10 reasons why Hillary will not be the next President.

[Dawgs]

1) Just under 6 out of 10 people don't like her, find her untrustworthy, or to be a liar.

2) Millennials don't think she's any better than the Republicans. They also aren't connected to the party.

3) Bernie supporters, Democrats or not, don't like Hillary. She may get most to vote for her against Trump, but most isn't good enough. She will need all of them.

4) Independents don't like her. They prefer Trump or Bernie.

5) Republicans desperately want to be in the WH again. They will hold their nose and vote for Trump or Cruz over Hillary. It's not even close.

6) She doesn't inspire or create enthusiasm ... compare to Bernie and Obama, or even Trump.

7) She doesn't offer any plan or message for the future. Obama had one of hope and change, and Bernie has one of economic equality.

8) She's part of the establishment. That's not a good place to be in 2016.

9) Much of her message is to be the status-quo President that will continue Obama's Presidency. Not very inspiring when all Republicans, almost all Independents, and quite a few Democrats want big change now.

10) She's not a very good candidate. She keeps things from the public (noise machine and transcripts) that make her look like she's hiding something. Her and Bill get unnecessarily angry when confronted by BLM, Greenpeace, etc. And, she changes so many positions on issues that it's hard for people to figure out what she really believes.

In saying all that, as a Bernie supporter, I hope I'm wrong. If Hillary can get the nomination it's important that she wins for the Supreme Court. Hopefully the women vote and running against Trump will be enough.

[BreakfastClub]

1. This is crap. nt

[Dawgs]

2. Which one(s)? n/t

[asuhornets]

4. All of them...n/t

[Dawgs]

6. Okay.

Can you show me which ones and why?

And, I'd prefer you answer like an adult this time.

[asuhornets]

7. Bernie's

supporters so insulting... She will be the next President.---Fact.

[pinebox]

8. Bookmarking this now

so I can come back and laugh at it when she's indicted

[pdsimdars]

14. ^^^^^^^^^^^ Amen! ^^^^^^^^^^^

[dbackjon]

40. Only if you agree to never come back when she is President

[pinebox]

41. She'll never be President. Maybe of Walmart. That's about it.

Majority of America can't stand her yet you and your ilk don't understand what that means apparently.
The writing is on the wall, if the Dem nominee is Hillary, we'll have a Republican President.

[pinebox]

46. Facts hurt don't they

Umadbro?

http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/190787/clinton-image-among-democrats-new-low.aspx

People can't stand her. A lie? Show us where the majority of America loves her please. Do it now. I challenge you to show me ANYTHING where the majority of America views Hillary as trustworthy. Put up or STFU.

[dbackjon]

47. If people have that view, then they are stupid morons who have bought into the right-wing smear

Campaigns.


it is really sad, and pathetic to see these lies promoted on DEMOCRATIC underground by so many alleged Democrats.

[pinebox]

71. No proof, eh?

Caught you with your pants down did I?
There's no lies here and if there was you'd have data to back up you're claim. You don't. You lost.
What I said is reality. Most of America can't stand Hillary. You can deny all you want but that doesn't change facts.

[revbones]

78. I'm sure many feel the exact same way about Hillary followers.

And about the Hillary camp using right-wing tactics against Bernie.

[Baobab]

59. When she was on Walmarts board she did not object to their union-busting tactics, low wages or discr

discrimination against women and/or nonwhite employees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html


Also: must see

[brush]

70. If the majority of Americans can't stand her why does she have way more votes . . .

than Sanders? And delegates?

Anybody can come up with a list of 10 — even against Sanders, starting with:

He won't be president because he mostly only wins in nearly all-white states with open primaries or vote-suppressing caucuses.

This list is BS just like the one agains Sanders would be.

[Yurovsky]

79. Well why did she have every imaginable advantage...

Money... Check

Name recognition ... Check

Broad base of experience .... Check

Underlings placed at key positions within the DNC ... Check

Endorsements ... Check

Gee, she had everything except maybe HONESTY/TRUSTWORTHINESS and good old fashioned like ability. And those factors alone were sufficient to make her have to work overtime and squeeze every corporate cash cow till it mooed just to put away a septuagenarian senator who spoke directly to the people and funded his campaign by followers giving small donations that came from the heart.

So whatever, take your victory lap if she wins the nomination. But hold off on ordering the new carpet & drapes for the Oval Office. Too many progressives are turned off by her corporate cash grabs and dismissiveness WRT progressive issues like $15 min wage and single payer. Her go-slow don't rock the boat BS sounds like it was written in a boardroom... Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure it was.

[Dawgs]

12. Might not be possible, but I said, "like an adult". n/t

[asuhornets]

17. Ok u win...

but Hillary wins in November...Bernie really ruined his own campaign, along with his supporters by going negative..

[Dawgs]

20. Not sure "ruined" is the word I'd use for someone that won 8 of last 9 states, but whatever.

I think Hillary will win the nomination and lose in the GE. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.

[pdsimdars]

21. There is one and only one candidate and HER campaign who has been lying, distorting and

swift boating.

Hillary supporters don't seem to be able to distinguish between issues and personal attacks. If Bernie says Hillary supported every war that comes along or every trade bill, Hillary supporters think that is a personal attack.
NO, a personal attack is when Hillary lies about Bernie's health care plan, or his vote on the auto bailout or civil rights record. Those are lies.
And she'll either be indicted or drop out before the general election.

[daleanime]

28. So if you say it often enough it will come true?

If you want to convince people you have to give reasons.

[asuhornets]

67. I would not

waste my time trying to convince a Bernie supporter to vote for Hillary. My mind can't be changed.

[daleanime]

72. I never consider it a "waste of my time".....

to understand, now those who have opinions but no reasons for them, yeah, that's kind of is a waste. But have a lovely evening anyway.

[BeanMusical]

80. "My mind can't be changed."

Well, obviously it hasn't changed in a very long time. Unless you're in your teens, that is.

[brush]

69. Anybody can come up with a list of 10, even against Sanders

This is BS.

[Dawgs]

87. No you can't. n/t

[brush]

88. Seriously? How about starting with the Nicaragua/Sandinista connection

You probably don't even know about that but the repugs do.

[Dawgs]

89. Voters are pissed because of income inequality and politicians being failures.

They hate the establishment and the status-quo.

Nicaragua, Benghazi, Email servers, etc. are the last things that anyone gives a shit about.

Now, do you have 9 others?

[brush]

90. Like I said, anyone can come uo with a list. Not hard at all.

If you want nine more start with Sanders and Fidel.

[Dawgs]

92. Nine things that anyone would actually care about.

Take as long as you want.

[brush]

93. Newsflash! Nobody around here works for you. But here's a link where you'll find more than you want

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016152443

[Betty Karlson]

86. No. It's the outline of the SH*Tstorm you guys are trying to foist on the Democratic Party. eom

[Donald Ian Rankin]

3. OK, let's shred this bullshit.

1) Just under 6 out of 10 people don't like her, find her untrustworthy, or to be a liar.
Note the "or" there. Put three numbers together and you get a bigger number. But what matters, of course, is whether they'd prefer her being president to a Republican.

2) Millennials don't think she's any better than the Republicans. They also aren't connected to the party.
Most votes are not cast by millenials.

3) Bernie supporters, Democrats or not, don't like Hillary. She may get most to vote for her against Trump, but most isn't good enough. She will need all of them.
No, she won't. That's obviously nonsense.

4) Independents don't like her. They prefer Trump or Bernie.
Sort of. Sanders is currently outdoing Clinton among the subset of independents who are far enough left to want to vote in the Democratic primary. I have no idea where you get the idea that independents prefer Trump from; I'm not totally certain it's 100% bullshit but I'm very dubious of it. But Democrats, of course, massively prefer her to either.

5) Republicans desperately want to be in the WH again. They will hold their nose and vote for Trump or Cruz over Hillary. It's not even close.
Some will, quite a lot won't, and independents even more so.

6) She doesn't inspire or create enthusiasm ... compare to Bernie and Obama, or even Trump.
This is, of course, a flat out lie. But then, it wouldn't be a pro-Sanders post without some of those in it.

7) She doesn't offer any plan or message for the future. Obama had one of hope and change, and Bernie has one of economic equality.
And another flat-out lie. Yep, it's a Sanders post all right.

8) She's part of the establishment. That's not a good place to be in 2016.
Yes, true.

9) Much of her message is to be the status-quo President that will continue Obama's Presidency. Not very inspiring when all Republicans, almost all Independents, and quite a few Democrats want big change now.
Yes, true again. Clinton is certainly failing to inspire Republicans.

10) She's not a very good candidate. She keeps things from the public (noise machine and transcripts) that make her look like she's hiding something. Her and Bill get unnecessarily angry when confronted by BLM, Greenpeace, etc. And, she changes so many positions on issues that it's hard for people to figure out what she really believes.
Nonsense.



All of which is beside the point. Cherry-picked anecdata doesn't prove anything, your whole approach is bullshit.

[Dawgs]

9. My turn.

1) Your answer makes no sense. 6 out of 10 don't like her for various reasons. It doesn't matter if they it's 'or' or 'and', it's still 6 out of 10.



2) You're right, but elections are close in the GE, and if she can't do well with voter turnout among those under 35 then it's one of many other reasons why she will lose.

3) She will need all of them if she can't get independents or Millennials to vote for her.

4) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-supporters-wont-vote-hillary_us_56d7571ae4b0871f60edb9fe

5) You agree with me.

6) Does she create enthusiasm like Obama, Sanders, or Trump? What about Caucuses and the voter turnout?

7) What's her message and plan for the future? And, I'm talking about something that everyone knows and is clear, short, and to the point.

8) You agree with me again.

9) You agree, but you forgot to mention Independents and many Democrats.

10) Nonsense is really not a good argument. Explaining why might help your overall argument? Do you think the loud cheers at debates for her to release her transcripts don't mean anything? Do you think it's okay to get mad at a public event against BLM? Has she not changed her position on the Iraq war, TPP, gay marriage, etc.?

If you're going to prove something to be bullshit at least provide some detail.

[pdsimdars]

18. Wrong again bob.

That's your point 1.
The other are your own personal projections as well.

I'm not doing your homework but really, you're making this stuff up. Numbers are good. Democrats are only 30% of voters, and you dismiss Independent voters who are 42% and Bernie got 72% of them. You know, those people actually vote in the general election, which is the one we want to win.

You are one who made up your opinions because they are not based in reality.

[Katashi_itto]

19. What to provide something other than opinions?

[litlbilly]

51. bullshit or not, its all true, If you dont think so, youre brain is not working.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

63. lol

super - fail

[Tarc]

5. Oh my, it looks like some are regressing back to Stage Three

[JoePhilly]

10. +1

[Dawgs]

11. So, you don't disagree that she will lose.

If you think she will win, please show me where I'm wrong.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

15. I think she would be the favourite against Trump, and have a fighting chance against anyone else.

Not the odds I'd like, but better than Sanders, who I think would have a chance against Trump and be toast against anyone else, and much better than I'd have given any Democrat a year ago - the White House has changed hand every eight years since the War, as regular as clockwork, with the single exception of 1980-84.

[Dawgs]

16. Fascinating. n/t

[Tarc]

27. The only metric that matters is the GOP self-immolation

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When they aren't ripping each other to shreds, they are making vile, racist statements (e.g. Trump today comparing Romney's 2012 loss to Eric Garner's "I can't breathe!"

A wet blanket could beat the GOP candidate this year, as every non-white voter in America will be mobilized against those GOP Nazi thugs.

Edit - Ugh, that was a bad brain cramp

[Dawgs]

36. You mean "TRUMP today comparing Romney's 2012 loss to Eric Garner"?

[HooptieWagon]

60. Sanders made no such statement.

You Hillbots got to stop making shit up.

[Tarc]

61. Sorry, Sanders on the brain. Meant Trump

Fixed, thanks.

[Sky Masterson]

13. I think "Never" is a bit premature.

You are probably right though.
I think that people need to have an honest conversation with themselves about her and her chances.
You can not deny what is stated above when everything up there is true.
To me.
Hillary Clinton is like the Band Nickleback.
Those who love Nickleback, just do.
Those who don't like Nickleback,just don't.
Bernie is like the Foo Fighters. He gets huge Crowds and people love them(And they rock).
By selecting Hillary Clinton you are asking people who don't like Nickleback to get off of their butts and go to the Music store and buy Nickleback when that is the last thing those with any musical taste want to purchase.
Forcing people to buy the Nickleback CD with the threat of being stuck with Ted Nugent is not inspirational in the least(Also "Free for all" sucks).
Give them the Foo Fighters and they will want to leave the couch.

[VulgarPoet]

22. I love this analogy. nt

[senz]

75. Adorable

and true.

[BeanMusical]

81. +1 Very well said.

[Bill USA]

23. thank you RNC. you "forgot" the link to DailyCaller, founded by conservative reporter Tucker

...Carlson and former Dick Cheney aide Neil Patel.


Here's the link to the Daily Caller article for the GOP Bullshit intended to help get poor old Bernie Sanders in their sites.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/07/clinton-campaign-uses-noise-machine-to-block-reporters-from-hearing-fundraiser-speech/

Here's what SourcWatch has to say about Daily Caller:

see http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/The_Daily_Caller

The Daily Caller

A conservative/Republican news spin organization founded by conservative reporter Tucker Carlson and former Dick Cheney aide Neil Patel.[1] The Daily Caller's announced objective is to be a "content" response tool to articles on The Huffington Post.

Foundation
Tucker announced a loose idea for it at the 2009 CPAC. He and Patel than officially announced it at a Heritage Foundation gathering in May 2009, after which $3 million in capital from unnamed outside sources was invested.

Employees

It's unclear besides an editorial and accounting staff whether they actually employ any journalists other than Carlson, who's career has been as a talking head as opposed to a reporter. According to Carlson, they intend to use and adapt content from bloggers, possibly under freelance contracts. Per a 2010 article in The Washington Independent, it's reporters are from the conservative Washington Times (Jon Ward) and Government Executive (Gautham Nagesh) along with a humor opinion writer Jim Treacher (real name Sean Medlock).

Writers

Those who have written for it include Andrew Breitbart and Newt Gingrich.

OP WITHOUT link is another example of:

Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders: "We'll win every state if Bernie's their nominee"

Or perhaps this applies:

Sanders Supporters Must Stop Repeating GOP Lies About Hillary Clinton - a Sanders supporter's appeal

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have shown a lot of professionalism towards each other as they compete for the Democratic nomination. In comparison to the shitshow that is the GOP race, Clinton and Sanders look like responsible adults discussing issues imperative to the future of Democrats and liberal policies.

~~
~~

[font size="+1"]I belong to a number of pro-Bernie Sanders groups on social media, and the sheer volume of anti-Hillary posts by individuals from conspiracy or conservative websites is staggering. These people link Breitbart, Infowars, March Against Monsanto, The Daily Caller and other websites to make their claim that Hillary Clinton is the worst person ever – or that President Obama was a gay prostitute in his younger days.[/font]

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As I have said before I find it very hard to tell the difference between a (alleged) Sanders fan's post and that of a raging Right Winger's.

[JoePhilly]

24. Well said!!

[Dawgs]

25. Maybe the problem isn't Bernie supporters but the candidate your supporting.

Ever thought of that?

[dbackjon]

42. So you are good with Republican lies and smears

God help you if Sanders wins the nomination.

You will be reading about Sanders personally aborting kids against the mothers will, selling drugs, a personal Sanders Murder list and a million other lies.

[Dawgs]

49. Nice try but never said that.

Bye!

[Bill USA]

94. one of th first rules of disinformation is misrepresent your opponents message. He wasn't saying you

said those things - His subject was: "So you are good with Republican lies and smears"

I pointed out that the text in the OP was lifted - without attribution - from a Right wing site. His listing of HYPOTHETICAL, outrageous lies...

You will be reading about Sanders personally aborting kids against the mothers will, selling drugs, a personal Sanders Murder list and a million other lies.

.... was a tongue and cheek send-up of the ridiculous lies these Right Winger sites put out.


His point was well made when he asked if you find nothing wrong with "Republican lies and smears".

.... he is also saying that is the only basis for your comment: "Maybe the problem isn't Bernie supporters but the candidate your supporting."

... HE didn't say you "saidit" - he's saying "You believe - and repeat/pass along - that crap?"


.. this comment made in the interest of shooting down disinformation techniques - specifically, in this case - that of misrepresenting what your opponent said and dodging responsibility for the disinformation by pretending to not understand what he said. "I'm not being duplicitous. I'm just stupid. -- (so don't blame me for deceitful tactics)"

[HooptieWagon]

62. Sounds like Brock's strategy.

I'm sure that after dealing with Hillary and her slimeballs, the republicans will be a piece of cake.

[Bill USA]

95. I have a problem with BS fans passing along dubious bullshit from Repugnant sources...

WITHOUT FESSING UP TO IT.

The fact is, Republicans, as your OP shows, don't want to face Hillary in the GE and are trying to help Bernie out so they can shred him - with their well established skills of demonization and propaganda - in the General Election.

The 'arguments' presented by the Repugnants at the Daily Caller are specious and easily debunked. I really don't want to take the time to debunk them here, but I have debunked some of them in previous posts and will no doubt have to debunk them again in future posts.

[snowy owl]

26. Sally Field on Tavis today lobbying for HRC; Donna Edwards last night on BBC Hardtalk also

Don't care about Fields. But Edwards? The interviewer kept asking her why she supports HRC when all of her positions align with Sanders. She could not answer except to say that she once worked for HRC and she supported her. He kept asking and making the point and she kept repeating the same thing. LOYALTY . . . LOYALTY . . . LOYALTY instead of issues. I'm not sure what I think of Edwards anymore. I sent her money several years ago. She can't separate herself from her friends even when it means compromising her values and principles. I have a problem with that.

As for who the right wants to run against? I don't think we know. I saw an MSMBC reporter ask a republican who she will vote for and I can't remember which republican it was but she did say that in the GE, she was voting Bernie. You can't believe a lot of the junk out there. The little guy - we 99% - are tired of the BS and want an honest, moral, ethical president who will give us back our money, jobs and democracy.

[Actor]

29. You hope you are wrong?

Shaking my head at a whole lot of very confused people or maybe they are just new to this politics thing.

If she loses this will be one of the reasons why, this and election fraud.

[Dawgs]

30. Yes. I hope I am wrong about Hillary losing in the GE?

Where am I wrong, if you think she will win.

[Actor]

31. You post a long screed on a very well known message board about how Hillary will not win

i.e. promoting propaganda that she wont win, then you say you hope you are wrong.

Either you are disingenuous or you dont understand how propaganda works, whether you are knowingly spreading it or not.

[Dawgs]

33. It's an opinion on a "discussion" board where no one will change their mind by what I say.

I've been her since 2004 and would probably know better than you.

Although, I suspect that you've been here much longer in some other form.

[CrowCityDem]

32. Why Bernie won't be: 1) He can't win the primary.

[Dawgs]

34. Exactly. That's why it will be President Trump or Cruz. n/t

[dbackjon]

43. With friends like you, we are doomed.

Let me guess, you voted for Nader in 2000?

[Dawgs]

66. Nope. Gore.

And I already said that I hope that Hillary wins. You guys are too much.

[NightWatcher]

35. But it's her turn god dammit!

You forgot to add how she resembles the queen from Snow White, yelling at the mirror when she's been told she's not the fairest in all the land.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Yet she is a 68% favorite in the Predictions Markets

http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner#Link3

Go figure.

[Gothmog]

38. And yet she has a 92% chance of being the nominee

See http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination If anyone really believes the OP, then open an irish brokerage account and put your money where you mouth is. You will get great odds

[MFM008]

39. so now when our guy doesnt win

we will cheer the loss of the democrat party?
First of all, Who says she lies? R E P U B L I C A N S.
Should we listen to republicans about anything?
NO
Have they ever found one thing she has ACTUALLY done?
NO
any indictments
NO
any fines?
NO
Lots of gop investigations
YES

HRC will win in a landslide. Trump or Cruz will lose 30 states at least. We will pick up at least 3 southern states.
gop in chaos.

[pinebox]

44. Wrong.

She will lose. Do you think the GOP will run Cruz or Trump? I don't. Say hi to Paul Ryan.

[amborin]

50. Hillary will never be president

[johnp3907]

57. I'm anti-troll.

[johnp3907]

55. Troll.

Enough said.

[passiveporcupine]

58. enjoy your stay

[BeanMusical]

82. Well it was a short stay.

But I suspect that this troll is already back with another user name.

[passiveporcupine]

53. While I wish I could say that she will never be President

I can't say that honestly. I think she still stands a very good chance of winning.

I'm not giving up on Bernie at all, I'm just trying to be realistic. Until I see him at the convention and still in the game, I'm not expecting it to go one way or the other.

[floriduck]

64. The main reason is that any Repub will clean her clock. nm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. "Keep hope alive."

[Zira]

65. I would throw in massive world shame by having her as our president when she belongs in

prison for crimes against humanity. Those little Kissinger moments that continue to kill innocent people in the countries she helped destabilized.

[BeanMusical]

83. +1000

[cpwm17]

68. One reason why she will be the next President:

[MisterP]

73. 5 is especially important--not just the January 2017 impeachment,

but the GOP Congress DWS will hand to them and the ability to sit on their duffs for 4/8 years--remember, NOT passing laws is what they do rather than pass conservative bills

[akbacchus_BC]

74. You make a lot of sense, but it is Hillary's turn to be President!

The votes does not matter, it is her turn. Stand aside and let it happen (smirk!). Better her than an effing trump or cruz. Why is it always the lesser of two evils for the US?

Looks to me like leadership has gone to the toilet for both developing and developed countries. I am still asking myself how on earth Bill Omalley did not get any traction. Here you have a person who is old but committed to decency for the US and the world at large against a woman who is untrustworthy. Never liked Mrs. Clinton and never will but I do not vote in the US, it is only my opinion.

[cantbeserious]

76. IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General - Trump Can Easily Win

eom

[BeanMusical]

84. Yep, totally agree.

[Firebrand Gary]

77. Here's a great example of why DU HRC supporters loath DU BS supporters.

[BeanMusical]

85. Kick and R