Do we want a presidential candidate that is so disorganized

[Gomez163]

that it takes him weeks to find his tax returns?

[IdaBriggs]

1. Or worse, one who can't keep her business and personal email separate?

And does 30,000 "personal" emails about her daughter's wedding and her yoga schedule?

[Gomez163]

2. Yes, actually.

[IdaBriggs]

7. Well, at least you acknowledge she's "worse!"

[Gomez163]

13. He's so cheap he doesn't hire an accountant and has his wife do them.

[Fawke Em]

20. Uh... he doesn't have a lot of crap to hide, so why hire an accountant.

My husband and I make roughly what he earns when you consider our cost of living is lower in Tennessee than Vermont. We don't hire an accountant. That would be fiscally stupid.

[Gomez163]

24. He has two million dollars and makes $200K a year so

yes he needs an accountant.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

64. Another lie - his net worth is around 300k and his salary is $174,000/year

[Gomez163]

66. His AGI from 2014 is $205,271

http://taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/Returns/9900B87E8AE6AF0C85257EB4004E9F66/$file/B_Sanders_2014.pdf

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

70. Oh, so he collects social security. Man you have no shame in even starting this thread.

But you LIED about the 2mil net worth!

[Gomez163]

74. 74 year olds collect it and can still work full time

http://www.inquisitr.com/2785456/is-bernie-sanders-a-one-percenter/

I’m going to conservatively estimate Bernie and Jane’s income at $290,000 annually. Between mutual fund investments and minimum real estate values Feel the Bern is Feelin’ the Wealth between $344,026 and $1,091,030. And there is no way his DC residence is worth a maximum of $100,000. You pay that for a parking space now in downtown DC. And subtracting his listed debt of $25,000 to $65,000, I still find no way the man isn’t worth over $1 million. I would estimate a true fair range is a $1.2 to $1.5 million net worth for Senator Bernie Sanders. For someone who doesn’t care about money, he goes a long way to cover up his true net worth.”
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2785456/is-bernie-sanders-a-one-percenter/#b3XoK6QeG79SUUZI.99


Also add the value of his Senate pension. You get to $2 million very easily.

[HassleCat]

103. Turbo Tax does the job

When I was working, I made almost that much, and Turbo Tax took care of everything, including rental income.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

61. All he needs is turbo-tax at most - they probably do it by hand.

You must be confusing him with the Clintons tax returns.

[Ed Suspicious]

71. I think a PHD can manage to navigate the 1040. Who does your income taxes?

Do you make enough at your astroturf gig to have to file?

[Gomez163]

108. I'm a BK lawyer. I do my own because I know how to professionally.

[astrophuss42]

118. Special

Specialized knowledge!

[Major Nikon]

97. Results...

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He's so cheap he doesn't hire an accountant and has his wife do them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1743518

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[Marr]

127. "So cheap", huh? You know, dog whistles shouldn't be quite so audible.

[DFab420]

3. Annnnnnnd thread. Pack it up everyone this thread's over.

[IdaBriggs]

73. My hero!

Thank you for the nice compliment!

[IamMab]

102. Danth's Law

“If you have to insist that you've won an internet argument, you've probably lost badly.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6408927/Internet-rules-and-laws-the-top-10-from-Godwin-to-Poe.html

[KittyWampus]

11. Sanders proves he's an empty suit and a poseur and you bring up emails. LOLZ!

Keep clutching that email crap. It's all you have.

[IdaBriggs]

25. You so wish - we also have IWR, Libya, Clinton Foundation, and Haiti.

And that is in two seconds off the top of my head.

And *we* don't have the email crap - that would be the good folks at the FBI. They are well known for spending substantial time investigating "things that aren't crimes".

But, as we know from President Obama himself, she didn't "intentionally endanger national security" because she was just (as she's admitted herself) "careless" -- exactly the sort of judgment display of a person who *belongs* in the White House.

On opposite day!

[Politicalboi]

33. And the Honduras Coup

That's being glazed over. They are getting so desperate.

[Fawke Em]

26. You should be worried about it.

This isn't a partisan witch hunt. This is the FBI investigating a violation of US Code (law). What if y'all make her our nominee and then she's either indicted or the FBI thinks she should be and the DoJ refuses, making the people suspicious. Do you not realize how horrible that would be in a general election?

I work in cyber security. All the analysts I know, no matter their political leanings, say if they'd done what she did, they would have already been indicted.

[Armstead]

91. It's also what the Republicans have -- Those emails are a treasure trove

The sleazy insider stuff. The GOP probably have a staff picking through them preparing a list of embarrassments for the General Election.

[thesquanderer]

98. how does not having ready access to his tax returns...

...prove he's an empty suit and a poseur?

[roguevalley]

77. considering tax shit, how about the foundation having to redo four years worth of lies, missing

money, etc. You mean that candidate?

By the way, bernie keeps his taxes like I do, in a file cabinet at home.

[Sheepshank]

4. Find tax returns already available on Turbo Tax web site......

maybe they forgot their password. It is case sensitive.

[Gomez163]

9. Password: onepercent

[Hiraeth]

21. perhaps, Hillary wiped it clean with a cloth after she looked.

[GreatGazoo]

5. Do we want one that tells us that her deal with Goldman is none of our business?

WE want a candidate who is not going to simply cash in on the White House selling cabinet positions to Larry Fink and the rest.

[jmg257]

6. Over Clinton?!? Hell YES!!

Was this a trick question??

[LadyHawkAZ]

8. Over whom?

A warhawk? Absolutely.
A xenophobic loon whose only talent is bankruptcy? Absolutely.
A bigoted dominionist? Absolutely.

[BreakfastClub]

10. I wonder what's in those returns? I'm intrigued by

Hillary's explanation of how Bernie got elected to congress, with the backing of the NRA. It sounds like he is on the take with them and lets them influence his votes on gun issues. Maybe there's some payments from the NRA that he doesn't want to answer to in those returns?

[Gomez163]

12. Probably contributions from Karl Rove and the Koch Bros.

[Capt. Obvious]

22. Are you getting high fives at the other site?

[Fawke Em]

30. LOL!!!

And the Hillarians accuse the Bernie Bros and Babes of being conspiracy theorists.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

67. It's an endoresment. He doesn't take money like Hillary does.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

72. You generally wouldn't list BRIBES on yout tax returns.

[hobbit709]

14. do we want one on the take from the big boys?

[Gomez163]

16. We voted for one in 2008 and 2012.

Didn't turn out so bad.

[Dawgs]

35. Didn't turn out so great either.

Still a lot of pain out there and we can do a lot better than the status-quo.

[Gomez163]

37. Only republicans think that.

[Dawgs]

39. Independents also think that, and they are the largest population of voters.

They are also growing much faster than Democrats and Republicans.

[Gomez163]

41. Independents are hipster republicans.

[Dawgs]

43. No we're not. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. LMAO do me a favor, keep thinking that

[LisaM]

56. Oh, snap!

Great comment.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

79. REALLY? How long have you been a democrat? You sound about 15.

[Hiraeth]

15. tell you like I got told; nunya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1742821

[NCTraveler]

17. There is a really big difference in deception/dishonesty, which is what he is doing,.....

and being disorganized.

It's very clear he is waiting until after NY and has Jane out front taking the hits for deception/dishonesty for him.

[loyalsister]

18. Especially when we are so fortunate to have one whose distance from Wall St

is no different from republicans. Yay New Democrats for running for president from the grave.

[Gomez163]

23. Bernie has investments in Wall Street

[loyalsister]

60. So do millions of people

who don't accept the money facilitated by their fundraisers and money for speeches.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

83. My entire pension is floating on wall street. You seem very naive about the world.

[Gomez163]

87. For someone who spends 90% of his campaign railing against

Wall Street, he should not have investments in it. Especially when he says their business plan is fraud.

[ky_dem]

106. Have you seen interest rates lately?

If you're not in the market you are not even keeping up with inflation

[Broward]

19. Some prefer right-wing Hillary.

[Gothmog]

27. That is a good question

[1StrongBlackMan]

105. I wonder if there is something in them ...

He doesn't want "The People" to see?

(Gee ... this game is fun!!!)

[Autumn]

28. Gee do I want one who can't keep her personal business separate from her work business.

And gets paid outrageous amounts for little private talks with banks, Wall Street? You know the ones who get a lot of government perks? More so than the little people.

[Politicalboi]

29. Or one who doesn't do her homework

And votes for an ILLEGAL war. Give me taxes anytime. You guys are pathetic.

[99Forever]

31. Better than a corrupt candidate owned by the rich fuckheads.

Or candidate that can't the transcripts of speaches made for hundred$ of thousand$ to ve$ted interst$ in buying her loyalty in months.

[northernsouthern]

32. I have decided your post gets...

Three Evil Emperors...

[RampageSnipa586]

34. Who gives a shit about tax returns?

There's a lot more to being a presidential candidate than worrying about where is tax return is. Still waiting on transcripts from Hillary's speeches to Goldman, because we all know we can just tack on more lies when that releases.

[Gomez163]

36. There is no need for her to release them because SCOREBOARD.

[RampageSnipa586]

38. Scoreboard?

Oh you mean of all the Superdelegates that could swing at any moment? Let the truth come out, and we'll see the scoreboard after that. Wednesday morning should be great.

[Gomez163]

40. You have as much chance of getting her superdelegates as finding

a unicorn.

[RampageSnipa586]

45. They've actually found evidence of them

And it's not hard considering her track record. Sniper fire is usually my go to, but I think i'll switch to gay marriage, no wait! I don't support it, well, idk anymore...

[RampageSnipa586]

54. She wasn't president material in 08

So what makes her president material now? More lies since then? Come on.

[Dawgs]

42. Or, because they will destroy her campaign.

Why is she so afraid to release them?

[Gomez163]

47. Because you dont take away from your message 4 days before the primary.

Maybe on a quiet day in mid-June after she's locked it up for good.

[Dawgs]

49. So, you're admitting that they will hurt her campaign.

Nice.

[Gomez163]

50. No. But the media attention will detract from her positive message.

The media are lemmings.

[Dawgs]

90. She's running for President.

If she can't handle releasing speeches and getting scrutinized for them, then she needs to get out.

I thought she was tough.

[oasis]

69. Hillary's too smart to let her enemies cherry pick through her private

transcripts. Tad Devine and Dream Weaver will surely craft a mountain out of a molehill.

[Dawgs]

92. She's running for President. Nothing is private.

Like tax returns that Hill supporters have been going crazy about lately.

[oasis]

99. Since nothing can prevent her from becoming President, she

obviously doesn't see the need to feed the opposition more grist for their bullshit mill.

[Dawgs]

107. I don't understand what you're saying.

Do you really think that her Presidency is inevitable?

[oasis]

110. Trump or Cruz. Take your pick. Hill will win in a cake walk.

Guarantee.

[Dawgs]

44. Hillary will never be President. n/t

[RampageSnipa586]

46. Finally someone with a decent IQ n/t.

[Gomez163]

48. She will win easily. Go vote for Jill Stein

[Dawgs]

53. No candidate that is disliked by 6 out of 10 people will win "easily". n/t

[Gomez163]

55. She will running against Trump, who is disliked by 7 out of 10

[Dawgs]

93. And some independents and all Republicans will hold their nose to vote for him over Hillary. n/t

[RampageSnipa586]

57. If it was so easy then it would already be over

Here we are.

[Lucinda]

114. She seems to be doing just that against Bernie. He's awfully far behind. n/t

[Dawgs]

117. Irrelevant. I'm worried about Trump or Cruz. n/t

[Marr]

128. "Easily"? She lost the last primary, and she's still fighting to beat an unknown socialist

from Vermont in the middle of April in this one.

If she does somehow manage to win the general-- she certainly won't do it 'easily'.

[Kalidurga]

51. Pathetic

This is all you got after the debate. Nothing else. Nothing about how Hillary is going to turn things around for the country. Just more slams on Bernie. You lose.

[KPN]

58. Now that's a cheap shot.

But, let's ask this. Do we we want a presidential candidate who hasn't yet released all of his tax returns but promises to soon or one who is clearly beholden to Wall Street and mega-corporations as documented by her speaking engagements/fees and campaign contributions?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

59. He hasn't been home much to do anything about it.

He's releasing his full 2015 return today. The others will be forthcoming.

Where are the Goldman Sachs transcripts?

Plus, as the poorest member of the senate, I kind of doubt you'll find anything juicy in there. Hell, my net worth is twice his.

[Ken Burch]

62. There has never been an issue with Bernie's returns.

He's not rich.

[Gomez163]

65. I disagree. He's a millionaire. That's rich.

[hobbit709]

68. Where do you get that. Certainly not from his net worth statement.

[Gomez163]

78. Here

http://www.inquisitr.com/2785456/is-bernie-sanders-a-one-percenter/

[peace13]

63. We want one that hallucinates about sniper.

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Speaks of bringing young people to heel and facilitates arms deals while SOS.

[840high]

101. Bam!

[PufPuf23]

75. Some context.

(1) The Sanders gross income is likely on the order of 2 or maybe 3 stipends paid to Hillary Clinton for speeches made to banks; the Sanders' fortune is on the order of 1% to 2% of the Clinton family fortune, the vast majority accumulated post Bill Clinton as POTUS. No other former POTUS has increase in wealth like Bill Clinton and no other former POTUS has formed a (family) non-profit with the endowments and breadth of The Clinton Foundation. As SOS, Clinton favored associates with financial / business ambitions and interests with inside knowledge or took their advice (see Blumenthal, Libya). The issue as a campaign item is making a mountain out of a molehill when Clinton has the financial mountains.

(2) Whatever is in the Sanders tax returns would be spun and twisted by the Clinton campaign. The Hillary Clinton campaign is not capable of acting in good faith with a competitor. If I was to advise Sanders, my recommendation would be to hold off on releasing the returns until after nominated as the Democratic POTUS candidate for the general election. Even then, I would recommend only releasing the general and having trusted individuals review and speak to the public (and GOP) on the specifics.

Sanders could have handled the tax return issue more adroitly.

[Gomez163]

81. A former President commands large speaking fees.

So did, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and both Bushes. Carter didnt do many paid speeches. But he could if he wanted to.

[PufPuf23]

84. Never as many nor as large nor by former First lady / Senator / SOS.

To say otherwise is to deliberately confuse the issue.

You are welcome.

[Hiraeth]

94. good answer.

[astrophuss42]

76. I'd much prefer someone

Who needs a team of a dozen to do them.

[Vinca]

82. As someone traveling with the campaign noted,

the returns are in Vermont, Jane is in charge of them, Jane is on the campaign trail and it's merely logistics stopping their release. I'm sure once she returns to Burlington you'll have them. Now . . . about those transcripts. What are the chances they'll appear?

[Gomez163]

89. She could go to any IRS Service Center with her ID and get 4 years of transcripts.

[Vinca]

95. Maybe you should call her and let her know.

I had no idea a person could do that and I also have no idea where there is an IRS service center near me. If Jane is in Rome with Bernie, it's highly unlikely there will be one nearby. You all need to get a life. Once the things come out they'll be so bloody boring you'll have to quickly change course and find a new faux issue. I vote for medical records. You guys haven't played the ageism card yet. It's long overdue.

[COLGATE4]

109. Yep. I heard that they don't have computers in New York 0r

Rome. She has to wait to get home to Vermont in order to access Turbo Tax and print out copies of her last 7 years' taxes. Thanks for explaining that. The technical stuff gets complicated sometimes...

[Vinca]

111. Some of us don't do our taxes on the computer.

I know that's hard to grasp, but it's true. I wouldn't be able to give you the last few years of my taxes unless I had access to hard copies in a filing cabinet at my house.

[COLGATE4]

116. Jane said she does theirs on Turbo Tax. Their last 7 years' returns are the

push of a button away. So, why no returns?

[Vinca]

120. Why don't you email Jane and ask her? I'm not clairvoyant.

[COLGATE4]

125. I thought you were, After all, this exchange started with

your stating that 'you were sure she would release them once she got to Burlington', so I was sure you'd also know the answer to my question. Does this clarivoyance thing of yours come and go?

[Vinca]

130. It's probably not as reliable as your mystical powers.

[karynnj]

85. Or records from her law firm?? Wasn't that like 2 years?

Not to mention, somehow not bothering to leave SD related emails with the State Department archive when she left - even as she KNEW there were legitimate requests for some of them.

[Avalux]

86. I guess you feel compelled to lie like that since your candidate is confused and careless. n/t

[Armstead]

88. I do

[BainsBane]

96. That in combination with the FEC violations

which is the far more important issue, in my mind, though the media continues to ignore it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

100. Better a disorgnized candidate than a disgusting one who votes for a brutal war.

And, then calls it a "mistake".

[ScreamingMeemie]

104. Do we really want to wallow in this instead of discussing issues?

It's gotten so ridiculous. I say that about BOTH the tax returns AND the transcripts. I'm not buying any of this "concern." Sorry.

[QC]

124. Yes, or at least many prefer to wallow in trivia

rather than discuss issues. A surprising number, in fact.

Why do you supposed that might be? The nation--and the world--face so many issues touching on whether we will all live or die, yet many, if not most, of this forum's active members are eager to talk about anything and everything but those issues.

Strange, isn't it?

[snowy owl]

112. Penny wise, pound foolish. Worry about the country instead. And a corporatist President. Big money.

Cut off your nose to spite your face. C'mon, move on. You think he owns a gold mine somewhere? Raise your expectations for the country.

[pdsimdars]

113. Yes, that is the important characteristic we look for. Judgement is way down the list apparently.

Neatness, that messy hair, like Einstein and those rumpled suits. That whole absent minded professor thing . . . . look how clean, pressed and coiffed Hillary is. Who cares if she chooses wrong on every major issue that confronts the country. . . she's pretty and neat.

You got it. You clearly express the profound depths of Hillary supporters. Woo-hoo!

[pdsimdars]

115. huma abedin's foia email observation of hillary clinton: "she's often confused".

I thought this was interesting from a post earlier today.
It was wondering about her medical health.

[mhatrw]

119. Do we want a presidential candidate who is so corrupt

that she will not tell us what she said in her paid $250,000 speeches to special interests?

[DesertRat]

121. Becoming President requires efficient multi-tasking and delegating

He seems to be deficient in both of those areas.

[QC]

122. And his penmanship! My God! Pure chicken scratch!

He'll get the 12th Grade Boy's Good Citizen Medal over my dead body!

[Nanjeanne]

123. I sure don't want one that Pres. Obama calls "careless".

[revbones]

126. Or 2 months to find her speech transcripts?

Or deletes 30k+ emails?
Or ignores security protocols she signed in handling classified materials?

[HooptieWagon]

129. Took Hillary 2 years to find Rose Law Firm billing records sitting on the end table.