Just walked home from the debate...

[brooklynite]

The debate was at the Duggal Greenhouse, an otherwise empty structure inside the Brooklyn Navy Yard. I arrive by bus with a DNC group; most people arrived by Water Taxis sponsored by CNN.

Inside, I'd say there were about 1,000 people. We were in the premium section up front; most of the noise you heard came from people in the back and on the sides. Gov. Cuomo wa son one side, Mayor De Blasio on the other, several House members around; saw Senator Gillibrand but not Sanator Schumer. Don't know what you saw, but there were a fair number of Statnding Ovations when one candidate or the other made a big point.

We were supposed to be In Our seats by 8 PM, but nobody bother to settle in until about 8:45, most folks were ambling around to look for people they knew or chatting with their neighbors. About 10 minutes before start, the floor manager gave us a breakdown of the schedule, and gave us 1 min or 30 second updates as to when the cameras went live, revving up the crowd with applause as the introductions were made.

The debate was...the debate. My impression from the beginning was that Sanders knew this was his last shot and was being as tough as possible. He came off as angry, she cam off as polished and calm. He landed some blows but nothing that I think will change the dynamics of the race.

[hrmjustin]

1. His last hurrah.

[NWCorona]

9. We will find out soon enough.

I can't believe it's next Tuesday!

[hrmjustin]

12. I can't wait till it is over.

[NWCorona]

16. That's if it will be over lol

But I think you mean your canvassing work. That's not an easy gig.

[hrmjustin]

18. Tuesday It will be an endurance test.

[riderinthestorm]

63. I'm up to 783 doors in 3 states. How you holding up?

Gary Indiana just opened their Bernie office so I'm off to canvass again this weekend there. Whew! Much shorter commute than IA or WI however I did meet-up with a DUer in WI and canvassed with him for a day which made that day even more great

I'm conversant in Spanish so I'm mainly hitting Hispanic areas. What a blast!! Love tequila shots.

Truly, I can relate to your passion from the other side. I much prefer the in-person canvassing although I've done many hours phone banking.

Peace! (and many Aleve tabs for sore feet!)

[hrmjustin]

68. My feet hurt but i am ok.

Door to door is fun. The big push starts tomorrow.

Good for you and your canvassing. I am glad you are doing it.

[riderinthestorm]

72. My Batavia IL director calls it the 4-day hell "week" before primary day

Good luck.

Those who actually get out and burn shoe leather get props from me. I'm damn lucky to have the time to do this. I've grown some terrific friendships during primaries - I've worked Obama's Senate and presidential races, and all of Tammy Duckworths too. My local Bernie office is filled with the best people.on earth.

Take Aleve, found that works best.

[Casandia]

113. Great job in the Fox River area!

My daughter lives here - and the Bernie signs are EVERYWHERE!

[NJCher]

104. Wow, rider

I am truly impressed. You are walkin' the talk.

Cher

[aikoaiko]

31. "It" is not going to be over.

DU will still be BernieUnderground regardless of who wins the nomination.

[hrmjustin]

34. I mean in NY.

[msongs]

42. DU will be the democratic nominee underground and those that don't support that nominee will be

outta here

[aikoaiko]

48. I'm sure some will be purged but the values that lead 80% of DUers isn't going to change.

And we can still criticize HRC positions even as a candidate to help her be a better democrat if DU operates as it has in the past.

Criticisms of Obama didn't stop after he won the nomination.

HRC true believers will still be a minority on DU even if a majority will vote for her.

[villager]

38. Over? "Nothing ends. Nothing ever ends." ;-)

As per Watchmen:





Not a slam at you, hrmjustin, here at Bitter Battle Underground. Rather just noting that no matter whose candidate "wins," there are many many years of work ahead, regardless... for all of us, to try and salvage something of this place/time/country/planet, heal it up, pass something on, etc...

Sigh.

Now maybe I need a drink.

[hrmjustin]

39. I could use a double!

[Logical]

11. I have heard that row a month now? Lol! Nt

[COLGATE4]

29. Yep. I guess he wanted to be seen as

going down fighting.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

2. "most of the noise you heard came from people in the back"

perfect - absolutely perfect

a Hillary supporter saying "most of the noise you heard came from people in the back"

we "up front" were quiet

[brooklynite]

28. Actually, I was referring to both the noisy Clinton and Sanders people...

I'm guessing that's the section where both campaigns got their ticket allotments.

We were sitting with a number of DNC and CNN guests.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

36. "I'm guessing" - that is easy to believe

...

[Ash_F]

3. What did you have to do to get in the debate?

[Kentonio]

116. Run for president apparently.

[northernsouthern]

4. I thought one thing.

[berniepdx420]

5. Wow brooklynite.. do you work for the DNC or the Clinton campaign..

how'd you score such sought after seats ??

[morningfog]

22. Clinton campaign.

[berniepdx420]

49. I don't think she is the only one.. it's quite easy to see.. won't mention names

cause they love to alert ya

[brooklynite]

25. I support the DNC and I've been hosting Clinton staff for the past 10 months...

[berniepdx420]

40. I had a post hidden when I asked if you worked with the Clinton campaign..

interesting...

[brooklynite]

46. Who would do that?

[berniepdx420]

51. There's a short list.. amazing.. the apple didn't fall far from the tree

[Hortensis]

67. Come on. You've been asked, like Bernie,

to put up. So name even one name on your "short list." Back your allegation.

[Agschmid]

74. They've got nothing, no hide.

[Hortensis]

78. And no "short list," of course. But like Bernie

Sanders, he's been asked to back up his allegations with proof. I don't expect an answer to my question.

Btw, that "hide" claim for the reason stated was ridiculous on the face of it, but, who knows, that good solid negative-feedback whack for this behavior might discourage it a bit. Or not.

[Agschmid]

80. Doubt it, but we will see.

[Agschmid]

60. He made it up. There is no hide which has any relation to you showing on his transparency page.

Are you shocked?

I'm not.

[sheshe2]

91. ...

[Agschmid]

50. Hmmm... Which hide would that be?

Doesn't look like that's a hide on your transparency page?

[berniepdx420]

52. There's reasons for that... amazing just amazing... integrity.. wow

[Agschmid]

55. Oh okay so you didn't have a hide when you said he worked for the campaign.

You made that up?

I mean if I'm wrong send me a PM or link to it here.

[berniepdx420]

57. Are you one of the Clinton staffers she is hosting at her house ?

[Agschmid]

59. Lol, no.

But hey whatever floats your boat.

I'll wait for the link.

[berniepdx420]

62. you won't be getting one... so are you hosting any Clinton staffers at your home..

[Agschmid]

65. Nope.

Why did you make it up then? Why lie about a hide that doesn't really exist?

[Codeine]

75. No you did not.

Stop lying.

[zappaman]

98. Why are you making up hides?

You know we can see your transparency page, right?

[SidDithers]

122. No, you didn't...nt

Sid

[MrMickeysMom]

114. He came in on the DNC bus...

[NWCorona]

6. Sounds like a fun night!

I think Bernie did great but agree with your last point.

Thanks for the first hand information!

[dchill]

7. On my TV she came across as bored and tired.

And rude.

[Barack_America]

73. "Bored and tired".

Yes, there were definitely many moments of this.

[NanceGreggs]

103. If I had to listen ...

... to Bernie's same old/same old talking points for the zillionth time, I'd be bored and tired of listening, too.

So I'm sure she IS bored - but I think she hides it very well.

[Logical]

8. Why the hell would any sanders supporter listen to you? Nt

[NWCorona]

14. I do

[hrmjustin]

21. I listen to you.

[Hortensis]

83. It's a first-person report, Logical.

Listening doesn't require accepting all interpretations, but we value this kind of input because it gives us more pieces to the picture. It could help understanding.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Thanks...sounded plenty rowdy on the TV

Both candidates had their moments. I don't see it moving the needle either.

[brooklynite]

26. The floor manager kept asking the audience to keep it respectful.not sure it worked.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

13. She came off smug, condescending, petty, defensive, snobby, entitled, and...

dismissive of the issues important to the average citizen.

[sheshe2]

44. Let's mix your quote up a bit.

You said.

She
came off smug, condescending, petty, defensive, snobby, entitled, and...dismissive of the issues important to the average citizen.

My remix.

Sanders came off smug, condescending, petty, defensive, snobby, entitled, and...dismissive of the issues important to the average citizen.

See the difference? I sure did.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

45. Placing you on ignore. Goodbye. nt

[sheshe2]

54. excellent!

[Hortensis]

70. Goodness. Didn't see the debate, but the unhappiness

and resentment on this thread makes what some really think pretty obvious.

Actually, thinking back, there's typically been a lot of unhappiness after each of Sanders' debates, even when I thought he did fine. I don't blame Sanders' supporters for hoping for a game-changing performance, but behaving really badly when disappointed is another matter. Achieving adult brain development may not be as common as we assume.

[LiberalFighter]

76. You might want to put others on ignore.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

84. I've been putting LOTS on ignore since I was released from time out. Better to not let them...

...tempt me into responding my mind and getting hidden. Better to not let them alert stalk me like they constantly do. Better to just ignore any hateful comments against my candidate and not see them in the first place.

Besides, they never have anything of value to add to my life or my voting decision. So, immediately off to my ignore list they go.

I encourage others to do the same.

[Hortensis]

87. I'll suggest myself in case I'm not already there.

I'm sure Chisholm has many fine facets to his character, but happy trails to him and it's okay if we don't happen to meet again.

IMO, the only proper response to the revelation that Bernie has been smearing Hillary all along is an apology for believing and spreading the allegations.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

77. Congratulations. You can now move to the refrigerator magnet phase of your word scramble odyssey

[sheshe2]

82. Excuse me?

What is your issue here?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

85. Inane word scrambles that signify nothing. But don't worry...it was a passing thing.

[sheshe2]

88. I changed the name.

One word. Not a word scramble. One word. One Name changes the whole sentence.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

89. "Let's mix up your quote a bit". You do bring up a good point though. You might have better luck

with other games.

[sheshe2]

90. I am not playing games.

I am in it for the win.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

93. Oh. Well that changes everything.

[shadowandblossom]

101. He came off that way to me too. Funny how that works...

.

[MrMickeysMom]

115. Yes.... we see you re-mix...

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. And that's why the DNC put you up front. n/t

[neverforget]

23. Max contributions buy access.

Always have always will if we don't change the system.

[lumberjack_jeff]

33. I'm sure the Bernie fans "in the back and off to the sides" paid significant contributions too. n/t

[TM99]

64. This would be an example of quid pro quo

that so many Clinton supporters just can't seem to grasp.

[Recursion]

92. Giving a contributor good seats at a debate is "quid pro quo"?

This is ridiculous.

[Agschmid]

123. Yup.

[w4rma]

17. Hillary was only booed, at least, three times.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/276395-clinton-booed-for-linking-obama-to-super-pacs
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/276397-clinton-refuses-to-budge-on-releasing-speech-transcripts
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/276401-clinton-would-sign-law-creating-15-minimum-wage

[onehandle]

19. It's over. Not Hillary is a blip in political history. nt

[Jitter65]

20. What was the general feeling among those who attended? Bernie vs Clinton? nt

[brooklynite]

30. I'd say 55-45 Clinton.

[Gothmog]

24. Thanks for the account

Attending the debate must has been cool.

[pangaia]

35. I attended a Yuja Wang concert.

A much more fulfilling evening I would surmise.

[Lucinda]

27. KNR

[anotherproletariat]

32. Thanks for the insider report! I agree that he seemed particularly angry tonight. Understandable

I guess, as this is really his last hope for all the work he has put in during the past year. Poor guy hasn't even been able to get home to find his old tax returns.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

47. Putting you on ignore. Goodbye. nt

[LiberalFighter]

79. He has time for everything else.

[lunamagica]

37. K&R. Thanks for posting about it. On TV, Sanders looked angry, red faced, frustrated

And that finger waving? Why no one has told him to stop that? It's like he wants to interrupt her as soon as she starts to speak!

[redstateblues]

41. So tired of the wagging finger

[ChisolmTrailDem]

61. Yea, me too...

...and I'm really tired of the closed finger approach...

[passiveporcupine]

94. Did you notice the halt command she gave Bernie like he was

a child or a dog?



She did so much talking past her time, he hardly got a chance to talk. No wonder he got a little flustered sometimes. She was just plain nasty. The mods were pretty damned frustrated with her too.

[NJCher]

107. In nonverbal communication

That is called a regulator. It means she is trying to stop him from saying what he wants to say. She wants to shut him up.

I will probably show that clip in my nonverbal comm class next Mon.

Cher

.

[Haveadream]

43. Thank you for the field report!

Really interesting to hear about things from an on the ground perspective. All the campaign people must be inspired and tired. Both candidates, as well. The debate was definitely more robust than any of the previous ones. I think most people have already made up their minds but it was good to hear the issues clarified once again.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Very cool!

[7wo7rees]

53. Interesting. I saw what you saw, only opposite. I know

you are firmly in Hill camp. I saw what you describe only from a Texas point of view. Sanders was calm and in control. Hill was angry, off the rails, would not answer a question. Were we at the same debate, Brook?

[shadowandblossom]

102. His face was as red as a beet for most of the debate...

But okay.

[sheshe2]

56. KNR!

Thanks brooklynite. Must have been an awesome evening.

[7wo7rees]

58. Earlier we debated would you drive your Ferrari or take s limo?

You walked.

[jfern]

66. Hillary made it clear she will start more wars

[840high]

69. She came of as very angry .

[LetThemEatCake]

71. Dolores Umbridge, eat ur heart out

Anyone else notice how the CNN moderators at today's debate systematically muted Bernie?

They allowed Hillary to reply to Bernie's question responses that referenced her - but following each of Hillary's responses referencing Bernie, despite his multiple requests to reply to her mischaracterizations of his record, more often than not they deflected any opportunity to reply. They even told him at least once to consolidate his reply to her misstatement into his response to their additional question:/

They never asked that of Hillary. Each time Hillary was allowed to reply, without pushback. With Bernie, however, they would redirect him to a new question following hervresponse referencing his record, effectively muting a reply to her attack thru a double standard time constraint. Where Hillary was given two separate talking turns to (1) reply to any response referencing her record/actions and (2) respond to a moderator's question - Bernie was given a single talking turn to both reply to her remarks on him AND respond to tgeir question.

This had the effect of affording her the last word and giving her more talk time. On every issue. Wow. Hillary. A smug elitist.

Dolores Umbridge, eat your heart out.

[passiveporcupine]

95. As if she needed more talk time

She wouldn't shut up, even when it was Bernie's turn to talk.

[LetThemEatCake]

99. Indeed.

Her words dilute where Bernie's enrich the discussion.

She came off as a smirking bully. She is so out of touch, she doesn't know HOW to fake humble. Which is why she's been aping Bernie and otherwise hiding from the proletariate 'till the ny primary is over. Esp after that offcolor race joke/skit. Geez. No apologies. Ever.

She's so scared. Bc this election cycle has transcended all pollster/establishment predictions. So she has NO idea what to expect. In the meantime, she and her minions will do there best to stoke the bandwagon effect as much as possible.

[passiveporcupine]

100. Her words don't just dilute.

She is always equivocating, so you never know what is truth, and it mostly comes off as dishonest.

But, good post and welcome to DU!

[LetThemEatCake]

105. Oh, c'mon, we know the truth. . .

She looks out for #1. . . Sponsored by Wall Street, Big Pharma, the Military Industrial Complex, Big Health Care, Big Food, etc.

She's a Tammany Hall throwback. . .

[Thinkingabout]

81. Thanks Brook for sharing, I would have loved to have been there in person but we had a great

representative, I am currently listening to the debate.

[LoveIsNow]

86. "Most of the noise... came from the back and sides"

From what, the peasant section? Do you hear yourself?

[zappaman]

96. OMG! You work for the Clinton campaign!!!???

Who knew!

[snowy owl]

97. Good analysis but a little faulty I think...

I didn't see Bernie as angry but somewhat unsure of how to proceed at first. HRC was forced, fierce, loud, terribly smug at first.

But as he progressed and his quick mind started providing concise responses and his energy level increased, he was terrific and she started losing control. Talking over him, interrupting, and eventually she was more subdued.

I don't think he won. But I don't he lost. No winners tonight. New Yorkers are already in their respective camps. Loyalists will stick with HRC and intellectuals will stick with Bernie. (And I have to include those with compassion because the essence of his whole being is compassion.)

So, no winners really unless a few independents were influenced. I'm not sure now how many really undecided there are out there.

[JDPriestly]

106. My view: she came across as a sneaky liar.

From the beginning of this campaign, she has backed a $12 federal minimum wage but tried to make it seem like she was for $15.

She still doesn't want to release her transcripts. What is she hiding? This is beginning to look really, really bad for her.

She takes money from Verizon. If you want to know about Verizon, listen to Ian Master's show on 04/14. There is an excellent interview on that. KPFK website for the interview.

It just went on and on, point after point, Hillary looked bad.

Sorry. But she did not do well.

[passiveporcupine]

108. And she was defending Verizon too

She's always defending those she claims not to be beholden to.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. so is she deliberately avoiding answering questions about marijuana legalization?

Because tonight was, I think, the 3rd time it has come up to her in the debates and she's clumsily changed the subject.

[B Calm]

111. Her stance on marijuana legalization is

Hillary on Marijuana Legalization and 4 more major issues.

Marijuana

Clinton's stance on marijuana could be a major issue in the 2016 election, as support for legalization grows. A 2013 Gallup poll found that 58 percent of Americans favor legalization. For those ages 18-29 the percentage of people who support legalization is 67 percent.

In terms of Clinton's stance on the issue, advocates are skeptical.

"She is so politically pragmatic," Alan St. Pierre told CNN. St. Pierre is the director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. "If she has to find herself running against a conservative Republican in 2016, I am fearful, from my own view here, that she is going to tack more to the middle. And the middle in this issue tends to tack more to the conservative side."

During the 2008 election Hillary Clinton was not in favor of decriminalization, which is a step below legalization. Since then, however, her views have become watered down and vague.

"I'm a big believer in acquiring evidence," Clinton told NPR affiliate KPCC in July of 2014. "And I think we should see what kind of results we get, both from medical marijuana and from recreational marijuana, before we make any far-reaching conclusions. We need more studies. We need more evidence. And then we can proceed."

She issued a similar refrain during a town hall discussion with CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "On recreational, you know, states are the laboratories of democracy. We have at least two states that are experimenting with that right now," Clinton said in reference to Colorado and Washington, which legalized marijuana "I want to wait and see what the evidence is."

In the same interview Clinton addressed the issue of medical marijuana saying: "At the risk of committing radical candor, I have to say I think we need to be very clear about the benefits of marijuana use for medicinal purposes. I don't think we've done enough research yet, although I think for people who are in extreme medical conditions and who have anecdotal evidence that it works, there should be availability under appropriate circumstances. But I do think we need more research because we don't know how it interacts with other drugs." Medical marijuana is currently legal in 23 states and in Washington, D.C.

The former Secretary of State, however, is not likely to try the drug herself. "I didn't do it when I was young, I'm not going to start now," she told Amanpour.

Continued: http://www.attn.com/stories/1403/hillary-clinton-five-things-2016

[Warren DeMontague]

112. Yeah, at least she's not joining in with DWS in advocating prison for medical marijuana users.

I understand pragmatism, however at this point a majority of Americans favor legalization, so it's not just the right thing to do, it's the politically savvy thing too- and it motivates younger people to get to the polls, plus it will be on the ballot in numerous states this November.

She really ought to join Sanders in a) acknowledging that the drug war is a failure and b) calling for a full descheduling of cannabis federally from the CSA, not just a move from I to II.

Moving it from I to II is better than nothing, as is a verbal commitment not to come in and overturn states that have medical or recreational legality. However, changing from schedule I to II does not address the conflict btw Federal and State law, and leaves recreational and medical users at the mercy of any future Executive or DOJ that decides to begin prosecuting and imprisoning them under Federal law.

While "we need more research" sounds good, sounds reasonable, all Schedule II does is open up the doors for big pharma to potentially patent extremely lucrative derivatives.

[questionseverything]

126. hc will never back either medical mj or recreational mj

it is the perfect excuse to keep her for profit prisons full...any softening we see on the campaign trail is just for votes

i suspect the "white noise" we saw her use in colorado was over discussing how the insiders she had at that fund raiser could overturn the peoples will about mj

[livetohike]

110. Thanks for this. Most of what came from the audience was the

Junior High squealing squad with high pitched shrieks for Bernie and chanting his name. Then there was a shot of Jane Sanders at the end looking like she had won the Powerball.

Delusional. Sanders looked ill with sweat dripping off his face. It didn't stop him from pointing his finger at Hillary numerous times. He stumbled over answers and slurred some words. At one point I thought he would need to leave the stage.

Hillary showed her usual preparedness and thoroughness. She was Presidential as he droned on with his boring talking points that have no solutions.

[cwydro]

121. His face was so red that I really wondered if he was ok.

Not sure if that was anger or frustration or what.

Not a good look though.

[reddread]

117. thank you for your work

we appreciate it.

[seabeyond]

118. Almost 100 finger wags. I wish she had turned and asked, what is it with your finger wags. Nt.

[intheflow]

119. Uh, Sanders got a standing ovation.

I don't think that demonstrates "he came off angry." Unless the voters are angry. Either way, not good for Clinton. But as you are a DNC insider, you might have solid info that the fix is in, so you can state with confidence that it won't change any dynamics. Stinky. Very stinky.

(You aren't stinky, the rigged system is.)

[brooklynite]

120. Both of them got several...

...as for the "rigged system": I think the biggest problem is that Sanders people can't accept that anyone would WANT to vote for Clinton, so of course the system must be rigged. Sad. Plenty of young people and non-Wall Street types in the crowd last nigh supporting Hillary.

[intheflow]

124. My problem with Clinton is the political dynasty aspect of her candidacy.

It's not bad enough the the Bush family ruled the Republicans for 30 years, the Democrats want the same thing for our party. After Hillary, Chelsea will be up, mark my words. Political dynasties = rigged system.

[ScreamingMeemie]

125. My condolences that you had to sit through that mess.

The crowd was too loud, Hillary laughed too much, etc. At least, that's what I got from the posts here. it's not something I would ever want to do.

[brooklynite]

127. If you're a political tourist, you enjoy the spectacle as well as the content

[ScreamingMeemie]

128. Nope. I enjoy attending conventions, but that debate (from the snips I've seen)

was a rotten mess.