Reuters apparently messed up the Pope's translation on meeting with Bernie.

[northernsouthern]

Last edited Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:44 AM - Edit history (1)

Most of the start of the video is the same wit the new translation. But it changes as it goes on, no mention of a psychiatrist. Also he told Bernie something different.

Does this help or hurt Bernie?

[beam me up scottie]

1. I don't know, it could be very damaging.

[northernsouthern]

2. Will the HRC people attack Bernie for it?

I mean the fact the message is different? Will this change mean they may never let this issue go?

[beam me up scottie]

3. I hope they don't attack the pope over it.

I'm no fan but I would hate to see what he said used against Bernie.

[northernsouthern]

5. Great, I figured as much.

Well get ready for a bunch of hate mail and "I told you so"s from them.

[passiveporcupine]

10. I just got into it with someone in another thread,

who refused to accept that the meeting was prearranged, even with the link to the article where Sachs explains what happened...and of course I got a hide for what I said to the person who would not accept reality...who was being so profoundly stubborn and would not even accept what is coming from the Vatican. "Who should I believe, the Pope or Sachs" was the reply. Jesus!

I swear this place is making people crazy. It's sure starting to make me feel crazy.

[passiveporcupine]

20. Yes, you are right

But trying to talk to some of these people here is like talking to a three-year-old. You can offer them proof and you can walk them through it over and over again and still they refuse to believe.

I can't believe the numbers of threads on this trip to Rome. I am gratified that the proof is out now that Bernie never "lied" about anything about this trip, but it's still crazy making to have to put up with this brick wall.

According to the economist Jeffrey Sachs, who has also been attending the conference which ends today, the courtesy visit was prearranged. “Last night the meeting was scheduled for 6am this morning,” Sachs said in comments to CNA. “They had the chance to talk for several minutes.” No photographs were taken of the encounter.

He said the senator “thanked Pope Francis for his leadership on the moral economy and his leadership on climate change and he described how the Pope's leadership on climate change has made a vast difference in accelerating action on climate change.” He also expressed his gratitude to Pope Francis “for all of his moral leadership and his brave stances.”

Pope Francis “thanked the senator formally for coming to the Vatican and for participating in the meeting at the Academy,” Sachs recounted, adding that the Pope explained that an earlier start than expected this morning meant he couldn’t greet the conference participants last night as has had been originally planned. “He thanked the senator for understanding and appreciated that he had come and participated,” Sachs said. “The senator wished him well on today's journey and the Pope wished Senator Sanders and his wife very well and then the meeting concluded and the Pope left for Greece.”

Sachs said he believed that because the Pope couldn’t meet the conference participants last night, the Vatican “wanted to find a way to thank the senator for coming and to have this meeting, so in the evening the senator was told that it would be the meeting this morning.”

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/pope-francis-meets-bernie-sanders-vatican-confirms/#ixzz4633ABBnr

But of course Sachs is lying here because the Pope did not say all this to the reporters on the plane!

[northernsouthern]

54. I had not even noticed that.

Good point about Jeffrey Sachs, I wonder if the Pope is going to rebuke him too, it is the pope though, with forgiveness so it pretty much means he his never going to give up on any of us not matter what do.

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. The reasons that Americans abroad support Bernie is because they are not exposed to american disinfo

Our media is ONLY a business. You're being told that which keeps them profitable.

[cui bono]

63. And I'm sure that has a lot to do with different media coverage.

If this had been a fair fight, Bernie would be winning by now, no question about it. Hopefully there's enough time to turn it around, but with the media blackout and bias and with Hillary's racist "whisper" campaign, they sure got to keep their jump started lead due to her being known longer than they should have.

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[Barack_America]

32. Oh boy. WORST news I could have woken up to.

[Bonobo]

4. Everyone needs to see this! nt

[cui bono]

7. Out of the desire to get the truth out I have to rec, but I hope Hillary fans don't see this.

We'll never hear the end of it.

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[virtualobserver]

27. you are right....this video has the potential of ending Bernie's campaign

[.99center]

8. Why would the pope lie?

[Kalidurga]

9. Sorry about all the cussing at who leaked this information

and silly me I forgot to rec the first time around.

[northernsouthern]

13. I was there with you on this one.

I also was upset, but figured the sooner we posted on it the better before the election.

[Kalidurga]

14. The Pope isn't capable of lying

[Kalidurga]

19. Of course I lost you

That was quite intentional.

[northernsouthern]

17. He was mad at the reporter.

That is why he yelled it at him.

[bjo59]

16. Very funny!

The "translation" at the end of was very funny on its own (because it took a while to sink in) - didn't even need the blast of the song to finish off.

[northernsouthern]

24. Yeah sorry about that, I found a source with out the weird audio

This one doesn't have the guy's cell going off at the end.

[thesquanderer]

30. the "guy's cell going off at the end" is part of the joke.

The whole last part of the translation is a joke. It was changed to the lyrics of the song.

[Karma13612]

34. thank you! For me, the whole translation now becomes fabrication. eom

[bjo59]

77. "Oh my god, who leaked this???"

That's what I should have said - oops.

[northernsouthern]

79. I figure some one in the vatican

Someone that wants to do damage to the pope and bernie.

[merrily]

21. Gee another fake shootstorm from the media on this Vatican mission on behalf of the poor.

[northernsouthern]

22. I know we can call it fake.

But if they spin this new translation from the video they could hurt Bernie in the polls a little before the election Tuesday. They know the game, and they're gonna play it. I don't know, I guess I just felt I had to tell the DU how I'm feeling.

[merrily]

23. It's better than the first translation, so I don't see your concern.

What is obvious from both translations and from what Bernie said himself: neither of them wants any hint that the Pope is trying to meddle in US politics.

This whole kerfuffle is about trying to prove Bernie is a liar when Hillary is the one who polls untrustworthy.

In any event, it is what it is. Handwringing is not going to change it.

[snagglepuss]

25. For those who can't view the video what did Reuters misstate?

[oberliner]

26. Does Rick Astley realize that this is his legacy?

It must be quite an honor for him to be quoted so often.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

55. Legacy, hell! Does he get royalties each time it's played?

If he did, he'd be in the top 1%.

[oberliner]

62. It has raised his profile

I would assume he's utilized its popularity to his advantage in some way.

[northernsouthern]

70. This Rick guy must be proud.

To have the Pope talking about him so much. One of the other posters is saying he was at some parade, but it wsa all on google and I don't know how to use that so I am sure he must be cool.

[Squinch]

28. Very good! Shall we count how many in this thread didn't get it and just went on with their

deranged monomania without skipping a beat?

It's like a sickness.

Never going to give it up, I guess.

[FreakinDJ]

29. This is a vastly different interpretation

And yes - No mention of a psychiatrist

No it doesn't help nor hurt Bernie either way - but it does speak volumes towards the journalist who interjected the whole psychiatrist meme.

[snagglepuss]

31. Can you briefly explain what has happened as I'm unable to view it.

thnx

[Karma13612]

33. Well, I must have missed something-

first off, unless you know italian, I don't trust anyone's interpretation, least of all the subtitles included in this clip.

It ends with the lyrics to a song, along with the sound track, to said song.

At this point, I'm more confused than ever.

I believe what Bernie has stated happened. If I could find a reputable translation of what Pope Francis stated, then I could believe what the Pope said, and then I would expect the two accounts would match in spirit at least.

Most people in the US don't even know Bernie let the country and saw the Pope.

Thank you MSM, you never disappoint ( )

For those following Bernie closely, we know he is genuine. For those following Hillary, they will believe what they wish to believe. Most are very intelligent and believe it was a non-political exchange, I'm sure.

Once again, the Pope and Bernie are on the right side of history, but we create controversy because we need conflict in our lives.

Wears me out sometimes, seriously.

Hope everyone has a nice Sunday. Here in the Northeast we are finally enjoying some much needed sunshine and temperatures to match.

[djean111]

35. You know what really made the list of things that cheered me up this morning?

Beautiful day, heart-worm infested dog we rescued is doing well and so gentle and lovely, LOLcats, I still have two out of three of the FIOS services that got sold to Frontier (Frontier is astoundingly casual about people losing landlines for fucking weeks), house is quiet and calm - but the BEST thing is the thought of the many eager clicks this OP must be getting! And the disappointment.

[northernsouthern]

38. Heart worms?

That sucks, but catching it is a big thing. Is it all on the clear for that? I worked at a vets a little out of high school so I saw a few in for it. We had a little dog there that was incredibly viscous, you could only walk him by sitting down and catching him with the leash as he curled up on your lap? No clue why he would attack you if you got too close, but the second you sat down he wanted on your lap.

[djean111]

42. Oh, my Miss Charlotte is a gorgeous good-size (but kinda thin now) Sable German Shepherd.

She was left at the animal shelter because she has quite a case of heartworms. Luckily, there is a foundation that pays for treatment for dogs if someone will adopt them, because the treatment is kinda pricey - rather than just put the dog down. (Jagger's Dream).
Charlotte will get her first shot in a couple of weeks, then another a month after, and then another after that. She will be dangerously weak during that time. But - she is gentle, loving, housebroken, touches noses with my cats, and generally adds a layer of calmness and happiness to the household. Sappy but true. She is an escape artist every once in a while, but just goes a little down the block to play with some other dogs, and two little girls bring her home, no leash. She won't run out the front door, but will worm her way through a window. That little dog you speak of? Probably temperament, and probably weak.

We are told she may make it, she may not, but at least she will have had lots of love, and not been stuck in a cage until being put to sleep, and if she pulls through - wondrous dog indeed!

[northernsouthern]

44. Yeah the pound is not a way to go for an animal.

It is I am sure the fact you have given her a good place may reduce the stress level and that will give her a better chance than she would have had with out. I hope she pulls through.

[cui bono]

64. Aw... what a sweet story. I hope she makes it!

I started feeding another stray cat who decided to meow outside my back door every morning. I took in two from my yard already and they are adorable. One actually had a 'home' on the next block but the woman basically ignored it, just put food outside for him. She said he refused to stay inside but she lived in a guest house with 2 other cats so I suspect they bullied him and the place was too small to have his own space. He LOVES it at my place even though the other cat I have is a brat and swipes at him from time to time. They are both allowed out during the day and come in when I call them.

This new one will be trapped by someone who works with a rescue place and checked at the vet for microchip, spay/neuter (and get fixed if necessary), worms, and then I think the rescue place will try to find it a home. I don't think it's catch and release, but if it is I'll keep feeding him and try to find him a home.

S/he hisses at me as I put the food down but lets me pet it lightly while it eats and a couple times even when I didn't give it food. Hopefully it gets a home where it can relax and not be so defensive.

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[apcalc]

36. The pope

Taxes,speeches

To me , all diversions from issues of import.

STRAW MEN

[me b zola]

37. I don't know, but people should view and make up their own minds

[northernsouthern]

39. I agreed, it seemed too important with the election so close

I was going to post it in the Bernie only group, but figured it was better to get everyone opinions as they would see at some point (band-aide all off at once). From the looks of it it some people are taking it well, not too many negative I told you sos from the other camp (if they have even watched it), and a few people that even seem to think it is a joke. I am just happy no one has had a post hidden, but we all read the TOS, so they know the rules and so do I.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. They didn't mess it up, they changed it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511757215

"... and he had the courtesy to greet me" means, I asked him to meet me.

" ... and I had the kindness to greet him and his wife." means, he dropped in on me unannounced, so I tolerated him for a few minutes.

The US press are not interested in truth. They're interested in the profits that Hillary promises.

[northernsouthern]

45. You are right and wrong.

They it has to do with is subtle references towards then end that "supposedly" changes everything.

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. This is about the rickroll... I get that.

I'm saying that I don't find it especially funny considering what reuters has done.

[northernsouthern]

47. I guess you could call it a roll of sorts.

The fact they say one thing and then it turns out going another path. Still doesn't change the whole fact of the newer meaning regardless.

[R B Garr]

49. That looks like Sanders really embarrassed the Pope and put him in an awkward

position. I would say embarrassing someone and putting them in an awkward position does not "help" Bernie.

[northernsouthern]

50. I think he may have, but...

...what did he mean with his last few lines? I still am on the fence about it.

[R B Garr]

51. I took it that he had to make nice. He was put in a position of having to explain himself,

so he had to cover his bases with everyone. He sure doesn't look happy about being put in that position.

[northernsouthern]

52. I could see that.

It just seemed in the newer translation that is was way more out of left field an he never said the psychiatrist line after all...which blew my mind. They apparently misunderstood a colloquial common in the neighborhood of Buenos Aires where the pope grew up as a child. But I am sure some people are never gonna give up on this.

[JDPriestly]

66. The Pope was clearly embarrassed by the press's overreaction to what was a normal human

and very loving exchange from one man, the Pope to another, Bernie Sanders of admiration and appreciation for taking an unpopular but utterly necessary stand on the need for economic justice in our world.

Those who don't get this probably don't understand Italian. But then most Americans don't understand Italian. In fact most Americans don't speak any language really other than English.

Ignorance is bliss. The Pope supports the movement that is pushing toward more economic justice. So does Bernie. The attention being paid to the meeting between the Pope and Bernie is good for both of them because it will draw attention to their mutual effort to improve life for many millions of people on our planet which is now besieged by greed.

[R B Garr]

67. You don't speak for the Pope when his body language is easily deciphered. The only

reason the Press was hounding him was because Bernie put him in an awkward position.

I doubt many Catholics like to see their Pope put in an awkward position so Bernie can get good press while the Pope gets bad press. Yeah, ignorance is bliss, all right.

[northernsouthern]

69. But what was with what he said?

They didn't seem to be hounding him, he said he would never let (Bernie) you down? That means he liked him?

[R B Garr]

71. lol, like the Pope is going to go berserk on Bernie. How naive. It's obvious he was under pressure

to be politically correct.

[northernsouthern]

72. I am not sure you even watched the video?

His last few lines did not seem that way to me. Can you please explain it? You know the translation was "updated" , but that made it even harder for me to understand.

[R B Garr]

73. Yes, I watched the video. That's why I commented on what an awkward position

Sanders put the Pope in with the Press.

[northernsouthern]

74. Yes but ...

What is the final line, you keep not telling me, and that is why I am asking. I think you are not watching it, because it is confusing me to no end. What does it mean? It is two sentences or something, but I can't get it to pause to read it. That is why I am asking for help.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. "It was good manners as anyone can see." Yeah, how embarrassing.

[Zorra]

53. *sigh*...I'm heartbroken. Our political revolution is already crushed by this revelation.

[OilemFirchen]

56. Sanders supporters being punked.

Who could have seen that coming?

[northernsouthern]

57. I didn't quite think he was punking them

I though it was partially a rebuking of the press but those last lines were very harsh.

[OilemFirchen]

58. Waxing philosophical over a Rickroll is pretty hilarious.

Is is really never gonna give you up?

[northernsouthern]

59. I have no clue who the ?Rick? person is you speak of.

All I know is the pope, like you said, is never gonna give up on us. I thought that was the nicest part of his message.

[OilemFirchen]

60. Yes. That's obvious.

Use the google.

[northernsouthern]

61. I tied to.

I actually did try using it, but my browser (win 2000 still) is a bit old and google crashes it. That is why I use mostly this site. That is why I was asking you. Why do you gotta be so rude, don't you know I am a democrat too? Can't you give me the link anyways?

[OilemFirchen]

65. 'Kay.

Rickrolling

Rickrolling is a prank and an Internet meme involving an unexpected appearance of the music video for the 1987 Rick Astley song "Never Gonna Give You Up". The meme is a type of bait and switch using a disguised hyperlink. Those led to the music video believing that they were accessing some unrelated material are said to have been rickrolled. The trend has extended to disruptive or humorous appearances of the song in other situations, such as a live appearance of Astley himself in the 2008 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York.

[northernsouthern]

68. What does the video have to do with the Parade?

I don't get it did the pope say it or not?

[MFM008]

76. Still trying to parse this thing ?

[northernsouthern]

78. The Berinie crowd is giving it some solid looks

But the HRC crowd are not posting for some reason, I expect more gloating from them. o maybe it is not as bad as I thought. The only two that have responded I don't think actually watched this version with the newer translation.