2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Hillary's Transcripts Don't Matter.
Tell me why. I'd really like to know why a candidate that is as non transparent as possible doesn't raise an eyebrow for her supporters.
white noise machines too, I wanna know why those aren't a concern.
Thanks in advance.
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COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)care about them???
retrowire
(10,345 posts)It doesn't matter because it does matters to someone else?
That doesn't work.
Why doesn't it matter to you?
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Our nation's biggest crooks.
Her reluctancy to let you know what she said is the worst part. It's not just that she talked with them at all. That's fine. But why hide any of it?
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)1) her private property, which she is under no obligation to share with anyone except with the target audience and 2) because she doesn't choose to do so. Works for me.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I knew that would be the answer. XD
Alright, you're off the hook, run along now and be content with a politician that lies to you and then keeps secrets. After all she knows best and "that's the way it is"
Enjoy that, really.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)In fact, I couldn't give less of a shit about those speeches. I'm just not fixated as some of you seem to be.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)in her succeeding. "Doesn't Care" says it all right there.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)Are you familiar with Bob Altemeyer's work The Authoritarians? Here is a link..it's free...and a very important piece of work. It answers your question.
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)These minor issues like corruption, cronyism, endless wars are just minor details
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)Presidential candidates being asked (required) to provide transcripts of their private speeches. Then we'll talk about 'transparency'.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)We're currently dealing with a 2016 presidential campaign try to keep up.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)'obligation' unique to Hillary comes from? No, I don't think so.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Private information?
Then what the hell was that "Bernie release your taxes" all about?
mythology
(9,527 posts)This is the first time for speeches to my knowledge.
That said it's an interesting request as most people running for president are in office and wouldn't have these.
At this point unless she talks about making a coat out of puppies, putting the speeches out there would be better I think than not. But where does that then end for people running who aren't already in office?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I'm perfectly fine with us demanding to hear what potential candidates have said to crooks they've exhanged money with in private.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)That's the concern.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)taxes is so much an integral part of our election process. It's been done by candidates for years. Bernie dragged his feet until the very last minute and then only released one year's return.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)She claims that she'll be tough on banks. Now people want to know what she's been saying to those banks over the last 3 years.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)speeches.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Isn't an action?
Lol
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)(or, as you so delicately put it, 'crooks'). Here I was under the impression that she spoke to members of a large, important Wall Street firm employing thousands of average Americans and handling investments for hundreds of thousands of them. My mistake.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)A CIVIL matter going back to issues with mortgage-backed securities in 2007-8. Nothing to do with "crooks" and less to do with Hillary. But nice try.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Well hold my horses!
Oh wait, civil matter or not, they still fucked people over.
Try again. lol
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)Hillary. But the old 'guilt by association' meme never gets old for you guys.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)for speeches? NONE.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Why should we accept that from one of our own?
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)party to try and support your point against one of ours is just bad taste. I keep hearing how "No one has ever done this before". And, when I point out that at least 2 recent candidates did, now the excuse is "Well, they're Republicans". Still sloppy reasoning.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Even the GOP candidates havent done it. Its bad.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Presidential candidates being paid 6 figure speaking fees.
Thanks.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)a lot of things about this so-called 'complaint'.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)speeches?
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)She was asked what made those speeches worth so much to Goldman, for instance, and her answer was noneyabidniss.
So go ahead and live in your green sky world.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)By saying "Me too" when speaking of regulating Wall Street, her private speeches become relevant in assessing her viability in the Dem contest. While both Hillary and Bernie are vastly superior to any in the GOP, we are now choosing our candidate and more info is better ought to be our standard.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)want to vote for her. You may think it's important. Many (many) of us aren't that interestedf. And, talking about 'viability', why on earth would she give the Republicans anything like this so they can fly=speck every word, comma, Capital letter and pararaph indentation, over and over and over through the RW Echo Chamber. She'd be nuts to do it. I don't know why some Democrats insist on her playing right into RW hands with this.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)I think the idea is that the public wants to know about them before voting for a person. It definitely applied to Romney. The public coulds also want to know about Hillary's speeches before voting for much the same reason: they would provide information we find critical to our voting. She could refuse to release them, just as Romney could have refused to release his tax returns, and then we could say we won't vote for Hillary.
Hillary won't release her speeches because they would show that she caters to big companies at the expense of little people. It would end her campaign, so she's better off with people questioning how much she's tied to fossil fuel and banking industries rather than being sure. I and many other people find this to be good reason not to vote for her.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)Presidential candidates for years. We have never asked for their speeches. But, for you the good part is that rank speculation on their contents gives you an excuse to do what you weren't going to do anyway, which is vote for her.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.
And Wrong Headed.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)Nice theory - it's a shame the law doesn't support it.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Nice deal for you and your peeps.
Banana Republic Capital of the World.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)had anything to do with giving speeches to private groups when you're NOT a government employee. The same meme Bernie tried yesterday. Won't work, though.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Was that your stance on his speeches/doner pitches as well?
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)and I don't now.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Interesting in that his comments were revealing about his true views about the electorate. They fucked his campaign.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)to be touchy-feely with a Senator.
katsy
(4,246 posts)in the general if she's our nominee.
Remember mittens' 47% speech? Private fundraiser. It got leaked and I believe cost him the election... Well maybe he would've lost anyway but I've no doubt it cost him somehow. He lost any moral high ground he may have had with voters in that one speech. He was fully within his legal rights and had the constitutional right to speak his mind. Tough shit. He lost the moral high ground.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-who-secretly-videotaped-mitt-romneys-47-percent-remarks-comes-forward/
Legally HRC is on solid ground to refuse.
But people's perception will be what it is. They understand the difference between "legal" and just plain secretive... Which further implies unethical. When we elect representatives and leaders, we hold them to a higher standard. That's why we ask for tax returns & medical info. And here's the glitch here: no one else's in either party gave these speeches. So they already hold the moral high ground when HEC is perceived as dishonest. That will not serve her well.
There are legal loopholes in our corporate tax structure... but people are appalled at the unfairness of these loopholes.
Yeah. Fine. Let her keep them a secret. Let's watch the gop capitalize on that nugget.
This argument of "it's hers she's under no obligation to release these speeches" don't hold water in the court of public opinion. None. Petulant.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)![](/emoticons/rofl.gif)
katsy
(4,246 posts)in not releasing the transcripts will not work to her advantage.
If I were a betting woman... I'd put my $ on HRC explaining any uncomfortable interpretations of her speeches to her advantage.
As Democrats, we stand for honesty (not infallibility) and transparency in our dealings. She needs to fall in line with these values or the gop will beat us to a pulp with our hypocrisy.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)best time to release them.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)of us realize and it is not just the Rs that have brought us to this point. When Democrats do not care about corruption in our elections then we are no longer Democrats. And there does seem to be a part of the party that does not care as long as it is their candidate.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)have always been about money. Nothing has changed except for the amount.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Democratic Parties. And when you are done you probably will ignore it but I would like you to explain how this primary is an election in any form when it was decided by one deal before any votes were cast? Before a single debate?
I really need to understand this - I am a delegate and can plainly see that there are no choices offered in this "election" and elections by their very definition require choices.
If this is the kind of elections South America used to have I can certainly understand why their history contains so many overthrown governments.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)on Free Republic.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)join in the deal have spoken out about it - but none of the 33 have come ahead and denied it.
Not to mention that the Clooney circus this weekend is one of those rich donors to this deal.
Deny all you want - the facts are going to come out.
COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)COLGATE4
(14,788 posts)denied that unicorns exist! The shame!!
metroins
(2,550 posts)Because paid speeches that are only an hour long are fluff speeches used by companies to bring people to meetings that they normally wouldn't go to.
They're used to bring in your best customers so you can do more business with them. They're used to prop up employee morale and make everybody see how well the company is doing. They're marketing spots to either bring in business or donations.
It really doesn't matter what she said...they just needed her name. They didn't pay her for a favor, they paid to use her public personality.
That is why I don't care, it's not a matter that will effect anything. If they were released all I'd see is fluff.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)It is her mere refusal that grants WAY MORE WEIGHT to them.
If she had released them immediately then people would have cared less. But again, the mere refusal to do so has made them all the more incriminating.
Even if it is fluff as you say, are you not concerned about her reluctancy to be transparent to you? This was her private business with some of the largest crooks in our nation. Why wouldn't you want to know what was said?
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Not releasing them creates ckouds of suspicion.
If they are harmless, refusing to release them creates more harm than good.
That's what's wrong with the Clintons. they tend to allow their opponents to make mountains out of molehills because of their arrogance and and clumsiness that they are "above it all."
The right wing smear machine was/is bad. But the Clintons feed it with their own carelessness, corruption and elitist attitudes and behavior.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)If it's just fluff then for the love of the Democratic party, PROVE IT before it gets out of hand oh shit too late...
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)They would have been released long ago instead of being the anchor tied around her neck.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)listening. So I want to know what she said when she thought no one was listening.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... or bring down mighty legislation against on behalf of the American people if she were elected president.
I'm sure even the most hardened Hillary supporter can understand the optics of this.
And it's actually quite unprecedented, despite the spin saying the opposite.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)While I don't have much hope for the spin agents here....
I have great hope for Tuesday.
California is waiting for New York to nominate Bernie!
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)to get them to expedite the medical board. I refuse to work for her.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... and I really don't know what they are thinking even letting her run...
... let alone trying to railroad her through to the nomination.
She really is the worst candidate I can even imagine.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)As long as the candidate is bought and payed for the TPTB win, either side, it's all the same to them. So Clinton is their candidate on our side, they own her and by her attitude she doesn't much like us anyway.
Bernie isn't bought and he works for us...they have to eliminate him AND his 'revolution'!
LiberalArkie
(15,906 posts)I always saw them as a way of funneling bribes to to people. I imagine everyone just sitting around having drinks and telling stories and then someone stands up and tells some crude and off color stories and everyone finishes eating and drinking and goes home.
As far as the white noise masking the voices, why would she want any "non paying scum of the earth" to be able to hear her for free. That would be like a restaurant allowing the homeless to have the leftover food for free instead of making sure it is uneatable.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...with no particular strings attached. It might be so--our wealthiest citizens tend to be paid, counterintuitively, precisely because they are already wealthy. G-S can indeed afford to throw away such money on fluff speeches by big names; treating political celebrities like performing animals is a way to reinforce the power dynamics.
The secrecy, though, stinks. Clinton ensures that no one but her has transcripts, and then pretends that their release is something she has to dither over? Could G-S also have her under NDA? Does she have a direct and ongoing financial relationship with G-S not previously disclosed?
Why try to pretend the speeches never happened by continuing to hide the evidence?
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Why wouldn't they have spent the money on somebody who is at least entertaining? Companies don't lay out $225K to listen to Hillary Clinton drone for any reason other than to gain favor with her.
LiberalArkie
(15,906 posts)the way to launder it.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)doing this:
Restaurant Puts Public Fridge On The Street So Homeless People Can Take Leftovers
http://winningdemocrats.com/restaurant-puts-public-fridge-on-the-street-so-homeless-people-can-take-leftovers-imagesvideo/
Who would do that if the food was worth $2700 a plate?
athena
(4,187 posts)Dare to read it?
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/15/1515992/-About-Those-Speaking-Fees
First and foremost, transcripts are notoriously monotonous. There are no voice inflections in the written word except what the reader puts there. There is no speakers face to watch, no body language to read. There is no narrative text that would explain the ensuing dialogue. Consequently, what was a joke, or even sarcasm, can come across as dead serious.
Second, and lets be honest, not only would Senator Sanders campaign folks and the GOP pounce on those pages like a pack of starving sharks on a school of minnows, but the media would tear apart every single word. Pundits would have an entire summer of words to read and spin and regurgitate and debate ad nauseum. And its a fairly sure bet that very little of any regurgitation would give Secretary Clinton the benefit of the doubt.
(snip -- worth reading as well, but excluding because of the four-paragraph rule)
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Okay two options...
1. Release the transcripts and have the benefit of honesty and transparency with you, even though things may be misconstrued you at least were forthright with it.
OR
2. Refuse to be transparent and let everyone lose trust in you while also having the worst inferred from your actions to be secretive.
I know it's damned if you do, damned if you don't as anything is in politics, but clearly when you've got the lowest favorability and trustworthiness rates around, one of these is the better answer.
athena
(4,187 posts)It shows why those who support Hillary don't have a problem with her not releasing the transcripts.
And now that your question has been answered, you do what is most common among Bernie supporters on DU: you change the question. And you think that we don't notice what you're doing.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Didn't even ask a question. I said what her two "damned if you do damned if you don't" options were and left it at that with my opinion on what would be better.
Haha you saw a new question? XD too funny.
Anyways, now that you mention it I DID happen to ask 2 questions in my OP. It's not a new question so don't think I'm "moving goalposts" or anything lol.
White noise machines? Why don't they matter?
athena
(4,187 posts)
I posted a lengthy article that explains why Hillary's supporters don't think the transcripts don't contain anything scandalous.
In response, you change the question to whether it's politically wise for Hillary to release the transcripts. You also use your post to smear Hillary with insinuations of dishonesty.
As for white noise machines, the reasons for using them are the same ones stated in the article I posted. If I were Hillary and giving a private speech, I wouldn't want the media to pick out words through the door and then publish something they misheard. There is enough hearsay and lies floating out there already.
If you have evidence that Hillary said something objectionable in her speeches, please go ahead and provide it. In the absence of such evidence, it is dishonest to claim that the speeches contain something objectionable. That Hillary refuses to release the transcripts is not evidence of wrongdoing, as the article I posted explains clearly.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But the thing is, Hillary doesn't want to be transparent. So I have no evidence to present you. I can't clear her name or incriminate her but what I and many others do have, is less trust in her.
I expect my candidate to be a little more clear with me about her association with crooks, why wouldn't I?
Also, what you just said about the white noise machines doesn't fit with your article.
The article said that written text could be taken out of context because no inflections could be read, jokes could be misconstrued as serious.
But that's not possible with an oral speech, we can detect sincerity and inflection! So, the transcript defense doesn't work for an oral speech.
And again I changed no questions. I didn't intend for you to give me an answer on that since it wasn't a question, I only gave my opinion on her decisions.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)and they don't even bat an eye.
awake
(3,226 posts)Now if you do not care what Hillary is really planing to do and you just want to keep your head in the sand so be it. I feel that like with Romney's 47% statement that he made to his donors, people would like to know. If Hillary gets the nomination Trump will release what Hillary said to his 1% friends down on WallStreet so is it not best that we know what was said before it comes out and bites us all. How do we know it will hurt well if it would have helped Hillary she would have shared them by now. How dumb does she think the American people are, she is like the 3 year old with chocolate all over their face that tries to tell you that they have no idea what happened to the cookies.
polichick
(37,257 posts)griffi94
(3,756 posts)I don't care at all what she said in a paid speech.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... not caring that she gave private $300k paid speeches to dozens of corporations...
that she would have to regulate or pass mighty laws against on behalf of the American people.
It's not like she never thought she might run for President.
griffi94
(3,756 posts)I don't care.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... might care.
Go think about it.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I had no idea there was another type that didn't care what they voted for.
griffi94
(3,756 posts)it doesn't matter to me at all.
I don't care that she won't release the transcripts.
It's not an issue for me.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)Those people who don't want the transcripts released don't care about anything except...
... Hillary!
griffi94
(3,756 posts)transcripts to some paid speech.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... and kept spewing out ridiculous posts.
griffi94
(3,756 posts)Because you don't agree with my lack of outrage.
I don't care what she said in a paid for speech.
It's not an issue for me at all.
It's not even a blip on my radar.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)GE
So if she had literally had a speech that said thanks for the dough GS, I'll always have your back!
...It wouldn't matter today because she was a private citizen then?
That's like saying it doesn't matter that someone's drug test showed up positive for meth because they were unemployed then so it's cool!
Smh lol
griffi94
(3,756 posts)I don't care...at all.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)griffi94
(3,756 posts)So I answered you.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)KPN
(15,852 posts)since she represents (a) their interests (status quo privilege), and/or (b) what they think are their interests.
rachacha
(173 posts)elana i am
(814 posts)i don't think the speeches matter because they are beside the point. they're nothingburger subterfuge for the quid pro quo (read: bribes). it's beyond the pale that she even went there and did that in the first place. we don't need to see the speeches to know she's nothing but a grifter.
clinton is now connected to goldman sachs in a big way. what kind of progressive democrat thinks that's a good look?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Some see it as a nail in the coffin though. There are still, for some reason, many doubters to the idea that when you're paid large sums of money that people expect something in return.
DebDoo
(319 posts)![](/emoticons/sarcasm.gif)
4ricksren
(72 posts)thousands of corporate people saw those speeches
there is no secret
what's the delay, hillary clinton?
randome
(34,845 posts)It's something that GS does on a regular basis and most people, so I believe, don't really care what Clinton does in her spare time.
Unless you think Jerry Seinfeld is also conspiring with GS to...to...whatever.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Claiming that they will reign in wall St and are currently running for president?
No?
Okay then.
randome
(34,845 posts)Does that mean you need to listen in to every conversation she might have with Chelsea should Clinton favor some regulation regarding new mothers?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Hillary's conversations with known crooks are what concerns me.
And yes, I am suspicious. As are many folk. Because we're concerned with one of our candidates reluctancies to be transparent.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Democrats now are comfortable with their candidates taking money from special interests and being very cozy with certain sectors of corporate America. It's how we roll now.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)vimeo.com/163178551
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LiberalFighter
(52,729 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Because you've been rendered unfaithful in your fellow persons by the sheer amount of snarkiness and insincerity we witness on the internet.
BUT BEHOLD... I have received one, count it, ONE reasonable answer as to why Hillary shouldn't release the transcripts. The answer was basically saying that the written format of a transcript carries no context and therefore could be misinterpreted since you can't detect jest or sincerity or inflection in written word.
Basically, the speech could be perfectly fine but some would take it out of context so there's no real reason to release it.
Personally I see that she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't but I think it would be better of her to dispel people's imaginations by being forthright about it. Instead since she sweeps it under the rug it leaves her looking suspicious.
No one in this thread has given a sufficient answer for the white noise machines though.
There, is your faith in your fellow persons lifted a bit? To see that I'm not some troll that will consistently scream "NUH UH" at any reply?
Try me, I am reasonable despite what many will assume of me.
Mudcat
(179 posts)... it would be even worse if she did. Otherwise she would have released them already.
So it doesn't matter. Those who stand by her, would continue to do do.
randome
(34,845 posts)They would take the most innocuous comment out of context and hope they can use it to damage her. That's why she likely won't release the transcripts. Why give ammunition to her opponents?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
katsy
(4,246 posts)because she won't release these transcripts.
If she argues gop corruption in the GE, they'll slap her down with "release the transcripts" and "none of us made paid speeches to wall st".
If she argues gop obstruction in the GE, they'll slap her down with "what are you afraid of? Why haven't you released the speeches".
The ammunition was given to them by HRC's shortsighted decision to give these speeches to the same group that blew up our economy. And it would've been fine if she was just "former" Sec'y or senator. But she wants a future role in shaping policy for this country. Now she's held to a higher standard. And she's not doing very well in being transparent in her dealings with certain groups.
Wall st doesn't have a stellar reputation with voters. These aren't women's groups, faith groups or nurses unions or teachers unions with whom the average person can relate. These are scoundrels. Her perception of the 2008 crash affects her leadership role in the future. It matters.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)One reasonable explanation but not really an answer as to why it doesn't matter.
Two "don't cares"
And one deflection saying there's no use in giving me an answer.
I actually do wait and hope for legit answers. Last time I asked a question it took me 2 hours before I got a legit answer! Wonder how long until I get one this time?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I think you may have a long wait.
Mike Nelson
(10,149 posts)1...we know she said nice things about those paying her - there is no revelation. If she committed a crime, it would have been reported at the time.
2...the Bernie voters who want to see them are voting for Bernie anyway.
3...she's on track for winning the nomination, after which the demand will die.
4...we know enough - too much, in fact -- about Hillary Clinton.
LonePirate
(13,736 posts)I don't give a damn about the transcripts and I voted for Bernie. Why would you think a Hillary supporter cares about them?
immoderate
(20,885 posts)It's not the speech; it's the payoff.
--imm
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)It's legal, but I see it as greedy, sleazy, and corrupt. Same for Bill's $200million haul, cashing in on his public service.
It was also politically tone-deaf for someone planning to run again. Hillary shot the fat middle finger to Occupy Wall Street every time she went through the bank doors. Now she doesn't understand why young people and people in financial despair don''t want to vote for her.
It'd be funny, if she wasn't the likely Democratic nominee, supported by almost all Democratic leaders.
She should have had the political smarts to know that these speeches would be toxic in any future campaign. The fact she didn't is one more example of her poor judgement.
ecstatic
(33,504 posts)Oops, make that a former State and US First Lady, US Senator, first female presidential candidate to almost win a major party's nomination, and Secretary of State.
In the world of speaker fees, how much do you think that background is worth, considering how someone like Donald Trump has pulled in 1.5 million a speech, and artists and celebrities have tours where they take in millions from audiences?
What exactly is the objection here: is it the fee or the audience? Would it have been OK if the fee was $50, or is it that you object to her speaking to a financial institution that you don't like?
If it had not been a financial institution, would a large speaking fee be OK, or would there now be an objection to her taking money out of the hands of a noble organization?
We've already established that Clinton has never given special treatment to the banks or Wall Street. So where does the criticism end? Is the issue, at the end of the day, that you object to how much money the Clintons have made? What is the cut off dollar amount for when someone is evil/corrupt?
Oh, and please name one famous person who regularly makes free speeches. One!
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,327 posts)As former First Lady, she's been receiving that protection since her husband's first election. Protection paid for by taxpayers. Doesn't that negate the "private citizen" argument?
I don't know many other private citizens who draw that very expensive benefit from the government.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Seems like a lot of trouble to hide something.
Bob41213
(491 posts)In this day and age, I can't imagine that there aren't a few copies of these speeches out there. I'm willing to bet something surfaces by say November.