Michael Moore: A Multimillionaire YELLING At A Guy Who Shops At Men's Warehouse To Release His Tax

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1. But Hillary won't release her TRANSCRIPTS.....

Whats with that?

WHY?

[SFnomad]

47. No Presidential candidate has ever been required to release TRANSCRIPTS, ever

Why do you want to hold Secretary Clinton to a standard that no other Presidential candidate has ever been held to? Of course, if she were to comply, you people would just move the goalposts and demand something else.

[Fawke Em]

49. They're not "required" to release their tax records, either.

It just became common a few years ago.

With that in mind, maybe it's time we should make releasing the transcripts of speeches you give to groups who have destroyed the economy a "thing" too.

[SFnomad]

52. No, it did NOT become common "a few years ago" ... you people rewrite history too much

It's been happening for decades, starting with Romney's father of all people, back in the 60s. By the 70s, it was a common practice ... so it hasn't been "a few years".

[Loudestlib]

55. Who else gave paid speeches to bankers?

[SFnomad]

57. I'm sure she's not the first ... but that doesn't matter anyways .. again ..

you're holding her to a standard that NOBODY has EVER been held to. I'm glad she's not releasing them.

[Loudestlib]

68. No other candidate has amassed a fortune giving speeches to bankers.

If she wants to be president we should know what she's told them.

[SFnomad]

69. "we" don't need to know .. YOU want to know, and that's not good enough n/t

[Loudestlib]

81. If there is nothing in these speeches should would have no problem releasing them.

If there is something in these speeches she should release them to damage control. If she doesn't release them you can bet that the republicans will.

[SFnomad]

85. You take the right wing like talking points and just run with it, don't you?

If she were to release them, you people would ask for more, or if there wasn't anything there you'd say she's either lying (because she always does) or she's still hiding something (because she always does).

It's better that she just doesn't release them, it ends it there. You won't vote for her anyway and nothing will change your mind ... so why should she bother?

And how would the Republicans release them? You think they have a copy of them? If they did, BS should be able to leak them as well, unless you're trying to say that BS's team isn't as good as the Republicans.

[Loudestlib]

87. If anything, you've taken up the right wing stance.

Just like Romney ignored the calls to release his tax returns and his supporters defended his decision to withhold information. That decision haunted him for his entire run. Hillary is headed down the same path.

[SFnomad]

88. It's been standard practice for Presidential Candidates to release tax returns for the last 40 years

It has NEVER been standard practice to release transcripts of speeches. Christ you people are dense.

[Loudestlib]

89. We've never had a politician who made millions off of speeches try to be president either.

Good lord you're asinine.

[SFnomad]

90. Not good enough reason to release them n/t

[seabeyond]

2. Who pays about the same tax as Romney, and we were... outraged.

[questionseverything]

10. romney's taxables were in the millions tho

bernie had $140,994 in taxable income

clintons' taxable was $22,787,248. (after they gave 3 mill to the foundation)

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/Bernie%20Taxes%20Full.pdf

http://taxhistory.org/thp/presreturns.nsf/a81ffa04b09bf63e85256e4100705e33/07e13291870d475885257e93007b1015/$FILE/HR_Clinton_2014.pdf

so clintons had taxable income 161 times higher than bernie's

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do you want people making 140 grand paying the same rate as people making over 20 mill?

[seabeyond]

14. He still paid the much lower rate than the rest of us. Not contributing his share as he lectures we

ALL need to put in.

[questionseverything]

15. he paid the lawful rate for his taxable income of 140,994

26,961 or about 19% in federal taxes

how are you saying we all pay more?

[Fawke Em]

50. If they understood taxes, they wouldn't be voting for Hillary. eom

[Hiraeth]

46. bullshit

[myrna minx]

3. K&R

[SoLeftIAmRight]

4. clinton gives underwear to get tax deduction

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[Chasstev365]

5. The Clinton's Hipocracy is Stunning

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Bernie said he would release his tax return today and he did. Meanwhile, she parses, stalls, and stonewall about her Wall Street speeches. And she wonders why people don't think she is honest?

[vintx]

17. I just wonder why her supporters don't care that she's so dishonest.

Cult of personality, that's the only explanation I can see.

Or maybe they are just wealthy enough to side with the elites over the plebes. There's a word for those types of people...

[polichick]

21. Or they need to believe that their team leaders are on their side...

And right now HRC is team captain of the Dems.

[beam me up scottie]

6. Oh SNAP!

[Jitter65]

7. Stop hating OTHER millionaires..MM nt

[greiner3]

29. My words can not convey how much I think your post

💩 1,500+posts in <3 months. You are a fast typer

[angstlessk]

8. I liked the comment..he gets his suits professionally rumpled

I love Bernie..professionally rumpled or otherwise!

[appalachiablue]

20. Same. BRAVO MICHAEL MOORE! ~ And I Think Bernie Looks Great!

[NanceGreggs]

9. Presidential candidates ...

... have traditionally released their full and complete tax returns.

I didn't realize that if a candidate shops at Men's Warehouse, he is automatically exempt from doing so.

Live and learn, eh?

[99Forever]

22. He did, so what's your fucking problem Greggs?

Couldn't dig out a nasty, lying, vile, childish, fucking lowlife smear from them?

Now:


WHERE THE FUCK ARE HILLARY'S WALL STREET SPEECH TRANSCRIPTS?

[NanceGreggs]

24. Bernie didn't produce ...

... full and complete returns.

Hillary is under no obligation to produce speech transcripts - nor has there even been a precedent set for any candidate being expected to do so.

I know certain people are pinning their hopes on those transcripts being released, where they are sure Hillary said something that will destroy her campaign and clear the way for Bernie.

It's not going to happen. And it's the only prayer Bernie has left, because he isn't going to win the nomination on his own merits.

[Armstead]

25. If the transcripts were innocuous, she would have been better off just releasing them..

maybe embarrass the Sanders campaign in the process for trying to make something from nothing.

Instead it simply leads to the spreading of the meme that there is something there.

So if there is no "there" there, then she is not the smart crackerjack politician she and her supporters claim she is.

[NanceGreggs]

35. Given HRC's lead ...

... with votes and delegates, apparently this non-issue isn't gaining any traction.

You're going to have to accept that Bernie is losing, and all the whinging in the world about transcripts isn't going to change that.

[Armstead]

36. He might lose, but maybe not...This point is about her and what can be expected in the General

And whether she really is a good candidate to go up against them

[NanceGreggs]

42. What can be expected in the general ...

... is that the GOP is going to go after whoever the Dem candidate is with guns fully loaded.

I think it's obvious that if Bernie can't win the nomination, there's no reason to think he'd fare any better in the GE.

[boobooday]

54. She said she was telling them to "cut it out"

You would think she would want everyone to see that transcript. The "cut it out" one.

[99Forever]

33. Clinton is applying for a job in MY government...

... so if she wants it, she sure as fuck IS under an obligation to produce those transcripts.

She'll probably be under indictment before November anyway. Either way, HRH will NEVER be POTUS. Ever.

[NanceGreggs]

37. She's "under an obligation" ...

... because you said so?

I note that having been reminded that this transcript shit isn't going to change the fact that Bernie is losing, you switch to the fall-back position of hoping HRC will be indicted.

When a candidate's only hope is that his opponent meets with catastrophe, it's blatantly obvious that he has no hope of winning on his own merits.

[99Forever]

38. I'm not the only one saying it. So fucking right she IS under an obligation to do so.

All her fucking "catastrophies" are self-made from her countless fuckups. The fucking Queen of the Unforced Error.

His "merits" are just fine. Beyond dispute, actually.

Clinton's? Not so much. Cheating, lying, and smearing aren't merits amongst civilized people.

[NanceGreggs]

45. Bernie is losing.

That's the simple fact. Way more Dems want HRC as their nominee.

So apparently, Bernie's own "merits" have been found wanting by the people who count - the voters.

Maybe you should send Hill a letter explaining exactly how she's under an obligation to release the transcripts. I'm sure that once a guy on the internet points that out, she'll release them immediately.

[Hiraeth]

51. No, he isn't. Watch and learn, quietly would be preferable but, natter on if you insist

:sigh:

[NanceGreggs]

61. Bernie isn't losing?

HRC is millions of votes and hundreds of delegates ahead of him.

In the real world, that means Bernie is losing. I do understand, however, that math is quite different in BernieWorld.

[Hiraeth]

64. Bernie IS gaining and this horse race has a long way to go to the finish line.

Your horse started strong out of the gate, no doubt and she is spirited and high strung but, my horse has endurance and momentum.

Watch and learn. and Natter on ,,,

and on ,,,,

and on

[NanceGreggs]

71. All the supposed "momentum" in the world ...

... isn't going to overcome Hillary's lead.

The only "nattering" going on here is BS supporters insisting that that fact is somehow irrelevant.

Have you seen the polls for NY, PA, NJ, Maryland, etc.? I imagine that after Bernie loses those states, his supporters will be explaining that he only needs to win the remaining states by 80% - which they will insist is perfectly do-able.

And BTW, there is no such thing as "momentum" in state-by-state primaries. Bernie had "momentum" after his big win in New Hampshire, but it didn't help in the southern states that followed. Hillary had "momentum" after her sweep of the southern states, but that didn't help her in the western states that followed.

Each state has its own demographics, its own issues, and its own perspective. HRC supporters in New York are not going to switch to Bernie because of his "momentum" in Washington state, any more than BS supporters in Nebraska are going to switch to HRC because of her "momentum" in New York.

It's a state-by-state contest - and so far, more Dems are voting for HRC than Bernie. Pretending that "momentum" or "trends" are going to change minds on a scale massive enough to turn things around for Bernie is wishful thinking.

You're obviously a staunch BS supporter. Has your mind been changed by HRC's wins, the fact that she has millions more votes and hundreds more delegates than Bernie has? I'm assuming not. So what makes you think Hillary supporters will change their minds based on Bernie's alleged "momentum"?

[Hiraeth]

72. and there you go ... Nattering on ... good lord. you are so boring.

*yawn*

[NanceGreggs]

73. In other words ...

... you have no intelligent response.

[Hiraeth]

74. you just like to hear yourself natter on.

[NanceGreggs]

76. And you just like to pretend ...

... that you know what you're talking about.

[Hiraeth]

77. and you just like to pretend you can write.

Pablum. pure smaltzy Pablum.

[NanceGreggs]

78. No, I don't pretend I can write.

I DO write.

You, on the other hand, continue to pretend you know what you're talking about - and yet you can't respond to a post on a discussion board about the very topic you pretend to know so much about.

[Hiraeth]

79. oh, I am sure you make money with your writing. Unless I miss my guess this is headed for a

contested convention, both parties. Time will tell.

[NanceGreggs]

82. Ah, yes, the third prong of the wishful thinking triad.

(1) HRC's transcripts will be released, causing her campaign to implode - Bernie surges ahead as a result!!!

(2) HRC will be indicted - Bernie surges ahead as a result!!!

(3) A contested convention arises out of nowhere - and super-delegates hand the nomination to the guy who didn't win the votes and the delegates!!!

Dream on.

[Hiraeth]

83. watch and see. O Writer of pablum.

[NanceGreggs]

86. Given HRC's lead ...

... there's not much left to watch and see. It's been over for a while - Bernie just doesn't have the intelligence or the guts to admit it.

But I can understand why. The donations would dry up, and he couldn't afford trips to Rome without them.

[99Forever]

53. You been saying that same SHIT since Bernie announced.

Wasn't true then, isn't true now. But then, lying comes to Hillarians as naturally as swimming does to fish.

[NanceGreggs]

58. Link or slink.

How could I have pointed out that Bernie is losing before a single vote was cast? I'd like to see my posts "from the time Bernie announced" that say that.

Look, you can call Hillary a liar, a cheat, corrupt - whatever you want -- all day long. It doesn't change the fact that she'll be the nominee.

Common sense dictates that given the facts, the majority of Dem voters don't share your opinion.

[99Forever]

65. Blah fucking blah blah blah

SSDD

[Hiraeth]

84. damn. you got her to shut up. Well done.

[TeeYiYi]

56. "We all remember...

...Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June..."

re: "When a candidate's only hope is that his opponent meets with catastrophe, it's blatantly obvious that he has no hope of winning on his own merits"

TYY

[NanceGreggs]

62. Was Hillary running against Bobby Kennedy ...

... when he was assassinated?

[TeeYiYi]

66. FAIL

TYY

[NanceGreggs]

67. Yes, you DID fail.

The only way that statement would be relevant, in the context of a candidate wishing catastrophe on their opponent, would be if Hillary had said it while running against Bobby Kennedy - which she never did.

Bobby K was never HRC's opponent in a primary race.

[greiner3]

32. Nance

I was a fan of your OPs for years. I sincerely hope you return to intelligent posts soon

[MoonchildCA]

70. I used to like her too.

This race is really bringing out the worst in people...

[amborin]

11. that's great!

[awake]

12. Hillary losing even Michael Moore he had supported her in the past

Why are they going after Bernie with such BS attacks I am shocked had how bad she is at campaigning, what would she be able to do against a Rebublican if she can not even put away a "74 year old socialist Jew" Hillary has twisted her self into such knots trying to be as progressive as Bernie and all that she has managed to do is show people that she can not be believed. To think just a few months ago I was going to support her as well as Michael Moore but see lost me and many on this site.

[uponit7771]

13. sigh...FDR.. sigh

[Sheepshank]

16. Who's yelling?

I hear Bernie bros screeching all day about transcripts

[smiley]

80. Did you miss some threads the last couple of weeks?

Anyway.... Bernies tax forms will have zero impact on U.S. policy.

There's a very good chance Hillary's high priced speech had a lot of content that would be relevant to how she would shape her policy.

How many days since she said she was looking into it? Gotta be about 75 by now. I could be wrong. Sorry if that came across as screeching.

[felix_numinous]

19. K&R

[oberliner]

23. Michael Moore is himself a multi-millionaire

His net worth is said to be over $50 million.

[djean111]

28. Um, so? He was not yelling at Bernie to release his tax forms. n/t

[oberliner]

39. He seems to be using "multimillionaire" pejoratively

That was my sense from the tweet at least.

I don't see why a candidate cannot call for another candidate to release tax returns simply because she is wealthy, like Michael Moore.

[Bluenorthwest]

30. And yet he's not yelling at people with far less to show their financials, is he? No, he's not.

Note Moore did not say 'Hey, Hillary is a millionaire'. Nor did he say 'Millionaires suck'. Read the comment again and think it through.

[oberliner]

41. The point is that he is using "multimillionaire" as a reason

That is not a reason not to call for the release of the tax returns.

[dchill]

31. Maybe, but he's not yelling for Bernie's tax forms.

Do you not get that, or...?

[oberliner]

40. But why does being a multimillionaire matter in this case?

Any candidate should feel free to call for another's candidates tax returns to be released.

[dchill]

43. You brought it up.

I just wonder what anyone thought would be in them. And hey, where are the transcripts?

[oberliner]

59. Responding to Michael Moore's tweet

There does not seem to be much of interest in the tax returns. I honestly don't understand why Hillary even made an issue out of it.

The speech transcripts, I don't think she will ever release. Seems to be no upside for her in doing so.

[greiner3]

34. Uhhhh

[Kalidurga]

48. so

[oberliner]

60. So why does it matter that HRC is rich too?

Why can't multimillionaires call for tax returns to be released?

[Kalidurga]

63. I never said it mattered that she is rich

But we do have a right to examine who she is in bed with financially and decide if she might be compromised.

[oberliner]

91. In reference to MM's tweet

He seemed to be suggesting that her being rich means she can't call for another candidate to release tax returns.

[dchill]

26. GOTTA rec that!

[onecaliberal]

27. K&R

[senz]

44. K&R -- Perfect image for the sheer ugliness of it.

[Hiraeth]

75. You can sure bet Bill doesn't shop there.

[whistler162]

92. Must be really cold in h*!! 'cause

I finaly agree with Michael Moore again.