At last - a major media outlet gets beyond the Sanders PR.

[LAS14]

This was a headline in Google News. It's Google News that's the "major" outlet, not Quartz.... whatever that is.

http://qz.com/663579/the-pope-met-with-bernie-sanders-out-of-politeness-and-good-manners-he-says/

Again, to Bernie supporters that ask what problem I have with Sanders' "meeting" the Pope. The problem I have is the spin. The implication that there was more of a connection between the two than there is. It is a spin designed to appeal to Catholics in this country. New York Catholics first and foremost at this point.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

1. Oh lawd you are really upset about this aren't you dearie!

[yallerdawg]

17. Yes, it was just a little getaway for the family,

Oh, and Bernie says "Send $27!"

[RobertEarl]

24. It is obvious

The Pope, and probably God, too, would sure like to see Bernie elevated into his proper place as POTUS.

The press from this event was basically free and the same amount of press, if bought, the price would have been ten times as much. So Bernie comes out ahead all the way around.

The international exposure was ten times the pittance the campaign laid out for the flight, etc. Now people the world over have heard of Bernie, some for the first time, and once he is in office the reputation endowed by the Pope, and probably God, too, will ensure the people respect him as Bernie makes world peace and begins to limit income disparities.

The Pope, and probably God, too, appreciate your concerns.

[yallerdawg]

29. All hail St. Bernie!

God told me to post this.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

31. this is a perfect post - i love it

shows all you got

lol so sad

[RobertEarl]

32. Relatively speaking Bernie is a Saint.

Good to see you beginning to understand. We kinda doubt some here have the sense to get with the program so whenever we see someone getting a glimpse of the realities we embrace them. Good dawg!

[yallerdawg]

39. See?

This is what we need!

An appreciation for the absurdity!

You a find a way to get Bernie elected - I'll vote for him!

Even with his satanic papist ties.

[RobertEarl]

41. Relative Saint and best Democrat He is

[yallerdawg]

49. 2016 Democratic Popular Vote

Hillary 9,350,572.

Bernie 6,946,913.

Hillary +2,403,659.

Best Democrat? You got some work to do.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[RobertEarl]

50. Please

Do not join us. Please don't bring the support for wars and the continued same old politics into the revolution. We don't need it.

Just vote for Bernie in the GE, and that will be all, dawg.

[rbrnmw]

58. Do you think God approves of people dismissing black voters votes?

Do you still think black folks in the south have slave/master mindset?

[RobertEarl]

75. 13% voted in SC

a mere 13% voted in SC. And yes, since SC just did take down the confederate battle flag from the capitol, it is evident there exists in that state a longing for the old days and old ways.

[RandySF]

51. Bernie's inability to tell the truth IS annoying.

[LAS14]

2. And another Google News link - Finally!

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/bernie-sanders-says-he-met-with-pope-francis/

[Surya Gayatri]

16. The Sanders PR fog is beginning to lift and the real non-story is

starting to filter out.

By the next news cycle, the truth will be known. That incontrovertible video clip of Pope Francis on the plane, explaining exactly how the "meeting" took place, will be on all the news shows tomorrow.

[Cha]

62. I hope so.. damn, does he deserve to get exposed.

[99Forever]

3. Those knots are really getting to you, eh?

[realmirage]

8. When the math sinks in and you realize the primary is already over

I'm sure you will also find that funny

[99Forever]

14. I heard that same fucking shit the day Bernie announced.

Math that.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. It's still true

bummer; I know.

[99Forever]

23. Gonna kick your ass when Hillary doesn't get the presidency, isn't it?

Hey, but she might manage to cheat her into the nomination. Ya got that, amirite?

[Maru Kitteh]

25. When Hillary gives her acceptance speech will you be handing notes to Karl Rove

man 'splaining that there's STILL A CHANCE . . . ALL THE VOTES ARE NOT IN YET ! ! !

[99Forever]

36. Fuck KKKarl Rove, isn't he on Team Hillary now? They operate just like him.

Fuck man 'splaining and everyone that uses that lame fucking excuse of a meme.

[Maru Kitteh]

55. Thanks for man 'splaining your poutrage.

[99Forever]

70. Thanks for volunteering the rest of your ilk under the Cone of Silence.

Bu bye

[Maru Kitteh]

88. Bu bye

Have a good one bro

[brush]

27. And who from that splintered repug party is going to beat her?

Once Trump gets through with that repug convention when they try to steal the nomination from him, their nominee won't be able to get elected to dog catcher.

Get real.

[Fawke Em]

35. You realize nominating her will splinter the Democratic Party, too, right?

And Independents can't stand her.

[brush]

40. Oh, okay, every independent can't stand her. You know that how?

There is such a thing as the Obama coalition that will back her. It helped Obama win the last two elections, remember?

[floppyboo]

66. Does that coalition include all those folks you've been calling racist and sexist? Ya right

[brush]

97. Of course not. Why would you even ask if racists are in the Obama Coalition?

[floppyboo]

108. get real. People went with Obama not just because he was AA. Racist undertones in your reply

[brush]

109. O-k-a-a-a-a-a-y. "Racist overtones"? We seem to be on different planets

I don't understand at all WTH you're talking about at all.

Don't bother to respond. I don't want to hear it.

[floppyboo]

110. same planet. shame you have to think of us as 'different'

[Loki]

44. Does "Independent" mean that you would vote for a Republican?

I'm asking a real question, because just the term alone suggests that could be a possibility,. There isn't a Republican out there that I would vote for, ever. They never deviate from the party line and are so anti women, LGBT, people of color, that I could never in good conscience cast a vote for them. They continue to try and rig voting to favor their party at the expense of the people of this country and we, the collective we, have allowed it to happen. So please explain why you call yourself and Independent. I don't believe that is really a political reality.

[Lordquinton]

53. No, you're not asking a real question

You're trying to set up a gotcha situation and it's in very poor form. That you're focused on the individual here on DU that points out the realities of polls out there (showing Clinton behind every other candidate and slipping) How are you proposing to heal the rift in the Democratic party that has formed? The only thing Clinton has to offer most people is that she's not as bad as the other guys, and that may not be enough to motivate the Dem base.

That's the real question here.

[Loki]

54. Well thank for such an in depth answer

[w4rma]

67. It was a strong and accurate answer. You're too blind and biased to see it, Loki. (nt)

[Loki]

69. It's not an answer.

What do you define as an "Independent". Is any supporter of Bernie able to put a definitionon with that ideology or do you all just like to call people names and feel superior? If you can't, then say so. My ideology isn't preventing me from understanding it, but apparently yours can't define it.

[Seeinghope]

98. If Trump decided to run as a Democrat than an Independent could vote for a Republican

To keep Trump out of office.

Years ago when the Republicans were not so rabid the Independents looked at the candidates individually as well.

You could look for leadership qualities, background, personality, actual qualifications for the office vs. The other candidate. It also depended on the state of the country. If it was in economic turmoil it might be the time for somebody who would be strongest in that area. In war time a General might look good.

Now though the Parties on both sides have changed so radically that more people cannot feel totally aligned with either one.

Independents are a party within their own right. They are the anti Democrat and anti Republican bullshit. They are the people that were more believers of politics before they became so rabid. That is why Bernie Sanders is attracting so many Independents. He is talking about things that actually appeal and apply to voters with authenticity.if a Republican Candidate candidate came along that wanted to revolutionise the Republican Party and do some of the things that Bernie Sanders wants to do then some Independents would vote for him or her. It is about what the candidate stands for, stood for, if they are establishment.....

Independents can be more leaning to liberal and more leaning conservativeeven so they could and most likely would vot for the "other" side if there was enough appeal.

After all it is really what is best for the country

[99Forever]

38. Any or all of them.

You seriously underestimate just what a low opinion the vast majority of Americans have of Clintons and all they represent.

[brush]

42. If that were so Sanders would have more votes than her. Duh!

[99Forever]

46. Hey smartguy..

... primaries are NOT generals. I'd suggest some grade school level courses in American Government to start, then moving on to adult stuff. You clearly don't even grasp the most fundamental basics of how the process works.

As such, bub bye, you gone.

[brush]

47. I didn't say it was the general. I said that she has more votes than Sanders.

If she's so hated, why is that?

Shouldn't be so hard to answer since you're so smart (not).

[Mike__M]

52. LOL: It's over next week. Still true.

The next week: it's over next week. Still true.
The next week: it's over next week. Still true.
The next week: it's over next week. Still true.
The next week: it's over next week. Still true.
The next week: it's over next week. Still true.
The next week: it's over next week. Still true.
The next week: it's over next week. Still true.
The next week: it's over next week. Still true.

How long can this go on?

[HooptieWagon]

9. He's a recent one.

Apparently joined DU to express 'concern' and poutrage. IDK if Brock pays time and a half on weekends.

[HooptieWagon]

4. Obamacare will cover your butthurt creme.

Sanders hasn't 'spun' anything. He was invited to speak at the conference - true. A brief, informal, meet and greet happened with the Pope - true. No Papal endorsement was asked, given, or claimed - true. So get over your butthurt and find something else to be poutraged about.

[pkdu]

104. No butt hurt here...but, to correct your "facts"

Sachs got him the invitation , fare doos. .supporters gotta support. No problem there as long as facts are acknowledged.

Sanders Bro-stalked him at 4am according to the Pope in the lobby as he ( Pope) was leaving for Lesbos. Hey , if Bernie was leaving for Rome airport at 4am , I'll even retract the stalking part.

Just facts , not mountains out of molehills , on either side.

[Surya Gayatri]

5. K & R most enthusiastically.

[pangaia]

7. Here, this should cheer you up..

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. I served on a jury this morning that hid a post quoting the Pope 4-3.

So it looks more like posts are hidden for no other reason than someone doesn't like what is posted.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

On Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:11 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Pope says Bernie Bros need psychiatrists ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511753389

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Joking about mental illness is not funny, using it to smear other members is illiberal and adds to the stigma of those suffering from mental illness.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:16 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Stalking is a serious problem, and to use it to try to make some grade-school political points is worthy of a hide.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hiding not because of alerter's comments (the Pope made the first reference) but because the spin is so strong the whirlwind makes me sick.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He's quoting a linked to article. Not sure if that's the Pope's real words or not. Doesn't appear to be a satire site.

If these were the poster's own words I might see a hide justified but not in this case. How about rebutting the article instead?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I am really getting tired of people abusing the Alerts because they don't agree with what is said. The poster was quoting the Pope and not attacking anyone in particular.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Fawke Em]

37. You do know that the Hulk endorsed Bernie, don't you?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

48. Lame

[Cha]

11. Thank you for this, LAS.. maybe some other media will catch on and take what actually happened

from the Pope and not BS.

[mythology]

12. Wait, a politician (hell a person) spinning something in the best light for them?

This is obviously the first time that has ever happened. Ever.

I have no idea what your point is. Is Sanders supposed to have not mentioned this and just disappeared for the weekend or something?

[2naSalit]

34. There was about

a week's worth of hoopla about how Berne was going to meet the Pope and have a talk and all that. Here's what the Pope said about the "meeting"...

[Autumn]

13. Is your Granny doing good? I hope she is.

[morningfog]

15. Yes, you have problems.

[Surya Gayatri]

18. Just popped in to read more of the thread and, while I'm here, to give it another little kick.

[betsuni]

19. This wouldn't be a big deal exept for the 24-hour a day giant fine-toothed nitpicking comb

in Hillary Clinton's hair that we have to hear about all the time. Every word is examined, dictionaries consulted, the worst possible meaning ascribed to every utterance. LIES! IMMORAL! we are demanded to think.

Sanders says "We had an opportunity to meet with him. It was a real honor for me ... to spend some time with him." This leaves an entirely different impression than the reality of a five minute stop-and-chat, more like: "We had an opportunity to meet him. It was a real honor for me to express my admiration for him."

Why the big surprise from the worst Hillary nitpickers that Sanders should get a little nitpicking in return? So what.

[smiley]

20. How dare he take something positive and turn it into a positive.

In a presidential election no less!

[IamMab]

21. That's a twofer: honest about the Pope ambush, and honest about the reduced crowd size. nt

[Recursion]

26. It's a side project of the Atlantic, btw

Pretty popular in Asia.

[TM99]

28. Dude the fucking spin start on the Clinton side

and it continues now.

Just eat your fucking crow and clock out for the night.

[Fairgo]

30. Don't forget to pluck your crow before eating

Pin feathers get stuck between your teeth.

Pluck it real good!

[Bobbie Jo]

43. No crow here

This was nothing but a misrepresentation from beginning to end.

[basselope]

60. Yeah, the Clinton campaign really bungled this all along the way.

[Bobbie Jo]

64. That makes no sense whatsoever.

Another peewee herman moment, that makes twice today.

I know what you are but what am I?

Sometimes it's best to just scroll on by.

[basselope]

72. Do I really need to make a list?

So Sanders announces he is invited by the Vatican to speak and on the View when asked "so you're going to meet the Pope" says the dreaded word "Yup".

#1) The Clinton campaign tries to paint the picture of Sanders FORCING himself to be invited. That gets completely debunked. Clinton's campaign left with egg on face.

#2) The Clinton campaign starts throwing around the "Yup" as if it is some horrible lie Bernie told, when anyone with common sense could figure out he would much more likely than not meet the Pope because this was a high level conference on the Pope's signature issues.

#3) The Clinton campaign ends up with more egg on its face as Sanders ACTUALLY meets the Pope, just as he said.

Now they are trying to squirm out of it by returning to #1 and claiming it was an ambush, which is even more laughable this time.

So yeah, the Clinton campaign really bungled it, because they would have been far better off saying nothing than doing what they always do.. try to make EVERYTHING into a scandal and then look like fools when it turns out not to be.

[Bobbie Jo]

77. Diddly squat

to do with the OP OR my post.

tl;dr

Start your own OP. This mini-rant makes no sense whatsoever.

This was a misrepresentation from start to finish. Period. Mr. Clean is getting called on it, and rightfully so.

Either defend it or move on.

This Because Hillary nonsense is a non-answer.

[basselope]

82. Defend what?

He told the truth the entire time and it drove the Clinton campaign to make multiple false accusations.

Now it is has driven her supporters into a total frenzy.

[Bobbie Jo]

94. This sideshow was misrepresented

from start to finish. Period.

[basselope]

99. Yes, by the Clinton campaign.

Sanders version has been incredibly accurate from start to finish. Period.

[Bobbie Jo]

100. ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1759156

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1761689

[basselope]

107. ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511757172#post72

[dlwickham]

103. putting people on ignore makes it all better

then you don't have to deal with their bullshit

[Bobbie Jo]

105. Point well taken.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

85. It sure was. Now eat your crow.

[Bobbie Jo]

90. No it wasn't.

Now what?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

92. I don't know. Maybe microwave it before eating.

[bkkyosemite]

33. With that handshake Bernie absolutely could have said the things he admired about him

[Armstead]

45. Papal OCD

Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.
Sanders went to the Vatican. How Awful.




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[jfern]

56. Bernie was told he could have a brief meeting at 6am

[JimDandy]

61. That's the first I've heard anything about a 6 am meeting

What's your source for that info?

[jfern]

63. Here

According to the economist Jeffrey Sachs, who has also been attending the conference which ends today, the courtesy visit was prearranged. “Last night the meeting was scheduled for 6am this morning,” Sachs said in comments to CNA. “They had the chance to talk for several minutes.” No photographs were taken of the encounter.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-francis-meets-bernie-sanders-vatican-confirms/#ixzz463soed1s

[JimDandy]

65. Thanks. I was wondering why no one had reported on Sachs

version of events at the meeting, since he was there also, and in fact they had!

[LAS14]

71. Here's an excellent source. It wasn't a "meeting".

[KoKo]

78. That's the Reuters one with the now debunked Translation

isn't it?

[LAS14]

79. Source for a "better" translation, please?

[Seeinghope]

96. So it was a "meeting" in the Popes" own words. Thank you

BTW, I gues you didn't read the meaning of meeting that I posted from the Miriam Webster Dictionary

[LAS14]

80. In the Pope's own words.

[jfern]

95. That doesn't conflict with what I said

[Marr]

57. "The Pope will be out of town!"

lmao.

If you guys just would've been adults about it and said, 'what a nice gesture', and moved the hell on like normal people, you wouldn't look so ridiculous now. But instead you had make petty denials of reality every step of the way, and be proved liars over and over, every step of the way.

I just don't get it.

[basselope]

59. He was invited by the Vatican and got to meet the pope.. why so sour?

[uponit7771]

68. Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..."

[basselope]

73. Yes, that is called MEETING someone.

You know those meet and greets that people pay thousands of dollars for at concerts. That's EXACTLY what they are.

Sometimes you don't even get to shake their hand.

[uponit7771]

74. sanders said meeting WITH....good try though

[basselope]

83. Yes, that is MEETING WITH.

Why is this concept so hard for people to understand?

[LAS14]

81. It's not called "had a meeting" verb vs noun

Those do matter in this situation.

[basselope]

84. Actually they mean the same thing.

Not quite sure why the Clintonites are clinging to this one after losing it every step of the way.

[LAS14]

86. Well, duh, they DON'T mean the same thing. But,

if you think they do, we have no basis to pursue it. I wish you well in your on-going education.

[basselope]

87. Yes, DUH, they do mean the same thing.

You have to twist yourself into a pretzel to claim otherwise.

[orpupilofnature57]

76. Maybe because the Pope recognizes and talks more about Global Warming than any other candidate,

besides Bernie ?

[catnhatnh]

89. So who owns the website???

"The four initial sponsors of Quartz were Boeing, Chevron, Cadillac, and Credit Suisse.[4] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_(publication)

[eastwestdem]

91. Don't worry, at least at my Catholic church this morning, people were laughing at the idea

that an agnostic/Jew went so far out of his way to meet the Pope in the hopes of winning over a few Catholics. (The meeting was even a joke in the Homily.) I don't think it will have much consequence one way or the other.

[anotherproletariat]

93. My neighbor just told me the same thing! I ran into her at the dog park and her priest also made a

joke about the Sanders/Pope meeting.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

101. NOT important for cripes sake! Jesus, I dont know what has happened to people.

[840high]

102. Can't read this vomit.

[redstateblues]

106. Bernie employed the old Hail Mary ambush tactic

Let's be real. Bernie was trying to move the needle in the NY Primary. We shall soon see if it worked. I'm sure he is bummed that there was no picture permitted. I'm surprised Tad Devine didn't arrange to pull off a selfie