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TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:06 AM Apr 2016

Clinton’s dismal approval ratings prompt Dem fears

Clinton is now viewed unfavorably by 55 percent of the electorate, according to the HuffPost Pollster average, which tracks findings from 42 different polling outfits. Only 40.2 percent of people view her favorably, according to that average.

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“The No. 1 reason that her favorability is so bad is that you have large numbers of Americans who say they don’t trust her,” he said. “I could make it sound more complicated than that, but that’s really what it is. Voters see her as the ultimate politician, who will do or say anything to get elected.”

The historic comparisons are stark. At this point in the 2008 presidential cycle, then-Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was seen favorably by 62 percent of voters and unfavorably by just 33 percent. Even in February 2012, the closest comparable point in his re-election campaign, he had a net positive favorability rating in the Gallup poll of 2 percentage points, compared to Clinton’s current net rating of minus 11.


The story goes on to note that the only saving grace for Clinton is that the Republicans chose this year to have a meltdown and it looks like they'll nominate either Cruz or Trump, two truly awful candidates. Hills would have lost to a Republican who was more palatable to the general population.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/276078-clintons-dismal-approval-ratings-prompt-dem-fears
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Clinton’s dismal approval ratings prompt Dem fears (Original Post) TeddyR Apr 2016 OP
Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Apr 2016 #1
Where's your fiddle? bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #2
Wow, is that hillary? Logical Apr 2016 #5
It's really humorous that a candidate who starts with high disapproval is the candidate Armstead Apr 2016 #6
The funniest part is that they imagine that the negative ad barrage from Republicans..... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #26
Yep. Typical Hillary follower response to anything negative about Hillary. revbones Apr 2016 #31
Her disapproval rating will skyrocket once the fact ads start and all of those young voters are Skwmom Apr 2016 #3
Keep your fingers crossed!! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #11
House Speaker Ryan bows out. Hill cakewalks over Trump. (eom) oasis Apr 2016 #33
Oh look! A check in reality! pinebox Apr 2016 #4
Ya mean those high numbers aren't good? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #7
By the time the Republican Convention is over Dick Cheney favorability rating will be envied. gordianot Apr 2016 #8
Still higher than Trump or Cruz's BainsBane Apr 2016 #9
Bernie has not 'vastly outspent' Hillary, Hillary has spent more than Bernie. Kentonio Apr 2016 #27
Hillary never tried to implement universal healthcare. inchhigh Apr 2016 #32
#1 thing I hear about Clinton: Triana Apr 2016 #10
Actaul data pdsimdars Apr 2016 #19
I'm sadly not surprised. n/t Triana Apr 2016 #22
wow...lower than Trump. Sanders the most honest in the survey. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #36
But what happens if the Republicans don't nominate Cruz or Trump? DookDook Apr 2016 #12
My feeling is, and I don't know if this is "racist" or not - that if the GOP nominates almost ANY djean111 Apr 2016 #13
She is in my watch list nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #41
This is a very real problem coming up Hydra Apr 2016 #14
Pundits seem to think that there is a legitimate chance TeddyR Apr 2016 #15
Frankly, all of them scare me Hydra Apr 2016 #17
Well, if it's Kasich (who I despise), his dishonesty factor is less than half of Hillary's figure. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #37
They are not ethereal nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #38
Yes, her's is similar to where Obama's numbers were 18 months ago. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #16
I wonder if there is any historical data on favorability ratings and winning the presidential race. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #18
Someone posted a graph a few months back. Kentonio Apr 2016 #29
Just as I suspected. And yet, many still seem to want her as their nominee. . . idiocracy. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #39
Here's one going back to 84. Kentonio Apr 2016 #40
It is an insult to good Democrats that the Party leadership and DNC failed PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #20
The stacked the deck for Hillary from the get-go. Punkingal Apr 2016 #21
Hillary Clinton blocked the emergence of a number of better Democratic candidates. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #24
Massive manipulation has come back to bite them. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #28
They are all in this for themselves. They'll CONTINUE manipulating closeupready Apr 2016 #34
vs. Trump or Cruz, with even higher negatives speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #23
Me think this whole band of repub running was a coup to protect Hillary! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #25
.... but it's all Sanders' fault for telling the truth about her !!! Myrina Apr 2016 #30
Poor favorability ratings are the death knell in Presidential elections since 1980 EndElectoral Apr 2016 #35
How did the Dems end up TeddyR Apr 2016 #42
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
6. It's really humorous that a candidate who starts with high disapproval is the candidate
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:11 AM
Apr 2016

Hell, even if one supports and loves Clinton ought to be a little worried about it, rather than just posting snarky Betty White gifs.

I love Berry White, and have posted my share of snarky images.

But that alone aint going to win over independents and disaffected Democrats.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
26. The funniest part is that they imagine that the negative ad barrage from Republicans.....
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

won't make her numbers drop even more.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
31. Yep. Typical Hillary follower response to anything negative about Hillary.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:33 PM
Apr 2016

She can do no wrong right? Those unfavorables don't mean anything right?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
3. Her disapproval rating will skyrocket once the fact ads start and all of those young voters are
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:09 AM
Apr 2016

going to view the Democratic Party as a corrupt corporate cesspool.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
4. Oh look! A check in reality!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016

You'll get laughed at and get this shrugged off by Hillary's supporters but this is reality. People don't trust Hillary and that is something which will never change and they haven't for years.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
7. Ya mean those high numbers aren't good?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:13 AM
Apr 2016

Well, I'll be darned.

The last paragraph says it all - the right has a HORRIBLE field this time around, at least until their convention.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
8. By the time the Republican Convention is over Dick Cheney favorability rating will be envied.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:19 AM
Apr 2016

...and Dick may be forced to vote for Hillary as the best neo-con in the room. More than half and less than 75 percent see you unfavorably may be a stellar performance.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
9. Still higher than Trump or Cruz's
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

Carville called this right. The GOP has spent close to a billion dollars trashing Hillary since the 1990s when she tried to implement universal healthcare. "Progressives" have repeated those same claims verbatim. Yet despite huge amounts of resources devoted to attacking Clinton, despite Karl Rove's huge financial investment through CrossRoads GPS in trying to make Bernie the nominee, he still trails by 2.4 million votes. So you can celebrate Clinton's unfavorability ratings all you want. The fact is voters--Democrats--still prefer her to Bernie. Even though Bernie himself has vastly outspent Clinton in this campaign, he still can't win a majority of the votes, so now he's leaving the country right before a primary that he MUST win to have a shot at the nomination. But he won't win, and he knows it, so off to Rome he goes, and his campaign plots to seize the nomination against the electoral will of the people. Of course it won't happen. She'll have the required delegates before the convention, but the campaign wants the tap to keep flowing, and so it does.

There are going to be some fascinating books about the workings of that campaign when it's over.

inchhigh

(384 posts)
32. Hillary never tried to implement universal healthcare.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

I spent most of the middle part of the 80's working with ACORN and C/LEC to get healthcare on the Dem agenda. Nobody from that time period thought Hillary was an ally. She took a groundswell of support for a popular idea and destroyed it behind closed doors with a bunch of industry lawyers. Her negligence took healthcare off the agenda for 20 years and cost millions of lives. The right wing didnt "spend" a penny bashing her. They reaped Billions.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
10. #1 thing I hear about Clinton:
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016

"I don't trust her"

It's true at least based on what I hear from Dem voters I know.

DookDook

(166 posts)
12. But what happens if the Republicans don't nominate Cruz or Trump?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:56 AM
Apr 2016

There are ethereal rumors that a brokered republican convention could lead to them putting up Paul Ryan as their nominee. And with the burning hate that the right has for Secretary Clinton they won't have a problem coming out in droves to vote for Ryan.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
13. My feeling is, and I don't know if this is "racist" or not - that if the GOP nominates almost ANY
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

pasty white guy, they will beat Hillary. I has always looked to me like most GOP voters do not actually care about issues past guns, Murrica!, and fucking over poor people, even if that includes themselves. And they most decidedly do not like Hillary.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
41. She is in my watch list
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:48 PM
Apr 2016


Governor of New Mexico Susana Martinez... in fact, I am willing to bet she is very likely at either the POTUS or VEEP level list of possibles... minorities are starting to take more than just one look at the GOP...

I know, I know, people here do not pay attention to this shit... but it is my job.

Go watch some of the photos I posted from the Cruz rally in San Diego... It is not even the mix we had oh four years ago at the Ron Paul rally. And this is not something that people here are paying any attention to.

https://reportingsandiego.com/2016/04/12/2000-san-diegans-attend-cruz-rally/

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
14. This is a very real problem coming up
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:35 AM
Apr 2016

We laugh at the clown car now, but they are working hard to crash Trump right now and have to be thinking of a more solid candidate for convention. If so, things could get very ugly for Team Hill- the best they can say right now is that the bar is low enough for their candidate to trip over.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
15. Pundits seem to think that there is a legitimate chance
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

That Cruz will be the nominee because Trump isn't going to get enough votes to win outright and will lose at a contested election. While that might tear the Republican party apart, I shudder to think that we'll end up with Cruz as president because Hillary's numbers are so bad. Not only will the dislike for Hillary drive down Dem turnout, a lot of independents might end up going for Cruz that wouldn't have gone for Trump.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
17. Frankly, all of them scare me
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

And I hope for all of our sakes that the party splits...but the Repubs could pull a nasty rabbit out of their hats if they get their act together. If our party goes to convention as well, it's likely(definite?) our party splits.

Interesting times.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
37. Well, if it's Kasich (who I despise), his dishonesty factor is less than half of Hillary's figure.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:33 PM
Apr 2016

That's not good for the GE if it's him and her.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
18. I wonder if there is any historical data on favorability ratings and winning the presidential race.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

Has anyone with a high unfavorability rating ever won the election? Or does it have no effect?

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
29. Someone posted a graph a few months back.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

If I remember correctly there was exactly 1 candidate in the last 50 years or so that won with a negative favorability.

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
20. It is an insult to good Democrats that the Party leadership and DNC failed
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

to find and endorse a candidate with a strong majority of respect - net favorability rating - within our own party.

For me, the negative view of Hillary Clinton came post-2001.

Hillary Clinton will maintain the status quo and be less transformative and less effective by far than POTUS Obama.

There will be a sizable group within the Democratic Party looking forward to a primary challenge in 2020 in the probable case Hillary Clinton becomes POTUS.

The Democratic Party may lose the 2016 POTUS election with Hillary Clinton despite the GOP only presenting nightmares.

The Democratic leadership failed because they have not identified and supported a POTUS candidate that is respected and favored by a clear majority of the Party.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
21. The stacked the deck for Hillary from the get-go.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

Even when Biden might have run...it's disgusting and stupid that they did that.

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
24. Hillary Clinton blocked the emergence of a number of better Democratic candidates.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

Agree about disgusting and stupid.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
28. Massive manipulation has come back to bite them.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

DNC and DWS have a lot to answer for -- not that they will every admit anything.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
34. They are all in this for themselves. They'll CONTINUE manipulating
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

and rigging races. The lesson they will draw from this race is they didn't do ENOUGH rigging.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
25. Me think this whole band of repub running was a coup to protect Hillary!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

No one who can beat her, except Trump. So they are trying to get rid of him, and the way they are doing it, well....when it comes to psychology just think of the plan, "I don't want you to see that boy anymore!" and what it will breed.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
30. .... but it's all Sanders' fault for telling the truth about her !!!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

It's not her fault for being a sellout, opportunist, or a failed legislator ... it's all because of him!!


EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
35. Poor favorability ratings are the death knell in Presidential elections since 1980
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:29 PM
Apr 2016
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/do-romneys-favorability-ratings-matter/?_r=0

The fact that Hillary's favorability ratings are poor is not encouraging for the GE.
 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
42. How did the Dems end up
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:59 PM
Apr 2016

With a candidate as disliked as Hills? The 2 major political parties in the US have leading candidates in Trump and Clinton who are disliked by a vast majority of the citizens of this country. That is simply shocking to me.

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