Bernie BUSTED! Arrives on private jet with 10 family members, $3,000,000 cost, minimum!!!

[CentralCoaster]

Last edited Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:51 PM - Edit history (1)

How DARE he?

SHOCKING!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

1. cut it out

they were under fire

[Chasstev365]

10. oh snap!

[dchill]

31. Nice corkscrew landing maneuver, though.

Especially under fire!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. getting your whole family together at beautiful vatican city

Priceless

[elleng]

6. Yes it is!

32 years ago TODAY I/we went to Italy (Rome first) for our honeymoon. Later trips, we used 'mileage,' so 'free,' really PRICELESS!

[FlatBaroque]

13. Happy anniversary! :)

[elleng]

14. Thanks, Flat!

[senz]

53. Sounds like an absolutely beautiful honeymoon, ellen!

Happy Anniversary!

[Fawke Em]

59. Ellen is the only person on this board I know is completely lovely.

[Buzz Clik]

3. +1%

[QC]

5. It's interesting how many Hillary talking points are also GOP talking points. n/t

[artislife]

12. Well....the reason that is true is because....

fill in the blank.

[QC]

16. Yes, but some truths cannot be said.

Even when we all know them.

[artislife]

18. Nodding my head. nt

[senz]

54. ...

Good one, artislife. Very, very good.

[islandmkl]

8. GODDAM!! for that amount of moolah he and Jane could have sat at the head table

with the Clintons tonight...

would have been a nice gesture of party unity...

[Silver_Witch]

34. And what does Hillary Spend

It is okay for Hillary to travel, but no Bernie - oh come on - this is ridiculous.

Like the Republicans dissing President Obama for taking a vacation while President Bush spent more time in Texas than in the White House.

[glinda]

55. She has private fundraising trips scheduled in London and Bejing.

[pat_k]

9. You meant this sarcastically, right?

[CentralCoaster]

15. Oh, yes, indeed...

I should probably go add that thingy.

[pat_k]

19. Sorry, I'm just being a little dense.

No need to add thingy.

[Gothmog]

11. Sanders knows that he will not be the nominee

Use some of the small dollar contributions for a vacation for the family before New York results come in

[pnwmom]

17. What I don't get is how he can say his trip isn't political and yet charge it off

as a campaign expense.

[pat_k]

20. Why would you think he did?

[pnwmom]

21. Here, on ABC. It was paid for by the campaign, but it wasn't political. Go figure.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brings-family-trip-vatican/story?id=38416805

Sanders’s senior strategist Tad Devine said even if the senator came up short in New York, he would not regret the senator’s decision to take the trip.

"He is not going to give a political speech," Devine said Thursday evening before CNN’s debate, "he is going to go and talk about an issue that he cares deeply about, which is a moral economy in the world, and dealing with the tremendous income and inequality not just in America but everywhere. Bernie is a tremendous admirer of Pope Francis...and he really appreciates the opportunity to speak about this on the world stage.”

SNIP

The trip was organized and paid for by Sanders’ campaign.

[pat_k]

22. Article doesn't report that the trip was charged to campaign.

I'm not saying it wasn't, but I've seen no such report. And the one you cite doesn't report how the trip was paid for.

[pnwmom]

23. Yes it does! Read the last sentence that I bolded. That was a direct quote from the article.nt

[pat_k]

25. See your original post. No edits. The one I responded to.

Thanks for the correct link, but pretending that's what was there when I answered is dishonest.

On edit: I don't appreciate being gaslighted.

[pnwmom]

36. You asked where I got the info and I told you, with a link and the answer bolded.

I didn't edit anything. You just failed to read it.

[pat_k]

60. Don't you realize posts have a viewable edit history?

You've got to be kidding me.

Here's your post. Edited three times.

This post has been edited 3 times. Show all

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:02 PM - Original version with no edits. (Hide)

Original version with no edits.

21. I saw it on TV but here's an article with pictures.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3542360/Bernie-Sanders-takes-private-flight-Rome-speak-Vatican-conference-burning-gallons-fuel-just-hours-attacking-Hillary-Clinton-climate-change.html

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:02 PM - Unexplained edit. (Show)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:04 PM - Unexplained edit. (Show)os

It's your post. Number 21. Anyone who wishes can verify by looking themselves.

The original post has a link to an article that does not report what you claimed it did. Then you edited to correct the link and have the temerity to claim you did not.

Unbelievable!

As I said, I don't appreciate being gaslighted.

[okasha]

24. Third paragraph from the end.

Exactly as quoted.

[pat_k]

26. See the original post. No edits. The one I responded to.

On edit added:

As I said, I wasn't claiming the campaign didn't. Just looking for a source. Which was NOT in the article provided in the original post. I don't appreciate being gaslighted.

Just check out the original post.

[okasha]

30. The source is the ABC article cited and linked to.

The post you responded to quotes the source article verbatim. Read the whole article.

[pat_k]

61. Posts have edit history. Go check it out. Get off the gaslighting train.

No, the post I responded had a DIFFERENT LINK.

Give me a break. Don't know why you are so interested in defending pnwmom's dishonesty. The link in the ORIGINAL post was to an article that DID NOT report what he claimed.

You can view the ORIGINAL post here:

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1750031


Or check out the original version of post 21 for yourself. Go to the post. Scroll to the bottom of the page for edit history.

[angrychair]

43. Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!

You figured it out....it like the Da Vinci Code unfolding before my eyes. Contact the FEC, IMMEDIATELY. Here is a link to the FEC with all the information you need:
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/complain.shtml
Or the FBI major crimes, 1-800-225-5324. Hurry! Quick! There may be reward!!

I mean its Italy, it could be a major award that comes in a box marked, fragile:

[pat_k]

62. Love it!

One of the best moments in wonderful movie!

[roguevalley]

32. or he could giive it to hillary for lawyers. remember how broke they were last time they acted the

ass?

[jfern]

27. It's about $100,000

http://www.sherpareport.com/aircraft/cost-charter-private-aircraft.html

[CentralCoaster]

33. I wonder if this Delta flight was a charter or a scheduled flight. Thats a 767-332, I think.

The 767-332 has a seating capacity of 181 to 375 passengers.

I can't believe that it's chartered, can you?

[pnwmom]

38. ABC news said it was chartered. Don't you believe them?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brings-family-trip-vatican/story?id=38416805

[oldandhappy]

28. And the clinton trips to CA

and her $15 mil collections?? Be fair. Report all trips.

[pnwmom]

40. But Weaver's saying the speech wasn't political -- and yet the campaign's paying for it.

See the disconnect?

[Renew Deal]

29. I heard Devine say it was paid for by the campaign.

[BainsBane]

65. I'm pretty sure that's illegal

If true. Someone posted the FEC statue the other day.

[mindwalker_i]

35. Is this OP a form of masturbation?

Honest question

[QC]

37. It's far less productive. n/t

[mindwalker_i]

41. Huh, that seems likely

[CentralCoaster]

46. You and I are both Sanders supporters.

Maybe you missed the joke, but our opponents are up in arms about an imagined high cost for this journey.

I'm just mocking their outrage. Pretty harmless.

But also informative-- That is not a private charter jet, that's a Boeing 767 and, I believe, a regular passenger flight.

[QC]

50. Ah, I see that now.

There's been so much weirdness here the last few days that it's hard to tell make believe craziness from the real deal.

[jimmy_crack_corn]

39. Travel time & time for working on the campain

Likely paid for because it was to campaign's advantage as it kept travel time at a minimum and allowed him to work on his campaign while in flight. and the passengers were only campaign related individuals and the grandchildren of the campaign related family members were there because of their parents were required to be out of the country and were not adding any real costs. Delta's plane charges are not based on number of passengers when you charter one of their planes.

[pnwmom]

42. Why were Bernie's four adult children "required" to travel with him?

[jimmy_crack_corn]

47. Campaign workers

I would believe they work for the campaign, but as I said . I am sure the chartered plane was to the campaign's advantage and cost is same whether there are 4 people on the plane or 20 people on the plane.

As an aside, when I traveled for my company my wife and children from time to time traveled with me, the only cost I had to cover was the delta's. and if I drove my miles were reimbursed to the extent it was less than or equal to my air fare and if the hotel room was the same cost for 1 person or 4 persons then i was reimbursed as well..

[pnwmom]

51. But Weaver is saying the speech wasn't political. So isn't there a disconnect there?

Go figure.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-brings-family-trip-vatican/story?id=38416805

Sanders’s senior strategist Tad Devine said even if the senator came up short in New York, he would not regret the senator’s decision to take the trip.

"He is not going to give a political speech," Devine said Thursday evening before CNN’s debate, "he is going to go and talk about an issue that he cares deeply about, which is a moral economy in the world, and dealing with the tremendous income and inequality not just in America but everywhere. Bernie is a tremendous admirer of Pope Francis...and he really appreciates the opportunity to speak about this on the world stage.”

SNIP

The trip was organized and paid for by Sanders’ campaign.

[jimmy_crack_corn]

52. His attendance was not political but....

It was more a Bucket List Item ... a once in a life time opportunity to be a part of something you believe in....so, no his attendance was not political but....

The campaign likely paid for because it was to campaign's advantage as it kept travel time at a minimum and allowed him to work on his campaign while in flight. and the passengers were only campaign related individuals and the grandchildren of the campaign related family members were there because of their parents were required to be out of the country and were not adding any real costs. Delta's plane charges are not based on number of passengers when you charter one of their planes.

[jfern]

56. And if there wasn't a debate the night before he could have flown commerical

Bernie was pushing for an April 10-13th debate, but Hillary got her way with the April 14th debate which meant no commerical flight was available that get take off after midnight and land before 3pm Vatican (only 9 hours).

[DisgustipatedinCA]

63. Doesn't matter. No one owes you an answer. We paid for it. You didn't. Butt out.

And guess how much you can do about it? That's right--not a fucking thing.

[CentralCoaster]

44. That's an enormous plane to use as a private charter. ~200 seater.

Do we know whether it was chartered or a regular flight?

I'd love to know more about the passengers, I haven't read about family members.

Except Jane, and I am glad she was able to go!

[jimmy_crack_corn]

48. Probally two reasons

Two likely reasons for size of plane

1. Type of plane that is suitable for transatlantic travel

2. The planes that were available for the travel window that were suitable for transatlantic travel

[CentralCoaster]

58. Thanks! I read up more about the family, so glad they all came along.

Bernie and Jane, four children, and four grandchildren!

Also, Secret Service, staff and aids, and members of the press.

Thanks!

[QC]

45. This thread needs a soundtrack!

[-none]

49. To the best of my knowledge, Bernie is still a Senator.

Bernie was invited, in his capacity as a Senator, to attend a conference in a foreign country.
He sat at the head table. He gave a short speech. That means this trip wasn't a self-serving lark.
There are government funds available for congress critters for travel outside the country on official business.
Bernie, as a Presidential candidate has Secret Service protection, so commercial travel is out of the question.
What is the real problem here? Other than Bernie being a Liberal who puts people first, over corporations?
Instead of guessing, do some research.

[BainsBane]

66. He was not invited in his capacity as a senator

The only potential problem is how he pays for it.

Senators don't get to fly wherever they feel like on public resources.

[-none]

67. You're wrong about everything else concerning this trip...

Why would anyone think you would be right about this?

I think you missed the Official Business part. Whatever, I think the trip was properly paid for.

[BainsBane]

64. I don't see 10 family members

Also he can take whoever he wants as long as he doesn't use campaign funds or Bill his senate account.

[imagine2015]

68. He didn't come under sniper fire like Hillary?