What happened to the uplifting Bernie?

[kennetha]

I have to admit that I have never ever felt the Berne, not even a little. But I could always kinda sorta see, if I squinted, why people I respect and admire are drawn to him. I remember a friend of mine signing up for Bernie because he appreciated Bernie's honesty and integrity and the way Bernie spoke truth to power, as my friend put it.

But gosh the guy on the stage tonight didn't seem much like that Bernie. The guy on stage tonight was scowling, angry, hectoring, defensive, full of snark and sarcasm, not one moment of grace toward his opponent. It was the kind of guy you run away from, not the kind of guy you embrace.

I found myself asking what exactly is it that the young, especially, see in this guy. Doesn't seem particularly joyful, hip, cool, light-hearted or anything. Doesn't even seem to be having very much fun.

Maybe the Berne is burning out.

[berniepdx420]

1. nice try.. inauthentic you sound

[aikoaiko]

2. As you admit you're not the right person to judge.

Its not surprising that you don't understand why the young prefer Bernie to HRC.

[kennetha]

4. Do you really imagine that this Bernie won any converts tonight?

I mean if this was your first serious look at Bernie, would he have won you over? I kinda doubt that this Bernie would win the hearts and minds of many.

[aikoaiko]

13. Yes. He probably did convert some of the 7% of undecideds in NY.

Bernie presents a compelling alternative to Clinton style politics.

Its the same Bernie. He's always been outspoken and sometimes gruff.

[apcalc]

32. He was sarcastic

Unknowledgeable, and as usual , rudely finger wagging. Intolerable.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

3. No mention of your candidate's appalling behavior tonight. Big surprise. nt

[kennetha]

7. Well, this wasn't a post about her.

It was a post about how different Bernie seemed tonight from the early Bernie.

[Beacool]

5. Simple, it never existed.

[kennetha]

8. But some did feel it

I mean you gotta give credit where credit is due.

But he seems much harsher and angrier and it seems like all of his joy is gone.

[Beacool]

16. He knows it was his last chance to make inroads in a state with lots of delegates.

I still think that Hillary will win NY. I lost any interest in him when he called the most qualified person to run for office in many years, "unqualified". From now on, I have zero interest in what he has to say on anything.

[ViseGrip]

6. Bernie defended his ideas, while Hillary dished up some more 'no we cant'

[kennetha]

10. Hillary has lots of concrete and detailed plans.

You may not think they are adequate. But the are concrete, detail, with clear goals.

[DesertFlower]

24. and tht's why i'm supporting her. the more i

listen to her the more i like her.

she went into detail tonight about flying all night to try and get a cease fire between israel and gaza.

howard fineman said with hillary you already half 1/2 the solution to problems. i wish i had the exact quote.

[Bohemianwriter]

54. Where are those concret plans?

Bernie has them on his website.

Where is Hillary's comprehensive plan to bring Wall Street, NRA, the arms dealers, hedge fund managers and the fracking industry to heel?

How is Hillary going to inplemement 15 dollar minimum wage across the board, give affordable eduaction and healthare for all?

[iAZZZo]

9. "What happened to the uplifting Bernie?"

[/br]
he was overwhelmed by hillary's enthusiastic support, as so many of us have been

[LAS14]

76. Hillary has listed a whole series...

... of places where barriers need to be broken down. I don't recall "agism." I think she should add that. Including these photos with your sarcastic comment is agism. Not "pure" agism, as I was starting to say, because this is on top of sexism. Your attitude is disgusting.

I'm with her because she's concerned for the whole country. Not just the noisy, purist idealogues.

[Else You Are Mad]

106. Agism?

That one is on Hillary's supporters. They simultaneously calls Bernie too old and his supports took young in a negative manner. That is the definition of agism.

[brush]

107. Way to alienate half the population. Women vote too.

[jfern]

11. Hillary did her best to try to drag Bernie down to her level

Bernie is still probably running too positive a campaign. I mean he never mentioned Clinton Foundation pay to play. That's some serious low hanging fruit if you're going to go negative against Hillary.

[kennetha]

14. But going negative seems to be against Bernie's brand

and he isn't very adept at it. just crude innuendo.

Unless he wants to go full bore Rovean.

[jfern]

18. David Brock is at least full Rovian, if not more.

[reddread]

48. I bet they work out of the same building, same floor

sooner or later we will find out the truth.

[senz]

56. Yes, the ugliness that is part of her nature is foreign to his.

She cuts and destroys because she has no ethical boundaries; he cannot fight on that level and shouldn't even try.

[bettyellen]

12. the snark was charmless, for sure. also trying to get Hillary to make promises.....

to me that signaled he will never has as much leverage as he does now- that he may not get another debate, so he was all in trying to get her to adopt his (vague method of implementing) policies word for word. That was weird.

[Lucinda]

15. They finally did the math?

And on a more serious note, he knows just how bad that editorial interview was. They've tried really hard to avoid talking about the details of his plans, and they just couldn't get past the NY'ers. The television media has been feeding the horserace, the print media has an entirely different set of concerns.

[kennetha]

17. Maybe, but why the joylessness out of a campaign that aspired to inspire?

When Walter Mondale KNEW that he was going to get creamed by Reagan, he went out and campaign like a relentless happy warrior to the end. I read an interview with him afterward about that. He said he owed it to himself, his party, his supporters to campaign on, not in an angry and bitter tone of an already defeated man, but in an uplifting tone that would give his supporters hope and belief.


Do you think Bernie will display the kind of Grace in defeat that Hillary did in 2008?

[jfern]

20. You mean like this grace?

"John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." - Hillary in 2008

[DesertFlower]

25. i remember that and i usually don't use bad languae on the interenet,

but when she said that i posted "that f------g b--ch".

i supported obama in '08.

[Surya Gayatri]

39. Bern is NO Walter Mondale. Not fit to carry his jock-strap.

Mondale is a true blue Democrat.

Do you think Bernie will display the kind of Grace in defeat that Hillary did in 2008?

Sadly, no. And, more's the pity. He's out for himself and HIS REVOLUTION(TM), and if he can't have it, screw everybody else.

Worst brand of political opportunist.

[apcalc]

33. He is not a problem solver.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. You personally pissed him off. He's coming. Be ready.

[kennetha]

22. he's on the other side of the world, an ocean and a continent away from California

[DisgustipatedinCA]

23. You don't know the power of the Bern. Be ready. He's pissed.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

122. And once he gets Pope'd he will be unstoppable.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

133. He'll be one angry Super Giga Jewish Catholic Senator

I'm glad to see others give this thread the exact amount of respect it deserves.

[shadowandblossom]

21. I see a lot of it as peer pressure at this point. Another factor is media bias that helps him.

Alot. They were very kind to him and didn't vet him for a long time.

I looked at his Wyoming rally, one person there was fanatically in love with Sanders, a true believer. Others in between, more like doing the thing they felt like they were supposed to like. A lot of people right behind him just looked uninspired. Same thing in a vid I saw from one of his New York speeches. There was a young guy sitting there yawning. The older people looked bored. It wasn't a flattering look. I hope it berns out. I find it to be an exclusive and ugly "movement" at this point.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. "peer pressure"

yes, and they ply the youngsters with dangerous marijuanas and rock and roll music!

[N92LB]

31. The pressure is coming from the establishment

The media was certainly not kind but rather mocking dismissive and even belligerent to sanders and his supporters aren't enthusiastic nearly so much for bernie (which they profoundly are) as they are for the ideas and principles which he is promoting. Contrastly Hillary Clinton in the minds of many epitomizes everything wrong with the state of American democracy. As a candidate she will face difficulty garnering the enthusiasm of an increasingly struggling working class which knows that she as president will likely continue to tow the corporate line and at best provide them with only marginal support in return. She is a weak candidate and her failings in the state department, as a senator, as a first lady, and as a board member to Wal-Mart should DISQUALIFY her from the highest executive office in this country.

[shadowandblossom]

134. Just a couple things I'm going to mention

To be clear, I don't think the people who are phone logging, and going door to door, or who really just have a passion for it are anything but 100% sincere in their interest. Many people who go to the rallies and just like the man, are also, of course, in earnest. But there is an environment with younger people right now where there is so much peer pressure that I've heard many stories of young Clinton supporters who actually fake feeling the bern just to avoid criticism from their peers. Other people, less committed either way, are obviously going to join a wave that strong. Just my two cents.

As for the Walmart comments. Personally, I find that idea dumb. Mind that I'm saying that about the idea and not you. I don't know you, nor have any problem with you.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. Are you voting for a President, or a care bear?

[Art_from_Ark]

28. And yet, Bernie got cheers during the debate

and a standing ovation at the end of it.

Sounds pretty uplifting to me.

[NanceGreggs]

29. There never was an "uplifting Bernie".

He's always been the "complaining Bernie", the "scolding Bernie", the "snarky Bernie", the "defensive Bernie".

He was just able to hide it better early on. Given his temper, it was just a matter of time before "uplifting Bernie" would crack, and show his true colours.

[reddread]

46. oh yeah?

[longship]

30. The down crashing Hillary!

That's what. He wants the truth; she wants the spin and equivocation.

Here she is now:

[mhatrw]

34. Where was Clinton's grace toward her opponent?

Perhaps, just perhaps, the reverse is actually far more true?

Perhaps, just perhaps, Sanders has not appreciated all the one way dirty tricks the Clinton campaign, her DNC cronies, and all her corporate media friends keep unleashing on him?

[.99center]

35. Gosh, maybe they're

Not as shallow as you thought? Maybe younger folks aren't using the tried and true method of are they cool, funny, and attractive enough to want to have a beer with to select their president.

[silvershadow]

36. every time he speaks he lifts me up.

#feelthebern

[Surya Gayatri]

37. Down and dirty in spite of all of his lofty promises.

[MrMickeysMom]

38. I think you have to be able to spell, for starters...

Then, there's that authenticity thing...

[Broward]

40. So, you run away from Bernie into the arms of a warmongering, deceitful corporatist.

[mcar]

41. K&R

[Vinca]

42. He ran into nasty, mean spirited Hillary.

Nothing . . . NOTHING . . . is going to get between Hillary and her place in the history books.

[Armstead]

51. Bingo...It's a replay of 2008 in tone

[randome]

63. So he can't handle opposition. Good to know for a Presidential aspirant.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Vinca]

130. The same could be said for Hillary, only she doesn't need a trigger. She's always that way.

[NurseJackie]

43. Huh, wha- what? ... "Uplifting" Bernie?!? AYFKM?

[reddread]

44. isnt he flying to the Vatican?

in a plane, I believe?

[hobbit709]

45. What happened to "progressive" Hillary?

[seabeyond]

47. Almost 100 finger wags. What is that? Nt

[Armstead]

50. Many are a signal to the moderator, instead of interrupting

Instead of butting in and talking over the opponent, good manners in a debate is to signal to the moderator you want to speak.

Otherwise he and Clinton are about tied in the actual finger wagging department.

[seabeyond]

57. You get... almost 100. Instead of interupting 100 times, he is wagging 100 times. Really?

[Armstead]

58. A lot yes....

If you bother looking you can tell he is biting his tongue waiting for her to finish -- rather than rudely jumping in -- but making that signal to make sure the moderator knows he wants time to respond.

[seabeyond]

62. The vast majority of the finger wags was while CLINTON was still on the clock. Nt

[seabeyond]

103. Almost 100 finger wags.

[seabeyond]

115. To bad you are not able to see the wag of the finger right in front of your eyes.

[seabeyond]

117. certainly not, but it was staying on topic.

[seabeyond]

120. Yes, we both did. ;)

[Matt_in_STL]

126. He should do the Bill Clinton thumb move with his hands

And then tell us how he had no sexual relations with that woman.

[LAS14]

82. In a debate with time limits, you wait until...

... your opponent is finished (like Hillary did) and then take your turn. He behaves like a kindergartener.... and in that way hasn't changed since the start of the debates.

[Armstead]

86. When she wasn't interrupting or filibustering

[Armstead]

49. With all his faults people love him because he's a mensch who is telling the truth

Yeah I wish Bernie's personality was a little "sunnier" and lighter. And he was a little bit faster on his feet in a debate.

But on a more important level, he's real, he's got character...and people trust him. And who has a larger understanding of both what is wrong with our system and what is needed to fix it.

Trust and character translate on a larger sense to what they would actually do in office. Bernie proved in Burlington that he knows how to get things done pragmatically.

[Gothmog]

52. Sanders was very negative and nasty last night

You can tell that he knows that he is losing and losing badly

[NCTraveler]

53. this is who he is.

He has a long career showing just that. Then you put he and Weaver together and it just gets ramped up.

[Armstead]

59. Yes the people in Vermont who have had constant exposure to "just that"....

Keep reelecting him by wide margins and over 80 percent voted for him in the Dem primary.

[NCTraveler]

65. He is an excellent representative for the people of Vermont. Nt

[Armstead]

67. And people in Vermont are humans just like anywhere else

Bernie gets his share of grief for his ideological passion, and the grimpy side of his personality. He's had to do his share of fighting there.

But over time, people love the guy because they know he's the real deal, and he's been a good legislator. And before that a great mayor. And he's inspiring and likable if you take him for what he is.

The extent to which he went from unknown to a contender nationally, indicated that people respond to him outside of "Vermont"

My point is that altjhuuogh he may not be to your personal taste, "Those things" are not as negative as Clinton supporters paint them out to be.

[NCTraveler]

75. My comment you replied to had no negative connotation.

Though I think I can make a very good argument that it is the reason he has limited clout with his colleagues after his very long political career.

I think Clinton has a similar yet different problem when it comes to personality. She rubs many the wrong way yet has unheard of clout and respect from most of her colleagues.

[Armstead]

78. Your comment was agreeing with the very negative statement of the OP

II do have a certain respect for your opinions, which is why I responded.

Do I wish Bernie were a little more like Obama in terms of people skills? Sure.

But one of the biog reasons he doesn't have more political clout with colleagues is because he stands for values and principles that have been abandoned in the corrupt slime pit of contemporary politics. Going against the grain of the club is not going to make anyone popular.

[senz]

55. Despite his disgust at the moral depravity of his opponent, he's as visionary & good as ever.

Hillary went very dirty about a week ago, and I think her ugliness shocked and disgusted Bernie, so it's harder for him to joke with her as much as he used to, although he did do a bit of it last night.

She, of course, never jokes with him, but she does smirk a lot, and I suppose that looks like a smile to those who cannot see.

[randome]

61. "disgust and moral depravity"? Has he ever said this? Or can you read his mind?

That's the kind of naive hero worship that ensures you are part of a losing campaign. If you aren't willing to see things for how they truly are, you will never 'win'.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[senz]

64. His tone changed after she went filthy about a week ago.

Cause and effect, easy to see.

If you saw things "as they are," and if you have a working conscience, you could not possibly support your candidate, so to be generous I'll assume you can't see things for how they are.

[randome]

66. I'm not really 'supporting' Clinton, I simply recognize that she's going to be our next President.

That's a recognition of how things are, too: an Independent crashing another political party while trash-talking it and who is vying with Ted Cruz for the least number of Congressional endorsements.

Sanders has no connections or infrastructure to bring about the changes he wants. Clinton does. That's just how things are.

I don't even particularly like Clinton, but there she is and we'd be advised to make the most of it instead of giving up.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[senz]

69. She's close to losing the primary. Polls show her weaker than Bernie in the GE.

The only way she got establishment support is through marriage to an ex-president, tremendous wealth, and a well-known and much-feared enemies list. Not through a single worthwhile quality of her own.

[kennetha]

70. Engage in sexism much?

[senz]

79. No. Female, feminist, pro-choice activist.

Cry wolf much?

[kennetha]

84. no feminist would say this kind of crap

about a serious and accomplished woman like Hilary Clinton.

The only way she got establishment support is through marriage to an ex-president.... not through a single worthwhile quality of her own.

[senz]

93. Don't falsify my statement.

The only way she got establishment support is through marriage to an ex-president, tremendous wealth, and a well-known and much-feared enemies list. Not through a single worthwhile quality of her own.

The only way she got her carpetbagged senate seat and huge political standing was through a very famous name. She had nothing previously to earn it. She hadn't held previous office and didn't even live in New York.

Contrast Bernie: he worked hard and won every single office as an outsider and an unknown.

Big difference.

[kennetha]

99. I didn't falsify your statement

It's disgustingly and patently sexist.

[senz]

105. You took words out of context, omitting most of what I wrote.

And now you are trying to smear ME the same way you smear Bernie.

Finally seeing you clearly, kennetha.

[CrowCityDem]

72. And Bernie's still losing to her. Ergo, he's even worse.

[senz]

81. He's gone from zero to sixty in record time. Watch out.

[CrowCityDem]

85. And like a sports car, he's impractical.

[senz]

88. His records is solid, his policies are clear and paid for.

Plus, he plays fair and honest.

Your candidate can't even compare on that level.

[COLGATE4]

94. I agree, I thought the 2 bills he authored

naming two Post Offices were right on. Now THAT's a solid record.

[senz]

97. No, that's Hillary's record. Naming post offices and outlawing flag burning.

[COLGATE4]

121. Really? You are aware that the only legislation

Bernie authored and passed was naming two post offices. Otherwise, nothing but amendments. Not exactly a stellar record of achievement for being in the Senate as long as he has.

[CrowCityDem]

100. Let me finish laughing...

Clear and paid for?

How often in his speeches does he mention that states are going to have to raise taxes to fund 30% of his college plan, if they even want to go along with it?

There's nothing 'fair' or 'honest' about jumping to conclusions and calling someone a tool of big business and "unqualified", when you can't name a single example, and you can't fact check what someone actually said.

[senz]

108. Reading problems, CrowCityDem?

He spelled out the financing of his proposals months ago.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

Bernie does his homework.

[CrowCityDem]

111. Funny he neer mentions it on the stump. Only says "free".

[senz]

113. He talks about it in debates and on the stump as well

It's an ingenious plan. Why aren't you aware of it?

When he says "free" he is talking about free for the student -- at a public college.

[Armstead]

71. I find that thought very dispiriting

Clinton epitomizes the worst of the Democratic Party, and will continue to push it to irrelevance. I don't say that lightly....It's the results of decades of seeing them in action.

If she is the nominee the Democratic Party will probably go back into its nice comfy cocoon of non-issues. The only issues will be the low hanging fruit and plain vanilla platitudes. Politics will revert to the same old empty "Our team good, their team bad" gridlock we've had for decades. Clinton will get nothing of substance done.

The public will go back to the legitimate cynicism and detachment from politics and the fatalism of "You can't fight City Hall."

Meanwhile, behind the scenes the well-heeled pigs and the lobbyists and immoral corporations will continue to do their destructive work of dismantling the middle class and democracy, while the D and R teams will spat over what color the ball is.

[kennetha]

77. Clinton will consolidate and expand Obama's achievements

This is golden and unique opportunity. Democrats haven't controlled the presidency for 3 successive terms in my lifetime. And I'm no longer young. The last time that happened was during the FDR-Truman years. We cannot waste this opportunity.

[Armstead]

83. I'd settle for a third term of Obama

I love a lot about him, though I wish he'd break free of the establishment more. I agree with Obama with a lot in principle.

I just don't see that with Clinton.

[kennetha]

90. Obama and almost all democrats in congress disagree with you

[Bluenorthwest]

127. If Obama was so supportive of Hillary he'd have waited and not run against her.

He's much younger and was basically brand new to DC. This could be his run right now, following her. But that did not seem prudent to him. He ran hard to defeat her and he did so.

[kennetha]

129. Well that was then. This is now

They kissed and made up, and she served him well for four years. They clearly have a mutual admiration society and a deep bond.

[randome]

80. These past decades of turmoil have been the result of Republican control of the legislature.

Our chances of retaking the Senate improve each day the GOP self-destructs a little more. It's going to be a new ballgame after this election, I really think that.

But since Clinton is clearly favored to win, we'd best get to work on her now, not complain and give up.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

92. The composition of Congress seems to make little difference

Regardless of whether the Dems, GOP or both are in power, I remember all the variations of "keep our powder dry" and complaints of the GOP power through filibusters and procedural moves....or worse yet the "American people are not ready for anything this liberal" cop outs.

Meanwhile the GOP were as relentless as wolverines, whether in power or not.

I would hope things will change from that stale gridlock.....but listening to Clinton, and seeing how the Dem elites have circled the wagons around her against that upstart populist Sanders and those awful Bernie-bros to deflect fro mthe core issues doesn't give me a lot of hope.

[CrowCityDem]

60. You can't lift a campaign without voters...

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and Bernie is realizing he doesn't have enough of them. Desperation makes you do funny things.

[Armstead]

68. Having a cynical obnoxious opponent also makes one do funny things

[geek tragedy]

73. that was an act. he's a cynical politician who will fight as dirty as anyone nt

[LAS14]

74. The early debates made me proud to be a Democrat. nt

It did feel like Bernie had changed his behavior more than Hillary.

[bkkyosemite]

89. Well what I saw was a precise, to the point person who got his points across. What I saw

in Clinton was a person who avoided the questions of Social Security, transcripts, lied about Senator Sanders several times and constantly interrupted and screamed as they kept telling her that her time was up over and over.

[kennetha]

91. Precise?

Bernie? Precise and Bernie don't occupy the same universe!

[Sheepshank]

95. He turned into an acrimonious, spittle throwing, angry, misplaced fool

...on the advice of his handlers.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

96. Better than becoming a corrupted, bought and paid-fo liar, right?

[Sheepshank]

102. and the same worn out talking point that tripped up Bernie in the debates is trotted out...fail

[jane123]

98. Bernie is not "berning out"

He's just getting tired of Secretary Clinton not taking responsibility for her bad votes and bad decision and instead she tries to somehow with her long wondering answers to spin gold webs around her bad judgement and decisions. I imagine he is also tired of being lied about and mischaracterized. She clearly had a bad night last night because she is not used to being pressed for answers and not being outsmarted on the debate stage...and last night she clearly was for all the world to see.

[cherokeeprogressive]

101. Lying Hillary happened to Uplifting Bernie.

See how that works.

[kgnu_fan]

104. Cher has been converted now. More research ppl do, they turn to Bernie.

[Orsino]

110. You mean you're still not inspired by the candidate who didn't inspire you?

I for one appreciate this update. Please let me know when nothing changes.

[noiretextatique]

112. Has Hillary ever been uplifting? Ever?

No wonder she doesn't want to debate. The more she speaks, the more she turns people off.

[JudyM]

114. It's the corruption and its profound impact on the environment, a living wage, education, foreign

policy, and on and on. Corporations are essentially the employers of our politicians, because they fund them and set the agenda. There is abundant, hard, factual evidence of this in every arena. Can you see it on the republican side with the denial of climate change? It is essentially the same on the democratic side, although not as bad.

Executive branch policy and congressional legislation favor (or at least overweight) donors' interests. This is why Dems have been outraged by Citizens United, because it legalized massive corporate donations to politicians as "free speech." Yet Hillary is now essentially standing on the side of the conservative republicans' position in Citizens United.

[rock]

118. You only feel the bern

If your pants are on fire.

[redstateblues]

123. Bernie is a anger and envy merchant-Crash and Bern

[EndElectoral]

124. What do the young see? Hope...the ability to say "Yes, We Can" instead of "It's just not possible."

They're tired of lies and the philosophy of incrementalism while income inequality keeps growing.

[timlot]

125. Young people see free College.

Bernie is like that rich uncle. Going to pay your college, your healthcare, your food. You look at him as the cool dad you wish you had.

[Bluenorthwest]

128. You are one of the DUers that has smeared him habitually for months so you never thought him

uplifting and it is dishonest in a very basic way to present yourself that way. Your posts are here for all to see, many OP's slamming Bernie Sanders. You don't even seem to like Hillary much, it's all about characterizing Bernie in a relentlessly negative light. I don't trust your posts because they have the feel of preset bias.

[kennetha]

131. I actually really admire Hillary

And think that she will be a terrific president. I was passionately for her in 2008 and am even more passionately for her now.

[tabasco]

132. I find Sanders' use of the truth very uplifting!