Why don't you support Bernie Sanders?

[boston bean]

I've got many.

Main one is that while his ideas have some merit (although many high pie in the sky), he believes only his way is right and paints all other democrats as compromised and corrupt.

I just do not find that to be good character. Smearing people who have done good work and completed great goals in attempts to propel himself politically. Believe me he aint all that.

It's a real fucking turn off.

You have a reason? type it in below.

[artyteacher]

1. hea not really a democrat for one .... eom

[daleanime]

2. How much voice do most americans have in our government today?

[Human101948]

80. Answer: Close to Zero...US is an oligarchy...

and Hillary is part of that oligarchy--

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
The US is dominated by a rich and powerful elite.
So concludes a recent study by Princeton University Prof Martin Gilens and Northwestern University Prof Benjamin I Page.
This is not news, you say.
Perhaps, but the two professors have conducted exhaustive research to try to present data-driven support for this conclusion. Here's how they explain it:
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

[daleanime]

99. And her fans know this....

it's why they didn't brother to answer.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

3. I like it when corruption is exposed. I guess we're very different people.

[Lil Missy]

4. I want someone who can get things done. Not to mention she is by far the most qualified.

Many other reasons.

[The Old Lie]

69. She gets things done?

Not exactly. She led the Senate into passing the names of the post offices and a highway.

Bernie, however, led with a major VA reform change that is still being discussed in many think tanks as a form of bipartianship. He is also well-known for his many amendments for betterment to get other people to vote for the bill and does quite well.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/

[CrowCityDem]

5. I don't like him using the party, but that's not it...

For me, it comes down to the fact that he talks in bumper-sticker platitudes, and seems to be utterly uninterested in the after-effects of his proposals.

What happens if red states don't go along with his tuition plan? He doesn't know.

What happens in the short-term if we eliminate fracking and nuclear power? Eh, we'll find cheap power somewhere, I guess.

What happens to our economy if the banks are broken up, and the entire health insurance industry is put out of business? He doesn't care.

Those are massive questions, and the fact that he either doesn't know, or doesn't care to know, what happens if his plans actually get put in place, just tells me that he never thought them out. He ran a campaign never thinking he could win, and therefore his policies never had to make sense.

[boston bean]

10. +100

[uponit7771]

48. +1, anger is a motivator and not a plan

[Armstead]

115. Broken up Mega Banks would still be banks

Just smaller...their activities and staff would be easily absorbed by their spin-offs or otehr institutions that would fill the competitive opportunities that are opened up.

Gee a more competitive and broadly based system again, not smothered by Huge Monopolistic banks. How awful.

Insurance companies no longer controlling the health system. But there will still be a need for the people within them to manage and administer a public system, either as public employers or contractors.

[NurseJackie]

6. If I listed all my reasons, I fear that my post would be hidden.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. In other words, you have nothing

or else you would.....

[boston bean]

12. Seemed pretty clear to me she does have reasons.

Just didn't want to risk a hide.

It was completely clear in her posting.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Seems clear she has no reasons and wants to insinuate all sorts of shit about other people without

any reasons. It's a hyper classic McCarthyist trope. It's the 'I have in my hand a list of names' trope. It's the most McCarthy of all McCarthyist tactics. 'I have evidence against you which is too explosive to show to anyone, you are that guilty!!!!'

Cheap ass tawdry ass back dated 1950' off the rack political crap.

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. ^^^ That nails it ^^^

...perfectly

[Bluenorthwest]

29. I was being kind, the alternative explanation for having 'reasons that would get hidden' is that the

reasons are bigoted as some Bernie bashing posters here have been found out in the end to be.
'If I State my reasons people will not like my reasons' often means those reasons are inherently not likeable.

So it's either a fake or a cover for bigotry, neither is good.

[boston bean]

27. That's a little paranoid, don't you think?

[TheCowsCameHome]

31. Same tactic, when it was used back then.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. No I think it is spot on. " I have reasons I can not list" is classic McCarthy. The other options

for not stating one's reasons are that those reasons are bigoted and socially unacceptable, we have seen a few Bernie bashers who 'would not say' why they bashed him who were found to be antisemitic.

Or that poster is just paranoid. 'I'm being watched and if I speak my mind it will be unfairly hidden!!! The windows, step away from the windows!!!!'


I'm assuming the first. But it could be any or a combo.

[rock]

46. LLOL

LITERAL LOL. Literally I did LOL!

[hellofromreddit]

96. Never stopped you before. What's special about today?

[Kip Humphrey]

7. Smear? Did you say smear??? Ha! What great irony!

[Gothmog]

16. Imagine Bernie Sanders wins the White House. Then what?

I live in the real world and have to deal with real world issues. Sanders' proposals are really sad in that they have zero chance of passage. Sanders' revolution has been a bust and there is no way that Sanders could ever hope to adopt his plans. Sanders' plans for adopting his proposals depend on these new voters. Here is how Sanders thinks that he will be able to force the GOP to be reasonable http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/21/1483791/-Imagine-Bernie-Sanders-wins-the-White-House-Then-what

Bernie Sanders has made some very big promises when it comes to his legislative priorities: He says he’ll make college free, pass a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United, and institute a generous single-payer national health insurance program. And when he’s asked how he’ll turn these promises into reality, he says that he and his supporters will help bring about a “political revolution.”

That’s a phrase Sanders uses often, but what does he mean by it? Sanders has said that if he wins the presidency, his victory will be accompanied by a “huge increase in voter turnout”—one that he thinks might end Republican control of Congress. But Sanders acknowledges that the House and Senate could, in spite of his best efforts, remain in GOP hands come next January.

Given that likelihood, Sanders offers an alternate means for achieving his political revolution. He says he knows that a Democratic president can’t simply “sit down and negotiate” with Republican leaders and forge a series of compromises. Anyone who's observed the GOP’s behavior over the course of Barack Obama’s presidency would not dispute that, and in any event, no compromise with Republicans would ever lead to single-payer anyway.

So what then? How would a President Sanders get Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan to pass any of his big-ticket items? This is the model he proposes:

What we do is you put an issue before Congress, let’s just use free tuition at public colleges and universities, and that vote is going to take place on November 8 ... whatever it may be. We tell millions and millions of people, young people and their parents, there is going to be a vote ... half the people don’t know what’s going on ... but we tell them when the vote is, maybe we welcome a million young people to Washington, D.C. to say hello to their members of Congress. Maybe we have the telephones and the e-mails flying all over the place so that everybody in America will know how their representative is voting. [...]

And then Republicans are going to have to make a decision. Then they’re going to have to make a decision. You know, when thousands of young people in their district are saying, “You vote against this, you’re out of your job, because we know what’s going on.” So this gets back to what a political revolution is about, is bringing people in touch with the Congress, not having that huge wall. That’s how you bring about change.

The rest of the DK article debunks that concept that Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell could be influenced by these new voters but we never get to this issue and Sanders himself admits that he will not bet elected without this revolution. So far we are not seeing any evidence of this revolution. Again, Sanders's whole campaign is based on this revolution and so it is appropriate to ask where these new voters are?

It is hard for me to take Sanders' proposals seriously including the ones you want to talk about unless and until we see some evidence of this revolution.

Again, where are these millions and millions of new voters?

[IamMab]

20. I had a comment hidden today for mentioning this strategy, so watch out.

The BS juries are on patrol, hiding everything they can get their hands on with their 4-3 decisions.

[Kip Humphrey]

23. ...Noted. Thanks.

[LiberalFighter]

74. How does Sanders achieve his political revolution?

When he has not attained a "huge increase in voter turnout". Voter turnout of states already completed for Sanders was only about 6.3 million compared to over 9.5 million Clinton in 2008. Clinton had just under 1 million fewer voters than Obama based on states already completed.

What have the Bernie rallies accomplished for his campaigned? Why hasn't the revolution given Sanders a lead in delegates?

About those millions and millions of new voters. It is a figment of Bernie's imagination. If he had the revolution the numbers would be over 10 million but it is nothing close.

[Broward]

8. Pie in the sky? Despite opposition from right-wingers, including Hillary, the

fight for marriage equality was won and a $15 minimum wage is getting traction. Obviously, there are no guarantees but if people actually fight things can get done.

[bettyellen]

56. the fight for marriage equality has been winning because we took incremental steps to get there.

we're not all the way there yet- as we have seen recent attempts to criminalize homosexuality. Some states suck on these issues, some suck on healthcare and education.

[CorkySt.Clair]

11. The Obama bashing

Bernie wanted PBO fired in 2012 and his sanctimonious supporters can't stand him. And frankly, I think he's kind of a jerk who wouldn't be able to get his pie in the sky ideas advanced in congress. he wouldn't be able to get anything done. I also don't think he is presidential in his appearance with the hair and piles of dandruff on his shoulders, which is pretty gross if you're watching on an HDTV.

[uponit7771]

58. +1, Cornell West was a slap in the face

[Gothmog]

13. Sanders' attacks on President Obama are a great reason to not support him

[Gothmog]

43. There are good reasons why Sanders is not appealing to African American and other voters

There is a vast difference in how Sanders supporters and Sanders view President Obama and how other Democrats view President Obama. I admit that I am impressed with the amount accomplished by President Obama in face of the stiff GOP opposition to every one of his proposals and I personally believe that President Obama has been a great President. It seems that this view colors who I am supporting in the primary http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-obama_us_56aa378de4b05e4e3703753a?utm_hp_ref=politics

But lurking behind this argument about the future is a dispute that's really about the past. It’s a debate over what Obama accomplished in office -- in particular, how significant those accomplishments really are. And it's been simmering on the left for most of the last seven years.

On one side of this divide are activists and intellectuals who are ambivalent, disappointed or flat-out frustrated with what Obama has gotten done. They acknowledge what they consider modest achievements -- like helping some of the uninsured and preventing the Great Recession from becoming another Great Depression. But they are convinced that the president could have accomplished much more if only he’d fought harder for his agenda and been less quick to compromise.

They dwell on the opportunities missed, like the lack of a public option in health care reform or the failure to break up the big banks. They want those things now -- and more. In Sanders, they are hearing a candidate who thinks the same way.

On the other side are partisans and thinkers who consider Obama's achievements substantial, even historic. They acknowledge that his victories were partial and his legislation flawed. This group recognizes that there are still millions of people struggling to find good jobs or pay their medical bills, and that the planet is still on a path to catastrophically high temperatures. But they see in the last seven years major advances in the liberal crusade to bolster economic security for the poor and middle class. They think the progress on climate change is real, and likely to beget more in the future.

It seems that many of the Sanders supporters hold a different view of President Obama which is also a leading reason why Sanders is not exciting African American voters. Again, it may be difficult for Sanders to appeal to African American voters when one of the premises of his campaign is that Sanders does not think that President Obama is a progressive or a good POTUS.

Again, I am not ashamed to admit that I like President Obama and think that he has accomplished a great deal which is why I do not mind Hillary Clinton promising to continue President Obama's legacy. There are valid reasons why many non-African American democrats (myself included) and many African American Democratic voters are not supporting Sanders.

I understand why Sanders supporters dislike talking about demographics but the fact remain that Sanders supporters tend to not like President Obama and that dislike affects the amount of support that Sanders is getting from certain demographic groups.

[uponit7771]

61. +1

[uponit7771]

62. no plan = pie in the sky

[tularetom]

15. He has failed to call for the immediate arrest of Bill and Hillary Clinton on money laundering

and corruption charges.

[Hiraeth]

41. IKR

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Look, the vast, decided and defining majority of Democrats voted for DOMA and other bad and bigoted

legislation because they were compromised and corrupt. This Party failed to do the right things repeatedly because of corruption compromising the integrity of the process and denying the people of their rightful representation.

Far too many Democrats voted for Bush's War of Choice as well. Compromised with the most corrupt political family in the country and we might never recover from that failure.

Where I see a lack of character is in those who do not call out the bad legislation and the corrupted and compromised representation, those who defend and even cheer for politicians who do the wrong things simply because they are in the same Party.

You know who smeared good people in order to propel themselves politically? The DOMA yes voters, that's who. The DOMA proponents. Most of this Party, and you would hold them up as above criticism for those smears and attacks upon civil rights and equal standing under the law.

This is getting tiresome.

[CorkySt.Clair]

30. Paul Wellstone was compromised and corrupt?

He also voted for DOMA.

[Bluenorthwest]

36. He sure as shit compromised with anti equality forces to protect his own ass with that vote.

So yeah. He made rotten compromises in service to his own agenda at at great cost to good people who had never done him a bit of harm. Got a problem with that? Corky?

[CorkySt.Clair]

38. No problem at all

I actually like it when strident and irrational viewpoints are exposed here for all to see.

it's no surprise to see a Berner slur a Democrat. Even one who led the fight against the Iraq war.

[IamMab]

18. His snobbery and self-righteousness are too much for me. He made a career of safe votes from his...

safe Vermont seat, where he chose to build his career instead of in a diverse city like NYC. His brand is a sham, and I've seen through it.

[IamMab]

26. It happens to be true, though. nt

[IamMab]

40. I'm basing this on the timeline.

He was involved in the civil rights movement, until he got arrested and his grades started dropping. Then, after he graduated, he went right back to NYC. Until NYC began to get more diverse, then he actively chose to move to a state that was predominantly white, where minorities were not moving because it was too rural, and that's where he made his home and built his career.

I'm also going by what African-American leaders in Vermont have said, when quoted stating that they couldn't get Bernie Sanders to meet with them to discuss African-American issues inside their own state.

I'm sorry that I don't count a few years of activism that took place over 45 years ago to be some kind of life-long get-out-of-racism-free card. It would appear that the leftist ideology that he picked up in Vermont overwrote any concerns he had about civil rights over the years, because he is focused solely on class, and not race. (It's the whole thing costing him support from African-Americans in the first place.)

And he's wrong to think that the class struggle just automatically covers the racial struggle as well, because the New Deal itself didn't benefit African-Americans the same way it did white Americans. And that's historical fact. He's trying to sell African-American voters on a system of reforms that never benefited them the first time they were attempted, with no different plan for making sure that doesn't happen again. Conscious or not, racial justice is Bernie's biggest blind spot, and it will cost him the nomination.

[IamMab]

55. No, systemic racism will prevent Bernie's plans from benefiting "everyone.." That's the point.

His racial blind spot is preventing him from acknowledging the truth.

Sorry (not sorry) that my opposition to Bernie Sanders causes you such an emotional response, but that is outside of my control. I'm just not willing to suspend reality enough to get behind him as others have clearly done.

[IamMab]

72. Cute how you get to pretend progress where it suits you.

Having an African-American President didn't end racism. That's something I'd expect to hear on Fox, not DU.

But sure, continue to dismiss racial concerns. Just like your candidate of choice. It's not like it's costing you the support of a majority of African-American voters or anything.

[IamMab]

87. You weren't going to support us anyway.

So we're not worried there.

Also, goodbye forever.

[uponit7771]

63. +1,....Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..."

[DrDan]

21. he does not have a track-record of getting things done

3 bills sponsored and passed in 25 years - 2 renaming post offices and one vets bill. I don't think he has the support to get any initiatives passed. That's why he relies on amendments - somebody else provides their name and support structure to move the bills along.

His initiatives are giant leaps - not small reasonable steps.

He is not helping down-ticket candidates. If any are elected, why should they support him - he did nothing for them.

He will be an ineffective leader.

[uponit7771]

65. +1 !!! No record of "revolution"

[SoLeftIAmRight]

109. Roll Tide - 4 out of the last 7

...

[firebrand80]

32. Because I prefer Hillary nt

[Onlooker]

35. Because of his supporters ...

... I like Bernie a lot and supported him until recently, but his supporters seem to look upon him as a pure messianic individual who can do no wrong. Too many of his supporters are in my opinion sexist and even racist. I've seen threads in this forum calling blacks in the south irrelevant or low information voters, for instance. I've seen posts in this forum that defend the allusion to using the phrase "corporate whore" to describe Hillary or complaining about her cackling, her smirk, and so on.

But, also, Bernie and Hillary are not that far apart on any issues and that's why they keep dredging up things from the past. While Hillary is more pragmatic, Bernie is more idealistic, but if either one gets elected they will be compelled to work with the realities that confront them, especially a more than likely Republican House of Representatives. We know how the Clintons deal with that -- they negotiate everything and try to get something. We see how Obama dealt with it -- refusing to budge, but using his power as president to enact modest reform. Not sure how Bernie will deal with it.

[livetohike]

37. He hasn't accomplished anything in 25 years and isn't intetested

in starting now. If Ed Schultz hadn't given him so much free air time, we wouldn't be talking about him right now.

He is not professional and does not have the temperament to be President. He is arrogant, impatient, and short tempered. His yelling, arm waving and that thing he does with his pointing finger on his right hand ( like he is counting ducks) are so annoying. I can't imagine having to watch him for four years.

As far as character, he promised a different campaign and what I see is worse than Nixon.

Anyone can describe a problem. He has no workable solutions. If he did, he would have accomplished them by now.

[TheCowsCameHome]

51. Kind of like yourself, in some ways.

I suppose that's a good enough reason.

[livetohike]

97. You don't know anything about me. For one thing, I don't

wave my arms around like a turkey trying to fly LOL.

[woolldog]

75. That pointing thing he does annoys the hell out of me. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

105. You mean this thing?

[Bobbie Jo]

111. No, I think he means this thing

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[asuhornets]

42. He is

unqualified. Party of one.

[ismnotwasm]

44. While some of his ideas have great merit

None of them have the possibility of being put in place. Plus he is utterly unqualified in foreign policy. Plus, he has never built any kind of coalition with Democrats thus reducing their effectiveness in congress if he happened to BE elected, creating a nightmare clusterfuck of a scenario where the only winners are republicans. Plus his definition of "revolution" needs work-- he is losing the popular vote. Plus other than an admirable voting record, he has failed in several areas of social justice.

[kiva]

45. It's interesting that you phrase this as a negative about Sanders

rather than a positive about Clinton. Yes, I see that someone started a "Why do you support Bernie" thread but if you wanted to play opposite day, why not "Why do you support Hillary" thread?

[boston bean]

50. mmm... very interesting indeed in the mind of some... what is so danged interesting about it?

Please do tell.

[kiva]

92. The fact that you are more interested in having people

post negative comments about your candidate's opponent than you are in having Hillary's supporters post positive things about their own candidate.

[DCBob]

47. He is simply not ready to be President.

Holding office for decades in Vermont does not prepare one for running for or being President.

[TheCowsCameHome]

53. Yeah, so Obama-like.

I see your point.

[DCBob]

78. Candidate Obama's inexperience was an issue back then.

Clearly he has worked through that as I expected him to. Obama was and is a special gifted person.

Bernie is not an Obama.

[TheCowsCameHome]

81. And Sanders can't be just as good?

You have absolutely no proof of that.

[DCBob]

88. I dont think he is anywhere near Obama's level.

and you dont have proof he is.

[think]

52. I like my Democrats corrupt. Bernie is so rude not taking money from Goldman Sachs

He's a real pain in the rear....

[workinclasszero]

54. 1. Because he's a fake democrat

2. The bro army sucks and I won't associate with people like that.

3. The veiled racism is sickening..."Deep South"...Confederate States"..."Stockholm Syndrome"..etc.

4. His followers use republican lies and the sites that spawn them to attack Hillary which turned me against them and their candidate instantly as the primary started.

5. He tells people what they want to hear with no plans at all to get these things done should he become POTUS..."revolution" will magically take care of everything! LOL what a fuckin joke!

6. His whole campaign is mean spirited and nasty as hell. Worst hater mouthpiece/surrogates you could possibly have!

7. Claims for months that super delegates are wrong and should be done away with...until he sees he needs the "corporate whores" to win so...never mind!

8. Claims to love democracy and champion of voters rights..then after the elections are over and the people have spoken sends in the bros to try and flip the results and usurp the will of the people!

9. His terrible record on guns and protecting the big manufactures that make them.

10. "Mr Democrat" raises millions for himself and tells down ticket dems to go to hell.

11. Red states he wins "good"...red states Hillary wins.."Deep South"...Confederate States"..."Stockholm Syndrome"..etc.

12. The bully boy tactics used on this board, KOS, reddit, facebook and more against Hillary backers. The BS fans suppressed Hillary fans with vicious glee here and on those other places as well. The pile-on, the infamous Bro swarm, the facebook attacks even against Elizabeth Warren!

I'm sure I can come up with more but these are enough for me to never join the bro army.

[TheCowsCameHome]

64. Buy yourself a wider brush

it makes it easier to cover everything with one sweeping stroke.

[workinclasszero]

73. I owe it all to the Bernie backers right here on DU

They turned me away from Bernie right from the start by using republican talking point straight outta freakrepublic, redstate, Limbaugh, Hannity etc.

DU is still littered with that right wing filth 24/7 in the service of Bernie Sanders. Its pathetic and I will support no person, for any office, who runs to hate radio and the RNC for ammo against a democrat.

[TheCowsCameHome]

86. DU is littered with RW filth, blah, blah, blah on the

Sanders side?

My, that's a rather strong accusation.

[doc03]

106. +1

[The Second Stone]

77. Best post so far in the thread

Thanks!

[workinclasszero]

98. Thats just off the top on my head

A person could write a book about the horrible campaign/democratic party hostile takeover that Sanders has run in these primaries.

I hope a good author will do that when its over.

[Bobbie Jo]

112. This post

[Number23]

114. Fantastic post. Agree with every word.

I also find it interesting that every post in this thread that has valid reasons is IMMEDIATELY attacked by posters who have probably been the main ones wailing about what they see are a lack of policy oriented posts in support of their candidate. But I'm sure that's entirely the purpose.

[Hoyt]

57. This endorsement pretty much describes how I feel. I like Sanders, just not crud supporters spread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1760260

[griffi94]

60. Too much of a question mark

He's got no real track record.
He's got no real answers when he's asked how he'll deliver on what he's promising.

He's too much of a social critic.
He could have started his revolution years ago within the Democratic party
spent the last 25 years building alliances and gaining loyality.

He didn't do that. He sat in Vermont and pointed out how both parties sucked.
He did nothing to try to make it better or even to make it suck a little bit less.

Bernie elected not to get involved and instead spent his time in the senate being pure.

I'm sick of uncomprimising politicians. They're exactly why we're gridlocked because of the GOP
purity nutters.

It's not revolutionary but longterm grind and pragmatic thought will serve us much better.

[workinclasszero]

79. You nailed it

He sat in Vermont and pointed out how both parties sucked.
He did nothing to try to make it better or even to make it suck a little bit less.

Bernie elected not to get involved and instead spent his time in the senate being pure.

[HassleCat]

66. Good point

He's right about our party being heavily compromised, but he should be more selective in his criticism.

[geek tragedy]

68. Because I stopped believing in Santa Clause when I was 10. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

85. And what, exactly is the Santa Clause? I've not heard it and I eagerly await your reply.

[The Second Stone]

71. Some of his supporters, including many on the DU

are just monsters. No different than Freepers. Dear God what obnoxious people.

[DrDan]

82. exactly - and I have a feeling BS knows this - he just does not know how to channel the enthusiasm

in a positive way . . . if at all possible

[workinclasszero]

91. Sad but true

Its crazy what has happened to DU since this primary began.

[bettyellen]

83. I feel like for a campaign that is based on "integrity" there is way to much unsubstantiated

bullshit flying around. She gets slammed for changing votes after legislation was changed, she gets slammed for the slightest bit of compromise. I feel like they are exploiting people who do not understand that much of politics is negotiation. The stark black and white thinking there isn't so much principled as it is just stubborn ignorance.

[Zynx]

89. We don't vote for sets of issues. We vote for people.

I'm not impressed by his temperament, which appears inflexible and overly ideological. I think he'd be a positively dreadful president.

Beyond that, his positions on TARP, fracking, and nuclear power are all just simply bad policy. There is nuance on all of those issues and he just doesn't have a good sense about what TARP did at all.

[boston bean]

95. + 100

[timlot]

90. He's not a Democrat therefor I'm not sure how an "Independent" would govern.

[LiberalFighter]

93. So many!

Hillary Clinton is more qualified.
He is not a Democrat.
He runs against Democrats in his state.
He does not intend to stay a Democrat when this is over.
He only ran as a Democrat to make it easier.
His Senate website labels him an Independent.
He refers to both parties as "tweedle-dee" and "tweedle-dum".
He wanted Jesse Jackson to run as an independent third party for President in 1988.
He wants to determine which Democrats he will support down slate.
He does not have credible solutions.
He opposed Obama for re-election.
He has endorsed 2 candidates running against Democrat supported candidates that are gay.
He will have a difficult time accomplishing anything as President when he has made enemies within the Democratic Party.
Doesn't like superdelegates until he needs them.
Complains about the rules just like Trump when the rules were in place when he decided to run.

[baldguy]

94. He's not up to the job.

A guy who's entire political career - by his own choice - has been spent as an outsider throwing spit balls at the people doing the real work doesn't have either the skills or the mindset to take on a leadership roll of any kind. Much less able to get a Republican Congress to do anything other than start impeachment proceedings against him for the crime of breathing.

A Sanders Presidency would set back the cause of progressivism, liberalism & the Democratic Party back decades.

[radical noodle]

102. Bingo!

A Sanders Presidency would set back the cause of progressivism, liberalism & the Democratic Party back decades.

I actually don't believe he would ever be elected. I know his numbers now, but he hasn't been attacked yet. Hillary really hasn't hit him hard at all, but the GOP sure would.

[Bobbie Jo]

113. This is the bottom line for me. nt

[asuhornets]

100. I don't support

Sanders because I don't believe him.

[k8conant]

101. I DO support Bernie Sanders, this is garbage

If his plans were "pie in the sky", they would still be better than plans to "slog through the mud".

[radical noodle]

103. Slogging through the mud is how the hard work gets done

[k8conant]

108. If it's dirty work that you want done...

I want clean work.

[doc03]

104. I worked for over forty years and can't afford to give more of my income for taxes. I am on a fixed

income and with his $15 an hour for an entry level job it will raise prices through the roof and eliminate millions of jobs. I have seen what Socialism
did for Eastern Europe. He wouldn't even call himself a Democrat until it was convenient for him to run for president. He makes all these pie in the sky promises
and has absolutely no chance of getting any of it passed and he has no plan to actually do any of it. If he wins the nomination it will be awful hard to vote for him.
I may vote for the down ticket Democrats and leave president blank.

[cherokeeprogressive]

107. Who cares? Who. The. Hell. Cares? Save some bandwidth and tell us why you support Hillary.

[Lucinda]

110. The length of my full response would necessitate a dial up warning on your OP

So I will settle for one, his lack of integrity.

From the moment I started researching his campaign in January, and continuing on through this weekend, I see example after example of both Bernie, and his campaign, misrepresenting facts, and in some cases outright lying. I shared his posts with my FB friends and family for a long time before I dug into the election. I no longer do that.

[betsuni]

116. Too many yada yadas.

Details, I need details.