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Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:55 PM

 

Do Atheists have a right to oppose war?

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No. Atheists who oppose war should be legally stripped of all educational grants and loans, under the Solomon Amendment. They are Traitors, and should be dealt with as such.
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Reply Do Atheists have a right to oppose war? (Original post)
stone space Apr 2016 OP
berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #1
stone space Apr 2016 #7
berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #9
stone space Apr 2016 #13
berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #14
WhiteTara Apr 2016 #2
stone space Apr 2016 #5
Codeine Apr 2016 #3
Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #4
stone space Apr 2016 #8
Lars39 Apr 2016 #6
fleur-de-lisa Apr 2016 #10
djean111 Apr 2016 #11
stone space Apr 2016 #16
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #12
stone space Apr 2016 #31
beedle Apr 2016 #15
stone space Apr 2016 #18
beedle Apr 2016 #19
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #17
stone space Apr 2016 #20
Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #22
jwirr Apr 2016 #21
longship Apr 2016 #23
stone space Apr 2016 #24
longship Apr 2016 #28
stone space Apr 2016 #30
Vinca Apr 2016 #25
stone space Apr 2016 #26
Vinca Apr 2016 #27
stone space Apr 2016 #32
senz Apr 2016 #29
azurnoir Apr 2016 #33

Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:56 PM

1. Is there any plausible reason they wouldn't ??

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Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:01 PM

7. Not that I am aware of.

 

1. Is there any plausible reason they wouldn't ??

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Response to stone space (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:03 PM

9. why did you ask the question ?

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Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:07 PM

13. Because some believed that it was sufficient reason to deny me an education at the time.

 

I felt that it was wrong at the time, so it looks like we are on the same page here.




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Response to stone space (Reply #13)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:08 PM

14. Yes.. it looks like we are.. I hope you got the education you were seeking

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:56 PM

2. Who is Somomon? And

what is his amendment?

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:00 PM

5. Solomon is the author of an anti-atheist amendmenmt favoring war.

 

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:57 PM

3. Dafuq? nt

 

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:59 PM

4. Why would they not have that right?

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:02 PM

8. Because there is a law against it.

 

4. Why would they not have that right?

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:00 PM

6. WTEverlivingF is this about?

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:03 PM

10. Absolutely! I trust the judgement of atheists

far more than any deist. When it comes to war, more death and destruction has been caused by so-called 'religious' people, regardless of their affiliation, throughout recorded time.

Fuck all 'religious' warriors! They are all hateful bigots!

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:05 PM

11. Do you mean to say that religious people only object to war because their god tells them it is

 

wrong?

As an atheist, or, really, as a human being, I just feel killing people is wrong. No deity needed!

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Response to djean111 (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:11 PM

16. I assume that religious folks object to war for much the same reasons that atheists object to war.

 

At least, that's been my experience.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:06 PM

12. Moronic.

WHy would you have to believe in an old man in the sky wearing a dress (who really needs your money) as a requirement to oppose the stupidity of war?

Stupid question that only a republican would think up.

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Response to Ferd Berfel (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:50 PM

31. Lots of moronic things have the power of law, unfortunately.

 

Moronic.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:08 PM

15. Sorry, is that a question or were you ironically introducing us to

 

the 'Solomon Amendment'?

Not sure how it would have anything specific to do with Atheism though?

T
he 1996 Solomon Amendment is the popular name of 10 U.S.C. 983, a United States federal law that allows the Secretary of Defense to deny federal grants (including research grants) to institutions of higher education if they prohibit or prevent ROTC or military recruitment on campus.


Unless you equate "institutions of higher education" solely with atheism? ( a nice goal, but not reality at the moment.)

ETA: Just to be clear though, it's a stupid law no matter who it gets applied to.

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Response to beedle (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:15 PM

18. There are many "Solomon Amendments", I'm sure.

 

The one that I refer is the one that initiated the Pacifist Purges of the US system of Higher Education in the 1980s, and which is ongoing to this day.

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Response to stone space (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:18 PM

19. Nope, seems to be the same one.

 

question still remains, what has Atheism have to do with it?

Like I said already, terrible law .. don't see the atheism connection (and I am one.)

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:12 PM

17. Im trying to parse your argument, here.

And Im an Atheist.

If your point is that consciencious objection requires some sort of religious belief, i think you are drawing your assumptions and conclusions too broadly, here.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:22 PM

20. I don't make the argement. Nor do I parse the law.

 


If your point is that consciencious objection requires some sort of religious belief, i think you are drawing your assumptions and conclusions too broadly, here.


I do, however, suffer the consequences of said law.



Nobody needs to convince me that I should have been afforded en education, despite my atheist pacifism.

I believed that all along, even while I was being denied that right.

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Response to stone space (Reply #20)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:25 PM

22. The argument should be made in court, if it has not already.

Its like the thing about "sincerely held religious belief"- it would seem to me that a sincerely held religious belief should be anything anyone says it is.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:24 PM

21. I believe yes but what does the law say about it? If I am not

mistaken the law allows religious exemptions. A better question would be does our present law allow it?

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:27 PM

23. Do atheists have a right to oppose Hostess Twinkies?

Equally logical and rational question. In other words, not at all.

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Response to longship (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:32 PM

24. I'm not sure that I see a connection.

 

23. Do atheists have a right to oppose Hostess Twinkies?


Has somebody denied you an education on account of Hostess Twinkies?

Has anybody died as a result?

Do you seriously not see the difference?





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Response to stone space (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:41 PM

28. It is a statement on morals being separate from religion, which they are.

It is no more appropriate to ask about atheism and war than it is about atheism and Twinkies. They both are orthogonal questions.

That is my point.

There is no connection.

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Response to longship (Reply #28)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:45 PM

30. Since when do atheists not care about war?

 

It is no more appropriate to ask about atheism and war than it is about atheism and Twinkies. They both are orthogonal questions.


We're not talking about twinkies, here.

Atheists have cared about war for as long as I have been alive.





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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:34 PM

25. This is a very strange question.

Why wouldn't atheists have the right to oppose war?

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Response to Vinca (Reply #25)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:36 PM

26. Because we are atheist traitors?

 

Why wouldn't atheists have the right to oppose war?


It didn't make much sense to me, either.

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Response to stone space (Reply #26)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:40 PM

27. I must have missed something.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #27)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:52 PM

32. What you missed is that it is against the law.

 

I must have missed something.


Other than that, we seem to agree on this.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:44 PM

29. Of course they do. Conscience comes from within.

 

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:54 PM

33. Locking please post in religion

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