Vanity Fair: Sanders was granted an audience with the Pope.

[Barack_America]

...As schedules continued to shift and Sanders bounced from meeting to meeting around the Vatican, the certainty of the Pope’s availability became increasingly cloudy. But while seated at dinner with foreign policy advisor Jeffrey Sachs and their wives Jane and Sonia, respectively, Sanders received the news he had been hopefully awaiting. His time with the Pope would be informal and brief, a quick meet-and-greet in the foyer of the Casa Santa Marta at 6 A.M. the next morning, but he had been granted an audience...

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/04/bernie-sanders-meets-pope

So much for the ambush theory.

I would say these details should put the matter to bed.

[reddread]

1. you have to be kidding?

they have barely begun to keep lying about that.
no end in sight.
it is not about the truth

[Schema Thing]

5. It's Vanity Fair, they are way more honest than you.

[FreakinDJ]

9. you know the Hilbots will freak out over this

[CentralCoaster]

17. Let's review: Bernie invited himself, wasn't going to talk or see Pope, then ambushed him.

.
...and when it turned out that the Pope and Bernie were both in the Vatican AND in the same building....

....Bernie stalked the Pope and then popped out and surprised him!

[.99center]

44. Hold on now..

Bernie stalked the Pope and then popped out of a bathroom and surprised him!
I'm sure were missing the full story, anyone have any other news from the Clinton camp on this vicious attack on the pope perpetrated by Bernie?

[lumberjack_jeff]

19. I don't think so, I think they'll simply ignore it and continue their preprogrammed narrative. n/t

[SusanCalvin]

30. I hope so, but

They don't seem to be capable of ignoring much. I'd bet they try to spin even this.

[uponit7771]

2. Pope Francis: "..I greeted him, I shook his hand and nothing more..." direct quote

[R B Garr]

4. lol, thank you. The Pope, himself, has spoken up, so this retro spin is

really ridiculous. Sanders put him in an awkward position, and the Pope had to explain himself to the Press. Not cool.

[Barack_America]

6. Sanders was granted an interview the night before.

Did you not read the one paragraph I quoted?

[COLGATE4]

13. Yep. Jeffrey Sachs says it happened so

it must be true. Why would I believe Jeffrey Sachs, seeing as he is the one who probably engineered the non-invitation 'invitation' for Bernie in the first place???

[Armstead]

27. Maybe because he one of the most respected economists in the world

I'm sure he'd lie about it

[COLGATE4]

35. I also am sure he'd lie about it. He stuck his foot in this mess

when he finagled Bernie an 'invite' to the conference. Then he kept on going. I prefer to take the Pope at his word rather than Sach's 'interpretation' of what transpired.

[Armstead]

36. It's not a mess. He went to the Vatican. Made a speech. met the Pope. End of story

The world has not ended. And it didn't advance or detract from Sanders efforts.


Get

the

fuck

over

it

[COLGATE4]

37. I'm not the person who started the thread. Direct

your false outrage there.

[R B Garr]

14. I saw the Pope speak about it. His own words.

[CentralCoaster]

20. You mean you saw the ENTIRE video, unedited, AND you speak fluent Italian?

[R B Garr]

23. Oh nOeZ! A conspiracy theory about the Pope's translators!

Who made them deliberately misquote the Pope......Satan???

[CentralCoaster]

24. So, I guess that's a "No" on your part. Video spliced at the 33 second mark, somethings edited out.

I would like to know what bits of context are missing.

I'm confident that what comes before "needs to see a psychiatrist" would do more harm to Sanders-haters than to Bernie.

Missing bits, one needs the missing part to draw conclusions about what was said.

[R B Garr]

25. Yes, do write the Vatican about your conspiracy theories that the Pope's

translators are misquoting him. I'm sure they will be very interested to learn that only Sanders supporters have discovered this terrible lapse of competence. I'm sure the missing bits you're looking for say, "I love Bernie; I hate Hillary". Yeah.

[CentralCoaster]

26. Calm down there. It's common for media to edit for length, that's all this is.

But for me, as a research engineer I don't like to draw conclusions from incomplete sets of data.

If you want to spin this in a different direction, that's cool.

Me, I'm past due for my walk on the beach so need to let this conversation go for now.

[R B Garr]

31. Calm down yourself. You are the one trying to attack me because I said

I listened to the Pope in his own words, and you insinuated either the Pope or his translators were lying if they didn't match your own biased theories about what was actually said. WTF.

I can see his body language and his obvious distress and embarrassment at having to explain himself and read his own translator's words and come to the conclusion that Bernie put him in an awkward situation.

So, LMAO, at YOU spinning this in the direction of questioning the POPE HIMSELF. And I have to laugh at your cutesy little psychological comment ("calm down&quot that Bernie supporters always attack people with when the spin doesn't go your way. All of a sudden, the armchair psychologists spring to life to "evaluate" anyone not supporting Bernie. Thank you.....

Walks on the beach on Monday morning?! Must be nice......

[basselope]

47. So the video backs up Sanders

Sanders never claimed an endorsement. He claimed he met him.

The Pope agrees.

The Clinton campaigned claimed the meeting would NEVER happen and then tried to claim it was an "ambush".

The Pope never said what they CLAIMED he said.

Thanks for the video proof that the Clinton camp lied.. AGAIN.

[CentralCoaster]

48. Yup. nt

[AgingAmerican]

40. The Pope is from Argentina, not Italy

[Adrahil]

3. I am still perplexed that anyone cares about this.

Bernie met the Pope? Good for him. I hope he took the opportunity to call out the church on its homophobia, sexism and protection of pedophiles.

[reddread]

7. its worse than that

he called the world out for allowing inequity and greed to rule.

[Adrahil]

10. That's great and all....

But let's not forget in our fanboyishness that the Church still perpetuates homophobia and sexism. And the Pope, as the leader of the Church, is part of that.

[reddread]

16. you care to contrast this Pope to the last one?

I know what you want to do to him.
Let us start with that.

[merrily]

11. Did you post that on any of the scores of threads last week started by Hillary supporters?

[Adrahil]

15. Nope. except one.

Where I posted I have no issue with Sen. Sanders visiting the Vatican.

[merrily]

21. But you never complained that people "cared" about the subject until this thread.

[Adrahil]

46. I'm not complaining. I'm perplexed.

I don't see why it is a big deal he went, either for Hillary supporters, or Bernie supporters.

[Joob]

39. I'll take an Opportunity to call out Hillary's ACTUAL DEFENSE for a RAPIST PEDOPHILE

AS a FAVOR, she did it AS a FAVOR.

[passiveporcupine]

42. Maybe you should be saying this to your own camp

supporters who will not let this "Bernie Lied" crap stop. It doesn't matter what proof is in front of them. They only care about one thing. Trashing Bernie.

[djean111]

8. This is not about the truth.

And, I tell ya, if the Vatican thing had not happened, we would have been showered with pictures of Hillary and Clooney - as if Clooney were as important as the Pope.

[reddread]

18. problem being Clooney is Catholic

she is building her illusions on quicksand.

[merrily]

12. SANDERSVATICANPOPEGATE!!11!! Parte Unus.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280177128

[stonecutter357]

22. Catholic Church sexual abuse cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

[wendylaroux]

28. H has some of those,in house even.

[ecstatic]

29. Bernie is determined to call the pope a liar. Is that a good

strategy?

[R B Garr]

32. Exactly! Either the Pope or his translators are being called liars here.

Unbelievable.

[passiveporcupine]

43. It's you who refuse to see the truth

who insist on calling the Pope and Sachs a liar.

How is that a good strategy?

[salinsky]

33. Why would progressives be so proud that Bernie met with the leader of the Catholic church? ...

... I would be more impressed if he declined due to the plethora of issues on which the church is regressive, corrupt, and criminal.

A conference on income inequality at the Vatican?

That's pretty rich!

If the church were to divest itself of even half it's assets and properties held around the globe and donated the proceeds to the poor, poverty would be cured for a generation.

And, the Vatican Bank? ...

... holy shit, there may not be a more evil institution on the planet.

[snagglepuss]

34. knr

[Punkingal]

38. There is a thread by one of the worst pope offenders about the damn hot sauce.

It is incredibly important to prove she carries hot sauce, as if anyone cares.

[passiveporcupine]

41. I would say these details should put the matter to bed.

You're kidding right? How would that work to Hillary's advantage?

[passiveporcupine]

45. So the truth is revealed and it backs up my claim

The Pope's words (and nothing more) that so many are twisting to say meant he never spoke with Sanders have been explained...just as I said...they were taken out of context and it was obvious to me from watching the clip, that he did not mean what so many are claiming. Now it is written in Vanity Fair and I am vindicated (as is Bernie).

Francis, meanwhile, wanted to ensure that his encounter with Sanders would not be construed as a partisan gesture of support. He had a characteristically candid remark for the press inquiring about whether the Pope might back a Sanders candidacy:

“I shook his hand and nothing more,” he said. “If someone thinks that greeting someone means getting involved in politics, I recommend that he find a psychiatrist!”

His words (and nothing more) were in response to this endorsement issue, not his "greeting" with Sanders. Everything I've been saying about what he said to the reporter and why has been corroborated here. Thank you!

[KoKo]

49. Recommend!