches. Two or three, right? And it wasn't just a "yup"...it was a detailed account of something that never happened.

Not quite the same thing is it? I guess as long as you guys can harp on Bernie for his mistaken hopes, we can harp on Hillary for her outright nonsensical and repeated lie.

[Sky Masterson]

9. Because she wanted to look tough.

Just think of that giddy feeling she is going to get when she orders her first tomahawk missile to be fired on another majority Muslim country.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

17. And the gleam in her eye when she hears of the *collateral damage.

*Yeah, it's too hard to say we murder civilians and children.

[Sky Masterson]

19. Better than S_X!

Pictures!! She'll need pictures, stat!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. I believe that us actually a perverse S_X to some.

[Zira]

22. And she will laugh off any reporting asking her how she feels about the kids

[HereSince1628]

90. I'm never certain about war stories...which isn't to say her story is a 'mistaken memory'

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there's lots of reasons to tell stories, and most of them center on off-setting other insecurities.

I think it's possible she needed to deal with her own issues around having the responsibility of sending others into harm's way when she had never served. Consequently, the story she told put her, rather precisely, in harm's way.

That may not be about trying to look tough, it may just be a compensation for a missing line on her resume.

My brother was a combat helicopter pilot in Vietnam with some decorations, yet he spins out war stories as if he's creating scenes from an Ian Slater novel. I think he mostly does it because the Army tossed him out after about 8 years because in the down sizing after Vietnam, they really only wanted to promote officers to field grades if they had college degrees. My brother didn't. He had a handful of college credit through USAFI/U of Maryland.

[tabasco]

10. Serial liar.

She's insecure because her rise to prominence was due to marriage, not her own accomplishments. She attempts to enhance her own credentials by lying.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Expanding her resume for future campaigns.

The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!

Robert Burns

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. Perhaps she likes lying inasmuch as her supporters

like being lied to?

[Zira]

24. Appears so -> Clinton foundation didn't report 26 million in speeches

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/21/politics/clinton-foundation-speech-income/index.html

This is from another thread here this morning.

[upaloopa]

14. Don't know don't care like the rest of the country

At some point the law of diminishing returns will catch up with anti Hillary OP's

[Fawke Em]

25. People actually do care that she lies a lot.

It's why her negatives are so high.

[anotherproletariat]

27. She has been repeatedly shown to be the most honest presidential candidate

The narrative that she is untrustworthy comes from years and years of repub attacks on her. None of which have held any water. If the intended consequence of these attacks was simply to damage her reputation by linking her to things that turned out to be untrue, it has certainly worked on the segment of society that does not do independent research.

Unfortunately, that is a huge chunk of society...and I'm sure the repubs knew that.

[tabasco]

32. LMAO!

Oh, you're SERIOUS!

[revbones]

123. Guess that's why her favorables are in the tank eh? nt

[JoePhilly]

41. You'd think they'd take up Bernie more than they do.

They spend more time talking about Hillary than the media spend talking about Trump, which is hard to do.

[libtodeath]

99. Have you no shame?

[pdsimdars]

21. Reflexive . . . knee-jerk . . . . habit . .. choose one.

[anotherproletariat]

26. My guess is that someone in the entourage mentioned the word sniper...

and that stuck in her head. I know if I was somewhere even remotely dangerous, and heard the word "sniper" it would be all I could think about until I knew I was somewhere safe. Then, memories are such that all you remember from a particular incident is that thing that you were scared about.

Since it makes no political difference whether or not their were actually snipers, it wouldn't behoove someone to say they were or were there. How far after the incident did she have this recollection? I don't remember this at all (though I'm young).

[Fumesucker]

37. Chelsea was with her participating in the ceremony

What sort of person deliberately and knowingly exposes their child to sniper fire?

[RufusTFirefly]

29. To me, it's like why she voted for the Iraq War

Almost any explanation I can think of for why she did so is troubling.

[Hoyt]

30. Similar reason to Sanders saying he's going to meet with Pope. Truth is, Clinton was in a region

where bullets/shells were, or certainly could be, flying. I bet the security forces were protecting her against snipers.

Similarly, Sanders might have gotten confused, or overly excited, when his staff said we got you an invitation to the Vatican.

I don't have a big problem with embellishing things a bit as long as folks don't whine about being called on it. It sure happens around here a lot.

[thesquanderer]

39. Not having complete information about something that hasn't happened yet...

... is a bit different from being confused about what you actually did in the past.

How does one remember being under sniper fire if one wasn't?

Forgetting things that happened is one thing. Remembering things that didn't happen is another. I don't know if it's worse if she did it intentionally (i.e. she lied) or if she didn't (i.e. she has some weird cognitive/psychological issue).

But perhaps the most immediately relevant aspect of this is, assuming Hillary is the nominee, I expect to see the sniper fire clips in lots of Republican ads in the Fall.

[Hoyt]

47. I think there were likely snipers in region. The sniper ads you speak of would merely show pissant

GOPers for who they are. Trump or Cruz can't even make a creditable claim they have been in an area where hostilities were going on.

[thesquanderer]

48. The ads would be damaging regardless. (n/t)

[DVRacer]

111. Hoyt you are incorrect

Because the war in Bosnia ended in 1995, and that by 1996, shooting of any kind was unlikely to happen. Moreover, the Tuzla area was a Serb-controlled area, which makes a sniper fire even more unlikely as snipers were mainly active in the urban areas where civilians were trapped under Serb/ Croat nationalist’s siege – such as Sarajevo and Mostar.

I really don't want to argue I think you and I agree more than we don't, but I was there.

[Hoyt]

113. I hear you, but when you were there did you take any safety precautions?

She shouldn't have said it, but she was probably speaking to yahoos that think women should be content with cooking cornbread.

[revbones]

54. Exactly.

There is a clear difference between Bernie not immediately correcting an interviewer that conflated the Pope with the Vatican and just answering their question, when contrasted with Hillary claiming to have been under sniper fire AND even describing a false scenario of running for vehicles, etc...

I agree, it's not going away if she's the nominee. That plus so many other clips of her explicitly lying. It will all come back during the general if she's the nominee.

[Dragonfli]

73. She repeated that same lie multiple times a well, at different venues

&nohtml5=False

[braddy]

131. Wow.

[libtodeath]

100. Epic fail.

[artislife]

33. She is an idiot who doesn't think anyone will ever fact check her.

[Avalux]

34. Here's the thing about lying that she learned well from the GOP.

Tell the lie, then never EVER EVER admit you lied. When asked, either repeat the lie, brush it off as misspeaking, or evade and talk about something else. Maybe cackle a little bit too and blame it on your opponent.

She's a good pupil, I'll give her that.

[JudyM]

40. She falsely characterizes many things as attacks against her poor self. It's just her way of getting

people's attention.

[merrily]

56. She had gone on about her years as FLOTUS, acting as though they had prepared her to be President.

She had been mocked about that, especially as to foreign matters. She was trying to show that being FLOTUS gave her some kind of foreign policy cred.

Although, how being fired at abroad, even if it had actually happened, gives one foreign policy expertise is beyond me.

[anigbrowl]

59. Presumably because she was a bit worried about it as she flew into a war zone

I didn't think this was a very big issue in 2008 (when I was supporting Obama) and I think it's even less of one now. People commonly exaggerate to make themselves look braver or to make their stories sound more exciting, and I attach little importance to individual episodes of exaggeration.

[MFM008]

61. Bosnia was a mess

There was always sniper fire especially at planes, so you don't know for sure if there was or wasn't.
Anyway, I think she will keep us safer and respond swiftly to attacks on America.
I don't trust an elderly, 75 year old whose interest is mainly free stuff that will never happen, to do it. Sorry.

[libtodeath]

101. Nice rw talking points

[revbones]

115. The actual video shows there was not.

It shows her slowly exiting, waving, attending a greeting ceremony. Not ducking and running under sniper fire.

[azmom]

67. She's stuck in a pre-Internet mentality

when she could get away with her lies.

[revbones]

86. ^^ DING ^^ nt

[artislife]

96. That coupled with her elitism makes it a sure thing

that she will continue to lie.

[rock]

69. I don't believe she did

I believe she had reason enough to believe they were landing in sniper fire. Why do you blieve she lied? Oh, you're a BSer maybe?

[Marr]

71. Because, like most conservatives, she assumes her audience is comprised of idiots. /nt

[jmg257]

74. "Pathological" informal - compulsive; obsessive, habitual nt

[Herman4747]

75. She wanted to trick people into believing she's courageous. n/t

[arcane1]

77. Did she just want to claim some form of heroism that she wasn't entitled to?

Yes.

[Bjornsdotter]

79. In case someone doesn't remember

[SidDithers]

85. 1310 to 1094...nt

Sid

[revbones]

89. Oh, does that make the lie go away?

Is that how it works? So you're ok with her lying that way then?

[Dragonfli]

91. He doesn't care, he is not even an American, he just posts here to amuse himself.

Usually by disrupting, or baiting people to get them to lose their temper, it is best just to ignore that one.

There are other posters here that are not United States citizens, but luckily, most of them post here positively and their interest is based largely on the fact that the US power structure is big enough to affect their lives as well, he is not one of those, he is exactly as he appears to be.

[revbones]

92. Ahhh. Think I remember that coming up before. Makes sense. Thanks!

So a good candidate for ignore then. I try not to use that. I think he'll make #2...

[SoLeftIAmRight]

120. lol - vote for the family

...

[polly7]

98. Her lies come so easy and she must think people are really,

really stupid. I think she was trying to build up her foreign experience credentials and was sure this would go over without a hitch. Narcissists believe they can fool anyone.

[tularetom]

102. Maybe she hadn't lied yet that day and needed to lie about something to meet her quota

[demwing]

103. Because it is her nature

The Scorpion and the Frog (a fable):

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where she lived and decided that she wanted a change. So she set out on a journey through the forests and hills. She climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until she reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. She couldn't see any way across, so she ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that she might have to turn back.

Suddenly, she saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. She decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Ms. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, her sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove her stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Why does Hillary lie? Why is she running such a sleazy campaign?

As the scorpion said - "I could not help myself. It is my nature."

[LAS14]

104. The word from Snopes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110799588#post3

[SocialLibFiscalCon]

107. Snopes White-Wash is what that is...

Please see post # 73 for video of Olbermann on this issue in 2008. She repeated the lie multiple times in various forums. It is all on video and the actual landing and ceremony on the Tarmac are as well. She blatantly embellished, aka LIED, multiple times and only backtracked when called out on it.

Please pass this information on to your friends in the HRC room as well. I would do it myself but I have been banned from that world. You all really need to stop ignoring reality about Clinton. You can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts.

[revbones]

114. Even if that were the case and she later corrected one word.

She still described a whole scene that never happened.

[ThePhilosopher04]

105. Fits the pattern and profile of who she is. Her life is one of opportunism, embellisment

and exploitation for personal and political gain. Must suck to live life that way. If she weren't so dangerous I would feel sorry for her.

[Generic Brad]

106. One upping Brian Williams?

All the cool kids are doing it.

[SocialLibFiscalCon]

108. Posted about this the other day

Still waiting for someone to give a reasonable answer. Why was a TV anchor held to a higher standard than a presidential candidate?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511695388

[Bonobo]

109. It was a very good post and a more than reasonable question. nt

[rickford66]

110. But Bernie said "Yup"

[Umbral18]

112. Street Cred. nt

[jfern]

121. It was from parallel universe Hillary who signed up for the Marines

In Bosnia she was dodging sniper fire from Saddam Hussien's Al Qaeda that was trying to smuggling the WMD back to Iraq.

[revbones]

122. Oh yeah, I forgot about that lie. There's so many to keep track of.... nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

124. Narcissists crave the spotlight.

[rjsquirrel]

126. OFFS

It's come down to this.

Can't wait to vote for Hillary in New York.

[Waiting For Everyman]

127. She lies constantly and gets away with it.

It's simply what she does. It's her common everyday practice.

But lying about things like this, where there is film, makes her an incompetent liar. I guess we should be grateful that she isn't better at it???

[AgerolanAmerican]

129. when you're a psychopath

you can actually believe the things you make up on the spot

it was convenient for it to have happened, thus it happened, no matter how easy it was to prove that it didn't

the only kind of white house she belongs in is an ASYLUM or a PRISON