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Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:18 PM Apr 2016

Hillary Hires Criminal Attorney David Kendall...

As I've been saying, the FBI doesn't do "security reviews."


From Whitewater to the Lewinsky affair, David Kendall has been there for the Clintons. And now LawNewz.com has learned that the longtime Clinton attorney is also representing Hillary Clinton in the FBI’s probe into her private email server. He will likely not be far when she is interviewed by the FBI, which is expected to happen soon. Kendall knows a thing or two about classified information: He helped former CIA director David Patreaus avoid felony charges when Patreaus allegedly gave “black books” to a mistress who was writing his book.

Several reports indicate that the FBI investigation has entered its final stages. So it is no surprise that Clinton would need a lawyer by her side, and who better than the man who has been loyal to the Clinton family for more than twenty years. The choice of Kendall is not shocking as he’s also been handling the State Department and Senate’s inquiry into her private emails for months now. There was some speculation that as the investigation reportedly intensified, she may hire another attorney to deal with the FBI’s probe specifically, but Clinton is staying with a friend she knows well.


http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/the-longtime-clinton-attorney-now-representing-hillary-in-fbis-criminal-probe/

And, yes, Kendall is a criminal attorney - not a civil one. He handled a number of high-profile death penalty cases before becoming Clinton's go-to man.
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Hillary Hires Criminal Attorney David Kendall... (Original Post) Fawke Em Apr 2016 OP
It is sad to see this republican conspiracy theory being so successful in trying to Actor Apr 2016 #1
So, you're saying the Clintons have a "get out of jail free" card? nichomachus Apr 2016 #3
Karl Rove? Actor Apr 2016 #5
you really think Bob Marley would support clinton over bernie... no way no how berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #76
No, and I support Bernie. But you might not recognize someone like me. Actor Apr 2016 #86
fair enough berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #87
LOL, who do you think you are kidding? rhett o rick Apr 2016 #118
You are evidently new to this politics thing. Actor Apr 2016 #149
I am new? You have a lot of audacity for only 26 posts. Actually you sound very familiar. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #155
Deep in the state of denial. leveymg Apr 2016 #132
Why are you assuming she is guilty and warrants jail time here? LonePirate Apr 2016 #54
I don't think anyone has to assume she is guilty and warrants jail time. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #81
Interestingly, plenty of legal scholars disagree with everything you have said, even our President LonePirate Apr 2016 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Apr 2016 #93
Please tell me... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #4
2 posts??? Nt Logical Apr 2016 #7
I dont have to be an old timer here to know who has orchestrated a 25 year long Actor Apr 2016 #10
Welcome to DU! rock Apr 2016 #50
You fail to understand the FBI is under the DOJ umbrella which falls under Obama pinebox Apr 2016 #51
How is this right wing when... Oilwellian Apr 2016 #121
Then your "knowledge" isn't based on much. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #125
Where would you have them start? rock Apr 2016 #49
Hauling out the back-bench in desperation it seems... eom Purveyor Apr 2016 #53
Yup freak republic shit workinclasszero Apr 2016 #18
FBI investigations aren't partisan committees. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #26
the DOJ doesn't seem to think that this is republican made. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #83
Making these pronouncements on your first day here? Punkingal Apr 2016 #23
How, pray tell, is an FBI investigation a "right wing talking point?" Fawke Em Apr 2016 #24
Your headline for this OP is bull brush Apr 2016 #113
You keep a CRIMINAL attorney on retainer? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #135
I didn't say that. And the OP says the lawyer has always been her attorney. brush Apr 2016 #139
Hillary's own actions are a conspiracy theory? Autumn Apr 2016 #28
Come on guys, a little discipline . . . remember the old rule "don't feed the trolls." pdsimdars Apr 2016 #30
Because everybody undergoing an FBI 'security review' hires criminal defense attorneys? HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #43
A top notch attorney (family court, civil or criminal) is prudent, not a sign of guilt. It's just.. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #58
Any other person? It is like I found myself on KarlRove.com Actor Apr 2016 #61
It's more like you don't recognize the simple truth Kentonio Apr 2016 #64
Perhaps you should look into the realities of the legal system, as you seem quite naive to it. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #114
Source IP check, please. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #75
I don't think you get a high priced lawyer that has gotten people off on similar but milder accusati 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #79
It sure is sad catnhatnh Apr 2016 #97
bush and his republican criminals lie their way into a war with iraq. where's the outrage? MariaThinks Apr 2016 #103
I have plenty of outrage for all of them boobooday Apr 2016 #151
Hillary VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR. Where's the outrage? BillZBubb Apr 2016 #152
Actually I was wondering the opposite. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #128
The Clintons have indeed been shady for decades - and are finally meeting a generation of Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #136
What always bothered me is... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #2
Looks like JoePhilly's "Indictment Fairy" is about to make an appearance The Old Lie Apr 2016 #52
Welcome, Psychic Poster - member since Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:53 PM IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #67
"Vote for Hillary she could care less about national security" her new campaign slogan awake Apr 2016 #84
Oh, no. You're wrong. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #126
Well, you know she has to say that to look innocent. HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #98
Indeed. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #99
She brought this on herself. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #6
New campaign motto: I'm not a crook. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #15
There are certainly unpleasant similarities. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #19
That's not far off the mark. They both love Kissinger. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #153
Or: You ain't got nuthin on me, dirty coppers!!! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #120
Flinch Fairgo Apr 2016 #9
:0 ky_dem Apr 2016 #31
I tell you, I get more chuckles here than I do watching a comedian. . . . laugh out LOUD funny. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #32
Never heard that one before! Hilarious! TheDormouse Apr 2016 #36
Fresh baked this morning... Fairgo Apr 2016 #39
"I'm watering the stove so it will grow up big and strong... mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #47
lol TheDormouse Apr 2016 #102
... Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #71
Oh-I LIKE that catnhatnh Apr 2016 #101
. mmonk Apr 2016 #140
How do you suddenly hire someone who has worked for you for decades? IamMab Apr 2016 #11
How disturbing to have a criminal defense attorney on retainer...for "decades" riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #17
Not unusual for a couple that have had trumped-up charges leveled at them the whole time. IamMab Apr 2016 #20
Lol, never ASSume. I'm in my 50s whippersnapper. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #21
Your parents LOL LOL LOL I remember it. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #56
Better Call Saul...nt Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #40
Ravens are lovely birds. I have several. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #134
You have ravens... wicked cool yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #156
You call in the retainer. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #27
Except everyone pays a retainer to a lawyer, whether they hire them for years or not. IamMab Apr 2016 #33
Most people don't pay retainers if it's a long term relationship ky_dem Apr 2016 #157
most of us don't keep CRIMINAL attorneys on retainer, so it is a bid odd. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #34
I know I always keep a criminal defense attorney on retainer xloadiex Apr 2016 #78
Simply put. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #104
Read the full story nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #109
?? Kendall has been her Attorney on this allong.... 4139 Apr 2016 #12
and Grassley sent him a letter asking if Guccifer hacked HRC's emails antigop Apr 2016 #13
Difference between... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #14
I'm shocked that someone being interviewed by the FBI would retain counsel. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #16
I didn't say it was shocking or even odd. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #29
With all due respect ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #45
Or a poor person... Fawke Em Apr 2016 #133
Yeah ...Okay. Even a poor person. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #138
You can't be too rich or too thin HassleCat Apr 2016 #22
Nothing says win like the leading democrat candidate having to lawyer up. Autumn Apr 2016 #25
Let's put the appropriate adjective on that "lawyer" noun . . . .and that would be "Criminal" pdsimdars Apr 2016 #37
This situation makes me very sad. TheDormouse Apr 2016 #38
It doesn't make me sad anymore. That's what Clinton does, stupid shit that needs to be Autumn Apr 2016 #112
The crazy thing was it was all unnecessary .... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #119
"The choice of Kendall is not shocking" the article says Congruente Apr 2016 #35
No. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #131
Nothing wrong with hiring a lawyer... speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #41
Has this ever happened in U.S. primary elections? smiley Apr 2016 #42
Does Rick Perry count? TheDormouse Apr 2016 #46
Rick Perry is not running for the Presidency last time I looked. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #55
but he was during this primary TheDormouse Apr 2016 #82
Not the best company to be in heh? smiley Apr 2016 #63
Leading Dem candidate lawyering up? HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #44
From my understanding, everyone has done it including Colin Powell snowy owl Apr 2016 #48
No, snowy owl, Hillary is different because of the server. 2cannan Apr 2016 #59
Ok. I didn't understand that. I read early accounts that the same.Not for HRC but am fair-thanks! snowy owl Apr 2016 #68
your understanding is wrong. grasswire Apr 2016 #65
I'll take your word for it - can you provide link? Never mind. I found it! snowy owl Apr 2016 #69
well, right here on DU... grasswire Apr 2016 #72
We're just about finished up Oilwellian Apr 2016 #122
yep grasswire Apr 2016 #124
Time to drop out now Hillary! berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #57
Grassley sent him a letter asking if Guccifer hacked HRC's emails antigop Apr 2016 #60
He has been the Clinton's lawyer forever. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #62
CRIMINAL Lawyer -- and you don't think it's ODD she has had him FOREVER? IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #73
No. As a criminal defense attorney, no. Nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #89
Okay, I don't even know how to respond to you. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #100
You don't know who in your social circle has a criminal lawyer on retainer. msanthrope Apr 2016 #106
Again, fair point about my social circle. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #110
As an avid Bernie backer and former prosecutor and crim defense attorney, Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #116
Funny, in my circles, having lawyers on retainer is what we do. After all,who msanthrope Apr 2016 #137
Criminal lawyers are not the norm for mine. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #142
that sort of privilege would explain the HRC loyalty. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #146
They would probably save money if they just put him on permanent retainer. Punkingal Apr 2016 #66
Another questions: was her private server meant to be more secure? or secret? snowy owl Apr 2016 #74
By law all messaging must be journaled Aerows Apr 2016 #92
IIRC there were hearings/negotiations before she was confirmed, b/c there was concern nashville_brook Apr 2016 #147
To add Aerows Apr 2016 #96
Maybe he can help when it comes to the Clinton Foundation arms deal too... polichick Apr 2016 #77
Yes. senz Apr 2016 #123
Wow! the plot thickens! amborin Apr 2016 #80
Rick Perry was arrested and this place LOVED IT. But the FBI doing their job is "right wing"? LOL! Logical Apr 2016 #88
And when members of the Bush admin used private email, everyone on DU hated it n/t arcane1 Apr 2016 #95
Did they use their own private server in their basement? Did they take million$ from foreign govts RiverLover Apr 2016 #141
I am simply going to believe... NCTraveler Apr 2016 #90
Poor optics. frylock Apr 2016 #91
I love both Eeyore and Canadian drama. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #127
Lets! frylock Apr 2016 #150
Attorney Kendall possessed a thumb drive of her potentially classified emails in his office..... seafan Apr 2016 #94
Oh but there's nothing we should be concerned about. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #105
I would be bringing this up also after the disastrous Jewish Outreach appointment of Ms. Zimmerman, still_one Apr 2016 #107
This is not about Benghazi.... this is a FBI criminal investigation on her emails and email server berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #129
Drip, Drip, Drip... AzDar Apr 2016 #108
Well, hell. She lawyered up. demwing Apr 2016 #111
I am not a crook! BigBearJohn Apr 2016 #115
Well, she can afford it...... nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #117
Awwww, this is SO cute! NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #130
Be of good cheer - even if she is, she probably won't drop out. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #143
the Rs are dying to run against HRC so they can subpoena her at their leisure. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #148
The Clintons destroy manufacturing jobs, but they have always created work for attorneys nt BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #144
The GOP is pissed they couldn't tamper with it and plant incriminating evidence against her. lindysalsagal Apr 2016 #145
Unfortunately, they didn't have to plant anything. Evidence is already there. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #154
Evidence of what? Doing one of the most difficult jobs in the world? lindysalsagal Apr 2016 #159
The FBI wouldn't be investigating this unless there was real evidence of a possible crime. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #160
I asked and you had no answer. I'm not defending anything. lindysalsagal Apr 2016 #161
Among potential crimes is mishandling classified information. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #162
Influence peddling is wrong but it has nothing to do with the server. If they really start enforcing lindysalsagal Apr 2016 #163
I'm just stating the facts. There are emails on the server in re Clinton Foundation issues. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #164
I do hope that we reconfirm the shaky notion that we are a nation of laws. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #158

Actor

(626 posts)
1. It is sad to see this republican conspiracy theory being so successful in trying to
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

discredit the Clinton's.

But they have been at it for decades.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
3. So, you're saying the Clintons have a "get out of jail free" card?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:22 PM
Apr 2016

Because the Republicans have attacked them, they can now do anything they want and no one can question it without it being called a Republican conspiracy?

How very clever of them. Very, very Karl Rove tactic.

Actor

(626 posts)
86. No, and I support Bernie. But you might not recognize someone like me.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

I support the defeat of the right wing even if that means voting for Hillary.

I can state the undeniable fact that the right has an orchestrated campaign of propaganda on the Clinton's and support Bernie at the same time.

Even Bernie believes that.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
155. I am new? You have a lot of audacity for only 26 posts. Actually you sound very familiar. nm
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016
 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
81. I don't think anyone has to assume she is guilty and warrants jail time.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

the server was illegal, the hiding of the emails, or wiping if you prefer was illegal, her testimony was illegal, and we haven't touched on her selling government contracts to the highest donor to her foundation yet.

It's obvious that she is guilty. It remains doubtful if she will get the jail time she deserves due to our two tiered legal system. That will only make the people hate her even more. She will be impeached if she should ever make it to the White House. I doubt though that that republicans will let her get that far with all of her baggage.

LonePirate

(14,375 posts)
85. Interestingly, plenty of legal scholars disagree with everything you have said, even our President
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

Frankly, I am going to side with people who have actual knowledge and who are performing the investigation instead of swinging an executioner's axe for purely partisan reasons.

Response to 2pooped2pop (Reply #81)

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
4. Please tell me...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

Which party is running the executive Branch -- which the FBI falls under. If this was nothing, President Obama would have squashed this from the get go. Just saying...

Actor

(626 posts)
10. I dont have to be an old timer here to know who has orchestrated a 25 year long
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

propaganda campaign to discredit the Clinton's.


My knowledge of this and pointing it out has nothing to do with whether or not I support her or Bernie Sanders.

She could be running against anybody, would not change this simple fact.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
121. How is this right wing when...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:28 AM
Apr 2016

Obama appointed the Inspector General at the State Department who asked the FBI to investigate this case?

Blaming the right wing on her own destructive behavior won't wash this time. Hillary created this scandal all on her own.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
125. Then your "knowledge" isn't based on much.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:20 AM
Apr 2016

She's being investigated of a crime, not partisan bullshit.

rock

(13,218 posts)
49. Where would you have them start?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

Are you one of those Bernie Sanders Math Geniuses?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
18. Yup freak republic shit
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

right here on the pages of DU.

Its been ongoing since Bernie entered the race.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
26. FBI investigations aren't partisan committees.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

Get your head out of the sand about this, please, before you ruin the party.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
83. the DOJ doesn't seem to think that this is republican made.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

Why would you? Hillary brings her own trouble, and almost constantly, at that.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
24. How, pray tell, is an FBI investigation a "right wing talking point?"
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

This is where Hillary supporters stick their heads in the sand.

Yes. I fully agree that the right-wing has trumped (no pun intended) up charges on the Clintons throughout the years and most of these investigations have been conducted by partisan hacks with crosses to bear, but this isn't one of them.

There is US Code (specifically 18 US Code 739) that relates to maintaining national security/defense data a certain way. If what we know is true about the unsecured server, she failed to meet the criteria set forth in that Code. I don't think it was intentional, but that doesn't matter. She was made aware of how she was supposed to treat that data and signed off on it, but, out of sheer convenience (and possibly to avoid FOIA requests) disregarded this warning.

But, if you'd like, I'll call up some of my colleagues in the FBI and let them know you think they're all some big right-wing machine. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
113. Your headline for this OP is bull
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

You infer that she just hired a criminal attorney but then write that he's always been her attorney.

Many people have attorneys. Hell, I have an attorney.

Stop with the bs, she's not getting indicted, and Sanders is not getting the nomination.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
30. Come on guys, a little discipline . . . remember the old rule "don't feed the trolls."
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
43. Because everybody undergoing an FBI 'security review' hires criminal defense attorneys?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:02 PM
Apr 2016

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
58. A top notch attorney (family court, civil or criminal) is prudent, not a sign of guilt. It's just..
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

.


She should be thankful that she has the financial capital to spend hundreds of thousands or millions on a defense.


Any other person would be locked away, as soon as their money runs out to field a defense.



This all goes to the contributions of the Trial Lawyer industry, to keep things overly complicated and fucked up.
Just like those guys who pay to make the tax code complicated so you have to buy software or hire an accountant.


.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
64. It's more like you don't recognize the simple truth
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:45 PM
Apr 2016

That hundreds of thousands of Americans annually receive a substandard legal defense because they don't have money and have to rely on overworked, poorly motivated public defenders who will often plea bargain just to clear their workloads.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
114. Perhaps you should look into the realities of the legal system, as you seem quite naive to it.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

.


And, regarding Karl Rove: You lift that needle up a little because the record's skipping.


.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
79. I don't think you get a high priced lawyer that has gotten people off on similar but milder accusati
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:23 PM
Apr 2016

accusations when it's only a republican conspiracy theory. She is a seriously flawed candidate regardless of the republicans.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
97. It sure is sad
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:08 PM
Apr 2016

that an ex president and his spouse have had to hire a criminal attorney multiple times because they've been "at it" for years.

And welcome to the board.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
103. bush and his republican criminals lie their way into a war with iraq. where's the outrage?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:15 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary chews food - she has no manners.

boobooday

(7,869 posts)
151. I have plenty of outrage for all of them
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

And Hillary was a big supporter of the war in Iraq. She made a speech in support of it. That was the day she lost me forever.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
152. Hillary VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR. Where's the outrage?
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

w. bush should be in jail with cheney and the rest. Did president Obama go after them for war crimes?

There is plenty of outrage to go around. That doesn't excuse any criminal activity by Hillary.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
128. Actually I was wondering the opposite.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:26 AM
Apr 2016

Why has it gotten so quite about this. I pops up on here once in a blue moon, but nothing like Popegate, Standgate, 1040Agate, 13%gate, apologygate, fingerwaggate, redgate, racistgate, and so on from the HRC crew. But is has been a bit. Why the lol in the news? Hillary would be happy if it was almost over, the FBI seems to be holding out? Are they waiting until the general election?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
136. The Clintons have indeed been shady for decades - and are finally meeting a generation of
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:33 AM
Apr 2016

progressives no longer willing to excuse it.

Praise Nancy Reagan?
DADT?
DOMA?
TPP?
TTIP?
NAFTA?
For-profit prisons?
"Superpredators?"
Iraq War?
Libya? - On the advice of Blumenthal? Whom Obama told Clinton to NEVER consult?

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
2. What always bothered me is...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

That every time Clinton said she won't be indicted or what have you is the fact that those being investigated aren't told of the details of an investigation.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
67. Welcome, Psychic Poster - member since Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:53 PM
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

The indictment fairy is employed by the FBI (who rarely spend a year's worth of resources investigating "not crimes&quot . We will all await the appearance of said fairy about whose investigation we can only speculate until it is complete. Until then, we can only rely on those famous words of President Barack Obama: "she didn't intentionally endanger national security - she was just careless!"

awake

(3,226 posts)
84. "Vote for Hillary she could care less about national security" her new campaign slogan
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:32 PM
Apr 2016

I think that fits her to a T

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
98. Well, you know she has to say that to look innocent.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:09 PM
Apr 2016

But those of us without the privilege of being celebrity white politicians know it's possible to get indicted even if your innocent.

It's also possible to get convicted while being innocent.

I suspect her aides will find out about what that threat is like.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
99. Indeed.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:10 PM
Apr 2016

And, the aides will do a few years in jail and then, after being released, will find good jobs at the Clinton Foundation.

Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #8)

Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
9. Flinch
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

You can pretend that your kitchen is not on fire, but eventually you have to explain why you are watering the stove.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
32. I tell you, I get more chuckles here than I do watching a comedian. . . . laugh out LOUD funny.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
47. "I'm watering the stove so it will grow up big and strong...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

... and make little stoves."

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
11. How do you suddenly hire someone who has worked for you for decades?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

Ooops, logic-bomb!

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
20. Not unusual for a couple that have had trumped-up charges leveled at them the whole time.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

Your parents probably remember the 90s; ask them about it.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
27. You call in the retainer.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

Easy.

A retainer is simply a way to make payments and keep the attorney on notice that he/she represents you when need be. You don't always need him/her, but he/she will be there if/when you do.

However, most of us don't keep CRIMINAL attorneys on retainer, so it is a bid odd.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
33. Except everyone pays a retainer to a lawyer, whether they hire them for years or not.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016
Retainer: a fee that the client pays upfront to an attorney before the attorney has begun work for the client.

Most of us don't have the GOP abusing the government to pursue relentless and baseless prosecutions of us either.

ky_dem

(86 posts)
157. Most people don't pay retainers if it's a long term relationship
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

I worked as a paralegal in a firm that is in the top 25 in terms of size - the only people who pay retainers are new clients who we haven't sussed out whether they are going to pay on time, other than that people just get billed. The only reason I can think of to put someone on retainer is because you want to create a conflict so that that lawyer can't work counter to your interests on a particular matter

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
34. most of us don't keep CRIMINAL attorneys on retainer, so it is a bid odd.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016

BECAUSE most of us don't NEED criminal attorneys on retainer.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
78. I know I always keep a criminal defense attorney on retainer
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:15 PM
Apr 2016

You know, just in case I decide to do something..criminal.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
104. Simply put.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

You put them on retainer and then have them work on your behalf regarding the issue at hand. It has to do with legal ethics laws and such blah blah.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
109. Read the full story
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:33 PM
Apr 2016

Here to help you. I had the same question by the way.


There was some speculation that as the investigation reportedly intensified, she may hire another attorney to deal with the FBI’s probe specifically, but Clinton is staying with a friend she knows well.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
13. and Grassley sent him a letter asking if Guccifer hacked HRC's emails
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2016-04-12%20CEG%20to%20HRC%20%28Guccifer%20Victim%20Notification%29.pdf


The letter was sent to HRC, c/o David Kendall, Clinton's lawyer.

It specifically asks:
"1. Have you received any notice from the Department of Justice or other government
agency relating to Mr. Lazar?
2. Has the Department of Justice or any other government agency informed you that you
were a victim of hacking, other unlawful computer access, or any other crime, whether
attempted or realized, by Mr. Lazar or any other person or entity?"

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
29. I didn't say it was shocking or even odd.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

But it does negate her claim that the FBI was doing a "security review" (which they don't do. Companies like the one I work for do, but we're a private cyber security company - that's what we do. We don't do criminal investigations, but we're some times hired by the FBI to help them conduct them).

If it was just a review, you wouldn't need to call in your retainer.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
45. With all due respect ...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

Only a fool would appear before the FBI (to talk about anything) without counsel in tow.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
37. Let's put the appropriate adjective on that "lawyer" noun . . . .and that would be "Criminal"
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

Autumn

(48,977 posts)
112. It doesn't make me sad anymore. That's what Clinton does, stupid shit that needs to be
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

investigated for wrong doing. I spent 12 years defending them, 8 while Bill was in office and her when she was a senator and her last failed run when i supported her. I'm not about to waste another second of my life defending her from anything.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
119. The crazy thing was it was all unnecessary ....
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:58 AM
Apr 2016

She claims they were $5m in debt (legal fees) but they got much more than that in book deals, plus between the 2 of them they were getting over $600k in annual federal pensions FOR LIFE (plus whatever Bill might get as a former governor).

With her name recognition, legit fund raising would be a breeze. Just keep your nose clean, live well (maybe crash at your rich friends vacation homes for a change of scenery...). She didn't have to go to the dark side.

But she did. When I stop to think about it, I guess she never left, despite there no longer being a need. They'd made it. But greed and vanity got the best of her. And I, like you, have washed my hands of the both of them. And it's on them, not me. I never sold out.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
131. No.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

I just wanted to point out that the FBI does not do "security reviews." The do criminal investigations.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
42. Has this ever happened in U.S. primary elections?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:02 PM
Apr 2016

How can anyone not see that this whole situation is a liability of Hillary is nominated?

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
48. From my understanding, everyone has done it including Colin Powell
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

This is clearly political and unfair. Clinton unfairly targeted by Republicans. I expect honesty from both sides. Also, her "classified" wasn't classified when she sent them. Just shows how fucked up government is. Studies have shown way too much is classified. Should be transparent. And yes I'd get a lawyer too.

2cannan

(344 posts)
59. No, snowy owl, Hillary is different because of the server.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

She is the only Sec of State to set up her own email server (in her basement). She used her own personal email account for both work and personal emails and had all of her emails were stored on that server at her house. That's why orgs that requested copies of her emails from the State Dept through FOIA requests were told that there weren't any emails because there weren't any on the State Dept. servers. I believe that Powell and Rice used both personal and State Dept email accounts (on the State Dept servers).

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
68. Ok. I didn't understand that. I read early accounts that the same.Not for HRC but am fair-thanks!
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
69. I'll take your word for it - can you provide link? Never mind. I found it!
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:57 PM
Apr 2016

Not an HRC supporter but I try to be fair. Thanks for putting me straight! Big difference.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
72. well, right here on DU...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016

...an expert at gathering information who is a published author has been working on a timeline of all of the information about the matter. It is long, and complicated, but if you read the contributions of DU members to the thread, you will know more about the matter than most people.

ww.democraticunderground.com/1280158157

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
122. We're just about finished up
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 01:49 AM
Apr 2016

I just sent him the last batch of illustrative work a couple of hours ago. No doubt he'll pick it apart and repairs will be made, but he's almost ready to go public with it.

It's a stunning piece of work and will be the go-to source of information for people who want to understand the full picture. I just don't see how she will be able to retain her security clearance after all of the information is out.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
60. Grassley sent him a letter asking if Guccifer hacked HRC's emails
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2016-04-12%20CEG%20to%20HRC%20%28Guccifer%20Victim%20Notification%29.pdf


The letter was sent to HRC, c/o David Kendall, Clinton's lawyer.

It specifically asks:
"1. Have you received any notice from the Department of Justice or other government
agency relating to Mr. Lazar?
2. Has the Department of Justice or any other government agency informed you that you
were a victim of hacking, other unlawful computer access, or any other crime, whether
attempted or realized, by Mr. Lazar or any other person or entity?"

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,929 posts)
62. He has been the Clinton's lawyer forever.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:26 PM
Apr 2016

If you watched the Benghazi hearings he was sitting in the audience the entire time.

Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #70)

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
100. Okay, I don't even know how to respond to you.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

On the one hand, you have serious professional expertise that I respect (plus as a fellow long time poster, I know some of your previous good deeds for members of this board for which I personally still admire you for performing).

On the other hand, I am not an attorney, and in my limited experience, people who keep hiring criminal attorneys are not always the most upstanding citizens and their misdeeds are rarely "first offense" situations.

Obviously innocent people employ criminal defense attorneys, but realistically, so do criminals.

You can see my dilemma. So I guess I will just stick with "it's odd in my social circle - I have no personal acquaintance with anyone who has had a long term client relationship with a criminal attorney who didn't end up spending some time in jail."

Is that fair?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
106. You don't know who in your social circle has a criminal lawyer on retainer.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:20 PM
Apr 2016

Bluntly.....you simply don't know. It's not something people trumpet.....But do you really think the Sanders family does not have criminal representation at this point? Given the calls for a federal investigation into the SAR filed against Burlington College, do you really think the Sanders campaign has not consulted a criminal attorney?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
110. Again, fair point about my social circle.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:37 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know. And I also don't know about the Sanders but I haven't investigated that like I've read up on the email server issues.

But I do know Hillary has had one on multiple occasions and the fact he got Petraeus off means he is good.

So let me change my answer to you: in my circles, to my knowledge, hiring a criminal attorney is not the sign of someone who is innocent of criminal wrongdoing. At a certain level, whether she is ever found "guilty or not" has little to do with it going forward - the public perception that she NEEDS A CRIMINAL ATTORNEY comes with a certain amount of damage to a reputation. It increases her "untrustworthy" factor, and leaves her the but of comedy jokes that are inappropriate when running for the position of "leader of the free world".

Is it fair? No, but life isn't always fair, and some of her Epic Bad Decisions brought her to this pass. Will she drop out? I doubt it. She is a fighter, and if she truly believes she is "not guilty" she may ignore everything else until the bitter end. This self deception on her part - my husband wouldn't cheat/those women are lying/there is a vast right wing conspiracy - isn't even new; the martyrdom of her position may even enhance her prestige for some people.

I personally hope she doesn't end up in jail. That would be a terrible "first" for a former First Lady.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
116. As an avid Bernie backer and former prosecutor and crim defense attorney,
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

I have to say the long-time relationship with the named criminal defense attorney is understandable given the various witch hunts the Clintons have endured over the last quarter century.

Having said that, if their was cut-and-paste activity of classified documents by SOS staff at the direction of HRC for transfer and use on her private server, I would suspect that might satisfy the gravamen for illegal activity by her.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
137. Funny, in my circles, having lawyers on retainer is what we do. After all,who
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:32 AM
Apr 2016

else would manage things?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
142. Criminal lawyers are not the norm for mine.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:47 AM
Apr 2016

Two relatives and a few out-laws (as opposed to in-laws) have temporarily engaged their services, but they all ended up doing (deserved) jail time. As I said, not my social friend circle.

Now civil stuff - real estate, probate and money stuff - yes.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
66. They would probably save money if they just put him on permanent retainer.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:50 PM
Apr 2016

Especially if she gets the nomination and wins. They will need him for her entire term.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
74. Another questions: was her private server meant to be more secure? or secret?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:07 PM
Apr 2016

I just found out that she did do it differently than predecessors. However, and I'm no clinton fan, what was really wrong about it. Esp. if all was found to be unclassified when she did it? and to what degree does the private server make a difference in this case? Is the charge that it was on a private server or that she sent classified information? Is this more gotcha or is there really something here?

I know we'll know eventually. But I want to know what really prompted all this right-wing ire and if it was merited?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
92. By law all messaging must be journaled
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:55 PM
Apr 2016

for certain financial institutions and the government. Journaling means that there is a separate copy that is stored independently of backups, etc. for the purpose of retrieving them.

This is the LAW. All of this came out because it was discovered that the server that was operated was not keeping a journaled repository, thus they whacked the database and overwrote the backup tapes and thousands of emails were lost (or who ever incompetent person was running her server thought - any body halfway competent can restore an email data base on disk). The point is, however, that they did not fulfill this requirement.

Financial institutions get in deep shit trouble over this, Government agencies get in deep shit trouble over this. We are talking about the Secretary of State. She stated "Oh, well I assumed if I sent things to government agencies they were archived, and personal things didn't require that", which is not the intention of the law.

The intention of the law is that all communication via email used for official purposes must be archived. Not SOME, not "the ones I think are personal", not "I don't have to do that because I don't like fooling around with 2 email accounts, and not because "I was jealous because Obama got a special blackberry and they wouldn't give me one (and for a damn good reason, too) so I broke the law f 'em".

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
147. IIRC there were hearings/negotiations before she was confirmed, b/c there was concern
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

regarding how she would keep Clinton Foundation business and Dept of State separate. There had to be a wall of separation that could be confirmed.

as soon those hearing were over she immediately went and did this to circumvent those rules/concerns.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
96. To add
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016

Her server sat out there open on the internet for a few MONTHS while she was Secretary of State receiving information of the highest clearance levels UNENCRYPTED. Man in the middle would be a piece of cake for an amateur.

Basically, if somebody happened to wander on in there and copied the email database, they wouldn't have to do anything but open it up with the appropriate app and see every single thing sent and received. For EVERY ACCOUNT on that server. There most certainly was more than one.

Irresponsible with state secrets doesn't even cover it, because it was not just on that server, but people at two different other companies making cloud backups that had no security clearance at all that potentially had access to the contents of that server. Yes, somebody working as a low level admin had every opportunity in the world to copy it and sell secrets to the highest bidder. It would be a miracle if that didn't happen.

In fact, it is almost a certainty that someone with inappropriate clearance had access to the email database. What they did or did not do with it is a mystery because proper protocols were failed at every level.

polichick

(37,626 posts)
77. Maybe he can help when it comes to the Clinton Foundation arms deal too...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

That case is more disturbing than the emails imo.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
88. Rick Perry was arrested and this place LOVED IT. But the FBI doing their job is "right wing"? LOL!
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
95. And when members of the Bush admin used private email, everyone on DU hated it n/t
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
141. Did they use their own private server in their basement? Did they take million$ from foreign govts
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016

for a "charitable" foundation or for themselves, when a spouse gave a speech, & then grant those countries favors from their govt dept?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
90. I am simply going to believe...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:47 PM
Apr 2016

The people acting like they don't see the enormous flaw in this article are just trying to score some cheap points. The other options are even worse.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
94. Attorney Kendall possessed a thumb drive of her potentially classified emails in his office.....
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

Doubtful that "attorney-client privilege" would hold water, now that she's called him back into service for her next round of criminal inquiries. Doesn't sound like a "security review" to me either, Fawke Em.


Longtime Clinton Attorney Now Representing Hillary in FBI’s Criminal Probe, April 15, 2016

But unequivocally, what thrust him most into the (unwanted?) spotlight was his defense of the Clintons over the last two decades. According to a 1998 Washington Post article that detailed the key players in President Clinton’s Lewinsky scandal, Kendall certainly has his critics:

Second-guessing Kendall has become a bloodsport in Washington where some of his fellow lawyers fault Kendall for not having Clinton come forward earlier with the truth about Lewinsky, for letting him testify … They also blame Kendall for pursuing a legalistic argument — that receiving oral sex did not constitute a sexual relationship — that has proved widely unpalatable.



Last year, he ran into media scrutiny again when he kept a thumb drive that contained potentially classified emails from Clinton’s private server at his law firm.

“In most situations like this you’d expect that a warrant would be issued and the Marshals and the feds, FBI, somebody would go and get the thumb rive and take it somewhere where it would be considered safe by the government,” national security attorney Edward MacMahnon Jr. told Fox News back in August.



Yes, you'd think.


Fast forward to 2016:

I am 100 percent confident (that the probe will not become criminal),” the former secretary of State said in a Democratic presidential debate last week. “This is a security review requested and carried out that will be resolved.”


Univision debate moderator Jorge Ramos confronted Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Wednesday over her email scandal, directly asking her if she would drop out of the race for her party's nomination if she were indicted.

"If you get indicted, will you drop out?" he asked her.

The former secretary of state refused to answer the question.

"Oh, for goodness," she started when Ramos pressed her on the issue after she initially danced around it. "It's not going to happen. I'm not even answering that question."




via Business Insider


Comey has repeatedly attempted to shoot down concerns about political motivation in his bureau’s probe and fears that investigators will undermine evidence against Clinton or another Obama administration official.

“I hope the American people know the FBI well enough and the nature and character of this organization,” Comey told the Senate panel on Wednesday.

“As I’ve said many times, we don’t give a rip about politics,” he added. “We care about finding out what is true and doing that in a competent, honest and independent way. I promise you that’s the way we conduct ourselves.”



FBI Director James Comey
via The Hill (Getty Images)


There will be questions Madame Secretary, that you will be answering.







 

still_one

(98,883 posts)
107. I would be bringing this up also after the disastrous Jewish Outreach appointment of Ms. Zimmerman,
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:25 PM
Apr 2016

and the misrepresentation that Bernie gave when he said he was meeting with the Pope:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017352798

I would want to change the topic also, and bring up the Benghazi issue, which Mr. Gowdy plans to waste more tax payer money on




berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
129. This is not about Benghazi.... this is a FBI criminal investigation on her emails and email server
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:34 AM
Apr 2016

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
130. Awwww, this is SO cute!
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:40 AM
Apr 2016

When your candidate-of-choice has no possibility of winning, you can always pretend that his opponent is about to be indicted.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
143. Be of good cheer - even if she is, she probably won't drop out.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:55 AM
Apr 2016

That would require a level of class she just doesn't seem to possess.

Remember when Bill was telling everyone his legal troubles were no big deal? Remember how that turned out?

Your candidate has been involved in a year long FBI investigation, told Congress that she deleted 30k personal emails that are now in the possession of the FBI and weren't all personal AND BONUS has been named in 39 (let me spell that number out for you - THIRTY-NINE) lawsuits about failing to comply with FOIA issues and it looks like she will be testifying under oath in two of them so far.

Yeah, she and her baggage are exactly what America needs at the moment.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
148. the Rs are dying to run against HRC so they can subpoena her at their leisure.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

it's really that simple.

lindysalsagal

(22,965 posts)
145. The GOP is pissed they couldn't tamper with it and plant incriminating evidence against her.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

I wouldn't trust them, either with a government server. Not that I especially like her. But I'll vote DEM regardless.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
154. Unfortunately, they didn't have to plant anything. Evidence is already there.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

Will you vote for an nominee under indictment?

lindysalsagal

(22,965 posts)
159. Evidence of what? Doing one of the most difficult jobs in the world?
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

I'm no hrc fan, but she's under attack from the GOP no matter what she does.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
160. The FBI wouldn't be investigating this unless there was real evidence of a possible crime.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

Don't lose site of that in your desire to defend Hillary.

lindysalsagal

(22,965 posts)
161. I asked and you had no answer. I'm not defending anything.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

Hrc has been attacked by the GOP forever. This is nothing new.. I would love to see Bernie pres. But I don't think she did anything wrong, either.

I would have had my own tamper-proof server, too. I don't trust the GOP at all. I think she had to have her own server.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
162. Among potential crimes is mishandling classified information.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016

There is no doubt that classified information was transmitted via a non authorized server. That is a crime if it is done intentionally.

Another is possible influence peddling involving the Clinton Foundation.

lindysalsagal

(22,965 posts)
163. Influence peddling is wrong but it has nothing to do with the server. If they really start enforcing
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

Influence peddling, they'll be taking themselves down with her. So, I'm not holding my breath on that, either.

You're doing the gop's work for them, or you're really a GOP troll.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
164. I'm just stating the facts. There are emails on the server in re Clinton Foundation issues.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

The only people doing the GOPs work for them are those who will blindly support Clinton even when there is evidence of a crime.

Nothing would kill the Democrats chances in the election more than the lead candidate under indictment.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
158. I do hope that we reconfirm the shaky notion that we are a nation of laws.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

It needs to happen.

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