2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat percentage of Hillary supporters were for Hillary in 2008?
I bet a lot of Democratic voters who are backing Hillary really wanted her to win back in 2008, rather than Obama, and never got that yearning fulfilled. Almost half the party was for Hillary in that election. For the average person, once you've set your mind on something it can be very difficult to see any other perspective. So support for Hillary in 2016 would just be getting satisfaction that was denied the last time around.
Another large chunk, overlapping with the above, is older Dems who, like almost all members of their generation, were brainwashed into fearing "socialism" in past decades. They still can't get past that label now.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/02/05/millennials-have-a-higher-opinion-of-socialism-than-of-capitalism/
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Response to TheDormouse (Original post)
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lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)But I don't hate Hillary. I just found candidates I liked better both times.
Tanuki
(14,922 posts)and would have heartily supported HRC in the general if she had been the nominee that year.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)still_one
(92,422 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hard behind Obama as I was Hillary, did not want him primaried in 2012. He has been fine presidents and think in coming years he will be remembered as a great president.
If you can get last the fact of $30 a week wages as in Cuba then maybe you are ready for socialism. I have looked at Sanders agenda and over ten years it will cost $17 billion, Hillary's agenda will cost $1 billion over ten years. Somebody is going to have to pay and it will be the young people who will have to pay, the old people will not be here to help you. Even Sanders is not being truthful on the cost of his agenda.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,532 posts)I'm supporting Hillary today because I think she has the most all around experience and the best chance of winning the GE. I appreciate her stance on women's rights and human rights. She has already met and formed relationships with many, if not most, world leaders and is well versed in foreign policy.
I appreciate the fact that she is also working to get other Democrats elected. It's going to take more Democrats in Congress to get a Democratic agenda passed.
I know, I know. You'll point to polls that show Bernie winning the GE, also, but Bernie hasn't been vetted by the rw slime machine. Hillary has, and she is still leading all candidates, from both parties, in popular vote and delegate count.
ETA: when the dust cleared in 2008 and the nominee was decided, I threw my support to Obama with no hesitation.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)... is right there with you. Almost the exact same scenario then, and now.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)Actually a lot of people that were for Obama in the 2008 primary locally are for Hillary. I even know a family that was for Hillary in 2008 that is for Bernie now.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)... about the same as it was in her favor against Obama.
The wildcard here is turnout. In New York whole lot of those "likely Democratic voters" polled are ones who voted for her for Senate and than later voted for or against her for pres. It shouldn't be surprising that those voters are breaking her way. But I think there are a lot of voters, mainly younger, who will be turning out, who don't fit the pollster criteria for "likely Democratic voter."
Time will tell. About 60 hours from know we'll know.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)And hey look ... another asshat accusing those who support Hillary of being "brainwashed".
The shallowness of your "political analysis" is really very striking.
Same here. I supported Obama but would have voted for Hillary in a heartbeat.
Agreeing with your post in its entirety.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Perhaps our OP is suffering from pea-ness envy.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)Obama in 2008 and 2012, Bernie now.
Even though I am a woman, I have never supported Hillary. I don't hate her, but I will never vote for her.
Now if Elizabeth Warren was running, I would have quit my job and sold my house to follow her around the country to work for her campaign.
Hillary is too corrupt for me and always has been.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But have grown to rethink a lot of that negativity, and respect how she took care of business after losing in 2008.
I favor repealing the 22nd amendment though.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)But, of course, I don't deny that Hillary could appeal to those looking for Obama 3.0.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)i.e. blacks who liked Bill but couldn't pass up the chance to vote for Obama.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)those lines. In other words, I don't think it comes down to Hillary vs. Obama/Sanders voters in 2008 and 2016.
There are plenty of people who didn't vote for Hillary in 2008 who are with her this time around. And there are a lot of people who supported her in 2008 that are with Sanders now.
That's the way it is supposed to work. People look at the different candidates in an election and decide who they want in a given election year. And sometimes people want different types of candidates and policies and different years.
I don't think the issue is that people have been brainwashed. It's that older voters have memories of losing with McGovern, and even Dukakis. We have seen elections where a candidate lost simply because they were seen as liberal, whatever exactly that means to a given voter. The general feeling is that Bernie may be strong now, but by Election Day he will be in big trouble.
I agree that things are changing and the younger generation is far less easily turned away by liberal candidate. But we are not quite there yet IMO. I do think we have reached the point where Elizabeth Warren could run, openly take the liberal label, and win. And perhaps someone like Bernie could win in 20 years.
Of course, another explanation is that I am just wrong. I have no problem with another Democrat looking at it that way. I am just using my own judgment and coming to my own conclusion. In 2016 I think Hillary has a much better shot of turning her poll numbers around then Bernie does of living down the onslaught he will get if he is nominated.