Do Atheists have a right to oppose war?

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	No. Atheists who oppose war should be legally stripped of all educational grants and loans, under the Solomon Amendment. They are Traitors, and should be dealt with as such.
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[berniepdx420]

1. Is there any plausible reason they wouldn't ??

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7. Not that I am aware of.

1. Is there any plausible reason they wouldn't ??

[berniepdx420]

9. why did you ask the question ?

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13. Because some believed that it was sufficient reason to deny me an education at the time.

I felt that it was wrong at the time, so it looks like we are on the same page here.

[berniepdx420]

14. Yes.. it looks like we are.. I hope you got the education you were seeking

[WhiteTara]

2. Who is Somomon? And

what is his amendment?

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5. Solomon is the author of an anti-atheist amendmenmt favoring war.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Solomon+Amendment

[Codeine]

3. Dafuq? nt

[Arkansas Granny]

4. Why would they not have that right?

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8. Because there is a law against it.

4. Why would they not have that right?

[Lars39]

6. WTEverlivingF is this about?

[fleur-de-lisa]

10. Absolutely! I trust the judgement of atheists

far more than any deist. When it comes to war, more death and destruction has been caused by so-called 'religious' people, regardless of their affiliation, throughout recorded time.

Fuck all 'religious' warriors! They are all hateful bigots!

[djean111]

11. Do you mean to say that religious people only object to war because their god tells them it is

wrong?

As an atheist, or, really, as a human being, I just feel killing people is wrong. No deity needed!

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16. I assume that religious folks object to war for much the same reasons that atheists object to war.

At least, that's been my experience.

[Ferd Berfel]

12. Moronic.

WHy would you have to believe in an old man in the sky wearing a dress (who really needs your money) as a requirement to oppose the stupidity of war?

Stupid question that only a republican would think up.

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31. Lots of moronic things have the power of law, unfortunately.

Moronic.

[beedle]

15. Sorry, is that a question or were you ironically introducing us to

the 'Solomon Amendment'?

Not sure how it would have anything specific to do with Atheism though?

T

he 1996 Solomon Amendment is the popular name of 10 U.S.C. § 983, a United States federal law that allows the Secretary of Defense to deny federal grants (including research grants) to institutions of higher education if they prohibit or prevent ROTC or military recruitment on campus.

Unless you equate "institutions of higher education" solely with atheism? ( a nice goal, but not reality at the moment.)

ETA: Just to be clear though, it's a stupid law no matter who it gets applied to.

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18. There are many "Solomon Amendments", I'm sure.

The one that I refer is the one that initiated the Pacifist Purges of the US system of Higher Education in the 1980s, and which is ongoing to this day.

[beedle]

19. Nope, seems to be the same one.

question still remains, what has Atheism have to do with it?

Like I said already, terrible law .. don't see the atheism connection (and I am one.)

[Warren DeMontague]

17. Im trying to parse your argument, here.

And Im an Atheist.

If your point is that consciencious objection requires some sort of religious belief, i think you are drawing your assumptions and conclusions too broadly, here.

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20. I don't make the argement. Nor do I parse the law.

If your point is that consciencious objection requires some sort of religious belief, i think you are drawing your assumptions and conclusions too broadly, here.

I do, however, suffer the consequences of said law.



Nobody needs to convince me that I should have been afforded en education, despite my atheist pacifism.

I believed that all along, even while I was being denied that right.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. The argument should be made in court, if it has not already.

Its like the thing about "sincerely held religious belief"- it would seem to me that a sincerely held religious belief should be anything anyone says it is.

[jwirr]

21. I believe yes but what does the law say about it? If I am not

mistaken the law allows religious exemptions. A better question would be does our present law allow it?

[longship]

23. Do atheists have a right to oppose Hostess Twinkies?

Equally logical and rational question. In other words, not at all.

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24. I'm not sure that I see a connection.

23. Do atheists have a right to oppose Hostess Twinkies?

Has somebody denied you an education on account of Hostess Twinkies?

Has anybody died as a result?

Do you seriously not see the difference?

[longship]

28. It is a statement on morals being separate from religion, which they are.

It is no more appropriate to ask about atheism and war than it is about atheism and Twinkies. They both are orthogonal questions.

That is my point.

There is no connection.

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30. Since when do atheists not care about war?

It is no more appropriate to ask about atheism and war than it is about atheism and Twinkies. They both are orthogonal questions.

We're not talking about twinkies, here.

Atheists have cared about war for as long as I have been alive.

[Vinca]

25. This is a very strange question.

Why wouldn't atheists have the right to oppose war?

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26. Because we are atheist traitors?

Why wouldn't atheists have the right to oppose war?

It didn't make much sense to me, either.

[Vinca]

27. I must have missed something.

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32. What you missed is that it is against the law.

I must have missed something.

Other than that, we seem to agree on this.

[senz]

29. Of course they do. Conscience comes from within.

[azurnoir]

33. Locking please post in religion