Yeah, but Bernie would be winning this primary race IF …

[NanceGreggs]

If the tens of thousands of attendees at his rallies actually showed up to vote for him at the polls.

If delegates were awarded on the basis of yard signs and bumper stickers.

If on-line polls replaced actual polls.

If a candidate got super-delegates based on how many of their supporters threatened a super-delegate.

If all of the rules that govern the primary process in every state had been changed to suit Bernie the day he launched his campaign.

If delegates were awarded on the basis of the number of vile comments a candidate’s supporters posted on the FB pages/websites of anyone who doesn’t support/endorse their candidate.

If “red states” didn’t count (except the ones that Bernie won).

If “math” didn’t count.

If millions more voters weren’t voting for Hillary instead of Bernie.

Ya know, it’s so obvious that Bernie would be the nominee if everyone just stopped thinking that HRC was the better candidate. Why can’t those millions of voters just STOP thinking that way? WTF is wrong with these people?

[Vattel]

1. empty

[beam me up scottie]

5. Much misery in Camp Weathervane.

The need to spread it around is almost pathological.

[pat_k]

15. My new mantra

DNFTEC!

Do
Not
Feed
The
Energy
Creatures!

I got ticked off today and lost a couple hours I wish I could get back engaging with "Energy Creatures."

Got to remember.... Do... Not....

But I find it tough to let all of the belittling, fake "scandals," and feigned outrage go unanswered.

Oh well.

DNFTEC DNFTEC DNFTEC

[beam me up scottie]

20. Words of wisdom there, I need to be reminded often.

It's like trying to argue with a giant vampire squid who won't let go of your face.

[pat_k]

61. You've given me a new image for "Energy Creature"!

I love it.

Giant vampire squid! Do Not Feed!

[Autumn]

21. They haz some sadz

[beam me up scottie]

23. Yep. Bernie met the pope Bernie met the pope Bernie met the pope Bernie met the pope

[Autumn]

25. Bernie's just a better human being all the way around.

[beam me up scottie]

33. Of course he is, that's another reason they're so bitter.

How would you like to have to defend Hillary against a candidate like Bernie? It's no wonder they're so irritable, constantly trying and failing to manufacture smears about him and gin up outrage on social media... It must be exhausting.

[Autumn]

37. It drives them crazy so they just fling out anything and hope something sticks.

[DJ13]

47. Like monkeys flinging poo at the zoo?

[TexasTowelie]

58. Do you actually believe that is going to change how anyone votes?

Do you think the pope gave Bernie his blessing?

Considering how much you abhor religion I'm surprised that you aren't condemning the meeting.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Nope, I just like repeating that fact because it upsets people who sneered at Bernie all week!

And they're STILL whining about him meeting the pope! Watch people keep posting about to prove the point...

[Major Hogwash]

64. Actually, it may sway some voters to vote for Bernie.

After Trump blasted the Pope last month.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Then that would be the icing on the cake!

Seriously, I'm going to get lectured because I'm enjoying the backlash against people who posted dozens of threads daily mocking Bernie by saying he would NEVER EVER EVER meet the pope?

Pfft!

[TexasTowelie]

67. It's too bad they didn't get a picture of Bernie kissing the pope's ring.

Can you imagine how much additional coverage it would receive when the conservative Websites juxtapose that photo with the one of President Obama bowing to a foreign leader? Throw in the JFK is a Catholic meme, allege five decades of Democratic subservience to foreign leaders and smear it on an edible cracker. Trump would find it delicious and would use it in every press conference between now and the election.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

75. Lol.

[NanceGreggs]

86. OMG!

THAT was epic!

"... and smear it on an edible cracker."

Too perfect for words.

[NastyRiffraff]

110. Why on earth would we be upset

about a quick handshake with the pope: "nothing more," in Francis' own words?

Even if there were multiple pictures (where, oh where, are they?) and the "5 minute meeting" Bernie (falsely) claimed, I for one wouldn't be upset, jealous, etc. etc. Who cares?

[Sheepshank]

183. ..and if anyone implied more, they need psychiatric assistance, according to the Pontif. nt

[CajunBlazer]

149. Bernie hung out in a hotel lobby so he could say he "met" with the Pope

That must have been embarrassing to Bernie the way the Pope discounted the "chance encounter", saying it was just "good manners" not to to totally ignore Bernie who was desperate to get the "I met with the Pope" box checked off on his Vatican trip card. Frances also told reporting that shaking his and and greeting the man was in no way and enforcement and anyone who thought it was "should see a psychiatrist".

It's amazing what some politicians will do to get noticed. Oh well, I guess it would have been more embarrassing for Bernie to be totally ignored by the Pope after he made such a big deal about "being invited to the Vatican", but I can assure you Catholics were not impressed.

They know that most visiting dignitaries can easily arrange a private audience with the Pope, but not in the middle of an election campaign; Bernie should know that no Pope ever wants to be seen as taking sides in a country's elections.

Poor Bernie, had he stayed and campaigned in NY he might have have won a few more delegates and might have avoided an embarrassing landslide.

[Number23]

151. It is simply HILARIOUS that his supporters act like his shaking the pope's hand at 4 am is so huge

All the while pretending that Hillary supporters are just upset and dismayed over the meeting. If anything, I would suspect that Hillary supporters are busting guts over how "important" this non-event is to Sanders supporters when even the pope himself blew it the fuck off.

"This morning when I was leaving, Senator Sanders was there, he had come to the convention. He knew I was leaving at that time and he had the courtesy to greet me. I greeted him, his wife and another couple who were there and were sleeping in Santa Martha.

"When I came down, I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more. This is called good manners and it is not getting involved in politics." http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36061855

Yeah, reading that, I don't think it was nearly as good for Francis as it was for Sanders.

[Hortensis]

193. I'm also hearing that NYers seem to be more offended

than otherwise, judging by interviews.

I give Bernie credit for a bold gesture at a time that needed one, even if it didn't make a difference. The anti-Catholic bernistas prepared to cheer genuflection to the Pope if it'd work earn a very different sort of badge.

[longship]

88. Birdie Sanders! Birdie Sanders! Birdie Sanders!

That one works, too.

Sends them all right to their fainting couches.

[NastyRiffraff]

186. Birdie Sanders! OMG that's good!

[CrowCityDem]

109. The wind's been blowing our way the whole time.

[sheshe2]

147. Lol~

[sheshe2]

146. ...

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

2. You felt the need to type all of this out....

Has this weekend got you down?

Vatican Speech, meeting the pope, 10,000+ turnout at a March for Bernie, Clooney calling his fundraiser obscene, Clinton being showered with $1 bills as she heads to her Clooney fundraiser, revelation that Sanders campaign volunteers made 1.3 million GOTV calls in one day.

This is not a good weekend for Hilli Vanilli

[enid602]

9. bern

Don't forget to mention the most recent polls that show Bernie Panders losing NY by ever wider margins. Hate to be you right noe

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

14. only 2.7 million of over 5 million voted in 2008 dem primary.

We are on target to make 2.6 million GOTV calls this weekend. Polls be damned, they are weighted based on expected turnout from previous elections.

[TexasTowelie]

74. I received a phone call from the Sanders campaign before the Texas primary

and I appreciate the GOTV effort. However, the phone call did not convince me to vote for Bernie. I was polite to the lady that called and told her that I wasn't voting for Bernie and she politely ended the call.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

81. Depends....

Right now the calls being made are GOTV calls not traditional calls where we are finding out their support on a scale so that canvassers can target. I've gotten mostly Sanders supporters and just making sure they know their polling place, where to vote and seeing if they are interested in volunteering. Other callers then call them afterwards if they show interest in volunteering.

[Hiraeth]

40. ever wider margins? links. please.

[NanceGreggs]

13. Actually, it's been a GREAT weekend!

HRC is still ahead by millions of votes and hundreds of delegates. Polls still showing Hillary way ahead in NY - as well as way ahead in several upcoming states.

Bernie's campaign's claims that he was "invited by the Pope" to the Vatican conference being debunked, along with his claim that he had a "personal meeting" with the Pontiff having been dismissed by the Pope himself.

All's well here in Hillary-land - In BernieWorld, not so much.

[Number23]

152. LieS!1 LIeS!!11 Bernie met the pope, I tells ya! And it's huge, MASSIVe news because.... ((reasons))

Best OP I've seen in days around here, Nance. And either that's because this is a damn fine OP or I'm not here as often as I used to. I think it's both, actually.

[NanceGreggs]

154. ...

Thanks - and !!!

I think it safe to say that a lot of us aren't here as often as we used to be.

[The Old Lie]

38. She was showered with $1 bills?

Link to that? I hadn't heard that tidbit.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

41. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511757981

[NastyRiffraff]

187. That is just. plain. weird.

Sanders supporters showering Hillary with $1 bills? Why for god's sake? This is supposed to b e proof of what, exactly? Very very strange way to throw away your money. Must have money to "bern."

[sheshe2]

148. K~

Awesome!!!!!! hahahahahahah



?6



We are in our awesome year. Not just a weekend. We rock.



We will we will rock you!

[Haveadream]

157. Rocking and rolling!

[sheshe2]

189. Hey you~

[Haveadream]

194. hey!

[NastyRiffraff]

188. Love them all!

We will indeed rock you!

[sheshe2]

190. Tomorrow night!

Yes indeed~

[NastyRiffraff]

192. Ooh, yea, can't wait!

[Iliyah]

3. K & R

[bkkyosemite]

4. ............

[SoLeftIAmRight]

6. lol

you are still not in the loop

[msongs]

7. sounds like bernie is trying to cheat in NY - wants to do the same things he claims clinton is doing

but oddly enough his crowd only claims cheating when HE loses. how odd

[RobertEarl]

8. This just came out

And besides, yes, the south is pretty much not up to speed on the differences between the two. And some are all for the H's same old politics. See you at Bernie's Dem convention?

[NanceGreggs]

24. Ah, how cute.

Another "the south is pretty much not up to speed" post.

Until this primary, I had NO idea how dumb those southern state voters are.

[RobertEarl]

52. Yeah

The south voted before most of them even knew who Bernie was. It was designed that way to make it easy for the establishment. Bernie has now showed up the establishment and as we see in places where H had 40 point leads at the same time the south voted, her lead is now nothing. If the south were to vote again today (and vote more than the 13% in SC that voted) Bernie would probably have won the whole race already.

Yep, the south showed itself to be kinda dumb. I live here, I see it all the time. At least I live in a place here that Bernie won. People in this neck of the woods are smart and up to speed, yep!

[NanceGreggs]

66. Bernie has been in politics ...

... for three-plus decades. If no one "knew who he was" before now, that's probably because he hasn't accomplished anything that makes him "knowable'.

[Thinkingabout]

82. Trust me, I voted in the South, I knew who Sanders was, trying to sell this one is not going to fly.

Today if we voted again he would get less support, it has diminished in the last couple of weeks.

[mythology]

83. Given that Sanders himself has said that southern states are irrelevant

why do you think they would vote for him? Not to mention Sanders hasn't shown a consistent ability to win black or Hispanic voters in primary states.

But your post is exactly what's wrong with this place. You actually believe that anybody who doesn't vote like you do is stupid. That takes an amazing amount of arrogance and ignorance that it astounds me. You can't imagine for a moment that you could be wrong, or that the differences between Clinton and Sanders aren't such a vast gulf that there are those of us who don't see enough of a significant difference to care who wins the primary.

[WhiteTara]

105. Maybe he should have campaigned there some instead of just Iowa.

They could have gotten to know him in that way.

[mcar]

108. Floridian here

I was very aware of who Sanders is. I was proud to cast my primary vote for Hillary.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

10. Did U haz a sad?

[Buzz Clik]

102. No, she haz a point. U haz not.

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Have a hug nance.

You obviously need it.

[NanceGreggs]

16. Thanks for the hug, Joe ...

... but I really don't need it. My candidate is winning - to the tune of millions of votes and hundreds of delegates.

Maybe you should give that hug to the folks on the losing side.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. If you REALLY believed that, you wouldn't need to be so negative and bitter.

You'd just enjoy the victory.

[NanceGreggs]

26. Negative and bitter?

You seem to have me confused with BS supporters.

My candidate is ahead by all measures - why would I be bitter? I'm actually ecstatic!

[Logical]

29. No, you have become so snide! Weird Canadian values.

[Hiraeth]

42. turning down a hug because WINNING. wtf

maybe it is Charlie Sheen after all.

[NanceGreggs]

54. Despite having had this discussion before ...

... you insist on characterizing me as a "Canadian".

I'm a US citizen, and I vote in US elections.

But keep bringing it up - as though it means anything.

[Demnorth]

80. "Snide?", "Weird Canadian values?"

I don't understand. Canadians are known for a decent health care system, lack of a gun culture, and generally, being polite...? How is this bad?

Did you mean "snide" would be considered weird if someone had Canadian values?

[840high]

22. If your candidate wins

out country will lose.

[dchill]

12. The Grapes of Wrath.

No worries then.

[madamesilverspurs]

17. At our Colorado Democrats Convention today

the Sanders delegates shouted down Michael Bennet, our senator. They shouted down former senator and Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar, who was attempting to speak in favor of Clinton, to the point that he just gave up and left. And when one of our party officers tried to explain the parameters of delegates and super delegates, they screamed at her so horribly that she left the stage in tears. Now they're all bragging about their "success" on facebook.

I was standing at the back of the room next to a man who was wearing a Bernie shirt. He went pale and asked, "My god, when did we become Trumpsters?"

A couple of my friends are ardent Sanders supporters, and I was able to see them trying to get the others to stop the harassment; it didn't work. In a couple of days I plan to ask if they're still willing to engage with such people.

[geek tragedy]

43. We won't let those people take over our party nt

[COLGATE4]

111. Fortunately by day after tomorrow

it will be obvious to even the most rabid Bernie supporters that his 'chance' is no longer. Then we'll see if he stays in it, pulling in the donations or actually does the right thing and gets behind Hillary (no, I don't really see any chance of that happening). He'll stay in to the bitter end, pulling in the cash and giving the Rethugs more sound bytes than they can possibly use in the GE.

[Hiraeth]

46. oh god. it is getting ugly. I thought I wanted to go to the convention but, angry mobs are angry.

I was hoping it did not come to this.

[peace13]

55. This depicts the frustration in our country.

I don't hold a candidate responsible for actions of supporters especially if the candidate is not at the event. People are frustrated because their votes are not being counted and their voices are not being heard. This perfect storm as a result of eight lawless years of the * administration. People are angry and frustrated frustrated. Salazar....supporting Hill.....I bet that was rich!

[Cha]

85. Thank you so much for your account of the BSrs in Colorado, mss. So did they

really accomplish anything other than making asses out of themselves?

I'm really sorry about this.. I wonder what Sen Michael Bennett and Ken Salazar are thinking about the this.. And, your party officer? it wouldn't be a surprise that's for sure.

George Clooney is going to be on mtp tomorrow.. that may seem random but it's not.

[uponit7771]

92. +1

[DisgustipatedinCA]

121. Do you have documentation for the claims you are making?

[redgreenandblue]

122. Cellphone footage or it's a lie. nt

[Number23]

153. No one of integrity would doubt what you've written considering all we've seen and heard

over the last year. I don't doubt a single word you've written.

[joshcryer]

181. "My god, when did we become Trumpsters?"

The people you likely refer to are not actual Sanders supporters or democrats for that matter. They are anti Dem in general, and when Sanders endorses and stumps for her you'll quickly see these "supporters" throw him under the bus.

[hellofromreddit]

19. You forgot to put any content into your post

If the tens of thousands of attendees at his rallies actually showed up to vote for him at the polls.

Over 3 million barred from the primaries in NY alone. Widespread problems in AZ which both campaigns are suing over. 5.3 million disenfranchised across the US due to felony laws.

Voters are being kept from voting and all you can do is cheer it on.

If all of the rules that govern the primary process in every state had been changed to suit Bernie the day he launched his campaign.

The laws are broken, hence the complaining by voters. Kinda like PP complaining about insane abortion laws. It's not that PP is lawless, it's that the laws are garbage.

If delegates were awarded on the basis of the number of vile comments a candidate’s supporters posted on the FB pages/websites of anyone who doesn’t support/endorse their candidate.

I've seen vile comments (such as yours) from all directions. They are all equally worthless.

If “math” didn’t count.

The way you try to use math as a weapon is two things: insulting to others, implying that they are just too stupid to handle math; and dishonest since every single time you math wizards get pressed you present none of your work and just run away from the questions.

If millions more voters weren’t voting for Hillary instead of Bernie.

Nobody around here has been presenting much reason to vote for Hillary--just reasons to vote against others. Oh, and juvenile cheering that others are locked out of the democratic process.

[NanceGreggs]

28. Using math as a weapon?

No, the math IS the math. Trying to pretend it doesn't matter is the domain of the losing candidate.

[Logical]

31. Classy again

[COLGATE4]

114. Nance is always classy. Thanks for noticing. nt

[basselope]

35. Yes, the math is the math and she can't win with the math.

The fact that the INEVITABLE candidate will need party insiders to give her the required number of delegates shows how incredibly weak she is.

A guy who has never before been a member of the democratic party just came in and made it IMPOSSIBLE for her to earn the number of pledged delegates to seal the nomination.

There's some math for you.

[hellofromreddit]

36. I'm glad to see you agreed to drop your nonsense about voter turnout

As far as the math goes, show us your math. All of you like to say it's impossible for Bernie to win because "math." Let's see that proof.

[NanceGreggs]

87. Where did I say anyhing ...

... about "voter turnout"?

Link, please.

As for the proof that it's impossible for Bernie to win because of the math, it's been covered here in many, many posts. It's also been covered by political journalists and statisticians. GOOGLE is your friend.

Do your homework - ya know, the same way Bernie should do his.

[hellofromreddit]

95. A expected, you have no actual math

Grade-school internet argument method:

1. Start a thread with insults.

2. Justify none of your assertions.

3. Demand everybody else prove the opposite of what you said.

4. Ignore anyone who meets your demands and just demand more.

I'll provide you with no links as you've taken the time to justify not a single damn thing so far. If you'd like that to change, replace your condescending tone with some actual explanations of your ideas.

[The Old Lie]

44. Will it be math when....

Bernie defeats Clinton 79 to 21, in New York?

That /alone/ cuts it down to double digits, and the momentum continues.

[Hiraeth]

51. oh lord. that would be nice.

[NanceGreggs]

56. ...

[KitSileya]

100. I need to permalink this - to look at your predictive powers after Tuesday.

It would be a miracle to get those kinds of numbers, when all polls claim he'll lose. But for those who believe in the bird, anything is possible, it seems.

[SidDithers]

113. If he does win, I'll raise a toast to him...

Sid

[KitSileya]

126. LOL It seems that those martinis have a deleterious effect on brain cells

A prediction of a 50+% win in a state where the candidate is consistently 5+% behind in polls is amble evidence of that. I'm sure Hawkeye would agree.

[SidDithers]

136. ...

Sid

[mcar]

191. One of my favorite shows evah!

Thanks Sid.

[COLGATE4]

116. No. It would be a miracle like none seen

since the Bible days.

[shenmue]

120. What are you reading?

[brer cat]

141. Nope, that's not math;

that is fantasy land.

[geek tragedy]

143. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor nt

[jmowreader]

198. More like fantasy

Prove to us, right now, where you came up with that.

[noretreatnosurrender]

62. We saw the Clinton Math

in action in Colorado. Team Hill & The Colorado Democratic Party put out phony numbers to give her some of Bernie's delegates and then kept it a secret for 5 weeks until the Denver Post exposed them. I don't think I'd be bragging about Clinton math.

[Hiraeth]

49. no, she didn't forget. that is just how she writes. her style.

pablum for the masses or some such shit.

[hellofromreddit]

57. Well, that's a shame

I was informed that she was a skilled writer before she apparently injured her pinkie:

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Nance has more writing skills in the tip of her pinkie than some noob from reddit, which is a right-wing infested playground full of "under a bridge dwellers" who have been infiltrating here.

sic.

[Hiraeth]

59. lol

she has mad skillz alright if you like your writing to look like a grocery list of bullshit.

[COLGATE4]

112. Over 3 million barred from the primaries in NY alone.

OMG- 3 million barred from primaries in NY. Why aren't the papers and the MSM all over this? It's a huge scandal. Except for, oh you're talking about people who are not registered as members of the Democratic Party so they are not allowed to vote in the Democratic Party Primary?

[Bonobo]

27. Under normal conditions, Sanders would have failed spectacularly. That he DIDN'T is spectacular.

Spectacularly TELLING, that is.

It tells me a few things -and it is quite clear.

1. It tells me that there is an enormous groundswell of dissatisfaction with political hacks and the status quo -of which people feel Hillary is closely associated.

2. It tells me that, on a personal level, Hillary is widely disliked and distrusted.

3. It tells me that the most people, in this YouTube age, can no longer be lied and manipulated as easily as in the past and that politicians will need to, going forward, be more consistent and honest.

--Bernie is, by any conventional measurement, an unlikely and weak candidate. But for those of us who support him, it is not about him as a person. It is about what he represents: Namely consistency, principles, clarity, commitment to ideas, moral compass, honesty.

By contrast, Hillary is a slippery weasel of a politician. I am a strong Bernie supporter, but that description I just gave is-without doubt- representative of the prevailing opinion of Hillary Clinton from a huge number of people.

[NanceGreggs]

32. Sadly for you ...

... and your candidate-of-choice, the numbers speak for themselves.

HRC is ahead by millions of votes and hundreds of delegates. And all the poutrage in the world won't change things.

[Bonobo]

39. It IS sad, you're right.

But my post still stands.

Hillary should have hit a walk-off homerun against Sanders.

She is a weak candidate, the weakest I have seen since Dukakis.

[The Old Lie]

50. She can be ahead by twenty trillion votes

and STILL lose the nomination.

Y'see, we got this thing called delegates.

[Buzz Clik]

103. Actually, HRC has the delegates.

[Armstead]

73. I diagree -- Sanders is a strong candidate...though he has made some missteps

In addition to the factors you mentioned about Clinton....Sanders is also resonating with people in a more positive way. He coule have very easily been marginalized as a fringe candidate...but he has broken through.

There are things I wish he would do a little differently, but he is a doing a great job as a candidate overall, as the results attest.

[basselope]

30. They voted in a different order.

Or if the democratic party wasn't so terrified that they actually had open primaries.

He may still win even with the democratic party working against him.

[NanceGreggs]

45. The only people who want "open primaries" ...

... are BS supporters - because he can't win among Democrats.

I stand to be corrected - but I don't recall any "let's allow non-Democrats to vote in the Democratic primaries" being an issue before it became apparent that BS couldn't win without non-Democrats.

Can you provide any links to previous Dem primaries where it was argued that non-Democrats should have a say?

[basselope]

63. This has ALWAYS been an issue for those of us who don't treat political parties like religions.

You want a link.

How about an Op-Ed from Charles Schumer from 2014 asking for New York to have Open Primaries?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/opinion/charles-schumer-adopt-the-open-primary.html?_r=0

Here are some quotes:

"But primaries poison the health of that system and warp its natural balance, because the vast majority of Americans don’t typically vote in primaries. "

[hellofromreddit]

71. "I stand to be corrected"

.... But when someone encourages you to dismiss out-of-hand any fellow Party members whose approach differs from your own, you might be well-advised to consider their intentions, along with the true purpose of their agenda. ....

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/NanceGreggs

[NanceGreggs]

76. And where are the links ...

... to DUers in 2008 complaining that closed primaries were an issue?

Try to stay on topic ...

[HassleCat]

34. I'm sorry he's causing so much trouble.

It's a shame someone had to come along and spoil Hillary's coron... er... I mean magnificent victory.

[NanceGreggs]

48. Despite whatever "trouble" BS has caused ...

... Hillary is still way ahead.

[Gothmog]

53. Great OP

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. Wings are the only thing that will keep a person above bullshit piled this high.

[NanceGreggs]

70. And wings are the only things ...

... that cause Bernie supporters to look at HRC's votes and delegate count, and still insist that Bernie will be the nominee.

[rbrnmw]

91. .....

[Lucinda]

69. KNR

[SHRED]

77. Hillary is very popular with these also:

Hillary was paid heavily for speeches to the same institutions who crashed the economy with their hedge fund schemes and toxic mortgage-backed securities.

Her son-in-law worked 8 years in the hedge fund industry at Goldman Sachs before starting his own hedge fund group into which the Goldman Sachs CEO is invested.

And her campaign manager John Podesta (Group) handles PR (public relations) for billions of dollars in arms sales to the Saudis from such big players like Lockheed Martin.
You know Saudi Arabia?... the country responsible for 9/11?
Well the John Podesta Group is essentially a go-between that helps Saudi Arabia with their image to further sales growth in weaponry, etc.

The military industrial banking complex is powerful and they want her at the helm.

They are more comfortable with her as President rather than Bernie.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/07/washingtons-multi-million-dollar-saudi-pr-machine

[NanceGreggs]

78. You can play ...

... Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon all night long.

It doesn't change the fact that HRC is ahead by millions of votes, and hundreds of delegates.

[SHRED]

79. Which obviously, if true, delights you regardless of the truth I posted

[Odin2005]

196. "She's a winner" is Trump-level creepy authoritarianism.

[Cha]

84. "If “red states” didn’t count (except the ones that Bernie won)." lol..

LOL@your OP, Nance.. I know what drove you to it.

[Alfresco]

89. K&R

[Live and Learn]

90. If Hillary didn't cheat. nt

[Buzz Clik]

104. ^^^ THIS ^^^ Sanders's campaign already has accused her of cheating in NY and CA.

[Live and Learn]

123. Sorry, I don't speak for the campaign. Nor, am I paid by it unlike some Hillary supporters here. nt

[Buzz Clik]

125. Oh my.

[geek tragedy]

144. Denial stage. nt

[Live and Learn]

158. Assinine stage? nt

[geek tragedy]

159. Harsh way to judge yourself but have at it.

Maybe Alex Jones would be interested in your pet theory.

[Live and Learn]

160. I forgot, it isn't really just a stage with you.

WTF does Alex Jones have to do with anything. I am sure you know him much better than I do.

[geek tragedy]

161. The claim that Clinton is winning only because she's cheating

is Grade A crazy talk motivated by sore loserism.


Cheers!

[Live and Learn]

163. Nope, it is a fact and she hasn't won yet.

Not to mention, it is nothing to gloat about because if she wins we all lose. You included.

[SecularMotion]

93. K & R

[Sky Masterson]

94. Nobody believes Hillary is a good candidate.

She has a long record of cowardly votes and poll driven stances that can be mined from.
For every issue that made any difference in this world she was on BOTH sides of.
She lacks coursage and the proof is that when the whole country was riled up after 9/11 she fed into it with her "Flag Burning bill"
"Flag Protection Act of 2005
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Flag Protection Act of 2005 Great Seal of the United States

The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Robert Bennett. The law would have outlawed flag burning, and called for a punishment of one year in jail and a fine of $100,000.[1][2]

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, the act was summarized as such:

Amends the federal criminal code to revise provisions regarding desecration of the flag to prohibit: (1) destroying or damaging a U.S. flag with the primary purpose and intent to incite or produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace; or (2) stealing or knowingly converting the use of a U.S. flag either belonging to the United States or on lands reserved for the United States and intentionally destroying or damaging that flag.[3]

Since the law was not passed nor considered by the United States Congress, its constitutionality was not challenged by the Supreme Court; the bill was never assigned to committee.[4] However, the bill's language was designed so as to prohibit the desecration of a flag when the intent was found to be a threat to public safety, the intention being that it would therefore not violate the First Amendment and not be declared unconstitutional.[5]

Both co-sponsors of the bill voted against the most recent Flag Desecration Amendment of 2006.

This is NOT courage. This is Pandering to right-wing trash

[randome]

97. Nobody? Then why is she winning?

Politicians behave like politicians. Neither Clinton nor Sanders is perfect. I don't see why it's a problem to accept that idea.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Sky Masterson]

98. Because of the way the Primaries work

She hit the south hard where she is well known in delegate heavy states early on against a guy that nobody knew.
That is why she is winning. If the last 8 states were worth as much as the southern states that will go red in the General
Bernie would be tied or ahead.

[COLGATE4]

117. " If the last 8 states were worth as much as the southern states..."

Yep. And, as the saying goes, 'if my Grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon".

[Sky Masterson]

118. Am I wrong?

No. If your grandmother had wheels she would be in a wheelchair or in a car(Or Sitting in a Wagon).
Lets just say that if the last 8 states went before the south.
Bernie won them and by all rights would have been considered the front runner until we got to the south in which she would have cleaned up and used the Momentum card and been where she is now.

[COLGATE4]

132. Yes, you're wrong. nt

[Sky Masterson]

133. okay

Thank you for setting me strait.

[COLGATE4]

150. Glad to be of help.

[Sky Masterson]

172. Anytime

Your input was life sameing.

[jmowreader]

142. The last eight states have very low populations

The combined population of the last eight states to hold contests is 16.781 million. Of that, 7 million comes from Washington alone.

The population of Florida, which Hillary won easily, is 20.2 million.

And of the last eight states to hold contests, exactly three of them - Hawaii, Washington and Wisconsin - went for Obama in 2012.

If wishes were horses?

[Sky Masterson]

167. I'm talking Delegate count silly

What's in a name? That which we call a rose? By any other name would smell as sweet.

[jmowreader]

170. You mean the delegate count that shows her over 200 ahead?

Right now, Hillary leads Bernie in raw votes, pledged delegates, superdelegates and states won. And by close of business April 26, he will need a bona fide miracle to win the election - one he will not get because he kinda pissed off the Pope over the weekend.

[Sky Masterson]

171. No silly. and its 195 ahead

And I go back to my original statement.
And suggest that you are quite mistaken in your highly biased assessment.

[jmowreader]

173. My "highly biased assessment" is Bernie is going to get stomped on Tuesday night

He thinks so too: there's an e-mail from his campaign out that says "we don't need to win New York."

After the debacle with the Pope, the disaster that was the New York Daily News interview, and the general behavior of his supporters, Bernie will be very lucky to get out of New York with 30 percent of the vote. From there it only gets worse for him.

[creon]

128. who is nobody?

I never met anyone by that name.

[Sky Masterson]

129. Well I've never met a "creon"

Nice to meet you

[Umbral18]

96. Joe Biden had run. nt

[msanthrope]

99. I love you. nt

[Buzz Clik]

101. But, Nance, anyone who likes Hillary is ...

... yeah, you know.

K&R

[Octafish]

106. ...the United States had an honest news media.

Pretty corrupt when CIA can call the shots.

For starters:

Correspondence and collusion between the New York Times and the CIA

Mark Mazzetti's emails with the CIA expose the degradation of journalism that has lost the imperative to be a check to power

Glenn Greenwald
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 29 August 2012 14.58 EDT

EXCERPT...

But what is news in this disclosure are the newly released emails between Mark Mazzetti, the New York Times's national security and intelligence reporter, and CIA spokeswoman Marie Harf. The CIA had evidently heard that Maureen Dowd was planning to write a column on the CIA's role in pumping the film-makers with information about the Bin Laden raid in order to boost Obama's re-election chances, and was apparently worried about how Dowd's column would reflect on them. On 5 August 2011 (a Friday night), Harf wrote an email to Mazzetti with the subject line: "Any word??", suggesting, obviously, that she and Mazzetti had already discussed Dowd's impending column and she was expecting an update from the NYT reporter.

SNIP...

Even more amazing is the reaction of the newspaper's managing editor, Dean Baquet, to these revelations, as reported by Politico's Dylan Byers:

"New York Times Managing Editor Dean Baquet called POLITICO to explain the situation, but provided little clarity, saying he could not go into detail on the issue because it was an intelligence matter.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/29/correspondence-collusion-new-york-times-cia

These really are cursed interesting times. One really has to read foreign papers to get what should be in American newspapers, stuff like whatever happened to that scrap of paper thing, the Constitution?



An excellent overview of the impact Capitalism's Invisible Army makes on the "free press" and its import for democracy...

The covert “selling” of anticommunism

The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America

By Nancy Hanover
World Socialist Web Site, 17 August 2015

EXCERPT...

The Mighty Wurlitzer

The detailed and engrossing 2008 book, The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America, by Hugh Wilford, investigates the CIA’s ideological struggle from 1947 to 1967 to win “hearts and minds” for US capitalism and prosecute the Cold War.

SNIP...

Most important of all, the reader comes away with a sense of the immense significance attributed by the American ruling elite to the ideological struggle against socialism.

The author correctly emphasizes, “If anything, these practices have intensified in recent years, with the ‘war on terror’ recreating the conditions of total mobilization that prevailed in the first years of the Cold War.” He adds that the agency is “a growing force on campus.”[3]

The metaphor—a “Mighty Wurlitzer”—was coined by Frank Wisner, the head of the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), a paramilitary and psychological operations group created in 1948, which was folded into the CIA in 1951. He prided himself on directing the network of organizations to play any propaganda tune on demand, likening it to the world-famous theater organ.

The agency sought out those who might be predisposed in a socialistic direction, targeting constituencies that had grievances with the status quo. It selected representatives from ethnic groups, women, African-Americans, labor, intellectuals and academics, students, Catholics, and artists and organized them into various front groups to promote anticommunism. These links, in turn, provided the agency with the cover it needed to influence strategically important sectors of foreign populations.

Ironically, as the federal government was conducting its House Un-American Activities witch-hunts and assembling the attorney general’s List of Subversive Organizations, supposedly to ferret out Communist Party “front groups,” the CIA was busy doing precisely that—creating front groups of thousands of unwitting Americans for covert political operations.

CONTINUED...

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/08/17/wur1-a17.html

I've been on DU so long, I remember when you used to post stuff like this, NanceGreggs.

[mcar]

107. K&R

[Kentonio]

115. You want an 'if'?

Ok, if Bernie had the same name recognition as he does right now when the campaign started, he'd be winning comfortably. As a Hillary supporter that should tell you many things.

[Live and Learn]

124. +1000 nt

[pinebox]

119. Bernie would be winning if so many weren't easily sold on snake oil

You know, back in the day people were told that cigarettes were actually healthy.
It's amazing what marketing can do, despite FBI investigations, voting for cluster bombing, propping up your husbands welfare reform, on and on.
The more things change....

In fact I am going to make this my own OP

[creon]

127. Votes

Votes.
Votes in primaries are what wins delegates.
Delegates vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention.

[creon]

130. Sanders or Clinton

One of those two is going to be nominated.
One of those two is going to be the nominee of the Democratic Party.

The fans of the loser - either Sanders or Clinton - will be disappointed.

Then, in November, a POTUS will be elected.

Fans of the loser will have a decision to make in November.

What to do???

[HumanityExperiment]

131. Reality...

Your OP is telling...

By ALL standards this OP shouldn't have to have been posted and this late into the primary, by all standards HRC should have had this wrapped up LONGGGGGG ago

Your OP makes a statement not about how well and strong HRC is as a candidate but to how well and strong a candidate Bernie is and his trends to becoming stronger than HRC

So, as time and primaries continue on guess what the trends are telling the public, the closing of the gap between HRC and Bernie

The OP isn't meant for Bernie supporters it's meant for HRC supporters to distract them from the reality of situation as these primaries roll on

I love the fact Bernie, the candidate that started out with 3% has caused HRC and her supporters this much grief, this much consternation AND showed HRC and her supporters how weak she really is when it comes to issues for the people and how far to the right of the true liberal / progressive values she really is

HRC is republican light, and every debate and continuing primary puts that on display front and center

[floriduck]

134. As Cenk Uygur explained, she laundered her money through the state parties and the DNC.

That is how she "earned" her super delegates. And her supporters like her with each and every verified fault or deception she has displayed. In gambling terms, her supporters are not playing with a full deck. They deserve our pity.

[Lucinda]

140. Total nonsense. n/t

[riversedge]

145. I used to

watch TYT's but Cenk has gone completely over the top..

[ismnotwasm]

135. If if if... ad infinatum

[NurseJackie]

137. Except for the black voters and the women voters, Bernie is winning.

Or something like that.

[DemonGoddess]

138. ^^^This!!!

Oh, K&R for Nance, too!

[workinclasszero]

139. They don't like to say that out loud

Hence the code words "Deep South" and so forth.

[DrDan]

169. and if you add in votes from those who forgot to register

[aikoaiko]

155. Are you still upset that Bernie is running for the nomination?

Seems like it.

[NanceGreggs]

156. Yes, I am.

He wanted to run on the Dem ticket - to get the media coverage, as he's now admitted - and he's done nothing but trash the party and its members, just as he's done for the past 30+ years.

Bernie is the guy you invite into your home, who immediately starts telling you how lousy your decorating is, how uncomfortable the bed in the guest room is, how bad your meals are, and how you're obviously raising your children all wrong.

Well, it's been a lesson learned. I don't think we'll be seeing any Bernie-types being allowed to run on the Dem ticket any time in the foreseeable future.

[Haveadream]

162. He's the guy who moves into your house rent free

and refuses to work. He tells you how cheap you are while you support him and puts down your job that pays his bills.

I read another description: He's the guy who keys your car and then bums a ride.

A lot of Dems are not impressed with his freeloader attitude toward the party. People notice things like that and it could be another reason he isn't getting votes. NY appreciates loyalty and that is one quality he is not known for among Dems. We'll see how he does in NY. They've had plenty of time to get to know him.

[Warren DeMontague]

165. Yeah, if the lady who allies herself with sheldon adelson to send medical marijuana users to prison

Is still running the party organization, she'll probably try.

[Odin2005]

197. No, he's telling Republican DINOs like the Clintons to go join the party where they belong.

The "big tent" has no room for Republicans pretending to be Democrats. Bernie is trying to take the party back from the the Republicans like Hillary and Payday Loan Debbie (who actually HELPED REPUBLICANS!!!) infesting the party.

[Warren DeMontague]

164. She was supposed to have this thing in the bag months ago. She doesn't.

What do you suppose happened?

[ThePhilosopher04]

166. Lame

[DrDan]

168. If all those showing up to vote had actually registered appropriately and on-time

[workinclasszero]

174. You bernsplained it good!

Thanks!

[Hekate]

175. Thanks for that, Nance. I'm just catching up here

[northernsouthern]

176. Sorry were you saying something...

...about winning...

[NanceGreggs]

177. Your point being ... what? n/t

[northernsouthern]

179. Oh something about the tone of your post...

Reminded me about her, they way she also could not accept the events that were coming to pass. Reminded me me of the lady that yelled that we would not vote for Bernice Sanders, just I am seeing a trend of these posts that seem to be grasping at straws. Perhaps your candidate would be doing better if self-important indignation counted as votes. Good to know you are winning int he paid off super delegates designed just for this type of event. On the bright side if Hillary loses next time we can have a female candidate that you can vote for just based on gender and the rest of us can vote for based on issues, that way we both win?

[NanceGreggs]

180. This response ...

... is even more pointless than the first one.

[northernsouthern]

182. But still...

...less pointless than your post.

[NanceGreggs]

184. Sure, okay then. What ev. n/t

[northernsouthern]

185. Are you super sure?

To go with your super delegates?

[stonecutter357]

178. K&R!

[Odin2005]

195. More condescending BS fron Hillary supporters.