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vintx

(1,748 posts)
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:39 PM Apr 2016

"She's Baldly Lying": Dana Frank Responds to Hillary Clinton's Defense of Her Role in Honduras Coup

As Hillary Clinton seeks to defend her role in the 2009 Honduras coup, we speak with Dana Frank, an expert on human rights and U.S. policy in Honduras. "This is breathtaking that she’d say these things. I think we’re all kind of reeling that she would both defend the coup and defend her own role in supporting its stabilization in the aftermath," Frank says. "I want to make sure that the listeners understand how chilling it is that a leading presidential candidate in the United States would say this was not a coup. … She’s baldly lying when she says we never called it a coup."

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/13/shes_baldly_lying_dana_frank_responds


This interview is a must-read for anyone interested in the facts surrounding Hillary's involvement in this incident.
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"She's Baldly Lying": Dana Frank Responds to Hillary Clinton's Defense of Her Role in Honduras Coup (Original Post) vintx Apr 2016 OP
Good link farleftlib Apr 2016 #1
I'm hardly surprised by anything anymore. vintx Apr 2016 #4
Hillary Cannot Tell You What She Had For Breakfast Without "TWISTING" It! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #25
I saw the interview. . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #2
+1,000!!! snot Apr 2016 #3
Now we are on our own and outlets like DN are all that serve the public interest vintx Apr 2016 #5
Yup Joob Apr 2016 #14
wow, this really needs a kick Vattel Apr 2016 #6
Things that used to matter simply don't, anymore, to most people here. vintx Apr 2016 #7
It is sad. Vattel Apr 2016 #8
Again. She's 'baldly lying', AGAIN. How *anyone* can support her is beyond me... AzDar Apr 2016 #9
I can't even believe that she said this: Vattel Apr 2016 #10
I can. vintx Apr 2016 #15
If Bernie had said something that profoundly stupid and offensive, Vattel Apr 2016 #19
That's what some of her supporters admire most about her. Broward Apr 2016 #20
What do you mean, "again"? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #21
knr nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #11
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #12
Thanks. vintx Apr 2016 #26
She did a piss poor job with Latin America as SOS. Vattel Apr 2016 #13
Evo Morales just praised Bernie. Watch for any coups there. jfern Apr 2016 #18
This will have the young voters running to the polls to vote for Clinton....NOT Skwmom Apr 2016 #16
And she supported deporting the child refugees to their deaths jfern Apr 2016 #17
It's like a nightmare. vintx Apr 2016 #23
Hillary Clinton's Response To Honduran Coup Was Scrubbed From Her Paperback Memoirs Octafish Apr 2016 #22
+1 vintx Apr 2016 #24
 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
1. Good link
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:44 PM
Apr 2016

The US Embassy and State Dept called it an illegal coup. This is a cold-blooded person who lies with impunity because our fake press never covers these issues. This received no press coverage at the time and very little currently.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
4. I'm hardly surprised by anything anymore.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

These people lie with impunity because $$$ is on the line and our fourth estate crumbled long ago. Or no, that implies a slow decay. It's more like it was systematically destroyed.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
2. I saw the interview. . . .
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

That's why Amy is the best. EVERYONE else has pundits and talking heads and they blow hot air at each other, making up their opinions out of their predisposed philosophies. Amy gets sources at the center of the controversies and experts who KNOW things.

It is so revealing when you hear the truth, as opposed to trying to find which pundit's thought most match with yours.

That is how journalism should be done, present the FACTS and THEN we can form our opinions on what it true and not just make it up.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
5. Now we are on our own and outlets like DN are all that serve the public interest
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:18 PM
Apr 2016

of keeping the public informed so that we can effectively self-govern.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
10. I can't even believe that she said this:
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:14 PM
Apr 2016

"The legislature, the national legislature in Honduras and the national judiciary actually followed the law in removing President Zelaya."

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
19. If Bernie had said something that profoundly stupid and offensive,
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:36 AM
Apr 2016

the NY Daily News would have crucified him. Hillary says it and there is no response. Just shows how much that rag was determined to attack Bernie. They had to pretend that he had said dumb things (as the NY Times pointed out) and pretend that she didn't.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
21. What do you mean, "again"?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

"Again" would imply a pause before a resumption. There has never been a pause.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
23. It's like a nightmare.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

The thought that she could be our nominee. That people WANT her to be.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
22. Hillary Clinton's Response To Honduran Coup Was Scrubbed From Her Paperback Memoirs
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:44 AM
Apr 2016

Back in 2009:



Hillary Clinton’s Honduran Disgrace

By Matthew Rothschild
The Progressive, March 5, 2010

Hillary Clinton continues with her hawkish ways, making Obama’s foreign policy less distinguishable from Bush’s every day.

She just met with Honduran President Pepe Lobo, she’s notified Congress that the Obama administration is restoring aid to Honduras, and she’s urging Latin American nations to recognize the Lobo government in Tegucigalpa.

The democratic opposition in Honduras boycotted lobo’s election, since he’s allied with the forces that overthrew Manuel Zelaya last June.

But for the longest time, Hillary Clinton stubbornly refused to call the June takeover a “coup,” even though her boss, the president of the United States, immediately denounced it as such.

SNIP..

“Other countries of the region say that they want to wait a while,” she said on her Latin American trip. “I don’t know what they’re waiting for.”

CONTINUED...

http://progressive.org/wx030510.html



We've seen the story fleshed out a bit since then.



Hillary Clinton’s Response To Honduran Coup Was Scrubbed From Her Paperback Memoirs

Critics argue the secretary of state’s efforts paved the way for the violence still plaguing Honduras.


by Roque Planas
Huffington Post, 03/12/2016

Those who want to know what former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said about Honduras' 2009 coup in her autobiography shouldn't bother with the paperback version.

Clinton's role in the aftermath of Honduran President Manuel Zelaya's ouster has come under greater scrutiny since the March 3 assassination of environmental and indigenous rights activist Berta Cáceres. Critics argue that the U.S. push for new elections in the months after the coup helped legitimize the actions of the Honduran military, destabilize the country and pave the way for the extreme violence that followed. Killings of activists like Cáceres and others have become devastatingly common.

But the account Clinton offered of her response to the coup in her memoir Hard Choices was omitted from last year's paperback edition. In June 2009, Zelaya was overthrown by the Honduran military, ushered out of the presidential palace at gunpoint wearing only his pajamas. Months of protests against the de facto government led by Roberto Micheletti followed. While virtually all Latin American governments condemned the coup and called for Zelaya's restoration, Clinton and the U.S. pushed for elections to bring in a new government -- a position she detailed in the hardcover edition of Hard Choices, published in 2014.

Days after the coup, she wrote, she teamed up with Mexican Foreign Secretary Patricia Espinosa to come up with a response.

"We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot and give the Honduran people a chance to choose their own future," Clinton wrote.

But that paragraph -- indeed, the entire two-page discussion of the Honduran coup -- disappeared from the paperback edition. In the paperback version, the chapter on Latin America ends abruptly after a look at the debate over whether Cuba should be included in the Organization of American States.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-honduras-coup-memoirs_us_56e34161e4b0b25c91820a08



Putting the interests of the oligarchs in Honduras ahead of the 99-percent isn't proof of how she'll roll in the USA, just a good indicator.
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