2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOn CNN just now, Robbie Mook, HRC campaign manager...
They asked him wouldn't he prefer big crowds like Bernie got last night....he said it wasn't as big as Bernie campaign said. He also said Hillary prefers small crowds.
They asked him about visit to Vatican, and he said that was up to the campaign, but Hillary was concentrating on New York. Of course they allowed him to get away with that. No question about her CA fundraiser.
They mentioned the "corporate whore" statement...Mook said he was glad Bernie FINALLY apologized for it.
It was disgusting.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)We all know what the term "Corporate Whore" means, and it is the bread-and-butter to Third-Way Democrats. It's how they make their fortunes.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)Doesn't he have people who let him know about this sort of thing? How will he deal with major issues that arise while he's asleep, in parts of the world where it's the middle of the day?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I kind of think when there is a campaign event with over 20,000 people and a lot going on, a dumb phrased used by one of the speakers was not the most important thing in the world last night....Apples and oranges.
athena
(4,187 posts)No big deal. Can wait till morning.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)When someone insults women, women get mocked for being offended.
Unbelievable.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)Once again, please stop confusing the comments posted here by Hillary's supporters with Hillary's own views.
athena
(4,187 posts)Bernie has already indicated that he does not consider women's issues are not a priority. His supporters have pushed women's rights back by decades, by making it OK to insult women and mock them when they're offended.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I won't even dignify that total mischaracterization with an answer
athena
(4,187 posts)If you think this nastiness and condescension makes Bernie and his supporters look good, you're wrong.
But go on. Be even nastier. Be my guest. The more you insult and mock Hillary supporters, the more you refuse to address the comments people make, the more you make it clear that you don't, in fact, have answers.
The bottom line is that women are not a priority in Bernie's campaign. A large portion of Bernie supporters are woman-haters, which is why women are increasingly turning toward Hillary.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But not when people say things like
"Bernie has already indicated that he does not consider women's issues are not a priority. His supporters have pushed women's rights back by decades..."
Not going there.
astrophuss42
(290 posts)But however you get to sleep at night.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)And "corporate whore" is gender neutral.
So stop with the faux outrage
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)and it is a tough pack you are competing against.
"World events"?
The internet and media pundit universe is flaming around overnight about the use of the term 'corporate whore' (by someone who is not even running for president) and you are equating that with Bernie's ability to deal with 'world events'?
I wonder if anyone will study the archives of DU someday to see how completely bankrupt the political discourse was in the primary 2016 season.
This madness puts 2004 and 2008 to shame. Looks like we weren't even trying back then.
athena
(4,187 posts)Waiting 12 hours to deal with it is not a problem.
Every post that defends this nastiness makes my point clearer to anyone who is not hopelessly biased in favor of Bernie.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Corporate Democratic Whores, it's not about Hillary alone it's about all the democrats that put corporate interests ahead of the interests of real people. And real people are suffering and dying and you have the gall to reduce that term down to one word and pretend you are outraged. Where is your outrage over issues of people dying and suffering under our current system while you cling to the status quo?
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I simply disagreed with your idea that this was akin to a major overnight 'world event'. And thought it was a prime example of how off-the-rails the convo here has gotten.
I do not think it is a problem that Bernie didn't 'deal with it' until this morning. The guy who said it apologized last night. This morning Bernie made it clear that such language is not okay in his campaign. In a sane world, that would be the end of the story in this context.
Sexism is a serious issue, and the use of the word whore in any context is arguably inappropriate. As a woman I think serious conversations do need to be had about the use of such words to dismiss people, especially women, in politics or anywhere else. Word choice matters. I would prefer specific and precise language to inflammatory language. However, no serious, intellectually honest conversation is being had here in GDP about that. All there is is opportunistic, partisan mud-slinging. So don't front about that, because I'm not playing.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And even if he had he shouldn't apologize for using an apt comparison for the specific type of politician that has infected the Democratic Party. But I understand why he apologized and don't hold it against him.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)It must have wounded you to take the time to comment on it.
See how that works?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)....but good taste prevents it
artislife
(9,497 posts)We will completely get up and leave.
artislife
(9,497 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Wait, what are we pissed about?
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)liars for another.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)MattP
(3,304 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Welcome...hope you got a good nights sleep!
Thank you OP for an informative article about the media and its bias for Mrs. Clinton or Secretary of State Clinton or Senator Clinton. Don't want to offend any Clinton supporters by calling her by the wrong Title!
Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)But, I think it is pretty cool that Mook is the first openly gay person to run a Prez campaign and that it is no issue at all. Don't think even Trump or Cruz have mentioned it.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I don't think even Trump would go there, or Cruz.
rurallib
(62,415 posts)her team has taken a sure thing and turned it into a possible loser.
If she gets the nomination, i sure hope they don't screw up the presidential campaign as badly as they have dome the primary.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)Problem. She brought in top Obama people who helped him win in 2008 and 2012 and she is still a giant mess. If Deval Patrick or Elizabeth Warren had run against Hillary, this race would be over and she'd be a 2-time loser. She just isn't a good candidate.
Segami
(14,923 posts)demands that the crust be trimmed on all her sandwiches.
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)The excuse that it happened before he arrived is meaningless. It's his rally - he is running for President. He is responsible for everything that happened at that podium. Instead, he showed how out of touch he is and how dysfunctional his campaign staff really is.
The only other explanation is - he wanted that despicable comment to marinate in the media for a while to do more damage to the Democratic Party.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)when Bernie suspends his campaign - will you support Sec. Clinton's bid for the Presidency?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Presidency. . . . . And by the time he's done with his 8 years, Hillary will be too old to run by then.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Plus, it is none of your business. That is the real answer.
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Are ya makin' a list, checkin' it twice? Gonna wave it around like Joe McCarthy?
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Simple enough question, sorry you feel so defensive about answering it.
djean111
(14,255 posts)a year now, like it is supposed to be ominous and authoritative and full of dire consequences from whoever decides to pipe up with it.
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)But I get that passions run high. I'm just a guy who thinks electing Democrats is always better than electing Republicans - warts and all.
You may, of course, see it differently.
djean111
(14,255 posts)mrdmk
(2,943 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Fapping material for later?
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Short on content - long on anger.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)And when it comes to calling names and characterizing people... Pot - kettle - black.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)When you wake up and the fascist take-over of our country is complete, will you be happy?
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)And chemtrails?
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)Hillary's team decided to use that as an excuse to attack Bernie and twist it into something sexist because they are desperate and have nothing else. Bernie couldn't have realized that they were going to do that. In the future, Bernie needs to make sure all of the people speaking at his events don't say anything that can be twisted as sexist because Hillary lives for perpetual victimhood.
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)the term "whore" really is sexist and beyond the pale. Don't know why supporters are rushing to defend the comments since Sen. Sanders has said "there is no room in our campaign for language like that."
frylock
(34,825 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Just don't post a definition of the word
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Small crowds full of rich people who pay $2700 per head and bundle $2700 per person from their well to do subordinates and business associates they are able to bully into contributions. The Queen doesn't like to have to mix with people outside of her social circle.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)That's why she has so many Hill Shills out trolling for her.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)But hopefully, change is coming.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Faux pas
(14,681 posts)small intimate secret crowds really impress the hell out of me...NOT.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Begala and Brazille actually said with straight faces, that crowd sizes were not important.
Not in our world, huh?
askew
(1,464 posts)The country. But, at least back then, Hillary could still draw a decent crowd. Now, she can only get over 1,000 attendees if she counts all of her volunteers, staff and Dem insiders. It's pathetic.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)beaglelover
(3,484 posts)Stop whining. Jesus Christ!
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That I can hear!!!!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)The inadvertent placement of that phrase was perfect.
"It was disgusting."
Myrina
(12,296 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)are they over west...like around Buffalo...she's really covering the state this weekend...
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)That is what totally pissed me off.
Peregrine Took
(7,413 posts)Have a playing card in the spokes in his bike?
Wear a beanie with a propeller on it?