2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe thing I find so strange about the voter deletions & party switching
is the reaction from the Clinton camp and the Clinton supporters. They are either completely silent or they make fun of Sander's supporters for wanting to vote.
I don't get it. We're talking about voter suppression. Why the silence? Or at least explain the conspiracy to me. Do you think it's not really happening? If not, then please provide a clear explanation of what is happening so that we can be enlightened. Clearly, the DOJ would like to know as well, since they've launched an investigation in AZ.
It's baffling.
chknltl
(10,558 posts).
Nyan
(1,192 posts)DNC would be trying to figure out what went wrong, and encouraging more and more people to vote.
Oops. Did I say DNC? I mean the Coronation Committee. My bad.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)Probably has nothing to do with Clinton campaign, you'd think they want to clear that up.
elleng
(131,107 posts)just one reason I don't support her.
jillan
(39,451 posts)to vote as a Democrat, they do not know which Democrat you are voting for!
In Arizona we had Hillary voters calling into our local progressive station screaming that they didn't get to vote.
Yet the Hillary supporters on DU were saying we were just mad because she won. And calling voter suppression a joke.
I thought we wanted people to vote?
No comprendo!
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)So if an independent has switched to Democrat, it is a good indication that that person favors Bernie. Bernie is also much more popular among young, first-time voters.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)include election fraud? I would like reassurance of this also, just for the record.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I don't want Republicans and Indies who are happy to break the rules voting. If there is some sort of issue with people who's registration got screwed up because of Sandy, that is a separate issue. But thousands of people who didn't bother to fix they registration until now- while only Republicans can vote republican? Nope.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)I saw the same article, and it was just one example of "what went wrong".
63,000 voters were purged in Bernie's hometown. They were purged between November 2015 - right after the deadline to change party affiliations - until now. Not during Sandy. How would you react if that happened in Chappaqua? They want to open the primary because out of the thousands of voters that have peen purged, how will that get resolved by the election? Polls open in just a few hours.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Four years ago was a particularly bad turnout for a presidential election. Brooklyn also has a huge turnover for rental housing, if people hoped they could vote with their old address, they maybe out of luck if their mail was returned.
Brooklyn has the largest and most volatile housing market in NYC right now. It would have the highest rate of turnover in the city.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Anyone who honestly believes that in a state as large and diverse as New York, there could be a macro-conspiracy to somehow identify likely Sanders voters, and then deliberately disenfranchise them - is flat out insane.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
paulthompson
(2,398 posts)Read this article and get back to us:
http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-how-to-hack-an-election/
Seriously, please read the whole thing.
And if you say it couldn't happen in the US because the US is different, you haven't been paying attention to how easily electronic voting in the US can get hacked, or how shoddily US elections are run in general.
Does that mean it happened and the Hillary camp is behind it? No. I haven't seen evidence of that, at least not yet. But is it crazy to think something like that COULD happen? Also no.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Not electronic voting. I happen to agree that electronic voting kiosks should not be used. I like Oregon's Vote by Mail system actually. No one has a problem with it. Democrats, Republicans, hell even nutcase Constitutionalists and Greens think it works.
But no. Trying to guess how masses of people are going to vote (they haven't voted yet), months ahead, and then removing their registration to favor one candidate, all while surrounded by people of every political stripe, including (gasp) Republicans... just no.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
paulthompson
(2,398 posts)"Trying to guess how masses of people are going to vote (they haven't voted yet), months ahead, and then removing their registration to favor one candidate, all while surrounded by people of every political stripe, including (gasp) Republicans... just no."
Speak of the devil, where did that happen already? How about Florida in 2000?
http://www.salon.com/2000/12/04/voter_file/
Tens of thousands were taken off the voter rolls months in advance due to the likelihood they'd vote for one candidate over another. One can guess the odds by demographic data, just as they did in Florida then. And you know what? It worked? That clearly was way more than the 537 votes Bush won by. And it doesn't involve electronic voting, just changing records way in advance.
Now, I'm not saying that's happening right now in New York or elsewhere. I would need a lot of evidence before I believed that. But to deride the idea as too crazy to even contemplate means one is ignoring recent history.
And it's not just Florida in 2000 - the exact same thing is happening in this election. Check out this video interview of the same reporter who wrote that 2000 article:
https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/greg-palast-how-the-2016-election-will-be-stolen/
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)Apparantly for some, calling oneself a Democrat does not come with any needs to defend the democratic process when clearly it needs defending.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)It's totally awesome if nobody's vote counts, just as long as they win.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)After hurricane Sandy, a measure was passed to allow people who were stranded away from their regular polling place to vote by affidavit ballot.
One problem. Apparently, when you signed the affidavit ballot you also waived party affiliation. That it, you were effectively re-registering as unaffiliated.
It explains a lot. No conspiracy. Big problem.
For more see OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511772737
P.S. There are posts on the thread from Hillary supporters who are upset about this too.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)The implication by many Bernie supporters is that Hillary supporters are up to no good, but Hillary supporters know Hillary supporters and believe they are honest.
You find the same phenomenon in caucus states where Hillary supporters think Bernie supporters are up to no good, but Bernie supporters know Bernie supporters and believe they are honest.
It's worth noting that in Arizona, both the Clinton and Sanders campaign are suing the state.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)protesting. But there isn't.