2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWomen who have experienced gender discrimination are more likely to support @HillaryClinton by 20 pt
Wellesley Women 4HRC ?@WW4Hillary 9h9 hours ago
Women who have experienced gender discrimination are more likely to support @HillaryClinton by 20 pts http://bluenationreview.com/gender-discrimination-a-key-factor-in-support-for-hillary/ #ShesWithUs
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http://bluenationreview.com/gender-discrimination-a-key-factor-in-support-for-hillary/
.................Heres the interesting part, to me. They found that young women who have had to deal with discrimination and child care are just as likely to support Hillary as older women.
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In fact, at every age group, except for those over 50, Hillary supporters report higher levels of discrimination than Bernie voters. In most age groups, Hillary supporters also report higher levels of child-care responsibilities affecting their lives.
Young women dont have it easy. They were very hard hit by the recession, and they struggle under the burden of crushing student debt. As they hit the gender gap in pay and suffer from mommy track treatment; as they personally experience the financial and career hurdles of sexism, theyre more likely to factor those things as the basis for a valid electoral choice.
And according to this research, they are more likely to become Hillary voters.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Knows what it is like to have the doors closed simply because she is a woman.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Link?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)LOL
poor $hillary
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I liked this comment that was on the original story.
4/12/2016 7:46 PM EST [Edited]
I don't support Clinton because her POLICIES are worse for all women. Electing her in and of itself will do nothing to help women. That's the trickle down female empowerment argument.
It's not about having the right genitals, it's about removing artificial barriers to success like lack of access to education or a living wage. How are women supposed to better themselves when their wage doesn't cover childcare costs when they want to work full time (Bernie supports a $15 min wage) and they can't afford college tuition (Bernie supports subsidized higher education)? Sanders is running on a platform of addressing institutionalized inequality, which is what stands in the way of women and minorities performing to their full potential.
I support Sanders because I am a feminist and I want ALL women to have an equal playing field, not just wealthy white women who want to get to the next level.
athena
(4,187 posts)before supporting the man who:
1. does not consider abortion a high-priority issue
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-abortion
2. and has zero women among the top ten highest-paid staffers on his campaign.
http://theslot.jezebel.com/an-investigation-which-presidential-campaigns-have-the-1762895557
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)You are aware your link says Sanders pays women more then men?
athena
(4,187 posts)Here is an explanation I posted of this. It seems to go over the heads of those who don't understand what "statistically significant" means.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1607526
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Isn't equality about paying being statistically significantly equal? Isn't Sanders practicing equality in his organization since men and women are paid basically the same wages regardless of gender...
Where has your poutrage been over the revelation the Clinton Foundation paid women a statistically significant amount of money less than men (in line with the national average of 79 cents on the dollar)
athena
(4,187 posts)You didn't bother to read my post, did you? Because I never made the argument you claim I made.
Zero women among the top ten highest paid staffers is not a statistical fluctuation. That is discrimination, pure and simple.
As for pay rate, both Hillary and Bernie appear to pay men and women equally on average, although one would have to see the details before concluding that this is the case. I explained this clearly in the post I linked.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)with her varied stances on policy and very familiar with her character.
athena
(4,187 posts)You ignore the content of my post and claim you are "very familiar" with Hillary's policies. If so, please go ahead and explain, with specifics, why you believe Bernie would be better on women's issues than men, when his record on these issues is practically non-existent compared to Hillary's lengthy record of involvement.
Saying that a rising tide lifts all boats won't fly. Minorities have known for a long time that a rising tide seems to lift the dominant majority's boats much more than the minority's boats.
Those of us who believe Hillary is much better on women's issues have shown the evidence on which we base this belief. If you want to tell us we're wrong, please provide some evidence. Otherwise, your claims are baseless.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That wasn't true.
Then you claimed he paid his women staffers less than men and that wasn't true.
Now you expect us to just take your word for it?
Hillary's record on triangulation when it comes to civil rights for minorities and women is well known, that's why we don't trust her.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)will feel differently in ten years. Many of them will even claim they voted for Hillary and supported her from the start.
Sexism is mostly theoretical when you're in your twenties; it seems like something you can sidestep by refusing to fit the traditional female stereotype. It's in your thirties that you realize it's not something any woman can "opt out" of, that it has hurt you and will never stop hurting you.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Also I have been thinking quite a bit about how far we have come ( tho not far enough) .
Thank goodness for women like Bella Abzug, Gloria Steinham, and yes, Hilllary Clinton, for paving the way for equality.
There is still much to do.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)aren't rejecting feminism, they are rejecting Hillary.
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)They are the best.
jmg257
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I was so moved when I watched the powerful new video featuring Bill Clinton talking
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djean111
(14,255 posts)programmer when there were very few of those.
I don't support Hillary because of her penchant for war, fracking, the TPP, meddling in other countries militarily and politically, her Third Way weaseling about Social Security and health care. Her being a woman means nothing, next to those things. I would not support a man who was on her side of those issues; to think I would support a Third Way hawk because of gender is insulting.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Face it, young women aren't buying the Hillary hype and no amount of insulting or exploitation from her personal media outlet is going to change that.
riversedge
(70,259 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Just wondering if they are taking in to account all those women in hell, and such.
Demsrule86
(68,613 posts)We watched her be criticized for pantsuits,hair, tone-you name it...she is being attacked by misogynists and still standing strong...