2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders has released his tax returns, here you go. Now it's on Hillary to produce some transcripts.
Gosh, the man is honest. How refreshing!
Please alert the Hillary Clinton group, they've been waiting.
UPDATE: Full release here, Schedules, details:
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/Bernie%20Taxes%20Full.pdf
Original post below
Link: http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/a81ffa04b09bf63e85256e4100705e33/9900b87e8ae6af0c85257eb4004e9f66/$FILE/B_Sanders_2014.pdf
Now that this is out, we can expect to see some transcripts of speeches, right?
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Please tell me this is not true.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)so he lives in a residence, a hotel, where visiting clergy stay
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/10086876/Pope-Francis-shunned-official-papal-apartments-to-live-normal-life.html
artislife
(9,497 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)really on Mars.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)I'll ask Jane if she can shoot over a copy real quick.
BRB.
Stallion
(6,642 posts)nm
artislife
(9,497 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)of always doing. Or you want to do it, I should say.
Bernie Sanders is a politician running for office, as I have said numerous times today, I am sure there is nothing crazy on the schedule, but the matter wont rest as long as it is not released.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I always laugh when you declare yourself to be a Bernie supporter. I have yet to read one post that feels that you authentically are.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)supporters say shit like this you reinforce the view many have of many of his supporters.
It is like you just found politics yesterday, or something.
Old timers like myself who have supported Bernie for longer than most of you have known who he was, get a kick out of it.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I came hoping for Warren. I used to hear Bernie on Air America back in the day and liked what he said but didn't follow him as he seemed to be happy with being a senator.
I was not excited at all about this election and frankly thought we were all screwed from Climate change to income inequality. And if h wins the nom, we are screwed on everything and I will probably never vote for another democrat (or even a republican) again in my lifetime. Because voting for either will not turn this country around. At all.
I will vote on issues, it just is that I won't really believe anything can be done. But I am pretty much done to giving our side a pass because we aren't as monstrous as the other side. We are still monstrous.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)taxhistory.org
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)riversedge
(80,727 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)What a stupid argument on your part.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)You don't have any special status that makes your arguments off-limits from criticism.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)I'm so scared I may have to have another laugh.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)A lot of tax returns are not. Sorry.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You were saying? Schedule B interest and ordinary dividends, so it appears he does not have those.
Schedule C, profit or loss for business
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040sc.pdf
Both are PUBLIC EMPLOYEES
Schedule SE Self EMPLOYMENT
https://www.irs.gov/uac/About-Schedule-SE-Form-1040
They are both once again, PUBLIC EMPLOYEES
Form 1099,
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1099msc.pdf
Miselaneous income
Again, what part of public employees are you still purposely missing.
Go along now. His looks like most Americans who work either in the private or public sector and do not own a business.
BORING STUFF.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Look at each box where he has income and where he claims deductions. A schedule would have had to be sent to the IRS. It is not included. This is a half-ass job.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You really need to call them now, Here is the contact info.
https://www.irs.gov/uac/Contact-Your-Local-IRS-Office-1
And do tell me, where are those millions stashed?
Stallion
(6,642 posts)he has to fill out some of those Forms to have entries on p. 1-2
questionseverything
(11,802 posts)because i have heard the 50 grand plus number tossed around before for his itemized deductions
the clintons 2014 taxes show $5,159,242. in itemized deductions so nearly 100 times as much but i do want bernie to release the itemized page just to shut them up
also in clinton's taxes they show misc expenses nearly as high as bernie's itemized stuff in one llc, 34 grand sticks in my mind...so it is not like we have transparency with the clinton's returns , even tho they have been made public
there should be a schedule c as they do report around 4 grand in business income
bernie said he will release something today, so i am sure he will but i don't think this is it
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I understand why some folks think it is not that simple. But it is. Sometimes a cigar, or in this case a 1040 form, is exactly what it is. He is not a multi millionaire.
This is exactly what was posted today at their site, This is a release. Live with it or not.
Myself, I am truly never interested in the tax returns of politicians. But here is a free hint, EVEN MY CITY MAYOR makes more than the Sanders.
questionseverything
(11,802 posts)with taxable income at 140 grand, my plumber makes more than bernie
at least we know he pays his state tax...something that is not clear with the clintons...using the delaware addy for their llc s looks like a way to avoid paying state income taxes for them
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so I have no idea how it could have been out before.
It was one of the most entertainiing points of the debate. at least for me.
questionseverything
(11,802 posts)but to me last year means 2015
i will check it out later
the whole thing is much ado about nothing,i just want the hc bunch "quieted"
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)My read, they filed for an extension since I suspect they have been a tad busy. Even going to HR Block to get them done takes an hour or so. Theirs is that simple.
questionseverything
(11,802 posts)it does have the itemized list page and the schedule c stuff but the state taxes i saw earlier on the ops link are not there
so unless i was imagining things earlier..lol...these are 2 different pdfs
i am guessing what bernie meant last night is...tomorrow we will provide the "missing" pages from 2014, which has been one of the hc campaign complaints ...that 2014 wasn't complete
they did list over 8 grand to charity and not by giving it to themselves (as the clintons do)
i still can not get past the clinton's misc expense for one llc pass thru being over 34 grand...if i tried a tenth of that number as misc expense i would be audited so fast my head would spin
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Hell, I didn't do mine until Monday.
questionseverything
(11,802 posts)it makes 2014 complete, his itemized page they have been complaining about, the schedule c stuff from something jane does(about 4 grand worth)
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/Bernie%20Taxes%20Full.pdf
this is the correct link^^^^
keep in mind the clintons taxes show a $5,159,242. itemization so bernie's 50 something grand ain"t worth talking about
personally i do not care if he never releases anymore but i knew he wouldn't lie so i was trying to figure out what he meant
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I'm just glad tax season is officially over for most of us today.
Stallion
(6,642 posts)you are wrong-that was not released today PERIOD
TheCowsCameHome
(40,270 posts)Can you put it to music?
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)You need some lessons on tax filing.. if they don't have interest,outside income or are not self employed none of those forms are required...If al you make is straight wages like most of us lower 99ers it is a pretty small simple tax return without all the hoopla... better luck next time
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)schedules and related forms.
http://taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/Returns/07E13291870D475885257E93007B1015/$file/HR_Clinton_2014.pdf
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)have a foundation... and have a few investments squirreled away. They are the definition of the 1 percent, or at least the top 3percent. Sanders is not. He is truly a public servant. SHOCKING.
He told the truth. BORING
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am sure they want to know about it. Otherwise it is quite the lie. And while Sanders makes his life in the public eye, you might actually be crossing into slander. And trust me, that is difficult.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)The problem is he isnt telling US. WE DESERVE TO KNOW. Please don't try to BS me.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you have made a very serious, almost slanderous accusation. PUT UP OR FUCKING SHUT UP!
here
https://www.irs.gov/uac/Contact-Your-Local-IRS-Office-1
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Please try to follow.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)While at it, since you are on the case scooby doo, Interpol
http://www.interpol.int/Contact-INTERPOL
spyker29
(91 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you think there is wrong doing, report it. The IRS will be on the case
Yes it is their jurisdiction. And yes, law enforcement, IRS does have law enforcement capacity, calls this a TIP, CITIZEN INITIATED tip. You are the one with the goods.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is what a conscientious citizen does.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)The advantage of not taking six figure speaking fees from investment banks is your 1040 is WAY less complicated.
INdemo
(7,024 posts)including the $250,000 annual salary she took from the campaign.
dsc
(53,386 posts)by no less than Skinner himself.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)These are simpler than MINE!
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Oh dear. I can hear the brains exploding!

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JanetLovesObama
(548 posts)are his tax deductions for all of the charitable contributions he made.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)that the government should provide for health and education would be less likely to donate to charities. It should not be on personal donations to charity's that people in need depend. Society, through the government, should ensure that there are none in need.
Our goal should be no need for charities.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,842 posts)I understand the argument but if the government isn't meeting the needs of those in need it is incumbent of those with means to help them.
BeyondGeography
(41,077 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,842 posts)I understand that some believe it is the role of government, as I do, to help those in need, but if government isn't meeting its obligations to those in need I believe it is incumbent upon those with means to help them. What's the alternative?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Oh wait, never mind.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,842 posts)"Oh wait, never mind."
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)regardless of party.
Milestone
(37 posts)truly charitable and he didn't want the deduction. Ya ever think of that?
Unlike some candidates Bernie isn't motivated by the almighty dollar and I'd guess he doesn't mind sharing.
But you just keep spinning, it's fun to watch.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,270 posts)Major butthurt in progress.
Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow!
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Even as a preexisting condition!
Stallion
(6,642 posts)Schedule A (Itemized Deductions) and C (Profit or Loss from Business) missing-perhaps more
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)But you do notice that for all the social justice warrior talk, they give almost nothing to charity. that's what they are trying to hide. but his income is paltry compared to the Clintons.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)2. Speech transcripts are private and don't matter. Thats just a political game.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Way, way more than enough time to scrub them clean of anything more than mildly embarrassing......
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)The returns were "scrubbed"!
They've forgotten what honesty looks like!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I was responding to the closing sentence in both the title and the body of the post...about Hillary's transcripts.
Sorry...thought it was obvious.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Oh, I see what happened. I wasn't talking about Bernie.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)just don't ask then what bank...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They keep harping about it, it's quite illuminating.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)including the income from her speeches.
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Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Is she taking legal deductions or are you implying something else? Seriously, I'd like to know this. Her taxes are pretty transparent...Bernie's not so much
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Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Sanders itemizes and gets $56,377 as a deduction but does not include the Schedule A to show how that much income (25% of his income) is deductible.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Really?
Hell, Chelsea Clinton charged a Kansas University that much for a 10 minute address.
You guys kill me.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)aquamarina
(1,865 posts)I make less than half of what BS makes and my deductions were around $27k which included mortgage interest, real estate taxes, depreciation from a rental property and contributions to charity. I cannot believe how insane the discourse has become over this tax return. It is batshit.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Hillary and Obama released their.. God forbid if they didnt you'd be climbing all over their asses.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am sure you can at least provide me with an address.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)He has two, not three, homes.
A place in DC, the main home, what is wrong with that?
And, who cares?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Mr Gomez is engaging in some pretty brash well it starts with an A
You see all Jews are money grubbing despicable people who own everything, and also have bank accounts in Tel Aviv/ That is what he is playing with .
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)It's pretty transparent, these accusations from the left are really always widely carried by townhall, libertarianrepublic, and worse!
egalitegirl
(362 posts)This is my first post on this board, so I apologize in advance if I come across as rude. I hope you won't be offended.
I think we should all be a bit careful about claiming that Bernie Sanders evaded taxes or used loopholes to avoid paying taxes. If we take into account the fact that he probably itemized state taxes, property taxes and possibly mortgage payments, those alone would account for at least 20 or 25,000 dollars. Maybe more but I can only guess.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)egalitegirl
(362 posts)While you have a point that he has not released the details, I am curious about what people here estimate his deductions to be. An online site says his home value is 321,900.
http://www.realtor.com/news/trends/presidential-candidates-home-value-price/
There should be a way to estimate his taxes based on that value. That link also says the home value has fallen and was over 400,000 dollars in 2009. So his mortgage is probably based on the higher value.
State income taxes on 205,000 dollars should be in the range of 12 or 13,000 dollars. His property tax is probably around 10,000 dollars. His mortgage interest payments should also be factored in. What do you think is a reasonable estimate for this?
I think we should try to come up with a reasonable estimate and not focus on the entire 56K of deductions. Otherwise we would be harming the reputation of an honest man.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Welcome to the DU!
egalitegirl
(362 posts)Thank you and thanks to Gomez163 for responding as well. It makes me feel like I'm contributing something to this campaign too. I never imagined even once that if I posted on the web, someone would actually take me seriously and respond to me!
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)real estate taxes, casualty loss, charitable contributions, or medical expenses.
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djean111
(14,255 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)I alerted on that troll for a bigoted post saying it "would never vote for an Athiest Jew"
djean111
(14,255 posts)and outbreak of ugliness is intended. Does not make sense, will not get any Bernie supporters to support Hillary, so just really childish assholism.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Now that you got that out of your system .... goodbye forever ... As if I want THAT kind of crap ruining my day ...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)I alerted on them just a bit ago
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And now the sock is flagged too.
Jeez, even with the amnesty, these bigots can't keep themselves out of trouble
katsy
(4,246 posts)In all my years on DU as I have in this past month.
aquamarina
(1,865 posts)JanettLoves Obama.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)between the two Democratic candidates.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)He did it right. WHY CAN'T BERNIE???
http://taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/Returns/577B5BB5443758BB85257F96006C6A8F/$file/B_Obama_2015.pdf
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)We'll get that schedule A out soon for ya, then you can move the goalpost yet again and express outrage and suspicion about something else.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)There's at least another 5 pages.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Wow, just wow!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107102771#post19
19. He gets Obummercare.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)I think people who poop on my president deserve to be seen for their statements.
It made no sense for you to use that term in the context of that thread.
So, you know.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)SRY.
We need a winner, a fighter, someone we can trust.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/276078-clintons-dismal-approval-ratings-prompt-dem-fears
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Is he dodging releasing his 2015 Tax Return? Tax returns are released by candidates, the Clinton's tax returns have been public for years. Where doe it say the transcripts of speeches and meetings needs to be released? Sanders should release his conversations he has had with lobbyists in his years in Congress then he can demand others transcripts. I would like to see other industries which have influenced Sanders voting.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Or maybe Jane filed for an extension or is doing them today, right now.
It is, you know, April 15th today!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
still_one
(98,883 posts)inappropriate question
If Hillary released this, would they be so obliging? I don't think so
glinda
(14,807 posts)releases of information on a vastly larger monetary level from another candidate.
Really bizarre and petty arguing going on.
It seems like it always something. Going to Rome?"Bad. Wrong. Manipulative. etc..." Never a positive statement.
Same here with the taxes.
Will some people ever be good enough? Or are some people always going to be looked down upon?
The weight of statements here at DU has become untethered from reason. Disappointing.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)It seems impossible!
still_one
(98,883 posts)are?
glinda
(14,807 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,344 posts)This is an INCOMPLETE return.
As expected...
Zira
(1,054 posts)Anyway, welcome to ignore.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Take your strawman nonsense with you.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)So, there's that.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)always the fail with Sanders. Trying to keep up an image.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)That Bernie, hiding tons of dirty money, I'll bet!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)riversedge
(80,727 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)for making such a big deal about returns for someone making as little as the Sanders, considering he's a US Senator. They are so fucking pathetic.
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xloadiex
(628 posts)Who just reported 10 minutes ago on the CBS evening news that Bernie called for the transcripts yet as of this broadcast, Bernie has yet to release his taxes.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Milestone
(37 posts)Thanks to your post I've already added at least half a dozen more bafoons to my ever growing ignore list.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Are HRC and HRB connected? I mean, look at their questions. I'll let the media figure this one out. I'm sure not going to get into tax codes and returns. . . He released his, that's all.
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)The Clintons LIE.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)If I defend him as honest, he needs to show complete document. And yes, whre are the HRC transcripts? My guy needs to show all if I"m going to call her out. Even if she was asked first and we know she's totally dishonest.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....months ago.
Last night he said that his FULL tax return would be released today.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)I wonder what the next (p)outrage will be? Oh, I saw it further up- why doesn't Bernie give all his vast sums of money away if he's such a saint.
Why doesn't Hillary give $150 Mill of her speaking fees to charities to help the "superpredators" and "welfare queens" she and Bill threw overboard back in the day?
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Not kidding.
So....
vintx
(1,748 posts)It would be the end of her career.
840high
(17,196 posts)what's in those transcripts.
dubyadiprecession
(7,429 posts)Oh. he's got her where he wants her. Unfortunately, it's her just closing the door on him at the convention.
Owl
(3,767 posts)From last nights debate-
CLINTON: Well, you know, there are a lot of copy machines around.