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Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:46 PM

 

Clinton supporters online spreading images of Bernie Sanders head photoshopped on Virgin Mary

Hillary Clinton supporters on the internet are spreading images of religious iconography where Bernie Sanders head is cut and pasted onto an image of the Virgin Mary.

I'm not clear what the point of it is supposed to be but it's bound to be offensive to a large group of people. Really boorish behavior if you ask me. This is what it looks like:



Clintonites have started repeating these images in their avatars and signature lines on some internet web forums and discussion boards.

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Reply Clinton supporters online spreading images of Bernie Sanders head photoshopped on Virgin Mary (Original post)
Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 OP
Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #1
Sheepshank Apr 2016 #78
MisterP Apr 2016 #2
ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #3
HassleCat Apr 2016 #4
VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #5
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #6
Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #12
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #14
Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #23
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #24
Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #30
JSup Apr 2016 #85
rock Apr 2016 #57
pangaia Apr 2016 #28
All in it together Apr 2016 #32
senz Apr 2016 #66
kstewart33 Apr 2016 #81
BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #7
Sinistrous Apr 2016 #15
Armstead Apr 2016 #45
senz Apr 2016 #67
Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #74
KingFlorez Apr 2016 #8
beedle Apr 2016 #13
CTyankee Apr 2016 #19
Armstead Apr 2016 #47
senz Apr 2016 #68
Armstead Apr 2016 #71
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #79
CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #9
beedle Apr 2016 #10
questionseverything Apr 2016 #31
Zira Apr 2016 #34
tk2kewl Apr 2016 #56
Bad Dog Apr 2016 #11
Hortensis Apr 2016 #61
Bad Dog Apr 2016 #64
Hortensis Apr 2016 #69
Bad Dog Apr 2016 #70
Hortensis Apr 2016 #75
Bad Dog Apr 2016 #87
Maedhros Apr 2016 #16
Lone_Wolf Apr 2016 #17
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #83
bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #18
Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #21
FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #38
Tarc Apr 2016 #20
Armstead Apr 2016 #50
Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #22
arcane1 Apr 2016 #37
Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #39
All in it together Apr 2016 #42
TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #25
Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #40
blm Apr 2016 #26
Merryland Apr 2016 #27
jillan Apr 2016 #29
ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #33
jmg257 Apr 2016 #35
Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #55
whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #36
mhatrw Apr 2016 #41
Downwinder Apr 2016 #43
Punkingal Apr 2016 #44
felix_numinous Apr 2016 #46
jwirr Apr 2016 #48
bigwillq Apr 2016 #49
northernsouthern Apr 2016 #51
berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #52
anigbrowl Apr 2016 #76
MerryBlooms Apr 2016 #53
BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #54
Hekate Apr 2016 #58
Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #59
ibegurpard Apr 2016 #60
Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #62
bjo59 Apr 2016 #63
senz Apr 2016 #65
pinebox Apr 2016 #72
NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #73
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #77
kstewart33 Apr 2016 #80
QC Apr 2016 #82
nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #84
Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #86
Bonobo Apr 2016 #88
shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #89
pat_k Apr 2016 #90

Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:48 PM

1. We all love Bernie but I do wish they would stop deifying him!

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Response to Kip Humphrey (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:19 PM

78. I think you "got it"

 

people making fun of the numerous occasions Bernie was compared to Christ and then the (as we were told) invitation and in depth discussions with the Pope regarding social issues

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:49 PM

2. their attacks always just end with him looking better anyways: they go for quantity over quality

when smearing opponents--they've never STUCK with one: there hasn't been a whisper about race now that they're angry about the ban on Catholic female priests and people throwing money at SUVs; then once they switch back it'll be all race and no gender; it's tiresome, feeds the Trump followers, and turns real issues into electoral brickbats for a candidate who openly throws those same issues under the bus

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:50 PM

3. Perhaps they should spend their time defending this...

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:50 PM

4. It's OK, fine, no problem.

 

See, it's perfectly acceptable to make fun of Sanders in ways that would never be permitted for women, minorities, etc. By extension, it's now OK to make fun of the Roman Catholic Church, since they invited Sanders to a conference, and the Pope shook his hand. The word now is the Pope is nothing but a sexist neanderthal pig, so it's OK to dis on his followers.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:52 PM

5. Anyone else getting whiffs of 2008 off this?

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:52 PM

6. Discussed in detail here:

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511745680

I initiated the use of that image at DU as my sig line to put a thumb in the eye of those Sanders supporters who speak of him in terms of a saint rather than just another crappy politician. I was thrilled that my message was received loud and clear.

I took it down in deference to a friend.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:02 PM

12. It's totally boorish and offensive.

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:04 PM

14. Yeah, you said that. It's also free speech.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:29 PM

23. Reminds me of white supremacists who draw offensive cartoons because "free speech"

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:30 PM

24. Really. That stupid photoshop creation reminds you of white supremacists.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:36 PM

30. You're making the same argument they use. You have free speech to post offensive images.

 

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences or criticism.

Nobody questioned your freedom of speech, did they?

So hiding behind a free speech defense is a red herring and the same argument used by white supremacists.

Glad you find it amusing.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #30)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:44 PM

85. Except...

...that he took it down because a friend didn't like it.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:16 PM

57. If you ain't annoyed by someone's free speech

They aren't doing it right.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:35 PM

28. Do you teach this behavior to your chldren?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:39 PM

32. Maybe stop putting thumbs in people's eyes to begin with

Bernie is head and shoulders above most politicians, he deserves the praise.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:50 AM

66. lol, I bet you're glad this is all so anonymous.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:28 PM

81. Buzz, I understand but it best symbolized Bern's brand.

At least among his supporters. Bernie is the Saint and Hillary is the Satan.

That's the meme on this board.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:53 PM

7. That's fair. It's symbolic of the way he behaves and speaks volumes about Bernie

whereas the hot sauce thing is just stupidity and makes no sense considering she's been talking about her love of it for years. I think the Virgin Mary photoshop is pretty genius actually. I can see why it would bother Bernie supporters. It's a good offensive move because it tells a bigger truth about Bernie, and one that his supporters don't want to face.

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Response to BreakfastClub (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:09 PM

15. Care to specify the "bigger truth about Bernie" you alluded to?

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Response to BreakfastClub (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:40 PM

45. Yes because we all know that having ideals is an awful thing to be mocked

 

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Response to BreakfastClub (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:55 AM

67. Bigger truth about Bernie. Bernie has no ego.

 

Bet you can't even imagine that, especially given what you're supporting.

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Response to BreakfastClub (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:48 AM

74. "...the Virgin Mary photoshop is pretty ingenious actually."

 

Especially when you can find OPs like this on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511591182

Bernie Worship




I get goose bumps just looking at you. I try to watch every rally. I feel driven by your words. You are Astonishingly pure in your motives. Your peace is felt across the world. We will not give up. We will rise to do what's right.


The above extract was my personal favorite among the hilarious hagiography to be found there.

Be sure to have a look at that link. It's a study in cultish comportment, plus it's really, really funny.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:54 PM

8. Only reflects how some people view him

I'm starting to think he views himself as some sort of religious, supernatural figure.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:03 PM

13. Much like Obama saw himself as a 'Muslim'

 

when Clinton camp pulled the same BS on him?



Not sure really what's wrong with being a Muslim or a Catholic ... am I missing something? Have the Democratic Establishment released a new rule book on acceptable racism and bigotry?

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:22 PM

19. Oh, please. I'm an antheist and I don't get that about him at all...

And besides, his message has essentially been endorsed by my other favorite Democrat, George Clooney even tho he is supporting Hillary and the downticket Dems. Now Clooney is one I'd love to have an "audience" with...

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:42 PM

47. He looks at himself as an average person who believes society should be moral

 

What an awful thing.

Did you object to the similar disparaging "saintly" mocking references to Sen. Obama and his supporters in 2008?

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Response to Armstead (Reply #47)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:58 AM

68. It's beyond them, Armstead.

 

You might as well be speaking Swahili.

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Response to senz (Reply #68)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:21 AM

71. I know...But I'm tenacious

 

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:23 PM

79. Like Obama being Muslim or not born

 

In the US. You know, the other.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:56 PM

9. I was raised Catholic and I don't get it either. It just looks sexist to me -

they are disparaging him by putting his head on a female body, as if that's some kind of insult.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:59 PM

10. Next up will be Bernie in a turban or some other 'suggestive' headgear.

 

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:37 PM

31. i find it anti Christian

i do not make fun of people of different faiths and i wish they would leave my faith alone as well

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:41 PM

34. +1

 

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:57 PM

56. kind of a graphic way of saying #BernieSoChristian instead of #BernieSoBlack

 

that's my take

nadinbrzezinski posted on it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511745680

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:01 PM

11. It's the internet.

That's what people do, don't let it upset you. Look what they did to our prime minister just for fucking one dead pig.

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Response to Bad Dog (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:45 PM

61. Glad I'd just set my drink down. Lol!

Ooooh, thank you, Bad Dog.

Piggate?! BAD Internet! Bad, bad, baaad Internet!!





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Response to Hortensis (Reply #61)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:56 AM

64. He's got a charmed life.

How many World leaders can do that and stay in office?

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Response to Bad Dog (Reply #64)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:37 AM

69. No doubt he has many zealous supporters.

They're very protective, and their chosen leader is typically never so right as when when he is very wrong.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #69)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:43 AM

70. The Tories are very good at closing ranks.

It will be a different story after the referendum.

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Response to Bad Dog (Reply #70)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:50 PM

75. Good luck with that, for sure.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #75)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:38 AM

87. It's a huge worry.

And generational. Only the older generation wants to leave, but it's not their future they're pissing over.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:13 PM

16. Meh. We know that they are people with no moral compass (they condoned the IWR vote, after all)

 

so things like this don't bother me.

I wouldn't have a problem with Bernie supporters depicting Hillary in a monocle and tophat like the fat cat from the Monopoly game...

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:14 PM

17. The are desecrating Mary. It's a direct snub to the Catholic Church

Mary holds a special place among us Catholics and it's particularly offensive.

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Response to Lone_Wolf (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:38 PM

83. It is a twofer

 

Blood libel is also implied. I am happy to see others are now picking on this.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:18 PM

18. One of our own quite verbal DUer's for Hillary shows that all the time in his/her sig line

then there is the put a fork in him he's done one too...disgusting.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:23 PM

21. Yeah...not feeling the buzz on that one. Clicked on Ignore.

 

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #21)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:52 PM

38. That thing is one of the most odious trolls on the internet

and if he's not getting paid he is dumbest f*&ker on the internet

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:23 PM

20. I'd say it is a dig at Sanders' cult of personality

I love it.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:44 PM

50. You felt the same about the same dig directed at Obama in 2008?

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:27 PM

22. I was a little shocked to only see one hit for, "saint Obama" on DU in my Google search

That person doesn't have your image but something crappy regardless.

What was the more widely used term back then to deride Obama to that effect back then?

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:46 PM

37. I think the rightwingers used to mockingly call him Messiah.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:56 PM

39. Woah, punching that search in returns a lot of results.

Could be fun seeing who used to call him that compared to today.

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:16 PM

42. I think the slam was we think Obama walks on water

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:32 PM

25. It's Just As Classless As Putting Obama in a Hitler Moustache

and speaks volumes about the similarities between member of the Clinton Cult and the Far Right.

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Response to TheSarcastinator (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:57 PM

40. Are Larouchies considered far right?

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:34 PM

26. More petty behavior, this time from HRC supporters.

Is today Petty Monday, or something? Did I miss a memo?

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:35 PM

27. this is awful

It is as offensive as the Clinton face on donald trump & vice - versa - just ugliness that would be offensive to many Catholics as well as Sanders supporters. Ridicule is disgusting.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:35 PM

29. I've seen that. More childish behavior. It doesn't even make sense. Mary was a woman.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:39 PM

33. Amazing how Ole Hill's poll numbers keep going down, while Bernie's go up, and up and up.

 

Maybe they should keep doing what they're doing.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:42 PM

35. Hey - fighting back against this image created of Hillary is fair play!!

[link:|

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:50 PM

55. One among many

the SHOCK and offense at the Bernie rendering rings hollow at this point.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:45 PM

36. Creeps do creepy stuff

Nothing new.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:13 PM

41. anti-catholic and ant-semitic tripe

typical of her entitled 1% WASP base

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:36 PM

43. Sort of negates any Pitiful Pearl cries.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:37 PM

44. That is a new, completely disgusting low.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:41 PM

46. Well next to Bush&Clinton&Co

anyone standing up for human rights must look like a saint. All of these cheap shots just make Bernie Sanders stronger--it works backwards!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:44 PM

48. They are still angry about him going to a world conference

at the Vatican. Poor little kids. They just can't stand that they have competition. So they have to degrade not only Bernie but also the Church.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:44 PM

49. I'm offended

 

that anyone would get offended by this.

Someone is always offended by something.

I think it's kind of silly, and maybe a bit immature, but nothing to be offended about. Let them have their fun.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:47 PM

51. It is very simple...

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:47 PM

52. As a Bernie supporter... I say thanks clintonites.. super large catholic communities in the

upcoming states..

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Response to berniepdx420 (Reply #52)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:16 PM

76. Hardly any of whom will give two hoots about an internet forum meme

 

The notion that this will influence anything other than conversation patterns on DU is pretty amusing. This non-controversy is a classic example of some people being able to dish it out but not take it.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:49 PM

53. That is one of the images nadinbrzezinski discussed in her recent, 'dog whistle'

post-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511745680

There's some decent information and some people willing to discuss the topic, but you have to pick through. It's a good OP.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:49 PM

54. The more the Clintons and their apologists talk, the higher Hillary's negatives go

I hope they keep it up.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:18 PM

58. Your folks started it first, and it was and is pretty intense and insensitive.

Forget asking me for DU links -- it's been all over the place starting about the time someone proclaimed Bernie "a JEWISH CARPENTER!" in caps, with exclamation points.

Self-identified adoring Bernie supporters started using Christian iconography on this agnostic Yiddische mensch with great abandon. Several times I pointed out at DU how inappropriate this is, given his family history (his father's family was wiped out by Christians in the Holocaust; and even after the war was over, good Polish Christians tried to kill off the few Jews returning from the camps).

But it continued unabated.

The frosting on the cake for me was when he started planning a trip to the Vatican. Suddenly Democratic Underground, which has a long and ugly history of hatred of the Roman Catholic Church and whoever the Pope is, including this one, was all over how fabulous it was that Bernie was going to schmooze with the Pope. Well, fine, that IS fabulous if so. HOWEVER, now Bernie's online image became smothered in explicitly Roman Catholic iconography.

So, I am sorry if you suddenly feel offended, Cheese Sandwich. But I know exactly which group started this mishegas. Own it, and fix it yourselves.



JURY: This is a combination of factual DU history and my opinion of it. The facts are there. I'm not trying to be mean -- I've been following these developments with a dropped jaw the whole time. (And by the way, my own late father in law was a Polish Jew whose entire first family, wife, kids, and in-laws, was killed at Auschwitz. It's in my immediate family.)

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:25 PM

59. Offending Catholics is a good way to lose lots of votes.

Please proceed, Clinton supporters.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:26 PM

60. fine with me

I think it's funny

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:45 PM

62. The same group that is cool with Rick Warren but hates the Pope

 

And has the back of an avowed anti-Semite is doing this? I'd put a sarcastic surprised face here but I don't know how.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:07 PM

63. It kind of matches my impression that one of the things

that bothers HRC supporters so much about Bernie is, in fact, precisely that he doesn't lie, he doesn't do deals with banks and corporations, he doesn't say one thing in public and say an opposite thing behind closed doors. A psychoanalyst might suggest that people who are especially invested in disavowing their own less-than-virtuous behavior (and don't we all engage in less-than-virtuous behavior at one point or another?) feel judged and condemned by the mere behavior of others who hold themselves to higher standard. Somehow, Bernie's honesty is an insult to themselves and makes them dislike him all the more.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:27 AM

65. But it's so sweet of them to want us to know there is genuine filth in the world.

 

It's really quite self-sacrificial on their part to act it out so convincingly.

Maybe we can find a way to thank them someday.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:31 AM

72. If you can't beat them.....

 

join them!

There's enough on Google images of Hillary. *wink wink*

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:36 AM

73. It's the image of a Saint and a Bleeding Heart.

 

To the Clinton oligarch enablers it equates to Saint Bernie the Bleeding Heart Liberal.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:18 PM

77. Anti Catholic and anti Semitic

 

A twofer I explains it last week

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:25 PM

80. Seems appropriate.

Isn't that his brand?

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:28 PM

82. A lot of them also have Odin's Cross avatars.

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Response to QC (Reply #82)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:43 PM

84. For the record, to be factual

 

One poster has had that one for years. Call outs are a no-no. It was taken to ATA. So the rest say it is in support of that poster. Just giving you the full record so that particular poster is quite in the clear.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:08 PM

86. It's not a very good photoshop. The face doesn't fit within the veil very well.

Aside from that, I've just thought of it as an interesting display of jealousy. We have a good-hearted candidate. They don't.

I don't mind the association of Sanders with Mother Mary. I was raised as a Catholic and have found deep associations between Mary and the ancient goddess whom the male priesthood changed into a mere human, though a blessed one. Many of the great cathedrals of Europe were built over former goddess shrines, specifically to co-opt the particular power of worshiping God as a woman. To me, now, that goddess represents Mother Earth and all her critters and her totality as the life-giver--as well as the loving, compassionate, nurturing aspect of human life. Without that, we wouldn't be here, as a race of sentient beings. Who carried the babies on their backs or on their hips for thousands of miles out of Africa to everywhere? Who taught their babies to speak? Who taught them to think? Who taught men to be more than simply hungry hunters? Who taught men to love? Who taught them to think of the future?

Just my thoughts as to why people first of all worshiped the Woman, and made images of her (which male anthropologists used to dismiss as mere "fertility figures". Love of children and of fertility and birth led to so many advances in human society and in the human brain. It probably was the beginning of science (noting women's cycles' connection to the moon, etc.) and certainly contributed to the beginnings of human organization and cooperation.

Sanders is the only candidate who has stated that restoring and protecting the Earth is our MORAL duty. He is the only serious presidential contender who has EVER said so (to my memory; or, in any case, has said so and meant it). He was personally drawn to Vermont after attending summer camp as a kid in Brooklyn and finding that he loved nature. (He said this in an interview.) He is a big supporter of organic farming in VT. Organic farmers respect Mother Earth and her ways, and consequently grow much better food--far more nutritious and better tasting.

The Church taught that Mary was (is) a virgin--gave birth to the god-man Jesus without sex, which I have always found ridiculous (even as a kid). That is their core MISTAKE as to everything that followed theologically and their various insults to women (and worse) down through the centuries. However, that IS one aspect of the ancient goddess--the virgin, the innocent girl, the woman who removes herself from men either completely or as a ritual (in the ancient temples) after what was considered healing sex with men (producing children who were raised by the temple). The other aspects of the goddess are the mother (overseer of life) and the crone (overseer of death and regeneration).

The sacred virgin became a repeated theme in sainthood stories of the Church. It was obsessive. Not a week went by when some little "holy card" with a sainted virgin on it was given to me as a little girl. I finally rejected it all as a male obsession. But the notions of purity and purification remain in all of us. They are deeply embedded in our psyche.

One of Sanders' greatest attractions--to me, and I imagine to many others--is that he is not OF the utterly filthy, corrupt and devastatingly bad campaign finance system by which our government is bought and sold by the uber rich. He is pure--or as pure as anyone can get--in this respect. And I think he also offers the transformative notion of purification--that we can reform our system, that democracy can be reborn.

In all of these senses, I don't find the Clintonites' crude little cartoon joke offensive. It is a left-handed compliment. (Ha-ha!) They wish they had a candidate that people look up to in this way. And the fact that they very decidedly don't have such a candidate annoys them, makes them jealous, drives them to poke fun. Too bad they've lost their ideals.

Yes, it is probably offensive to many. It isn't to me. It is just sad that when there is a spark of the divine--a good heart, a genuine commitment to clean government, the desire for a decent society--in a public figure, some respond with ridicule. But every public figure who has had this divine spark has suffered ridicule, even far worse than this. It is not worship to honestly acknowledge such a quality. It is simply a joy to see it in any human being, let alone in a politician.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:39 AM

88. Because it hurts them somewhere inside to know they represent a lack of morals. nt

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:42 AM

89. Take a look in your own backyard.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:45 AM

90. "New and stirring things are belittled because..."

"New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled the humiliating question arises 'Why then are you not taking part in them?'"
-- H.G. Wells


More quotes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511744422

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