Bernie insults black voters and lies about the math ...

[salinsky]

... all in one interview.

Way to go, Bernie!



This guy's candidacy is way past its shelf life ....

Bernie Sanders told “Nightly Show” host Larry Wilmore at a taping Wednesday evening that scheduling Southern states early in the Democratic primary “distorts reality.”

Sanders’ remarks came after Wilmore asked him whether he believed the Democratic primary system is “rigged.”

“Well, you know,” Sanders said, “people say, ‘Why does Iowa go first, why does New Hampshire go first,’ but I think that having so many Southern states go first kind of distorts reality as well.”

.....

Despite his Southern struggles, Sanders insisted to Wilmore that he can win the Democratic nomination, despite lagging by more than 200 pledged delegates. “Our path is with the math,” the Vermont senator said. “We started off this campaign having to run in the Deep South—”

http://time.com/4293069/bernie-sanders-says-democratic-primary-schedule-distorts-reality/

[Autumn]

1. Bernie sure is right on that. i think primaries should be one day nation wide.

No caucus, mail in ballots.

[Blue_Adept]

32. The impossibility of that is simply staggering.

[Autumn]

39. Really? Here in CO we are mailed our ballots for elections we fill it out and mail it back.

If you feel like driving you can drop it off. The Caucus sucks and we need to do away with that. But seriously how fucking hard so you think it is to mail those out ? If some states can do mail in ballots to say it's impossible is just ridiculous. How hard is it for the whole country to vote in November in one day? We do it every 4 years.

[Blue_Adept]

46. As a single state, yes

Doing that for all fifty at one time, yes, the logistics of the actual vote itself is fine.

The lead up to it? The logistics are simply impossible and would disenfranchise a significant number of people. And we're not talking about a single election. We're talking about time for candidates to get around the country, fundraise to do it, interact with local concerns, build connections to local politicians, etc.

This is stuff that has to be done gradually - partially to show that they're ABLE to build this coalitions.

I completely respect you as a poster and have enjoyed the sharpness of many of your posts. But in this area it's something that I think you're looking at very narrowly and not what's really involved. It's like saying a country should be run as a business in saying that the primary season should be run like a single national election.

[Autumn]

50. Colorado is not the only state with mail in ballots. How do you figure that mail in ballots in a

primary will disenfranchise a significant number of people? Do you think that caucuses are inclusive? Because caucus disenfranchise a lot and I mean a lot of voters, the voters who actually need to have a say in choosing who represents them.

So have a nation wide primary when the last state usualy votes or caucuses. The politicians can campaign as usual . Personally I think they campaign too fucking much, cut back on that shit and have nation wide televised debate, Their campaigns show nothing of their coalition building skills it shows what politicians owe them favors. It shows who can bullshit the best.

[bettyellen]

57. You only vote once every four years? You're forgetting we're talking primary and GE this year....

but also about the midterms? We are in deep shit because Dems do not pay attention to the midterms. UGH.

[Autumn]

61. You didn't read my post? I pointed out that mail in ballots in states that have them work just fine

in a nationwide elections where you decide on the President and etc and I think primaries should work the same way. Voting should be as easy as mailing off a payment for a bill. We wouldn't be in deep shit if we didn't make people stand in line for fucking hours to vote.

[Demsrule86]

69. Really

In my opinion...the Gop states would steal every election forever.

[Autumn]

70. They are paper ballots, not eletronic voting. nt

[Avalux]

2. Nice try! Tee up and try again.......

[brush]

28. Sanders joined the party 9 months ago. The primary schedule with Super Tuesday . . .

primaries in southern states early has been in place for several presidential cycles. It wasn't designed to thwart Sanders.

He should have joined that party years ago, worked to help get other dems elected, built up goodwill and thus gain super delegates and national recognition outside of New England, then the AA voters in the early southern primaries would have known who he was and he would have won some of those early primaries and he'd probably be in the lead now.

He chose to stay independent for all those years. It is what it is. He has to deal with it.

[salinsky]

41. This is absolutely true ...

Bernie had a plan of how to run as a revolutionary insurgent against the establishment, he just didn't have a plan of how to win as a revolutionary insurgent against the establishment.

[geek tragedy]

3. Such a whiner, wahh wahhh had to compete for votes in all parts of the country waahh waahhh

After the beat down his low turnout revolution is going to get over the next 12 days, at least that talking point should go away.

P.S. Virginia isn't the Deep South. Neither is South Florida.

[Zen Democrat]

29. Virginia isn't Deep South? Tell that to Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, suh!

Outside of the DC suburbs, Virginia is as Old Dixie as you can get!

[geek tragedy]

30. How did Bernie do in the DC suburbs? nt

[still_one]

31. but you left out the extremely deep south state of Ohio

[geek tragedy]

33. and Illinois, and Iowa, and Nevada, and Arizona. Soon to be joined by Brooklyn nt

[still_one]

42. Brooklyn. That is where my Dad was born, but he didn't have a southern drawl

[geek tragedy]

43. I guess Bernie will be a native Southerner after Tuesday nt

[still_one]

44. LOL

[enlightenment]

4. Hmm.

[notadmblnd]

5. So you associate the Deep South with POC?

When you hear people say "deep south" the thought of AA's pop into your head?

And you are offended by that? Explain, please.

[geek tragedy]

10. he lost the south because there were large numbers of black voters in those primaries.

not because they watch NASCAR or speak with a twang or because they like to watch college football or because they like fried food or because Republicans in those states are crazy rightwing.

because black voters did not and do not feel him, and rejected him by overwhelming margins.

[MADem]

15. +1,000!

Yep, it helps to click the link! LOL!

[LonePirate]

34. I think he lost the south because he barely campaigned there and people seldom vote for unknowns

For many Democrats, Hillary is a known and well-liked person. If one of those Democrats walked up to the voting booth and saw her name along with Bernie's name and they knew next to nothing about Bernie, they are probably going to vote for Hillary.

If Bernie had spent more time campaigning in the south and introducing himself to voters, he likely would have performed better in the south.

[geek tragedy]

36. he campaigned in South Carolina. He did so poorly, but he did try there. nt

[MADem]

13. Did you even bother to click the LINK before you got personal with the thread starter?

This "So you" shit gets old after a while.

From the frigging LINK:

Hillary Clinton has overwhelmingly defeated Sanders in Southern primary contests. In South Carolina, the fourth state in the primary, Sanders’ margin of defeat was a landslide 48 points. A few days after that contest, Sanders lost by large margins in Arkansas, Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Virginia on March 1. Sanders also lost Florida and Mississippi, which vote slightly later that month.


Black voters make up a disproportionate share of the Democratic electorate in those Southern states, and constitute a voting bloc in which Sanders has consistently underperformed. The Vermont senator has been more successful in smaller, whiter and more liberal states like Maine, Washington and Minnesota. Sanders has also been able to win a slightly larger portion of black voters in northern states like Michigan and Illinois, exit polls showed.

Despite his Southern struggles, Sanders insisted to Wilmore that he can win the Democratic nomination, despite lagging by more than 200 pledged delegates. “Our path is with the math,” the Vermont senator said. “We started off this campaign having to run in the Deep South—”

“Trust me, I know about running in the Deep South,” Wilmore interjected.

Sanders laughed and continued. “Since we got out of the South we’re doing pretty well,” he said.

Now, it looks, to me, like SANDERS and TIME MAGAZINE (and anyone who takes note of the make-up of the electorate) is in that So you associate the Deep South with POC? category.

Why? The answer is in the ARTICLE: Black voters make up a disproportionate share of the Democratic electorate in those Southern states, and constitute a voting bloc in which Sanders has consistently underperformed.

[notadmblnd]

38. Always about race with you Hillary folks

To the freaking point of obsession. It's a sickness with her supporters and it's just as old and tiring watching HRC supporters twist and turn everything that is said into racist and sexist accusations. And If I can't put up with that- you can put up with the stupid shit I say back.

Else- feel free to use your ignore button.

[MADem]

55. That's why Larry said he knows something about running in the south. It IS "always about race"

when a large voting block of black people is denigrated as an "unfair disadvantage" to Saint Bernard.

Maybe if he'd tried appealing to that segment rather than dogwhistling about "white working men" he would have been better off.

He has only himself to blame for his clumsy, bone headed missteps--that continue to this day, with that kind of talk.

[Matt_in_STL]

52. Point out where Bernie insulted black voters

He did not associate the south with black voters, the article did, and he didn't write the article. Lies, lies, and more lies as to be expected. Keep throwing that shot at the wall - maybe it will stick.

[MADem]

53. If Bernie didn't know those demographic facts (and they ARE facts) then no wonder he's losing. nt

[Matt_in_STL]

58. So, when you say "the south" you are specifically saying "black"?

[MADem]

59. Are you having trouble with the link? You go click the link and read, slowly and CAREFULLY,

what it says about Democratic voter demographics.

Run along now....and stop trolling me. What you're doing is ugly and obvious.

[Matt_in_STL]

62. The link does not say what the OP insinuates

You are insisting Bernie insulted black voters. Either you are lying or being intentionally obtuse.

[MADem]

63. No--YOU are "insisting" that I am in "insisting" Bernie insulted black voters. YOU MADE THAT UP.

Go on, read the whole damn exchange between us.

Point out the bit where i said "WAAAAH....Berrrrrnie is INSULTING BLACK VOTERS!!!!!"


Come on, tick tock--I'll wait.

You made up that phrase and tried to shove it in my mouth. I didn't bite. Instead of slinking away, you came back at me with it again, like repetition of a made up lie somehow makes it true.

That's called trolling and it is an ugly thing to do--I suggest you cease, unless you're interested in cementing a bad reputation.

[ieoeja]

66. The OP, not the person to whom are responding, "made up that phrase". n/t

[MADem]

67. Tell that to your buddy Matt! nt

[LondonReign2]

17. Implying racism is job #1 for some in the Weathervane Typist Brigade

Gotta hit item #1 on your to-do list, don't you?

[MADem]

60. Sounds to me like the Bernie Bro Brigade has that well in hand.

You need to get your memes straight, too. "Brigading" is a term used by redditers for Bernie. Team Clinton has never used that expression.

[KingFlorez]

25. That is where most of the black vote is concentrated

In the Democratic primaries in southern states the bulk of the vote was black.

[Meteor Man]

6. Calling Bullshit

No racism even implied in this criticism of the process. Another faux outrage du jour.

[lasttrip]

7. yeah ok.

Peace.
LT

[CrowCityDem]

8. Caucuses distort reality too. Where's his complaint?

[asuhornets]

9. Bernie Sanders:::

me, me, me, me, and me again. He only thinks of himself. And excuses. He claims he's losing because the South went first. So I guess he's saying, he preferred to be losing later than sooner.

[MADem]

16. Because those BLACK PEOPLE in the SOUTH went first!

The article makes that quite clear!

[asuhornets]

22. Exactly!!!

The nerve!!!

[Hiraeth]

11. !

[artislife]

12. Gee you have been busy in your month and a half of being here.

Your dedication to posting OPs and replies are ...admirable.

Glad you decided to get involved, no matter how late in the game.

[MADem]

18. You're pretty new, yourself--you didn't turn up until Sanders jumped in.

Just sayin'......

Glad you decided to get involved, no matter how late in the game.

[salinsky]

27. Thanks! ...

... you know the funny thing is that I've never had much interest in DU because I thought it's just Democrats posting, and I thought it would be all kumbaya.

Boy, was I ever wrong ...

... about it being all kumbaya, and about it being just Democrats!

[artislife]

54. This stinks like 3 day old garbage....

just saying.

[Sheepshank]

14. Gotta keep those donations pouring in

Paychecks for all need to be maintained. Weaver has botox to fund for one thing. lol

[anotherproletariat]

19. I'm glad someone else noticed that! Several of my dormmates from Southern states were livid!!

The good news is that Sanders is losing supporters every time he talks these days.

Interestingly, one of these friends had just returned from the Sanders rally, and was telling me how uncomfortable she felt with all the 'hateful group speak' (her words) she heard from attendees at the rally. She had previously said she was voting for Sanders, but I'm pretty sure she has changed her mind.

[basselope]

23. Yep, losing them so far he pulled ahead in national polling...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/a-sanders-surge-in-polling-if-not-delegates/477198/

[Blue_Adept]

35. Well, since it's all landline based and not accurate...

no surprise that it would account for the losses from those that are all cell phone/digital based.

[basselope]

40. So you are saying the lead is greater?

Cool.

[Blue_Adept]

47. A most excellent complete misread of what I said

Changing the narrative to fit your belief. Thanks.

[basselope]

49. Well, you refered to lack of cell phones.

Which would EXCLUDE younger voters, who break.. what is it, 80/20 for Sanders?

So leaving cell phones off ONLY serves to aid Clinton.

That's just a reality.

[Impedimentus]

20. Lead balloon

THUMP !

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[basselope]

21. Where's the problem in what he said?

“Well, you know,” Sanders said, “people say, ‘Why does Iowa go first, why does New Hampshire go first,’ but I think that having so many Southern states go first kind of distorts reality as well.”

Did you miss the words "as well" ??

[salinsky]

24. "Black people are distorting the vote!!" ...

... it doesn't really play that well, does it?

[basselope]

26. It plays exactly the same as "White people are distorting the vote".

But that isn't even remotely close to what he said.

[Tarc]

37. Hillary has the "mathmentum", great line.

I like Colbert as and all, but have been tuning in to The Nightly Show much more often lately.

[zazen]

45. trash thread n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

48. You guys really need this BS racism charge to stick just to edge through.

That says so much about what you're peddling.

[WDIM]

51. Wow most black people are not from the south.

Shows your level of racism to assume black people only live in the south.

The south is more conservative and republican and favored the more republican candidate that is the distortion Sanders is talking about. It had nothing to do with race you are just projecting your own beliefs.

[notadmblnd]

56. Thank you!

POC is not the first thing that pops into my head when someone uses the term "deep south" The words that pop in my head are words such as Mississipi, Alabama, hot, humid, farming, cooking, southern food.

And I do think it goes to show just how freaking obsessed HRC supporters are with using the race card and that their thinking that way actually exposes their own bigotry.

[MADem]

64. Where did the poster say "most black people ARE from the south?" Hmmmmm?

Maybe you should click on the link and read the article, too.

[WDIM]

68. She implied it.

Sanders never mentions black people in the interview. The poster turned it into a POC issue when that is not the distortion Sanders is speaking if. The south is deep red dixiecrats conservative bible belt. Its going to favor the conservative in the race. which Hillary is.

[MADem]

71. Implied, eh? In what fashion? How? You are not making your case. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

65. Placing you on ignore. Goodbye. nt