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Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:39 PM

 

"She's Baldly Lying": Dana Frank Responds to Hillary Clinton's Defense of Her Role in Honduras Coup

As Hillary Clinton seeks to defend her role in the 2009 Honduras coup, we speak with Dana Frank, an expert on human rights and U.S. policy in Honduras. "This is breathtaking that she’d say these things. I think we’re all kind of reeling that she would both defend the coup and defend her own role in supporting its stabilization in the aftermath," Frank says. "I want to make sure that the listeners understand how chilling it is that a leading presidential candidate in the United States would say this was not a coup. … She’s baldly lying when she says we never called it a coup."

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/13/shes_baldly_lying_dana_frank_responds


This interview is a must-read for anyone interested in the facts surrounding Hillary's involvement in this incident.

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Reply "She's Baldly Lying": Dana Frank Responds to Hillary Clinton's Defense of Her Role in Honduras Coup (Original post)
vintx Apr 2016 OP
farleftlib Apr 2016 #1
vintx Apr 2016 #4
CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #25
pdsimdars Apr 2016 #2
snot Apr 2016 #3
vintx Apr 2016 #5
Joob Apr 2016 #14
Vattel Apr 2016 #6
vintx Apr 2016 #7
Vattel Apr 2016 #8
AzDar Apr 2016 #9
Vattel Apr 2016 #10
vintx Apr 2016 #15
Vattel Apr 2016 #19
Broward Apr 2016 #20
Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #21
slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #11
Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #12
vintx Apr 2016 #26
Vattel Apr 2016 #13
jfern Apr 2016 #18
Skwmom Apr 2016 #16
jfern Apr 2016 #17
vintx Apr 2016 #23
Octafish Apr 2016 #22
vintx Apr 2016 #24

Response to vintx (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:44 PM

1. Good link

 

The US Embassy and State Dept called it an illegal coup. This is a cold-blooded person who lies with impunity because our fake press never covers these issues. This received no press coverage at the time and very little currently.

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Response to farleftlib (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:17 PM

4. I'm hardly surprised by anything anymore.

 

These people lie with impunity because $$$ is on the line and our fourth estate crumbled long ago. Or no, that implies a slow decay. It's more like it was systematically destroyed.

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Response to vintx (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:38 PM

25. Hillary Cannot Tell You What She Had For Breakfast Without "TWISTING" It!

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:48 PM

2. I saw the interview. . . .

 

That's why Amy is the best. EVERYONE else has pundits and talking heads and they blow hot air at each other, making up their opinions out of their predisposed philosophies. Amy gets sources at the center of the controversies and experts who KNOW things.

It is so revealing when you hear the truth, as opposed to trying to find which pundit's thought most match with yours.

That is how journalism should be done, present the FACTS and THEN we can form our opinions on what it true and not just make it up.

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 04:29 PM

3. +1,000!!!

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:18 PM

5. Now we are on our own and outlets like DN are all that serve the public interest

 

of keeping the public informed so that we can effectively self-govern.

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:58 AM

14. Yup

A real Democrat wouldn't accept this shit.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:00 PM

6. wow, this really needs a kick

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:02 PM

7. Things that used to matter simply don't, anymore, to most people here.

 

It's really sad.

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Response to vintx (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:05 PM

8. It is sad.

 

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:12 PM

9. Again. She's 'baldly lying', AGAIN. How *anyone* can support her is beyond me...

 

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Response to AzDar (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:14 PM

10. I can't even believe that she said this:

 

"The legislature, the national legislature in Honduras and the national judiciary actually followed the law in removing President Zelaya."

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Response to Vattel (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:28 AM

15. I can.

 

It's Hillary.

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Response to vintx (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:36 AM

19. If Bernie had said something that profoundly stupid and offensive,

 

the NY Daily News would have crucified him. Hillary says it and there is no response. Just shows how much that rag was determined to attack Bernie. They had to pretend that he had said dumb things (as the NY Times pointed out) and pretend that she didn't.

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Response to AzDar (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:37 AM

20. That's what some of her supporters admire most about her.

That at her warmongering.

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Response to AzDar (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:39 AM

21. What do you mean, "again"?

"Again" would imply a pause before a resumption. There has never been a pause.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:24 AM

11. knr nt

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:54 AM

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, vintx.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:58 AM

26. Thanks.

 

Wish more people gave a shit.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:51 AM

13. She did a piss poor job with Latin America as SOS.

 

And now she lies to cover that up.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:34 AM

18. Evo Morales just praised Bernie. Watch for any coups there.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:30 AM

16. This will have the young voters running to the polls to vote for Clinton....NOT

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:33 AM

17. And she supported deporting the child refugees to their deaths

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Response to jfern (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:52 AM

23. It's like a nightmare.

 

The thought that she could be our nominee. That people WANT her to be.

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Response to vintx (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:44 AM

22. Hillary Clinton's Response To Honduran Coup Was Scrubbed From Her Paperback Memoirs

Back in 2009:



Hillary Clinton’s Honduran Disgrace

By Matthew Rothschild
The Progressive, March 5, 2010

Hillary Clinton continues with her hawkish ways, making Obama’s foreign policy less distinguishable from Bush’s every day.

She just met with Honduran President Pepe Lobo, she’s notified Congress that the Obama administration is restoring aid to Honduras, and she’s urging Latin American nations to recognize the Lobo government in Tegucigalpa.

The democratic opposition in Honduras boycotted lobo’s election, since he’s allied with the forces that overthrew Manuel Zelaya last June.

But for the longest time, Hillary Clinton stubbornly refused to call the June takeover a “coup,” even though her boss, the president of the United States, immediately denounced it as such.

SNIP..

“Other countries of the region say that they want to wait a while,” she said on her Latin American trip. “I don’t know what they’re waiting for.”

CONTINUED...

http://progressive.org/wx030510.html



We've seen the story fleshed out a bit since then.



Hillary Clinton’s Response To Honduran Coup Was Scrubbed From Her Paperback Memoirs

Critics argue the secretary of state’s efforts paved the way for the violence still plaguing Honduras.


by Roque Planas
Huffington Post, 03/12/2016

Those who want to know what former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said about Honduras' 2009 coup in her autobiography shouldn't bother with the paperback version.

Clinton's role in the aftermath of Honduran President Manuel Zelaya's ouster has come under greater scrutiny since the March 3 assassination of environmental and indigenous rights activist Berta Cáceres. Critics argue that the U.S. push for new elections in the months after the coup helped legitimize the actions of the Honduran military, destabilize the country and pave the way for the extreme violence that followed. Killings of activists like Cáceres and others have become devastatingly common.

But the account Clinton offered of her response to the coup in her memoir Hard Choices was omitted from last year's paperback edition. In June 2009, Zelaya was overthrown by the Honduran military, ushered out of the presidential palace at gunpoint wearing only his pajamas. Months of protests against the de facto government led by Roberto Micheletti followed. While virtually all Latin American governments condemned the coup and called for Zelaya's restoration, Clinton and the U.S. pushed for elections to bring in a new government -- a position she detailed in the hardcover edition of Hard Choices, published in 2014.

Days after the coup, she wrote, she teamed up with Mexican Foreign Secretary Patricia Espinosa to come up with a response.

"We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot and give the Honduran people a chance to choose their own future," Clinton wrote.

But that paragraph -- indeed, the entire two-page discussion of the Honduran coup -- disappeared from the paperback edition. In the paperback version, the chapter on Latin America ends abruptly after a look at the debate over whether Cuba should be included in the Organization of American States.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-honduras-coup-memoirs_us_56e34161e4b0b25c91820a08



Putting the interests of the oligarchs in Honduras ahead of the 99-percent isn't proof of how she'll roll in the USA, just a good indicator.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:29 PM

24. +1

 

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