2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"If You Had To Describe Hillary In ONE WORD..."
The equivalent Sanders post was informative. Love to hear what you all think of Hillary, especially from her supporters.
polichick
(37,626 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)quantumjunkie
(244 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts).
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)There are so many bad words to describe her it is hard to pick just one, but amoral covers a lot.
senz
(11,945 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)about a dozen are positive.
This should tell us how Horrible of s choice she is (Horrible was my second choice after unelectable)
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)Big time.
No, I take that one back. Corrupt.
Lone_Wolf
(1,603 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)!
Logical
(22,457 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)JeffHead
(1,186 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)she might even want to be better
but she does what data tells her is in her political interest
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)question everything
(52,134 posts)(Sanders is pathetic)
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Bernie is the loser stalking the Pope for political stunt
OhZone
(3,216 posts)fleabiscuit
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Enough is enough. The Pope was not stalked by Sanders. OTT nastiness
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Jackilope
(819 posts)OhZone
(3,216 posts)OHYEAH!
Astrid_g
(7 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)thesquanderer
(13,006 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Electric Monk
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bvf
(6,604 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)The best I can come up with is "courageous", but one word is so limiting.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)launched against her by the VRWC over the last 35 yrs, and which have been taken up by supposed "progressives" in seeking to defeat her. Courage in accepting the support of those supposed "progressives" after she wins the nomination, when she goes on to fight for the interests of the majority of Americans in the face of the continuing RW onslaught.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I've never really thought ambition was particularly courageous, and whoa... accepting someone's support? Courage is required to do that?
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:55 AM - Edit history (1)
Hillary is the RW cadidate!!
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Hillary is the only Democrat in this contest. Just look at how much she s attacked & maligned.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)We knock Hillary for being a corrupt warmonger. Right wingers *love* those attributes.
We are criticizing her *from the left* To me at least, Hillary *is* a right winger.
Hope this helped.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And it's not Hillary. She's one of the targets of such attacks.
This thread reminds me of nothing other than Newt Gingrich's list of dirty words used to describe Democrats.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/us/politics/the-long-run-gingrich-stuck-to-caustic-path-in-ethics-battles.html
http://www.uh.edu/~englin/rephandout.html
Note the commonalities.
The fascists in the Republican Party learned a long time ago that language is a means of control. Sanders supporters, by 1) insisting on using RW talking points based on RW lies to attack liberal Democrats like Hillary Clinton, and 2) insisting that those RW talking points are true in spite of all evidence to the contrary, they show themselves to be under the control of the fascists in the Republican Party.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)It is *not* a "RW talking point" to oppose Corruption, cronyism (ie getting paid 150M for "speeches" to those you would be regulating in the future) and warmongering(Libyan and Iraqi regeime change, gleefull cackling about killing human beings)
Why? Because THESE ARE RIGHT WING IDEAS!!!!
We are *against* these ideas, and hence, most of us oppose Hillary in favor of Sanders (the contrast is stark, almost overwhelming).
baldguy
(36,649 posts)But when you use the exact words, phrases and emphasis as those suggested and used by the most extreme RW fascist demagogues & their propaganda - and to the same ends - you support those most extreme RW fascist ideas.
You've let the RW set the stage, and you're perfectly happy to play the part they've written for you. That's OK. I understand that hatred for the Democratic Party and All Things Clinton is a thing - even among self-styled "progressives".
Just don't try to pretend that that extreme RW fascist-originated hatred has anything to do with reality, or that it does anything to advance the cause of progressivism, or anything to diminish the influence of RW propaganda.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)RW fascists LOVE war and corruption. What you say makes no sense.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)That supposed "progressives" can't discern the ratfuckery supporting Sanders speaks volumes.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)But ... but ... I thought Bernie was a leftwing commie? I haz a confused!
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)anamnua
(1,510 posts)Luciferous
(6,586 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Response to quantass (Original post)
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iAZZZo
(358 posts)[/br][/br]includes ultra-ultra-rare pittsburgh gazette video interview with her coffee
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After my first report exposed the truth, Clinton doubled down and dug in, providing a second reason to question her memory of events.
Clinton never fully explained how she could have made such a mistake as saying she had ducked sniper fire when there hadnt been a sniper in sight. Initially, she stated I was sleep deprived and I misspoke.
But as my report below (Clinton Doubles Down) shows, Clinton told varieties of the embellishment over a long period of time, not just when she was sleep deprived.
Had Clinton somehow convinced herself that it had all really happened? Or did she knowingly advance a false story?
So I made a mistake, Clinton also stated at one point. It proves Im human, which you know, for some people, is a revelation.
https://sharylattkisson.com/hillary-clintons-dodging-sniper-fire-in-bosnia-tale/
Joob
(1,065 posts)Paulie
(8,464 posts)gordianot
(15,772 posts)Autumn
(48,962 posts)extremely insipid
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)enid602
(9,686 posts)DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)FuzzyRabbit
(2,217 posts)and add Machiavellian.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Dishonest
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts)IamMab
(1,359 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Loki
(3,830 posts)Unafraid is my word.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)He's going to take their precious and give it to those truly in need. And those greedy bastards will lose their minds.
Any conservative with half a brain would much rather HRC get the nomination for 2 reasons:
1. They think they can beat her
2. Even if they don't, they're won't take much of a financial hit.
Bernie, OTOH, wil beat them, and he wil take their shit. They are very concerned...
Logical
(22,457 posts)xfundy
(5,105 posts)Chasstev365
(7,798 posts)choie
(6,906 posts)k8conant
(3,038 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Umbral18
(105 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)but maybe that one's been played out already
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)pintobean
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RiverLover
(7,830 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)quantumjunkie
(244 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
moondust
(21,286 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)Syrian dead children, Honduras dead children, Libyan dead children
peace13
(11,076 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)I like the guy personally but the drones have killed way too many innocent people. The American Kill lists bother me too. And, allowing guantanamo to stay open.
Hillary can be included in Iraq, Afghanistan and Columbian bloodshed.
nruthie
(466 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Pathetic.
southerncrone
(5,510 posts)Chemisse
(31,346 posts)I keep remembering how she survived that Benghazi inquisition.
I admire her for that, and for having the courage and drive to run for president at her age. I am younger than she is - with half the energy.
Sadly, she is a politician, and thus is also many of the other things listed in this thread.
bvf
(6,604 posts)I keep remembering how she survived sniper fire while in Bosnia.
I admire her for that, and for having the courage to vote to send thousands of American troops to their deaths on the strength of a lie.
Chemisse
(31,346 posts)That someone would have to shit on my post.
I voted for Bernie, but that doesn't mean I can't find the positive in his opponent when I look for it. Too bad you lack that skill.
bvf
(6,604 posts)You're right about one thing, though: Finding the positive in Hillary Clinton does require some skill, although there's a much better word for it.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...I'm a Sanders supporter, but I don't share the Hillary-hate. She's been thru 25 years of incoming fire from the GOP; she's survived.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)I see her as a fundamentally insecure, and unstable person. She constantly flip-flops and changes her opinions so people will like her. She can't take a stand. She needs approval. That's a terrible way to live your life.
Lone_Wolf
(1,603 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)PAMod
(944 posts)N/t
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)Demnorth
(68 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)quantumjunkie
(244 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)edgineered
(2,101 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)rachacha
(173 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Hillary is to victims as CNN is to missing planes.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Clinton is purposely average. She has the intelligence, experience and ambition to be exceptional, but she lacks the boldness to go for it. She gets aggressive with her political adversaries, but will not aggressively pursue progressive projects.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)LuvLoogie
(8,815 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)So Far From Heaven
(354 posts)StevieM
(10,578 posts)Fronkonsteen
(75 posts)I think she might actually believe the things she says at the time she is speaking. Problem is, she frequently says things that are demonstrably false and/or contradictory, and that kind of constant cognitive dissonance can really fuck with your head. I find her both pitiable and terrifying.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Hawaiianlight
(63 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Response to quantass (Original post)
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)dip·lo·mat·ic
/ˌdipləˈmadik/
adjective
adjective: diplomatic
1.
of or concerning the profession, activity, or skill of managing international relations.
"diplomatic relations between the United States and Britain"
synonyms: ambassadorial, consular
"diplomatic activity"
having or showing an ability to deal with people in a sensitive and effective way.
"that was a very diplomatic way of putting it"
synonyms: tactful, sensitive, subtle, delicate, polite, discreet, thoughtful, careful, judicious, nonconfrontational, prudent, politic, clever, skillful
"he tried to be diplomatic"
antonyms: tactless
Jack Bone
(2,050 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)And her followers? Ideologues.
Neither is good.
lakeguy
(1,645 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)tokenlib
(4,186 posts)..quite frequently when I hear her lies on the tube these days...
MaeScott
(971 posts)Mudcat
(179 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)TBF
(36,669 posts)rock
(13,218 posts).
snpsmom
(791 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)hyphenated to make one word
polly7
(20,582 posts)CruzinNCrying
(17 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Too much time has passed and she still hasn't shown up.
You can't even tell who she's trying to be, to please, and more importantly, WHAT TO MEAN.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Lies even when the truth would do her better, as in habitual.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Does that count?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Obviously you and everyone you know will vote for her in the general against Trump or Cruz or whomever the Republicans pick.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It's like bizarro world.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Calculated, fake, counterfeit, unscrupulous, pretentious, phony, depraved, disingenuous, contriving, insipid, predatory, treacherous, sociopath, shrill, manipulative, criminal.
Those are all standard things one hears about her from right-wingers.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)She is certainly a flawed candidate in many ways, and I completely understand that there are stances on some issues that people here would disagree with strongly.
That being said, some of the words I am seeing on this list are ones that I would expect to find on a right-wing board, not a board that is dedicated to getting Democrats elected.
Stallion
(6,642 posts)we've got this thread to show exactly what Clinton supporters have been putting up with. A high percentage of bomb-throwers
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It is crazy to me that any Sanders supporter can say that there hasn't been serious negativity directed at Hillary here (and not just with respect to policy disagreements). Some of the words on the list are absolutely vicious and personal.
I guess that's the way things go during primary season.
dchill
(42,660 posts)(Quoting a Hillary supporter.)
Bettie
(19,704 posts)no message
Nanjeanne
(6,589 posts)jack_krass
(1,009 posts)As in, ambitious to implement a PNAC agenda, and get filthy rich doing it.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)As a woman who has experienced my share of sexism and did not always deal with it well, I am inspired to see how graceful she is under pressure.
OnlinePoker
(6,127 posts)having or showing too much pride in your abilities or achievements
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Eom
shanti
(21,799 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)oregonjen
(3,643 posts)4ricksren
(72 posts)SharonAnn
(14,173 posts)marlakay
(13,282 posts)Its a synonym for two words I immediately thought of.... Sell Out.
Broward
(1,976 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)amoral x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 and then some.
Vinca
(53,994 posts)Liberaltalker
(59 posts)Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)In a bad way.
lmbradford
(517 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)ridgenvalley
(58 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)ridgenvalley
(58 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)asuhornets
(2,427 posts)asuhornets
(2,427 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)and I am supporting Sanders.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Faux pas
(16,356 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)BuddhaGirl
(3,708 posts)go Hillary!
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Corporate666
(587 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)Jane Austin
(9,199 posts)There a lot of traits that contribute to that, but, man-oh-man, is she boring.
Philly-Union-Man
(79 posts)kydo
(2,679 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)Lord of The Rings version.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)...lived in Mordor, head-bad-guy and Saruman's boss in LOTR, died when his fave ring was destroyed in Mt.Doom by Frodo.
RandySF
(84,288 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)If she gets nominated, we're begging for a close election.
A nutjob like Cruz cannot possibly win unless we elect a historically unpopular and distrusted candidate. Why would we do that?