2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFor Hillary, it's all about marketing
It truly is.
In fact I can relate to this to a time in history when American's sold snake oil and told that cigarettes were actually healthy.Yup they were and these old ads often used doctors saying they were. This is what we're seeing today with the Hillary campaign, marketing. Is it genius? Yup it is, it truly is because millions have been sold on her despite her record and despite that she is the weaker of the 2 candidates in a general election. In fact, the whole thing reminds me of some of those "As seen on TV" ads.
Despite Hillary voting for cluster bombing, propping up her husbands welfare reform, voting for Iraq, being against a living wage and true universal health care and the host of other things including an ongoing FBI investigation, she gets a pass. What would happen to any of us if we went to a job interview and told our prospective employer we were being investigated by the FBI?
Marketing. It's a powerful tool. It makes people believe that McDonald's > BK > Wendy's. It's advertising and for any of you who watched the tv show "Man Men", you know precisely what I'm talking about.
People mark every day for it. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Here are some gems from the past for you all. Yup, that's all it is, marketing. And people eat it up just like the "Shake Weight" which sold millions of units through your tv set. The only difference this time is it's about one certain presidential candidate--HILLARY.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)People have been sold on her. It's the biggest makeover in the history of man kind but in the end, it's all just marketing and makeup
FarPoint
(12,334 posts)I find such spamming trash talk offensive. As a Democrat.... I will not embrace the obnoxious, hurtful rhetoric of late on DU. It's wrong, non productive for our Democratic Candidate for the General Election.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)who support candidates who have more baggage than Samsonite produces in a year.
FarPoint
(12,334 posts)Hillary is and soon will officially be the Democratic Nominee dispite the GOP efforts to make Sanders their choice candidate to run against.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Sorry but she is a emoprog.
Pro death penalty?
She voted for offshore drilling
Iraq
Was against gay marriage until a few years ago
On and on.
Sorry but the GOP's dream candidate is Hillary. Do you know why? It's simple. They will win because Hillary has zero indy support. Overall she is the weakest of the 2 candidates. One only needs to look at her numbers to see the majority of American's don't trust her. You can try and spin that and ignore that all you want but it doesn't change facts just like how protesters threw money at her as her motorcade passed them this weekend; people can't stand her.
astrophuss42
(290 posts)I now realize how I have been taken for a fool. Drank Coke and smoked Marlboro for decades. I'd take it all back if I could.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Diet Coke is worse than the real thing.
Yup, lied to for years, just like sniper fire.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)But it's so good, and it's diet, and it doesn't have any calories. And I can drink as much as I want without getting fat! and, and, and
DrDan
(20,411 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)for political expediency.
See, you're EXACTLY the type I mentioned here. Thank you for illustrating it to us all.
Case study closed.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)1. Bait and switch -- demanding that Sanders supporters convert when the inevitable happens
2. Bandwagon -- Claiming that ALL women support Hillary (or they will go to "a special place in Hell" . Same for "the Black vote." Also by saying "Bernie's not a Democrat."
3. Glittering Generalities -- Using vague terms like "breaking barriers" and "knock off the shenanigans" to avoid saying anything we can disagree with or fact check.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)In fact, Bernie has done a much better job of branding himself than Hillary has
Not really sure what your point is here
pinebox
(5,761 posts)You've been sold snake oil despite the evidence showing that.
On every single major issue except the death penalty, Hillary has wavered on and switched for political expediency.
It is what it is. Not to mention that the majority of American's can't stand her. She's a minus -24 in favorability ratings.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Seems like a convoluted way to make a simple point
Sancho
(9,067 posts)and in fact, Bernie has outspent Hillary in every losing effort!
http://www.politico.com/blogs/5-political-numbers-to-watch/2016/04/new-york-primary-numbers-222037
Meanwhile, Bernie is getting money from unknown sources?
https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/new-fec-tells-bernie-2016-to-account-for-10m/
Bernie still gets his message out in rallies, on TV (MSNBC has been a big Bernie commercial on Morning Joke today). His bash and trash campaign isn't working.
The problem for Bernie is that people don't buy his snake oil, and all the money and ads in the world won't change the facts: he is the weaker candidate who doesn't reflect Democratic values. Therefore, he can't win. He is losing by votes, delegates, endorsements, and total money. It's going to get worse for Bernie in April.
If there was a mercy rule in politics, they would call off this primary.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)http://gawker.com/hillary-clintons-super-pac-is-about-to-drop-35-million-1771550207
The fact is this; Hillary is permanently damaged. From an ongoing FBI investigation to shady weapons deals to Saudi Arabia which benefited the Clinton Foundation to things like Honduras and Colombia.
She is a -24 in terms of favorability. Bernie is a +9. That is a 33 point spread and how do you think that is going to look in a general election should Hillary be the nominee when most of America hates her? That should scare the living hell out of you because Hillary has zero indy support. That is a fact and indy's are the largest voting block. That is a loss.
You say Bernie is the weaker candidate yet in a general, he is stronger than Hillary according to polling. Isn't that what matters? The general? Yup. And no, Bernie isn't selling snake oil, he's selling what other countries have and done, something which scares the heck out of you. From Canada to Germany to Sweden, they have done and shown what's possible despite conservative opposition. Bernie doesn't reflect Democratic values? Sorry but he's more of a Dem than Hillary ever has been. It's Third Way vs FDR "New Deal" progressives. I'm not concerned about the 1%, I'm concerned about the Walmart worker who isn't making it.
You did do something though, you showed us all exactly what makes up the type of person who is a mark out for Hillary's campaign. Thanks for that.
Show us please where Bernie has lost endorsements.
Seriously, look at your candidate and see what's up.
That's all I ask.
Ask yourself why you're supporting this?
Broward
(1,976 posts)Do we stand a chance when people are so susceptible to false advertising? To reiterate a point that has been made here before. Many here used to mock the Repubs for voting against their self interests, but this phenomenon is just as prevalent in our Party.