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Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:08 AM

Bernie has now apologized for the "whore" remark and ...

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Goblinmonger (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

... acknowledged that it was entirely inappropriate.

Perhaps his supporters here who were so vociferous in defending and rationalizing the comment would like to follow suit.

Who would like to go first?

Not everyone at once, now ....

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salinsky Apr 2016 OP
Dem2 Apr 2016 #1
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salinsky Apr 2016 #16
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Name removed Apr 2016 #2
Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #22
salinsky Apr 2016 #23
beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #3
Dem2 Apr 2016 #7
salinsky Apr 2016 #9
NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #45
salinsky Apr 2016 #47
revbones Apr 2016 #65
Buttons3345 Apr 2016 #147
NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #73
Buttons3345 Apr 2016 #149
workinclasszero Apr 2016 #63
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Puglover Apr 2016 #129
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frylock Apr 2016 #133
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salinsky Apr 2016 #148
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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:09 AM

1. Link?

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:14 AM

5. https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/720590717706506240

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Response to salinsky (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:17 AM

10. Thank you

He's right, there is no place for language like that.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/720590717706506240

(easier to follow link in body of post)

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:22 AM

16. Oops ...

... thanks for the pro tip.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:46 AM

70. Here ya go.

“Dr. Song’s comment was inappropriate and insensitive. There’s no room for language like that in our political discourse,” Sanders tweeted Thursday.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:26 AM

22. "Bernie is obviously more gracious than I am"

Let's just say it's "cautious politician" time.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:27 AM

23. Haha ...

... I see what you did there.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:13 AM

3. When was someone called a whore? I thought the term was "corporate whores"?

That's been used here for years.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:14 AM

7. In context, it's much worse than I initially thought

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:16 AM

9. That's really disgusting. nt

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Response to salinsky (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:54 AM

45. It's is CLEAR to any thinking person he was referring to "Corporate Whore".

 

I associate ALL Third-Way Democrats with the term "Corporate Whores" simply because they are. That's how they make their living. I don't think he revealed anything most folks don't already know.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:57 AM

47. He referred to Hillary directly twice ...

... and then used the term "corporate Democratic whores".

Really despicable.

Bernie was right to apologize.

You should follow his lead on this.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #47)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:43 AM

65. Well, if the shoe fits...

 

Corporate whore:
One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corporate+whore

Basically it does apply to Hillary and many Democrats as well as most if not all Republicans...

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Response to revbones (Reply #65)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:05 PM

147. Did you put the shoes on?

Do they fit? Someone forgot to teach you manners! Naughty, naughty!

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Response to salinsky (Reply #47)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:48 AM

73. Personally I don't believe there was any need for him TO apologize.

 

I firmly believe that Third-Way Democrats are the epitome of "Corporate Whores". Why? Because they are. It's how they make their fortunes.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #73)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:09 PM

149. Well it shows he has manners!

More than I can say for his supporters!

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:43 AM

63. Why did Bernie apologize for the remark then?

 

He obviously disagrees with your statement.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #63)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:21 AM

113. Because of people like you or if not you, other Hillary supporters

who will on purpose blow this out of proportion, anything to not talk about issues and make it personal
because your likes want to portray any criticism of Hillary as sexist plays into the victim card goes,

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #63)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:38 AM

125. I'm sure you'll have a new outrage tomorrow. Afterall, how hard is it to twist a couple words

 

to create your new meme du jour.

You folks should head away from DU for a bit and see how these types of silly manufactured memes are playing on sites like twitter. Seems to me your attacks hurt your own candidate far more than they do the candidate you are hoping to attack.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:17 AM

108. Almost -- but not quite -- as bad as superpredators. nt

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:18 AM

11. How is that worse than if someone was actually called a whore?

The two terms have completely different meanings, corporate whore isn't a sexist slur.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:22 AM

14. The statement is beyond defense.

I initially saw out-of-context quotes and actually felt he didn't mean to draw a link to Hillary in the statement.

I was wrong and am pissed off that I was misled into thinking that he didn't mean to imply that Hillary is a "corporate Democratic WHORE".

It's indefensible. Hillary is a woman and you can NEVER link those words. Ever.

Stop.

Quit while you're ahead.

Even Bernie has said:

Dr. Song's comment was inappropriate and insensitive. There's no room for language like that in our political discourse.


Listen to Bernie. Please.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:25 AM

20. Just knock it off, I won't be bullied or shamed for my opinion.

She wasn't called a gender based slur, go paddle it somewhere else.

It wasn't the best choice of words but it's not the same as calling someone a whore.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:27 AM

24. I can't stop you from being stubborn

But I can tell you that I think you're

1) wrong and

2) defending something that it is indefensible


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Response to Dem2 (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:29 AM

27. And I can tell you that this is just the daily poutrage and it's absurd.

Tomorrow it will be another non-issue to distract people.

It's all rather boring and predictable at this point.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:32 AM

29. Unfortunately, this one was real

I generally trash all the "poutrage of the day" posts, but this one was witnessed by my kid attending the rally and it left an impression that was disturbing to my kid.

I feel that an apology was necessary in this instance and both parties apologized, thus this was a real honest to goodness screw up on the part of said speaker. I'm ready to move on if you are.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:36 AM

33. Now it's about harming the children? Really?


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:39 AM

35. OK, now you've gone too far



Sad and pathetic. I suppose you feel like you've never lost an argument.

I can see why.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:43 AM

36. Once you reach for the "you're wrong because think of the children" argument you've already lost.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:43 AM

38. Who do you think took that picture?

God damn it, you are not being a nice person.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:47 AM

40. You're missing the point, the appeal to emotion fallacy is an automatic fail.

Leave your kid out of it, they are irrelevant to whether or not I find the term corporate whore offensive.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:50 AM

44. Disgusting

It was OFFENSIVE to my kid FFS.

My god.

I'm done with you.

Go ahead, get in your last word.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #44)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:55 AM

46. What's disgusting is your trying to make this about your kid.

It's really a lame attempt to shame me because I wasn't properly horrified by a term that's not the least bit offensive.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:07 PM

129. Nice (as the kids say)

pwnage.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #129)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:46 PM

140. I really wanted to go further but I was too nice, I see others didn't hold back though.


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Response to Dem2 (Reply #44)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:53 AM

81. What the hell is your kid doing alone at a rally?

That's fucking insane. What kind of parent lets their kid roam around adults in NY where people fucking cuss all the fucking time?

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #81)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:55 AM

85. Lol

Very funny.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #85)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:02 AM

90. You brought you child into this

I am assuming your child is old enough to go out alone, but fuck if I know.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #90)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:04 AM

93. Washington Square is essentially NYU

Not sure if you know this.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #93)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:09 AM

97. Yeah so

Either your child is old enough to go out alone or not. If your child is old enough to go out alone I guarantee you he has heard a lot of rough language especially if he is on a college campus. Fuck he has probably heard it from his professors.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #93)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:38 PM

133. Your kid is enrolled at NYU?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:53 AM

80. You need to drop this. You're not coming off well. That comment is indefensible.

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Response to brush (Reply #80)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:51 PM

141. I'm not the one dragging kids into it because I'm losing the argument and trying to gin up outrage.

You need to drop it because I don't give a flying fuck about all of this manufactured drama.

I have no pearls to clutch or vapours to get.

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Response to brush (Reply #80)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:08 PM

148. I know right? ...

... just how low can they go?

[rhetorical] - don't answer that.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:39 AM

59. Clutching pearls. Oh ny

 

You said God damn it!! Taking the good lords name in vain!!!! Oh the shame. The horror. Some one save me from the ugliness.



See how that works!

If you were at the rally and took the picture how could you have taken the statement out of context when you heard it with your own ears. Or am I missing something in your post?

Sorry your child was hurt. Perhaps you should not take a child to an adult event!

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Response to Silver_Witch (Reply #59)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:43 AM

64. They went on their own

Thanks for the 5-year old remarks, however.

Very mature.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:46 AM

39. That ain't right .... nt

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Response to salinsky (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:47 AM

41. Logical fallacies never are.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:35 AM

54. You want Sanders to apologize for something he never said because someone the comment was NOT

directed towards heard it?

Just how abstract is guilt suppose to become these days? Because if it is you owe me an apology for lots of things other people said to someone else.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #54)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:37 AM

56. He already disavowed the statement

Dr. Song's comment was inappropriate and insensitive. There's no room for language like that in our political discourse.

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/720590717706506240


That was good enough for me, I'm moving on...

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #56)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:38 AM

58. But you brought your child into the discussion without any rationale for doing so.

That's the point I'm making.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #58)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:49 AM

74. That made 2 of us that were disgusted

My kid is a big Bernie fan, it was offensive to them, I think it makes a difference as they were actually at the rally and took that photo, recollecting clearly the offensive remark. It matters to me and it should matter to you.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #74)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:52 AM

79. Then why aren't you offended over all the objectionable things I've been witness to?

Answer -- because you can't be. It's absurd and untenable.

I'm not going to be upset because you say your children were upset.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #79)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:54 AM

82. OK

Nice argument.



You've won.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #54)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:27 PM

156. Good thing you aren't running for President!

Bernie apologized because he has manners. If someone supporting him becomes vulgar, then yes he has to say something. Someone who is out there trying to get supporters for their candidate should be sticking to the issues without name calling.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:55 PM

162. Then perhaps you can explain to your kids what

the term, "corporate whore" really means. It would be a good civics lesson. Also, what age were your kids attending that rally.

Also, this is the 21st century - the puritan fear of children hearing language they probably use anyway is outdated. That's not to say you should encourage the use of that language, but people do talk like that. And Hillary is indeed a corporate whore.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:47 AM

71. Bernie has said:

 


Dr. Song's comment was inappropriate and insensitive. There's no room for language like that in our political discourse.


What part of this don't you understand?

But hey, double-down on this pathetic sexist statement by another clueless 1%er shill of Bernie if you must! I swear Sanders most fervent supporters are his worst enemies!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #71)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:56 PM

143. What part of I'm not outraged do you not understand? I can type it slower if it helps.

It's not sexist and it's not going to make me have a cow.

Was that clear enough?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #143)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:58 PM

144. Sure, keep doing damage to Bernie

 

I won't stop you.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #144)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:22 PM

155. LMAO! Keep digging, this kabuki theater gets more outrageous every minute.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:16 PM

151. Well your opinion of name calling is being a bully!

You need to grow up you bully!

What is a slur?

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Response to Buttons3345 (Reply #151)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:18 PM

152. Not sure if new poster is being sarcastic or just not an it-getter...


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Response to Dem2 (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:44 AM

66. Again, if the shoe fits...

 

Corporate whore:
One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=corporate+whore

Basically it does apply to Hillary and many Democrats as well as most if not all Republicans...

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Response to revbones (Reply #66)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:50 AM

76. The term was "corporate Democratic whores" ...

... and he referred to Hillary twice by name directly preceding vomiting it up.

The shoe fits you quite well ...

... and, the shoe is misogyny.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #76)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:54 AM

83. So punctuation has no meaning for you?

 

Whether you are willing to admit it, you know this is just more juvenile fake outrage a la Karl Rove style. You know he didn't call her a whore. You are intelligent enough to know that, as well as the difference between a "whore" and a "corporate whore".

But if you feel the need to continue the fake outrage, have at it.

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Response to revbones (Reply #83)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:12 PM

150. In the two sentences leading up to the vile slur ...

... he directly named Hillary twice.

Who the hell do you think he was talking about?

It's not nice to call a lady a "corporate Democratic whore".

Doesn't go over well in polite society.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:43 AM

37. Up is down

I don't think an apology was required

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:48 AM

42. Of course not ...

... that's why Sanders supporters have made such a name for themselves.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:29 AM

50. Oh spare me the sanctimonious bullshit

Take it up with Haitian garment workers.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:49 AM

43. I understand why Bernie felt he should, he is campaigning.

But as far as the rest of us, pffft.

It's just another way they're trying to claim moral superiority.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:19 AM

48. The term has such a distinctive and well known meaning and used so often it is definable

and defensible. For those of you that rarely talk politics or are simply pretending to be too dumb to know the meaning of the word employed in political context, be assured it is very well known and defined especially by the politically literate.

[font size="4" color="blue"][center]corporate whore[/center][/font]


One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.
My efforts are not driven by my passion for work, but by my own gluttony, my addition to money. I have become what I once despised—forsaken myself, sacrificed my values at the corporate alter of greed. I am a corporate whore.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:41 AM

62. First of all, the term he used was "corporate Democratic whores" ...

... and he twice referred to Hillary by name directly preceding the vile slur.

Despicable.

You shouldn't defend such crass behavior.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #62)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:49 AM

75. Some corporate whores are Democrats, notable among them Are Bill and Hillary Clinton

I am sorry you are only just noticing this now.
Like Santa Clause not being real, finally learning that some of the corporate political whores are Democrats, and few have been paid so handsomely as Both William Jefferson AND Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Must be as disappointing a moment as the time I was 4 yrs old and caught my parents placing the gifts under the tree when I had expected a meet and great with the Grand Old Elf himself, it hurts, I understand.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:19 AM

12. It was "corporate Democratic whores" ...

... and he named Hillary directly twice before vomiting the disgusting term.

Despicable.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:22 AM

15. And?

Most corporate whores are men, it's not a sexist slur.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:24 AM

18. Keep rationalizing ...

... you're good at it.

And, the diminishment of the Sanders campaign accelerates.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:27 AM

25. Facts aren't rationalizing, get over it.

I'm sure there are plenty of other people who will share the poutrage and milk it for all it's worth.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:32 AM

28. The fact is ...

... Dr. Song's comment was inappropriate.

Bernie has acknowledged that fact.

You should do the same for condoning and rationalizing it.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:35 AM

31. Nope, go peddle it somewhere else, I find corrupt politicians to be offensive.

Words used to describe them not so much.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:45 AM

68. Yeah cuz using a common term that means something other than what your'e outraged about

 

is much much worse than being on stage in a racist minstrel skit using "CP Time" - that your staff approved the script of...


Oh, the horrors!

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:46 AM

69. "here" is the virtual equivalent of the street. Not a political rally for POTUS

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #69)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:35 PM

139. And? I'm still not outraged, in fact I'm quite bored by the show. Try harder.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:10 AM

99. Not corporate whore but Democratic whore.

Terrible and Bernie was there and said nothing.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:14 AM

4. I see comments like "inappropriate" and "insensitive" but no apology. Where is that at?

 

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Response to IamMab (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:56 AM

120. What I learned in kindergarten ....

 

....Mrs. smith that boy called me stupid. Mrs. Smith's reply...Well are you...Me...no! Mrs.Smith...then what are you worried about. Hmmmmm....If Hill isn't a corporate $hore then, no worries. I think the speaker should have had more guidance but that ship is sailed. Bernie apologized, said it was wrong so now we can all put our big boy pants on and get on with it. Can we please talk about the issues now?

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:14 AM

6. Bernie is running for office. No downside to apologizing.

I am not and I think "whore" is a fittingly pejorative description of a disgustingly corrupt subsection of politicians.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:15 AM

8. Well check my history and have a slice of humble pie on me.

 

I said it was like the CPT, it was inappropriate and poorly thought out, but neither sexist or racist in intent. I said that from the start and I even said Shillary was a term that bagged me more. Corporate whore is a term that is very extreme and carries baggage from the use of the word in it, but has a unisex meaning. I think it is too crass a word for use in a public venue, and a very stupid choice for a word used against a group that is struggling to be the first female president (so they do face real sexism) and they also play incredibly dirty so there is no way they would not grab on any loaded word.Did you come out against all of the horrible moves Hillary has done so far on first seeing them?

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Response to northernsouthern (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:34 AM

30. Good on you ...

... I wish more of your fellow travelers felt the same way.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:49 PM

134. fellow travelers?

"Fellow traveller" is a term, often pejorative, for a person who sympathizes with the beliefs of an organization or cooperates in its activities without maintaining formal membership in that particular group. The term was first used in the early Soviet Union to characterize writers and artists sympathetic to the goals of the Russian Revolution who declined to join the Communist Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_traveller

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:20 AM

13. Saying the words "c*******e w***e" is a far, far worse offense than being one

One is offensive name calling and the other is just bidness.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:45 AM

117. concise and well stated

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:50 PM

135. The CW word.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:24 AM

17. I never defended the comment.

 

And though I understand Song's message, it was a very poor choice of words.

"candidates beholden to corporations instead of us" might have been a better choice.

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Response to Triana (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:25 AM

21. Thank you ...

... but unfortunately, it would appear that you are an outlier.

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Response to Triana (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:29 AM

26. Agreed

He made a mistake. I don't know the guy but we'll assume his apology is sincere.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:24 AM

19. Good. He's the gentleman I hoped he was.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:35 AM

32. Nope..

 

the shoe still fits, we just have the advantage of not running for president and being able to speak bluntly with truth.. faux outrage is still faux outrage..

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:38 AM

34. Misogyny is very ugly ...

... but because you are not running for president it is your prerogative to be very ugly.

Carry on.

The diminishment of the Sanders campaign continues ...

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:25 AM

49. The term has such a distinctive and well known meaning and used so often it is definable

and defensible. For those of you that rarely talk politics or are simply pretending to be too dumb to know the meaning of the word employed in political context, be assured it is very well known and defined especially by the politically literate.

[font size="5" color="blue"][center]corporate whore[/center][/font]


One who has sold more than their labor to the corporation; one who has forsaken personal values and constitution for corporate $$; meaning of "whore" belittled when preceded by the word “corporate”; person who will sell their soul for $$.
My efforts are not driven by my passion for work, but by my own gluttony, my addition to money. I have become what I once despised—forsaken myself, I am a corporate whore.


Some of them are Republicans, some of them are Democrats, but few have so openly sacrificed their values at the corporate alter of greed. As Bill and Hilary Clinton (within our party at least)

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:30 AM

51. No. I retract nothing, and I have nothing to apologize for.

 

FUCK your guilt by association. I still don't like corporo-political whores.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #51)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:10 AM

98. You would probably feel right at home at a Trump rally ... nt

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Response to salinsky (Reply #98)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:15 AM

102. And you'd feel right at home as a character in 1984. FUCK THAT NOISE.

 

Stay the fuck under that spreading chestnut tree.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #98)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:15 AM

103. I doubt it

But I bet an authoritarian like you would...

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:33 AM

52. Nope. Not Me.

 

I will agree that it is not appropriate in a political campaign, especially if used directly against a female candidate.

But I am not going to change my view that it is perfectly acceptable and well describes those who sell their political position (or media influence) inappropriately to the highest bidder.



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Response to Armstead (Reply #52)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:29 AM

114. ....

"I will agree that it is not appropriate in a political campaign, especially if used directly against a female candidate."

That's big of you.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:34 AM

53. All of you hypocrites would use that term for an R

And you know it.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #53)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:37 AM

57. Not "would," "have."

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #53)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:45 AM

67. Why would we use the term "corporate Democratic whores" to refer to Rs ...

... that doesn't even make any sense.

Try again.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #53)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:00 AM

87. You inadvertantly just nailed the point — it was inappropriate for dems to call other dems that

Have at it with repugs.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:36 AM

55. OMG! Are you serious. Some guy makes a comment and you want us to do 15 Hail Mary's and

10 our Fathers....unbelievable. Wasn't it a wonderful diverse and YUUUUUUGGGGEEE rally!

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:40 AM

60. If candidates are responsible for every rude comment a supporter utters...

 

...Hill's got a lot of I'm sorry's right on this forum. She better get busy. People are responsible for the words that come out of their mouths and no one else.

Way to turn an apology into a dagger. Twist away.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #60)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:17 AM

106. "People are responsible for the words that come out of their mouths and no one else."

He was invited by the campaign to speak as a surrogate of and advocate for the candidate.

Bernie was correct to apologize.

It's unfortunate that his followers lack his sound judgement.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #106)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:49 AM

118. Not sure the term follower applies to me.

 

I'm ok with the apology. Why do people use the term follower instead of supporter. Blind follower, as in cult perchance? Just so you know, it's not nice!

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Response to peace13 (Reply #118)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:54 AM

119. Oops ...

... I use the terms "follower" and "supporter" interchangeably.

Maybe, I should rethink that.

Mea Culpa ...

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Response to salinsky (Reply #119)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:57 AM

121. : )

 

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:40 AM

61. I also would like to hear the defense of the whore remark from all the Bernie supporters on DU

 

that thought it was a great thing.

Bernie Sanders himself just said it was wrong so go ahead and tell me where Bernie is wrong on this BS supporters.....

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:47 AM

72. Oh, they're making their case right here ...

... and they think referring to Hillary as a "corporate Democratic whore" is not only defensible ...

... they think it's commendable!

They are who we thought they were.

And, they sure as hell aren't Democrats.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #72)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:54 AM

84. "And, they sure as hell aren't Democrats."

 

Agreed.

Apparently Sanders followers think any democrat that isn't a Bernie acolyte is a "democratic corporate whore"!

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:51 AM

77. He insulted actual prostitutes.

 

Corporate sellouts put us all in danger.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:52 AM

78. nope

He doesn't need to apologize for someone else's language nor will I apologize for using the word in a generic sense to apply to politicians who trade access and votes for money and campaign support. No one called Hillary a whore.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #78)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:08 AM

96. He was invited to speak by the Sanders campaign ...

... as a surrogate of and advocate for the candidate.

Bernie was right to apologize.

Too bad his supporters lack his good judgement.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #96)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:17 AM

107. Yeah too bad

I'll continue to take responsibility for my own actions. Corporate whores need to be purged from the Democratic Party.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #107)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:18 AM

110. I feel a purge coming ...

... but, you might not like it.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #110)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:20 AM

112. From DU?

Unimportant.
On the ground is where it's happening.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #110)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:04 PM

146. DU doesn't purge if that what you mean.

Once a nominee is chosen, people aren't allowed to advocate or state they're voting for another candidate, but they also don't have to affirm a vote for the nominee. Many progressives just stay silent on the subject until after the election. No big deal. I'm voting for whoever is the nominee but I would never support a "purge".

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:57 AM

86. "Corporate whore" Not just "whore"

Totally appropriate remark and accurate description. No apology from me. Fuck no. Most politicians are corporate whores because of the costs involved in reelection. They are corporate whites, shills.

The remark was appropriate. I hope it causes people to really think about the shithole this country could become because of the fucked up agendas forced upon us by these corporate monkeys.... whores. It's what they are.

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Response to katsy (Reply #86)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:03 AM

92. Why do you keep leaving out a word and ignoring the context? ...

The term was "corporate Democratic whores", and he referred to Hillary directly by name twice before dropping it.

Let's just keep in mind that this slur was used in an interparty political primary.

It is entirely inappropriate and completely unjustifiable.

Thank goodness Bernie has the good judgement and tact that his supporters clearly lack.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #92)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:43 AM

115. Ok corporate democratic whore

Same thing as corporate republican whore.

Not sexist. FACIST

They are fucking fascists. M/F/B/W/H/A/other/LGBTQ/athiest/thiest/hypocrit
/human/indy/gop/democrat

However they identify they are fucking corporate whores.

Nothing has infuriated me more than HRC milking this as a gender issue. It is not. It is not now. It was not when the term corporate whore was coined. It is accurate when calling out corporate democratic whores like DWS and when calling out corporate republican whores (like all the GOP).

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:01 AM

88. You are under the mistaken impression that Bernie is our boss or our leader.

He is with us not ahead of us with us. He speaks for us, but not instead of us. We aren't going to agree with everything he says and he is going to have his own opinions as well. So fuck this shit. He isn't responsible for everything that comes out of someone else's mouth. If he wants to apologize fine. He can apologize for Hiroshima and Nagasaki too I mean fuck it if we want to keep apologizing for shit we didn't do we might as well apologize for shit that matters where real people got killed and injured for life and lost family. As far as I know in this incident no one was fucking hurt. Except maybe the feelings of some Corporate Whore and her apologists.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:01 AM

89. There are two universes in this primary

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One universe is online, where people bicker, fight, ruminate and hand wring over every damn thing that happens.

The other universe is real life--where the bigger picture is.

Bernie apologized in the bigger-picture universe. I think it's cool that he did it. This will be settled science in the newspapers and on television--and in the general sense. It's not that big of a deal.

But don't tell that to the faux outragemongers on the Interwebs! They'll continue to foam at the mouth and long after the majority has moved on. Frankly--I've heard the term "corporate whore" repeatedly from DUers of all stripes. It's manufactured controversy, because right now--there is no controversy. Remember, the Clinton campaign is in the "Destroy" phase of their oh-so brilliant, "Destroy, Defeat and Unify" grand plan.

People on DU and on other sites who continue with this faux outrage are doing this in a little online corner of the world. It doesn't matter.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #89)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:44 AM

116. +1,000 nt

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:03 AM

91. Bernie just calming the PR...maybe some of those of you who are 'outraged' could explain this:

was it the words 'Democratic corporate whores' that are so offensive to you....

or the context/definition of what that phrase embodies?

it doesn't seem that it could possibly be both...

and if you think it was directed solely at Hillary, here again...words or definition?

if it's just the words, suggest something else that will suffice to portray the definition...

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:04 AM

94. I do not apologize for truth. You can get my apology as soon as hell freezes over and

pigs sprout wings. This is a non-issue, pumped up by Hillary supporters .

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:07 AM

95. Keep it up! Your faux outrage ensures a permanent link to Hillary and "corporate whore"

 

In every Google search.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #95)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:13 AM

100. Sorry, but this one has legs ...

... calling her "unqualified" was bad enough.

"Corporate democratic whore" should seal the deal.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #100)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:14 AM

101. In your dreams nt

 

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Response to salinsky (Reply #100)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:54 PM

136. The outrage over "unqualified" is even more ridiculous.

You'd think he called her the c-word from the reaction of some people.

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Response to frylock (Reply #136)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:18 PM

153. Would it...

have mattered? Is there really a line at this point that people would not vigorously defend?

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Response to MrWendel (Reply #153)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:19 PM

154. smdh

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Response to frylock (Reply #154)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:30 PM

157. Tis...

the season.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:15 AM

104. I don't think an apology was necessary.

 

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:16 AM

105. I'd never defend it. I'm glad he apologized.

 

Misogyny is one form of bigotry that most are still blind to. Most of us have a lot of growing to do on this issue.

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Response to vintx (Reply #105)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:20 AM

111. Good on you ...

... thanks for stepping up.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:18 AM

109. I'd like know...

...does he disagree with the language or the label?

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:58 AM

122. First of all there is nothing I have to apologize for,

since I called it unacceptable yesterday.

However, has HRC ever apologized for applauding
the remark by M. Albright? I don't think so.

Threatening women, who may not vote for HRC,
with going to Hell is certainly a bigger insult to me.

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #122)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:14 AM

124. First of all, thanks for acknowledging that it was unacceptable ...

... but, wow ...

... I don't see any equivalency with Albright's remark at all.

At worst, Albright's remark was dated and off key in our current political discourse.

But, it came from an old school feminist who has been through the gauntlet and fought the battles.

The "corporate Democratic whores" remark was just disgusting.

No comparison.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:03 AM

123. ** off with your fake outrage

 

I want an apology from H for sending fracking around the globe, children dying because of bombs or regime change antics that she did to be tough as nails.

But that isn't gonna happen, isn't it?

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Response to artislife (Reply #123)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:09 PM

130. You know what would be

even more pathetic. If the "fake outrage" isn't fake.

Lordie.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #130)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:31 PM

131. Spare me, I will get you a fainting couch

 

and let you have a space for your melodrama.

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Response to artislife (Reply #131)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:34 PM

132. LOL

I was kidding. God I hope you know that.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #132)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:46 PM

159. Now I do...now I see your avatar...

 

Sometimes, I see red!

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Response to Puglover (Reply #130)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:57 PM

137. Probably runs about 50/50.

Someone upthread seems pretty upset that their college-aged kid was exposed to such foul language.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:45 AM

126. I guess Bernie Bros ...

... aren't big on contrition.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #126)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:58 PM

138. This is so rad.

Bernie Bros lol!

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:55 AM

127. Nothing wrong was said

 

It was the truth. People who take money for favors are political corporate whores. It's your problem you associated it with Hillary. Nobody called her a whore. You guys just clutch your pearls and faint.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #127)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:58 AM

128. The term was "corporate Democratic whores" ...

... and he had twice mentioned Hillary by name directly preceding spewing it.

No matter how you want to spin it, it can't be unsaid.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:55 PM

142. Most of the politicians in this country are corporate whores.

 

I wouldn't have said it in a speech, but it's exactly correct and unobjectionable usage. It describes what they do.

But you did manage to make me waste my time, Mr. Not Actually Alinsky But Thinks He's Learned a Lesson About Word-Coding.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #142)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:04 PM

145. You're welcome ...

... and you're correct.

"Corporate Democratic whores" is not very tactful.

And, when the two sentences preceding the term referred to Hillary directly by name, not very smart nor judicious.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #145)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:39 PM

158. Also completely irrelevant to the universe.

 

I'd rather say something injudicious than pursue pro-Wall Street policies in exchange for legal bribes dressed up as speech fees.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:49 PM

160. Bernie was right to disavow the "corporate whore" remark, but

if the shoe fits . . .

Bernie as a candidate can't use such language, but face it, that's what she is, and we all know it.

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Response to salinsky (Original post)

Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:51 PM

161. Locking

 

A forum for general discussion of the Democratic presidential primaries. Disruptive meta-discussion is forbidden.


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