Does anybody think HRC would overturn citizens United

[Skink]

[forjusticethunders]

1. Idk man

Considering "Citizens United" is short for "Citizens United Against Hillary Clinton"...

[CanonRay]

2. Neither Hillary or Bernie can

and Congress won't. All we can do is win the White House and change SCOTUS.

[Art_from_Ark]

5. Bernie has said that one prerequisite for his Supreme Court nominees

would be to oppose Citizens United.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

13. So has Hillary. nt

[athena]

28. That's not a promise he can keep.

You can't have prerequisites for Supreme Court nominees. The whole point of the Supreme Court is that its members are supposed to be completely independent.

Here are more details, if you're really interested in the facts:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-bernie-sanders-supreme-court-citizens-united-20160415-story.html

A Supreme Court nominee who promised to vote a certain way would almost certainly be unconfirmable and probably would be rated unqualified by the American Bar Assn. In the unlikely event that such a nominee were confirmed, he or she would (rightly) be pressed not to participate in any case that might put Citizens United in jeopardy.

[still_one]

31. That is correct, however, while a potential SC nominee won't be asked by a president

how they would rule on hypothetical cases, there is no doubt the President would look at any prospective SC nominee's past rulings and paper trail, and based on that make a choice that would align with a President's philosophy

[athena]

34. That is correct, but that is not what Bernie said.

He said,

“I think that we need a Supreme Court justice who will make it crystal clear, and this nominee has not yet done that, crystal clear that he or she will vote to overturn Citizens United and make sure that American democracy is not undermined.”

Here is what the article I posted has to say about that:

A prospective Supreme Court nominee might be willing to say whether he or she believed the same about Citizens United (a much more recent decision than Roe vs. Wade and arguably less “settled” as a precedent). But a public promise to overturn it? No lawyer in his or her right mind would make such a commitment to a president or to the Senate.

[Art_from_Ark]

40. And yet, we're supposed to vote for Hillary

because, you know, Supreme Court!

[Demsrule86]

41. Yeah

Because she would not pick a Scalia...Ginsberg was Clinton pick....and we all know what sort of picks the GOP would have...if you love your daughters or wives or Grand-daughters...vote for Clinton when she is the nominee and she will be. I am hoping Bernie will give up tilting at windmills after New York...so we can more on to the general.

[Art_from_Ark]

44. I trust Bernie FAR MORE than I trust Clinton to pick good Supreme Court justices

[athena]

47. The question is not whether you trust Bernie more than Clinton.

It's whether you trust Trump or Cruz more than Clinton.

[99Forever]

49. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

That's the NUMBER 1 Question when it comes to ANY issue.

Hillary can't be trusted on any issue.

Senator Sanders can be trusted on every issue.

Period.

[athena]

50. And Bernie Sanders is God's preferred candidate.

See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511689128

We get it. Bernie is perfect. Up is down. War is peace. And facts don't matter.

[99Forever]

53. No, you truly don't "get" anything.

That couldn't be anymore fucking obvious. The lying liars from Camp Weathervane wouldn't know a fact if it bit them on the ass.

[athena]

54. I'm the one who doesn't get anything

when you're the one who thinks Bernie can overturn Citizens United?

Personal attacks, by the way, don't belong on DU. All you do by insulting half of the members here is show that you don't, in fact, have any substantive comments to make.

[99Forever]

56. Welcome to Ignore with the rest of your ilk.

Bu bye

[athena]

57. Sounds like a great place to be!

I prefer members who are here to discuss issues, not insult others.

[hobbit709]

3. Hillary turn off the money tap?

[Protalker]

4. I do

To do this means judges that get through the Senate. Until then do you think principle will defeat Republicans using it?

[MineralMan]

6. Well, here's her position on that:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

It's always interesting what you can find on Google, I think.

[floriduck]

14. How many times has she changed her positions-on many issues.

And how does someone who created a Victory Fund via state parties and the DNC to use the McCutcheon loophole to run a campaign and tie up super delegates all of a sudden fight against the very thing that may get her the nomination? I have zero confidence in that happening.

[MineralMan]

15. You know, that page has been pretty much the same

since the campaign began. Have you read it?

[floriduck]

17. Yes but it doesn't address my concerns.

Why would she say she supports money in politics when the vast majority of the public disagrees? She might be corrupt but she's not stupid.

[MineralMan]

18. I'm sorry about that.

I can't help you further than to point to her position statement.

[floriduck]

20. No need to apologize. Hillary has proven her priorities to us already.

Have a great week.

[Nye Bevan]

7. You really need a constitutional amendment to do that.

Even if a new SCOTUS justice might have voted differently in the actual case, it's not like you can just send the same case back and ask for a do-over. Justices tend to respect precedent especially when being asked to reduce constitutional protection of speech.

Asking about a president "overturning" Citizens United is somewhat akin to asking whether a president would "overturn" Roe v Wade.

[Goblinmonger]

25. That's not true

So the SCOTUS has never changed the interpretation of the law on something? You just need to get a case that addresses something different and have a court that wants to hear it.

But, yes, the president doesn't overturn it. But in this instance putting a justice on that will vote to take the case could make all the difference.

[NurseJackie]

8. I didn't realize it was within the President's power to do so.

[VulgarPoet]

9. She can write whatever she wants on her website;

but I hold the right to believe even the carbon dioxide she exhales comes out crooked and is therefore not worth engaging a temporary suspension of disbelief to accept it.

[Lone_Wolf]

10. Money to politicians is like crack to an addict

If she's elected, nothing will change.

[Demsrule86]

42. If she is not elected lots will change.

Because that will mean a GOP president with a GOP Senate and a GOP House...look out. Oh and five justices to pick probably.

[Art_from_Ark]

45. Even if she is elected in the GE, we'll still probably have a GOP House and Senate

Hell, we LOST 9 House seats when her husband was elected in '92. And there was no net gain in the Senate.

[boston bean]

11. Ummmm.. YES

Do you even know how citizens united came about??????

[NCTraveler]

12. This simply shows you don't know what CU is.

Then again, that has been clear from a lot of posters on this board. Simply no clue as to what is being railed against. It's a consistent theme.

I do hope she will help lead the charge.

[Codeine]

16. Civics 101: Fail. nt

[whatchamacallit]

19. Hahaha... fuck no

[arely staircase]

21. How does the president overturn the Supreme Court? NT

[djean111]

22. No. Yes, I know, she cannot actually do that herself, but I believe she would appoint SCOTUS

judges who would be corporate, and they would not overthrow it.

[athena]

23. Presidents can't overturn Supreme Court decisions.

I couldn't believe it when Bernie claimed in a debate that he would overturn Citizens United. Talk about making promises you cant keep!

[Goblinmonger]

26. Did you miss the part where he talked about CU being the litmus test for his SCOTUS appointment

and how he would ask Obama to rescind the current appointment so he could put someone on that would do this (read: the current one won't)?

[athena]

29. That's not how SCOTUS works.

Do some research:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-bernie-sanders-supreme-court-citizens-united-20160415-story.html

A Supreme Court nominee who promised to vote a certain way would almost certainly be unconfirmable and probably would be rated unqualified by the American Bar Assn. In the unlikely event that such a nominee were confirmed, he or she would (rightly) be pressed not to participate in any case that might put Citizens United in jeopardy.

[Goblinmonger]

30. Yeah. Because that's how he would nominate them

and he would have them promise to vote a certain way. Because he's an idiot.

So when Clinton said that her litmus test would be abortion rights, you thought what?

[athena]

36. Bernie went much further than that.

He said:

“I think that we need a Supreme Court justice who will make it crystal clear, and this nominee has not yet done that, crystal clear that he or she will vote to overturn Citizens United and make sure that American democracy is not undermined.”

and he promised to his supporters that he would overturn Citizens United. A nominee can talk about the kinds of people s/he would nominate to the Supreme Court, but talking about overturning specific decisions gets too close to not respecting the separation of powers and the independence of the Supreme Court.

[Demsrule86]

43. You can't really do that.

They like to pretend they are unbiased.

[JTFrog]

24. Yes. If you look at the history of the case, you'd realize that's a really stupid question.

I get so sick and tired of people here saying that she wouldn't. And yet they will also run around and talk about some fucking list and how vindictive the Clintons are... but folks can't actually imagine her putting an end to Citizen's United which sole purpose was to attack Hillary.

Some really fucking twisted logic all up in this issue.

[oldandhappy]

27. ha ha ha

The corporatist will continue raking in the money. But it will all be for down ticket, don't ya know??!!

[Gothmog]

32. The only way to destroy Citizens United is for a Democrat to be POTUS

President Obama was against Citizens United but had to use a super pac in 2012 to keep the contest close. Hillary Clinton is against Citizens United and has committed to only appoint SCOTUS justices who will vote to overturn this decision https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/14/hillary-clintons-litmus-test-for-supreme-court-nominees-a-pledge-to-overturn-citizens-united/

Hillary Clinton told a group of her top fundraisers Thursday that if she is elected president, her nominees to the Supreme Court will have to share her belief that the court's 2010 Citizens United decision must be overturned, according to people who heard her remarks.

Clinton's emphatic opposition to the ruling, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited sums on independent political activity, garnered the strongest applause of the afternoon from the more than 200 party financiers gathered in Brooklyn for a closed-door briefing from the Democratic candidate and her senior aides, according to some of those present.

"She got major applause when she said would not name anybody to the Supreme Court unless she has assurances that they would overturn" the decision, said one attendee, who, like others, requested anonymity to describe the private session.

If the make-up of the court does not change by 2017, four of the justices will be 78 years of age or older by the time the next president is inaugurated.

This is the only practical way to undo the damage done by Citizen United in that it will be impossible to get a constitutional amendment through congress and the states to undo this decision. That means that if you want to get rid of Citizens United, then one must support a candidate who can win in 2016 and support the most viable general election candidate. Sanders is a very weak general election candidate and I do not want to trust the fate of the SCOTUS to such a weak candidate

[Gothmog]

33. Clinton platorm of campaign finance reform and Citizens United

Here is the Clinton platform on Citizens United and Campaign finance reform https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

Hillary is calling for aggressive campaign finance reform to end the stranglehold that wealthy interests have over our political system and restore a government of, by, and for the people—not just the wealthy and well-connected. Her proposals will curb the outsized influence of big money in American politics, shine a light on secret spending, and institute real reforms to raise the voices of regular voters.

Hillary will:

Overturn Citizens United. Hillary will appoint Supreme Court justices who value the right to vote over the right of billionaires to buy elections. She’ll push for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United in order to restore the role of everyday voters in elections.

End secret, unaccountable money in politics. Hillary will push for legislation to require outside groups to publicly disclose significant political spending. And until Congress acts, she'll sign an executive order requiring federal government contractors to do the same. Hillary will also promote an SEC rule requiring publicly traded companies to disclose political spending to shareholders.

Amplify the voices of everyday Americans. Hillary will establish a small-donor matching system for presidential and congressional elections to incentivize small donors to participate in elections, and encourage candidates to spend more time engaging a representative cross-section of voters.

[CentralCoaster]

51. All of her bullshit doesn't change the damning fact that she takes dark money herself, now.

She has no credibility, all the video clips and statements in the world doesn't speak any louder than her own despicable actions.

[Blue_Tires]

35. How would she overturn a USSC decision?

[Skink]

37. Nominate Obama

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. IF she did, the first feelers on the subject wouldn't be put out until after she won RE-election.

When she doesn't need any more contributions.

[MineralMan]

39. From her website:

Hillary will:

Overturn Citizens United. Hillary will appoint Supreme Court justices who value the right to vote over the right of billionaires to buy elections. She’ll push for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United in order to restore the role of everyday voters in elections.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

Citizens United is still in force, so she is using the tools available to her for this election. For the future, read above. There's more at the link above, too.

[Live and Learn]

46. Nope. nt

[Lucinda]

48. Yep. Perhaps you should research it a bit? n/t

[MFM008]

52. yes

absolutely.

[GoneFishin]

55. No chance. She will pretend to try then cry "But Republicans!". nt