I have to admit it...I just don't like her

[Armstead]

I don''t like Ted Cruze or Donald Trump either.

Kasick I disagree with totally, but I kinda like him. (Would never vote for him though)

Clinton, I just don't like her. I don't like her attitude, and I think she is not what we need in a President.

I don't like what she represents, and I don't like what she and Bill have done to the Democratic Party.

Much of it boils down to that.

Sorry.

And before anyone might respond -- I like Elizabeth Warren and many otehr female Democratic politicians. And I would be comfortable with many of them running for Prez -- even the ones I might disagree with on some things.

PS: I realize it doesn't matter what my likes and dislikes are. But this is a discussion board, and that's my own 2 cents.

[JoePhilly]

1. She'll get over it.

[Armstead]

13. She won't ever know or care

[JoePhilly]

19. Most of us didn't need to know ... and also don't care.

I'm not sure why it was OP worthy.

On edit: Oh, now I see why this WAS OP worthy ... a bunch of folks who don't like Hillary coming to hold a party.

[Bobbie Jo]

48. +1

Isn't it always?

[Goblinmonger]

59. So why do you post anything?

Why do any of us post anything?

It's kind of the point of a discussion board.

[JoePhilly]

68. Armstead and I are old friends ... and I recently learned ...

... Armstead "pictures" me as a "macho" kind of guy (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1722211).

So given our history, I can honestly say that I think Armstead created this thread so that those who dislike Hillary as a person can come together and join their virtual hands.

[Armstead]

69. That and for people who want to say the Op full of shit and why she's great

Mainly, though, just a visceral response while watching the debate

[JoePhilly]

71. Who said she was "great" in responding to you in this thread?

[Armstead]

76. Didn't say they would...But welcome to

Though I'm not responsible for the reaction.

But, as i said, it was mainly a visceral expression as an alternative to throwing my shoe at my brand new TV

[JoePhilly]

78. Shallow, but ok.

[artislife]

86. The same way a lot of h supporters do with their OPs

It's like dodge ball.

[senz]

106. True. Most of their OPs feel hostile and assaultive.

If I were running for office, I'd feel really bad if my supporters acted like that. In fact I'd probably drop out.

[NJCher]

128. Because "likability" is a factor

When people go job-hunting, whether they get the job or not has a lot to do with how likable they come across.

Cher

[highprincipleswork]

130. "Just not caring" is not really an admirable virtue, but I see where it exists heartily.

[Chasstev365]

201. Do enjoy trying to make people feel like crap?

You are doing a great job at alienating Democrats!

[All in it together]

35. I know she doesn't care, she just wants to be president

We're not important to Hillary other than votes.

[senz]

104. Precisely true.

One of several reasons that she seems like an unbalanced, incomplete person.

[Land of Enchantment]

197. Even back in the 90's she reminded me of

my bossy, know it all big sister who is ALWAYS right and very smug and wealthy. We live 1,500 miles apart for a reason...

[senz]

199. Yes, who'd choose a relative like that? Or a president, for that matter.

I sometimes think of Bill and Chelsea with sympathy. Have long had the sense they are chronically stressed out ... for some reason.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

119. " She won't ever know or care"

so very true - she does not care about anything but her future

[rhett o rick]

191. She is tough, some think maybe a little heartless. Too bad that's aimed at the 99% and not the Rich

Fat Cats that have made her super-wealthy.

Mammon: The greedy pursuit of wealth or the worship of such.

[berniepdx420]

2. I second that.. I don't like, trust or believe her..

[840high]

70. .+1

[Myrina]

161. +2

nt

[laruemtt]

3. Obama: "You're likable enough." Not really.

[dchill]

8. I certainly disagree with Obama on that!

[laundry_queen]

75. I always thought

I could detect the faintest hint of sarcasm in his voice when he said that.

[dchill]

77. No doubt.

[artislife]

87. It was truly one of the funniest things he said. nt

[pangaia]

105. There was nothing faint about it at all.

[Fumesucker]

124. Definitely a "bless your heart" moment...

He's pulled it on her just recently too..

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

4. She has this arrogance about her like she thinks we owe her our vote just because she has a D...

...next to her name.

[Alameda]

12. I don't either`

I hate the phony blond hair and red lipstick. She is denying her age, which I don't like. There is nothing wrong with getting older. We all do if we live long enough.

How about Maggie Smith for President? Yes I know she couldn't do it, not a US Citizen...but still...LOL

[mythology]

27. Does that apply to Joe Biden and his hair plugs?

My stepdad is in his mid-50s and is self-conscious about going bald. I started going bald in my very early 20s and have never had a concern about it. People have insecurity or self-consciousness about various parts of their body or person.

[The Old Lie]

40. I'm in my early 40s

I started going bald 10 years ago.

[senz]

111. My dad went bald in his 20s. He told me it was from male hormones

and seemed rather pleased about that. As a kid I sort of liked his bald head, and it never held him back from anything.

[Armstead]

151. Uh oh -- I still have a full head of hair

But I like to think I have an adequate number of male hormones too

[senz]

157. Hey, that was just my dad's way of dealing with it, Armstead.

You're great.

[Blue_In_AK]

185. I always heard if one is going bald,

it doesn't mean he's getting less hair, it means he's getting more head.

Ba-da-boom.

[Armstead]

88. Joe got some flack for that at the time....But he laughed it off

I must admit I'm 64 with full head of hair and no grey yet...But I keep thinking if they come I might try the blonde in a bottle....But then I realize I'd look like a member of Siegfried and Roy and think probably not

[passiveporcupine]

126. Are you blonde?

I am dirty blond, and my hair isn't going gray, it's starting to turn platinum around my face. The rest is still the same color, but maybe a little lighter than it used to be. I'm 66. I like the platinum...it almost looks like I did it on purpose.

[Blue_In_AK]

186. My hair is like that, too

I'll be 70 in September, but am just now getting a few white hairs around my temple. From the back, I have no white or gray hair at all. Good genes.

[passiveporcupine]

187. It may be genes,

but my little sister was a brunette, and she had a huge white streak in her hair in her mid 20's. Now it's all white, but she dies it...only she leaves in the white streak because it's kinda cool.

And I do wish I had better hair genes, because my problem is I'm going bald. I have lost over 50% of my hair already...receding slightly and no pink spots yet, but it's so thin and lank compared to what I used to have. I always had thick beautiful hair, and now I am afraid to brush or comb it because so much comes out with every stroke.

But I'm doing a little better than my maternal grandmother. She was wearing a wig by the time she was in her early 60's because her hair (brunette) was so thin. She really had almost no hair left.

[Blue_In_AK]

192. How is your thyroid?

One of the symptoms of being hypothyroid is thinning hair. I've read that evening primrose oil helps, but it takes a couple months to see results.

[passiveporcupine]

193. My thyroid was checked recently and it's fine

It's just genetics. My luck of the draw because it doesn't hit everyone in my family.

[SusanCalvin]

37. I can't agree with that.

It's her choice how to groom herself, and I do personally think she looks fine.

[arikara]

120. I think she looks good too

I like that she didn't go with the frozen botox look that so many people do nowadays once they get a few character lines in their face. John Kerry and many film people come to mind on that one, Kerry's face is so over-processed that he looks like a Madame Toussad's wax dummy. No, what bugs me about Hillary is that her voice sounds like my cat when she wants to be fed, which is pretty much most of the time. Kind of an incessant grating cawing sound.

[SusanCalvin]

141. Her voice bothers me sometimes, sometimes not.

I think it's more to do, with me, with whether she's in a mode I can stomach or not.

[karynnj]

145. I have seen Kerry in person and he looks fine

I think it is a right wing lie that he has done anything to his face. For one, as Senator, he was rarely out of the public eye. Years ago, there were days when those of us in the JK group watched clips of him in different hearings and on the Senate floor, what was amazing was how different he could look - on the same day - in the different settings. For some reason, lighting and the angle of the camera played a huge difference.
I
Seeing that you went there, I will say that though he exceeded her travel in his first 3 years, she looked far worse for wear in her days as Secretary in spite of starting her time seven years younger than he was when he started. I know he has gone to fewer countries, but that was because he spent a lot of time in Geneva, Vienna and Paris negotiating the removal of Syria's chemical weapons, the Iran deal and the Paris Climate pact - all things she has spoken of in a way that shows she would have loved them as her accomplishments.

Like yesterday when she spoke of knowing how hard it was to get 160 plus countries to agree in Paris. She did speak of Obama, but it is weirdly stated with no mention of Kerry who really did lay the ground work with the US/CHINA pact and then got many other countries on board at the interim Lima summit. He personally worked with Ban Ki-Moon. FM Fsbius and others to get those 160 plus countrues to agree in Paris. The intention was to claim credit on climate change beyond the dismal "hunting the Chinese" Copenhagen claim. In fact, that comment referring to a proud people explains why Kerry, who even hosted their team at his home in Boston and found common ground, succeeded in getting that critical key deal with China with the rest of the Obama team.

[riderinthestorm]

165. I also think she looks fine.

I'm impressed with her stylist actually - her hair, makeup, clothes, accessories are all very well done.

I'm going to guess she's had some work on her jaw line - there's just too much change there from other earlier pictures but I don't begrudge her that one bit. In fact I'd like to know who she used...

My issues with her are strictly policy related.

[noretreatnosurrender]

203. I'm With You

I don't care what she looks like on the outside it's what she is on the inside that I have a problem with.

[Zira]

60. I won't go after anyone's looks. It's WHEN she laughs that grates me.

Her laugh would be fine if she didn't use it in the most inappropriate and sometimes pale circumstances.

[NJCher]

129. The laugh thing is kind of weird

For a public figure. Being in the field of interpersonal communication, we get a number of studies that deal with laughter and what it signifies. Often enough it is self-consciousness.

Cher

[Kittycat]

51. And many of her decisions and actions make me question that D

And if she has Voter D's interests at heart on some of the issues that really matter to me and my family, not just the common wedge salad bad Dems use to make us fall in line.

[uponit7771]

107. The others are always "arrogant"

[Land of Enchantment]

200. Smug City. nt

[restorefreedom]

5. i don't like kasich either, but i know many do.

with you on clinton.

and i will just leave it at that.

[The Midway Rebel]

6. That lawyerly equivocating gets old.

Real quick. She and the horse she rode in on. They used to be the best choice. Not anymore.

[GoneOffShore]

134. Shortly after WJC won, maybe six months, my gut reaction to both of them was

that America elected the wrong President.

It's a shame that Jerry Brown or Paul Tsongas didn't stay in.

[hrmjustin]

7. I just don't like Sanders.

But if he won I would vote for him.

[anotherproletariat]

11. I'm with you! nt

[Logical]

17. And I'll vote for hillary, and feel sick doing it. She is arrogant and smug and a terrible dem. nt

[Armstead]

26. I'll vote for her but with a very tight clothespin on my nose

[NJCher]

131. I don't like Sanders, either

I love him. The essential goodness of the man often moves me to tears.

Cher

[senz]

190. Same here.

That kind of goodness, a kind of simplicity, resonates on a deep level for some of us.

[Stallion]

9. Just Remember-"She Understands But She Wants You to Know She Won't Stop Fighting for You"

ha! isn't that her comeback

[peacebird]

21. She ain't fighting for me, she's fighting for her 1% buddies and herself.

She doesn't give a flying eff about the peons like me....

[Avalon Sparks]

50. There's no sincerity n her eyes

She sounds fake and hollow, especially when she makes claims of fighting for the little people.

[senz]

112. Good way to put it.

Something's just not right.

[840high]

72. Not for me. Got another

mailing from her today - i just tear it up.

[restorefreedom]

10. i am not just bored

i genuinely dislike her

[Logical]

14. She is annoying and arrogant. And she embraces it. nt

[Agschmid]

15. You're entitled to your opinion.

It's all politics, and likability is an issue.

[Blaukraut]

16. Neither of them is very inspiring, but they'll do for what they'll be elected to do n/t

[TheProgressive]

18. She is absolutely not presidential at all...

She is disgusting...

[carburyme]

34. She's way more presidential than Bernie

I can't stand Bernie at all but am prepared to vote for him should he win the nom but I know this will never happen,

[yourpaljoey]

20. Her voice grates on me... perhaps because of what she says... but maybe not

[shanti]

84. Yes

You are not alone.

[XemaSab]

94. She always sounds like she's annoyed at having to explain something to idiots

"Duh, OF COURSE this is how it is. Why am I even having to tell you this?"

[yourpaljoey]

96. I feel better when she's not around

[moonscape]

110. I wish she would stop yelling and talk

in a normal conversational voice. She'd go down easier then and I'd be able to listen to her.

As it is, I can't.

[Tony_FLADEM]

22. I tried to figure out why she is so unlikable. I think it's because she tries to act like

her husband when she is giving a speech and to a lesser extent when she is debating. If she just tried being herself instead of someone else she might be more likable.

[Skwmom]

25. She is smug and condescending.

[SusanCalvin]

38. I agree that she comes off that way.

It comes and goes - she controls it some times better than others.

[Armstead]

92. It's kind of transparent

What bothers me is she shifts personas so easily...like her anger sometimes seems deliberately churned up rather than authentic.

When Bernie's pissed, he seems really pissed.

[SusanCalvin]

97. I think it's a combination.

I think she *tries* to shift personas, but I've seen the real pop out. I do not like her, but I will vote for her if necessary.

[Armstead]

98. I will too...with a total lack of enthusiasm and a very tight clothespin on my nose

[DookDook]

183. Anyone else remember that time Batman beat Clayface by showing him old footage of himself?

I noticed yesterday when she was listing off the names of the states that she had won that her accent would change on some of the pronunciations of the states. So when she said one of the southern states, I think it was North Carolina, the vowel sounds came off different than when she listed the next state that she won. I know that this is an issue for Hillary, she has a tendency to affect different accents depending on who's she speaking to. So when she speaks to southerners, she tends to sound more southern. Which is fine until you enter into a large enough group of people where you'll be pulled in too many directions at once.

[SusanCalvin]

194. What an interesting observation.

I'll have to start paying attention and see if I can notice that.

[Ed Suspicious]

127. This. It's the "now watch me seem angry" moments that kill me.

She frustrated me at the Wisconsin debate because she came off as so calm. She's actually pretty good at debatingvwhen she's not playing up the well timed angry. Today she was cat claws scratching the chalkboard mad.

[Armstead]

153. well-timed angry, exactly

"okay now I think I'd better turn off the smile and act angry now"

[Kittycat]

58. I think she is being herself.

The herself I see usually snaps anytime she's challenged. Whether it's by Bernie or a civilian asking her a question she doesn't like. She even snaps back at the audienceZ not a good way to win them over.

[SusanCalvin]

99. ^BINGO^

Not every time, but often enough for me to notice.

[senz]

113. Sometimes when she half jokes it's like she's imitating him.

[NJCher]

133. She can't be herself

Because she doesn't know who that person is.

It takes time and a deliberate effort to do that. The fact that she hasn't done it means it's just not important to her.

Cher

[Barack_America]

23. It's because she's a liar.

It's as simple as that.

[artislife]

91. Her authenticity is highly questionable.

If she told me the sky is blue, I wouldn't believe it.

[Skwmom]

24. She is very offputting.

[w4rma]

28. Over 55% of Americans agree with you.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

[italiangirl]

29. Reminder

Here is what Obama said about Hillary's ambition: "Not exactly the kind of president we need. Clinton is constantly shifting, dodging, and) changing positions to satisfy the politics of the moment. (2008 Obama Team memo)

[redstateblues]

32. Why did he hire her instead of bernie for an important post?

[SusanCalvin]

101. Politics, and

The fact that Bernie was not known by most until extremely recently.

[frylock]

109. Because he secretly has a crush on her.

[senz]

115. Obama had her nailed.

[redstateblues]

30. Got ya- I can't imagine listening to Bernie's voice for 4 years

He is annoying to the nth degree

[mama]

62. Don't worry about the sound of the voice, but the meaning of the words.

[Beacool]

31. She'll survive.

[laruemtt]

36. I care if the country survives. Don't care if she does or not.

[Beacool]

42. The country will survive and do well under Hillary.

[artislife]

93. I find that fracking hilarious. nt

[Armstead]

41. Doesn't make any dif to her I realize

Just stating an opionion on an opinion board

[Beacool]

46. Well, I'm beyond tired of Sanders and the same talking points

that he repeats ad nauseam. Wall St., the 1%, the evil rich, blah, blah, blah. It is what it is.

[earthside]

61. And Hillary's talking points?

Me! Me! Me!

Her! Her! Her!

My Turn! My Turn! My Turn!

Blah, blah, blah.

I met her back in 1992 and she was self-important then.
At least Bill had charm and charisma ... because she certainly had and has ZERO.

All these years later not only has her elitism grown to unbearable proportions, but her sense of aristocratic entitlement is insufferable. She is not one of us, she is an entrenched and dedicated member of the .0001 percent.

Like the OP -- I don't like her one bit and I'll never vote for her.

[Beacool]

66. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

I know Hillary and I think that she's a terrific person.

As for not voting for her, that's just plain selfish and shortsighted. I would vote for any Democrat to prevent Trump or Cruz from becoming president.

[earthside]

74. Well, my opinion.

I think Hillary with her neocon tendencies are much more likely to get the U.S. into another war than Trump or Cruz.

Given that is my estimation, then it is neither selfish nor shortsighted to keep her out of the White House.

[Beacool]

80. I can't even believe what you just wrote.

[earthside]

162. Of course, you can't.

Because like so many of her supporters you live inside the bubble of the Hillarian fantasy world that has nothing do to with her neoliberal economic positions and her neocon foreign policy stances.

Because you don't want to see the Clinton world of billionaires and her and Bill's socializing with the elitist of the elites internationally and in the corporate world of military contractors and bankers.

Sadly, for so many Hillarians it is all about gender -- it is all about HER!

Nothing else matters in the end ... but in my opinion (which I am entitled to have), Hillary Clinton is more dangerous than Trump or Cruz.

About two months ago I decided to limit my exposure to DU -- I take a look maybe about twice a week now. Getting out of the hyper-political environment of DU is a great plus to staying in touch with the real world.

In the real world, Clinton is in big, big trouble. If she still manages to get nominated the Democrats are in for a very ugly awakening -- a lot, and I mean a lot of people don't like her and not just Repuglicans, a lot of Democrats and independents will simply not vote for her.

[artislife]

95. I can't argue with this. nt

[grasswire]

103. she has already demonstrated her propensity for war as a solution. nt

[840high]

81. Neither will I.

[brewens]

33. Of all politicians that have ran for president in my lifetime, I may have 'liked" Bob Doll the best.

I would never have voted for him, but I got the feeling he'd be a real kick in the ass to hang out with.

[bettyellen]

39. I wanted McGovern to win despite not liking him. Never wanted to have a beer with any of em.

[Armstead]

44. I hate to say this but....

If I were looking for a night on the town, GW Bush might be kind of fun

[bettyellen]

45. LOL. I swear his daughters were coked out during the inauguration.

One could not stop applying lip gloss, for an hour, the other rubbing and sniffing her nose. Reminded me of people I used to club with.

[islandmkl]

140. during the repub convention in KC in '76 a buddy and i took Jack Ford drinking..

by buddy's old work pal (law enforcement) was a SS man and JF was his duty at the time...

politics was not on the agenda so we had a good time!

[Carolina]

43. I'll raise you one

I loathe her. The lying, the pandering, the ever changing positions, the sense of entitlement, the flashes of anger when that entitlement is challenged, that god awful cackle, the poor judgment, the shilling for big money, the claiming credit for accomplishments that aren't hers... etc, etc, etc.

[CharlotteVale]

79. A-fucking-men.

[Punkingal]

82. Yes to all of that!

[840high]

83. Amen, +1

[azmom]

108. Amen +2

[jack_krass]

143. Rec

[noiretextatique]

167. I concur

Just not a very likeable person.

[Avalon Sparks]

47. Well said!

I feel the same!

[Jitter65]

49. I have to admit...I don't like him either. nt

[Armstead]

53. That's what makes horseracing

[bigwillq]

52. I don't like any of them. Lol

I like Bernie's vision the best. He'll get my vote, by default because I just can't stand Hillary. The three clowns on the R side are worse but I don't think Hillary nor Bernie looked very good tonight.

[BeyondGeography]

54. Her negatives are easier to read than her positives

Stick with it. Or not.

[Onlooker]

55. Yes, women need to have right attitude n/t

[Armstead]

64. Please read my OP again

[polichick]

100. Lame.

[senz]

118. I think I'd like her even less if she were a man.

[Armstead]

155. Interesting to think of a male counterpart

Bill sort of but he has that old boy charm.

Sometimes the same response to Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz -- totally manufactured and modulated emotions

[senz]

159. There are some similarities to Nixon, but he wasn't as phony.

[Marr]

172. I know who the male version of Hillary Clinton would be.

Newt Gingrich. He showed that same barely-concealed anger whenever his status was questioned, and played the same sort of dirty politics with the same sort of smirk that said, 'I know this is bullshit, and I know you know it, and I love that it's pissing you off'.

[Armstead]

188. I keep thinking an older Marco Rubio

That same smooth robotic presence and flashed faux indignation, combined with an occasional ability to seem somewhat human, but not quite there.

And the attitude of personal entitlement.

[jack_krass]

144. Unrec

[Zira]

56. Clinton is more destablized countries and dead kids.

I expect Iran to be next. None of the rest have that record.

[CoffeeCat]

57. I don't like her either

Her policies, in my opinion, are absolutely terrifying. Her warmongering and her seal of approval from the founder of the neocon movement, Robert Kagan and her taking so much money from Wall Street and other powerful interests.

Her behavior on those issues is what Democrats used to complain about Republicans doing.

I find her politics reprehensible.

She is also very unlikable. I find her abrasive, narcissistic, cold, fake and dishonest.

That's where I am. I wish I didn't have to look at her.

[Dickster]

89. I couldn't agree more

You hit it out of the park as far as I'm concerned. She just doesn't come across to me as sincere. Watching her respond to Bernie is like listening to fingernails on a chalkboard.

[marlakay]

63. My daughter told me she likes Bernie

But is voting for Hillary even though she doesnt like her and knows she lies.

People vote on what they believe in. My daughter and her husband are actually moderate republicans and feel like Hillary is closest to what they believe since they are liberal on social issues.

[EndElectoral]

65. Actually "likeness", "favorability" weighs heavy on the winner of GE's historically.

[kgnu_fan]

67. I now do hate her after hearing all her opinions and claims. She is a monster.

[Zira]

73. I don't like her because the blood on her hands. Halting the first syrian peace deal and all those

dead kid from that - drowing, bombing etc., is something I will never forget.

[oldandhappy]

85. a good 2 cents! worth more than that to me.

[polichick]

90. She's really not likeable enough - too corrupt for my taste.

[Kalidurga]

102. She reminds me of the mean girls in high school.

Needless to say I didn't get along with those types.

[ecstatic]

114. I feel the same way about Bernie. His angry, gravely Brook-mont accent is unbearable.

Like nails on a chalkboard. And I'm from NY! His smug, superior attitude even though he's a hypocrite. Everything about him irritates me! I would have to put him on mute most of the time if he somehow won the presidency.

[Armstead]

142. I don't know how much of our personal response to candidate is based by our political identification

I kept the remote nearby with the same idea of muting Clinton for the same reason. She is like nails on a chalkboard to me.

I can see how people might have the same reaction to Sanders on a gut level.

Thing for me is that I will be on her "side" in the general against the GOP and would certainly want her to win -- but I can't envision actively liking her or even wanting to watch her then

[KPN]

116. I like your two cents.

I agree with you on everything. My wife does too.

[geek tragedy]

117. That's okay. Lots of us don't like him. no hard feelings nt

[Little_Wing]

121. I want to like her, I try to like her

But when I hear what comes out of her lips, I just shudder and wish she would stop. I have wanted a woman president my whole adult life, and it is truly disheartening that she is my only choice. Sigh. Wish Barbara Jordan could have lived long enough to run.

[Buns_of_Fire]

122. I do not like thee, Doctor Fell,

The reason why - I cannot tell;
But this I know, and know full well,
I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.

Or, as Richard Nixon told me shortly before he died, "I would have beaten Jack Kennedy if it hadn't been for that damned sweaty upper lip."

[shadowandblossom]

123. You don't have to apologize

You're entitled to your opinion. You said nothing offensive and I think a lot of people share those feelings.




Just one thing though, about why I get tired of seeing statements like that Warren comment... It's not her and having those feelings for the woman who's not running doesn't hold water for me as a badge of not having sexist feelings or tendencies in thinking. It bothers me in part because a lot of people do seem to be using her name like a shield. I'm not saying that you are. But it happens an awful lot.

[floppyboo]

137. don't forget the $141K worth of free stuff she scampered away from the WH with nt

[apcalc]

132. I am looking forward

To never having to watch Sanders again. Bloviating, and rude, humorless and angry.
Of course I will vote for him against the Republicans, who will set us back years on many fronts.

[NJCher]

138. I think of it more this way

Not rude, but passionate.

Not bloviating, but having a central message from which he refuses to deviate. This is a central tenet in good communication, especially if one wants to persuade.

I think Bernie does have a sense of humor, but unfortunately, we are in a very serious position. There is just nothing to laugh about when faced with global extinction.

Cher

[Cobalt Violet]

135. I don't like or trust her at all. She's been wrong about a lot of things.

I really don't think I can support her ever. She's just plain nasty to me.

[Raine]

136. I tried and tried but I can't find anything likeable about her.. nt

[Sky Masterson]

139. Oh, now stop acting like you stumbled on to a rare feeling.

She brings this feeling out in millions of people and THIS is why she is a HORRIBLE choice to lead our party.

[Vinca]

146. I totally agree with you.

As each days passes I wonder how I will make myself vote for her. This is the first time in my decades of voting I've been faced with a total "hold your nose and pull the lever" vote. It's gotten so I can't even stand to look at her on television. I can't watch the debates because it's like nails on a chalkboard. It's very depressing since the previous 2 elections were the exact opposite.

[Armstead]

147. There are things I disagree with Obama about...

and he's too close to the "establishment" than I'd like.

But I love that guy, and admire him and think he is motivated by the right reasons.

[seaglass]

148. This is known. n/t

[Armstead]

150. It was either write that post or throw a shoe at my brand new TV...

I chose to spare my TV.

[B Calm]

149. Wagging her finger and screaming is a republican trait. She needs to change

political parties.

[SunDrop23]

152. Don't like her. Won't vote for her. (nfm)

[Armstead]

154. Don't like her...would vote for her if necessary....but have to take a shower afterward

[tymorial]

156. I wouldn't vote for Kasich either

That being said I've said before he's the only Republican I really don't hate. I kind of like Charlie Baker too but I think his new precriptuon drug law harms more than it will help.

[bigbrother05]

158. Oh, she's likable enough, just prefer the other guy

Don't think we'll ever be in the same social set, so liking her really doesn't matter much. It's the policies and judgment that sway my vote with the war vote being #1.

[jack_krass]

160. Yes, me to...

I'm annoyed by things like her selling out to the highest bidder, making a living giving speeches to people that she's supposed to be regulating, changing her positions, clothing, and even her accent to pander to every group in existence, her positions on drug laws, MIC, PIC, PIC, fracking, etc, etc....

But I'm truly terrified by her global ambition and aggressive warmongering. I believe that Hillary will gleefully pursue PNAC goals like regieme change in Iran, involving a body-count (mostly comprising Iranian civilians, including children) dwarfing Iraq. I believe there's a decent chance that she'll start World War 3.

Picture the entire world ablaze with Hillary cackling in the background.

[Demsrule86]

164. You have really bad taste.

I live in Ohio...Kasich is the worst...we have Alabama style ...maybe worse...abortion laws, our schools were defunded, middle class property taxes went up...he is the worst. Oh and he left the campaign trail to run home and sign two laws...one forcing women to carry downs kids and one defunding planned parenthood...no too discerning are you...as for Hillary, like her. I used to like Bernie enough to vote for him in Ohio...But I have come to despise him for is behavior during this campaign. I thank God he will not be our nominee as i would really struggle to vote for him.

[NCTraveler]

166. You aren't alone in your feelings.

Many don't like Sanders in the exact same light you dislike Clinton.

[Armstead]

168. Obviously

And I can understand that.

But I really have a hard time seeing the appeal of Clinton...I keep trying, but it's just visceral distrust of her motives and her judgement.

[shadowandblossom]

196. She's definitely complex.

The world Sanders describes is very black and white and the world Clinton describes is in shades of grey. High contrast, like Sanders world is good for somethings, it helps you zero in on things dramatically, but if the things that are most important to you don't fall into those zones of black and white they are invisible and excluded. Grays allow for more detail. She's complex. If you want some ideas on what the appeal is, for me at least, you can message me and I don't mind having a discussion about it.

This is an article about her childhood I ran into when I first started trying to decide. I especially like the video at the bottom. I don't think it will change your feelings, but it's interesting, and gives a little bit of context to her character and personality.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-draws-scrappy-determination-from-a-tough-combative-father.html?_r=0

[Marr]

169. You're not alone. She's very unlikeable. She always comes off as

smug and petty somehow.

[Puglover]

170. My husband and I have laughed at her

phony point and look like "hey there you are!" shtick that she pulls whenever she is in a crowd or takes a podium for years. It's like wait for it, wait for it.........almost every time.

Sorry I don't see anything authentic about her. And I am terrified that she will drag the US into more war.

[nolabels]

171. Well you know, there is that saying, 'You either got to laugh or cry'

Asking myself, have i became desensitized that much, as to just to be laughing at so much

[Martin Eden]

173. I distrust her more than I dislike her

Both Bill and Hillary have been the Targets of vicious deceitful smears by the rightwing hate machine, and this has changed public perception of them unfairly.

There is plenty of legitimate criticism for their official actions and ties to the oligarchy, but I've made a conscious effort not to be influenced by rightwing smears.

[Skwmom]

174. I've met plenty of young voters that do not like her and they have never heard of right wing smears.

[Martin Eden]

177. The Clintons murdered Vince Foster

Benghazi

The Whitewater witch hunt

^^some examples^^

[BreakfastClub]

175. That indicates a personal issue, and not a candidate issue. It's not rational. nt

[Armstead]

182. I'm not alone in it

If I trusted her more I might like her more.

But that mistrust colors everything. I just don't believe anything she says or the emotions she displays.

.

[Stuckinthebush]

176. I really don't like him

But if he is the nominee , I'll support the crap out of him. The alternatives are frightening.

I really don't like him, though. He irritates me.

But he's correct on most of the issues.

[Armstead]

181. I can understand that

I think of him as an acquired taste...But a lot of people seem to have acquired the taste

[lutefisk]

178. Is she less likeable than Cruz?

We could have a presidential election between two highly unlikeable candidates. Democrats and Republicans alike would be holding their noses as they vote. That would certainly be a clear sign that there's something wrong with the system.

[Armstead]

180. Trump too...None of the likely contenders are well liked by the general population

[polly7]

179. I despise her for every child, woman and man killed, mutilated, made homeless, physically

and emotionally scarred for life - all across the globe.

I dislike 'tick' for each one of them. I guess that adds up to a lot.

[Blue_In_AK]

184. I don't like her either.

She seems completely contrived to me, not a genuine bone in her body.

[ScreamingMeemie]

189. For years, she has reminded me of my mother.

(which is probably not a good thing)

I could look beyond that, but I can't look beyond what she is willing to give away as President. Nope. Will I vote for her if she is lucky enough to win the nomination? Yes. Will I pay for her campaign? Nope. I'll have to save my pennies for bills and Republican policies that we yet again compromise on.

[Joob]

195. I get angry at what she gets away with

[Chan790]

198. I'm suspicious of people that do.

Like her, that is.

I can get people liking her positions; I disagree with those people, but I can comprehend it. I can even understand why people support her.

I am utterly befuddled by people that like her as a person though...she's genuinely unlikable. Insincere, fake, cloying, cold, impersonal. Her personality is saccharine. Do they not see it or are they attracted to people like that? It's spine-tingling and suggests something being off about those people. I wouldn't want to share a taxi with one of them.

[DemocracyDirect]

202. It takes some people a long time to become self-aware...

... and sometimes when people get money or power before self-awareness ...

it becomes what defines them.

[Gothmog]

204. It Wouldn’t Be A Democratic Debate Without Men Criticizing Hillary Clinton’s Voice

You have some sad company http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-voice_us_571047cce4b0060ccda2d7cd?utm_hp_ref=politics

Also as expected, several prominent male political reporters and pundits criticized the former secretary of state’s voice.

You have sad company in your silly opinon

[Armstead]

205. Yep it's always about sex.

[Gothmog]

206. I am glad that you agree

You have a number of other men who agree with your position

[SusanCalvin]

207. Watching the debate rerun.

I loathe her personally. I just do.

I do not like thee, Doctor Fell,
The reason why - I cannot tell;
But this I know, and know full well,
I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_do_not_like_thee,_Doctor_Fell