2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCNN's coverage has been horribly biased
I was watching Erin Burnett OutFront last night, and she trashes the president's 20 page plan and takes what he said in the debate completely out of context, all with a smug look on her face. I used to think CNN was fair, but after hearing them call the THIRD debate a tie after Obama won the CBS poll of undecideds by 30 points was disgusting. He won the CBS poll by double digits in debate 2 as well, and they also called that one a tie.
And their coverage on so-called "Benghazi-gate" (what a joke) has been horrible.
CNN used to be honest. They called them as they saw them. Then, the right-wing noise machine got to them and they decided to be "fair and balanced". Not Faux News supposed fair and balanced, but basically finding fault with BOTH sides of the aisle and basically saying, well, a pox on both the Democrats and the Republicans.
Lately, however, they seem to be turning into Fox News's evil sibling. They have all these obnoxious commentators like Dana Loesch (who excuse Akin's legitimate rape comments), Ari Fleischer (who lies off his ass every night), and Erick Erickson (who I want to punch in the face every time I see him on tv). The liberal guys they get to counter these guys are jokes. It reminds me of Hannity & Colmes. Stupid but loud conservative, vs smart but weak-kneed and kowtowing liberal.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts).... was happening, because someone in the state dept. told him so. It would have been breaking news if he was not told about it.
Gloria Borger is their worst pundit.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)If he's considered a pundit. And the love he shows Donald Trump is just disgusting.
They're a pathetic little network. He gets on camera, shits on CNN, and he just takes it and kisses his ass.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Saw Rachel own him on MTP once - where he showed he knew absolutely nothing about anything - and heard him after Debate 3. Had to turn off the live stream and try to find other post debate coverage online.
CNN is unwatchable at this point. I only watched debates online.
How about when Wolf Blitzer announced the wrong SCOTUS decision on Obamacare? Sheesh.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)Head full of mush. He's a right-wing Cuban-American who the Republicans bring on when they want to try to appeal to Latino voters. You know, maybe the Mexican-American undocumented people will "Self-deport" when they see how good Alex looks on TV. What a fucking joke. Latinos see right through that shit. Cubans aren't like most Latinos. They have it fucking easy. If they can make it here, green card within a year. No need to worry about being deported. They're the favored group since they mostly vote right-wing and kick up a mess if we try to reunite children with their parents.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)It is a much more conservative network now than it was in the last election.
It is now Fox News lite.
factsarenotfair
(910 posts)And I'm not sure Wolf Blitzer is human.
Rincewind
(1,358 posts)he's a rejected muppet.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,189 posts)hvn_nbr_2
(6,793 posts)But it's been going on since before 2008.
still_one
(98,883 posts)haven't watched them since 2000
They still don't get it either, why they have lost their ratings
Most progressives if they have to watch something will turn to MSNBC
Sugarcoated
(8,240 posts)so they go too far with it, and are easily manipulated by the Repug spinners. And of course looking to sensationalize for ratings.
I've watched them since the Ted Turner days . . . they've lost me, so now their meager ratings will be even smaller. Good.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)defacto7
(14,162 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)ratings are in the toilet but they're incapable of doing any real news reporting to pull themselves out.
It would be a good thing if cnn curled up and died from lack of viewers.
lostmybeeragain
(26 posts)I am not trying to be a trouble maker here, I am just looking for meaningful discourse. Having said that, I was pleased with CNN's coverage of the 2012 election today. In fact, I was tickled to death. I had a blast watching Obama vote early via touch screen in his hometown; live. I hit my "last channel" button and pointed my TV toward MSNBC as the fun began. I had been stuck on CNN all day for whatever reason, but this seemed like something that I should experience with my quasi-family at MSNBC. Alas, they were in a commercial break as the President was voting and I congratulated myself on having opted for CNN today. I usually flip between CNN MSNBC FOX and CSPAN so that I can honestly tell myself that I am being media literate. I flip at a feverish pace that angers my girlfriend; this feverish pace has made it impossible for me to know the CNN crew by name. I did, however notice that they had a dark haired woman that was outwardly liberal today. She was, indeed, offset by some curiously conservative guests, for sure. Nevertheless, she did not seem discouraged. I would, of course, recognize Ari Fleischer anywhere and I shared your pain at the sight of him, but I thought that it all ended up in a wash at the end of the day. I must say that I was even impressed with the tall beautiful blonde woman on Fox News this morning. The one that comes on before the dude who looks like a frog? She shut down some weirdo as he tried to suggest that President Obama let these people die in Libya. In no uncertain terms she told this guy that he was full of shit.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)thanks
lostmybeeragain
(26 posts)I am Not Sure What You Mean by pimping Fox News, Republicrat. Nice avatar.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)Bragging on how fair Fox News is. Come off it. just slink back to your hole.
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IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)Rip off your shirt and show your true colors, why don't you?
lostmybeeragain
(26 posts)That is pretty smug advice coming from someone who has the anonymous silhouette for an avatar.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)I hope you like frozen pizza. Game's up for you, sweet cheeks. So concerned aren't you. Do you have spiky hair to go along with your concern? Maybe spiky hair in an unusual color, like green or pink? you endorsed fox news and gave yourself away.
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lostmybeeragain
(26 posts)It did seem like Wolf was getting on our case a little bit for a while. While President Obama was voting, however, Wolf sais something like there is a guy who will carry his home state. No doubt about that. This made my heart feel all warm.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)Really smells like freeperville around here.
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pointsoflight
(1,372 posts)ejbr
(5,892 posts)Journeyman
(15,448 posts)deny them your presence and perhaps, one day, they'll realize that without you they aren't making enough money to survive, so they'll change in an effort to draw you back.
It's like a union, only the battlefield is not your labor but your mind. Use it (your mind) and they'll lose it (both their money and their minds). We can force them to be responsible.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)NBC Nightly News, PBS NewsHour, NPR and MSNBC. That's it. A mix of pure unbiased news (NBC Nightly with Brian Williams (he has been fair to Obama), PBS NewsHour and NPR) along with partisan news (MSNBC).
lostmybeeragain
(26 posts)I mentioned that it was my goal to be media literate, not a photo negative of an ignorant Republican.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)Mr/Ms Fox News is fair and balanced.
lostmybeeragain
(26 posts)If that is the only way that you can conceptualize media literacy, then I guess so.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)nt
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Reasonableness isn't rewarded.
Thekaspervote
(35,820 posts)Yes they are biased!! I agree deny them your viewership, they know what their numbers are... Shrinking is the verb that comes to mind.
bimbocoles
(26 posts)she goes off on false Libya reporting every night and seems to be more harsh on Obama than Romney. I saw that piece where she was criticizing Obama's jobs plan but she was quick to call out Obama's surrogates on their bashing of Romney's jobs plan. Especially the 5 trillion dollar figure. Go look up up how low her ratings are so far this year, pretty ugly for her and CNN.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)Net 7PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC The Fox Report W/S.SMITH 2,293 541 1,075
CNN ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT 525 165 273
MSNBC HARDBALL WITH C. MATTHEWS 1,279 441 634
CNBC Kudlow Report 196 27 83
HLN JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL 276 102 114
525k total viewers. Barely 40% of what the RERUN of the 5 pm Hardball gets. In terms of the 25-54 demo that advertisers like to target, she's barely getting a third of what Hardball gets. Yeah, the best thing we can do is just not watch her.
How does CNN even stay in business with such low ratings? CNBC is a special channel because they don't need to have as many bodies around the world covering stories, but damn, looks like CNN is gonna go broke.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)Hyper_Eye
(689 posts)They are trying desperately to find an audience. It would appear that when they look at the ratings they find the ratings for Fox News most appealing and they hope they can take a slice of it. I think it is blatant. They used to be right down the middle calling balls and strikes on both sides. This election cycle they have pandered to Romney and the right so hard it is insane! They called the first debate for Romney without a moments hesitation. Every debate after that they have tried to call a tie. They had to concede on the last debate because the poll numbers made them look like idiots. Even their own poll said Obama won that debate! Ever since the first debate it has been nothing but story after story about Romney's so-called "momentum" even though the polls have been stagnant ever since the VP debate or even moving a little bit in favor of President Obama.
I notice the stupid changes they have been making on their website as well. It used to be that if they put any "fun news" or news related to pop culture on the website people would pop into the comments and mock them for considering the article news. The comments would say that CNN was trying to distract from the real news that is the disaster of the Obama presidency or that they were just wasting people's time with those articles. Those people don't have to click those articles! It is a news organization. They can and should do news on many different subjects! Well CNN apparently decided they had to pander to these idiots and acknowledge their idiotic conspiracy theories. Now they preface these articles with "Distraction: " or "This is supposed to be news: ". Give me a fucking break! Don't pander to those morons! These are the people that think every news organization except Fox News has an extreme liberal bias. They are the same people that think Drudge Report is nothing but links to news articles (this line is exactly the same from every person that looks at that site... they are deluded.)
Erin Burnett is terrible. Cenk was on her case almost instantly when she started over there. I wasn't sure if he might have been a little overboard with his criticism of her but after watching her show a few times recently I feel like she would be right at home at Fox News. Keep in mind that CNN was the original home of Glenn Beck. I remember telling people while he was at CNN that they should be watching out for that guy because he was nuts. CNN was also home for Lou Dobbs for a long long time. CNN does have one person that I enjoy watching and that is Don Lemon. I guess you can find a good one in the bunch no matter where you look because I also like Shep Smith who is on Fox News. Too bad I can't stand to give them ratings long enough to watch him for any length of time.
bimbocoles
(26 posts)a lot of men just don't take women seriously as reporters either in sports or news. Katie Couric consistently had the lowest ratings of all 3 nightly news networks as long as she was there. I will probably not watch Erin Burnett again. On a side note, Wolf Blitzer has the most boring monotonous voice I have ever heard. I change the channel when Situation Room comes on cause he puts me to sleep.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)And Diane Sawyer regularly beats Scott Pelley in the ratings. I think CBS evening news just sucks, probably.
bimbocoles
(26 posts)Erin just not reporting the facts. I 'm pretty sure most of CNN's audience leans left and she seems to bash Obama more which is not smart if most of your audience tends to support him. Her ratings are lower than John King USA's ratings were, which is the show she replaced. I think CNN thought if we put a cute female anchor on one of our shows we might duplicate some of Fox's success.
bimbocoles
(26 posts)I saw him go after the R Gov of Virginia as he was trying to spread Romney's campaign lie about our Navy being at it's smallest level ever. He called him out and said the facts don't support that and it's just not true. He mentioned it was smallest under dubya in 2007. I guess he's tolerable.
IfPalinisAnswerWatsQ
(452 posts)Then I saw the Clinton Navy secretary come on and he also smashed Governor Ultrasound's arguments.
Anderson Cooper, Fareed Zakaria, and Soledad O'Brien seem to be the only decent CNN personalities.
Shephard Smith is the only sane one at Faux.
jimlup
(8,010 posts)Her history is as a hack for CNBC's hatchet team. She's totally bought into the pro-corporate mentality (people exist to serve corporations and thus the rich.)
woolldog
(8,791 posts)When she was on CNBC she would often take the liberal position on issues and push back. So I'm surprised to see this change, although I don't watch her show on CNN. I did tune in briefly a d saw her trashing obamas plan and turned off the show.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)They try too hard to fake intelligence and it just looks like their peddling daddy/hubby's talking points.
Liberal women actually have a mind of their own. I take them very seriously.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)bimbocoles
(26 posts)I saw him go after the R Gov of Virginia as he was trying to spread Romney's campaign lie about our Navy being at it's smallest level ever. He called him out and said the facts don't support that and it's just not true. He mentioned it was smallest under dubya in 2007. I guess he's tolerable.
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bimbocoles
(26 posts)I saw him go after the R Gov of Virginia as he was trying to spread Romney's campaign lie about our Navy being at it's smallest level ever. He called him out and said the facts don't support that and it's just not true. He mentioned it was smallest under dubya in 2007. I guess he's tolerable.
liberalla
(11,089 posts)Erin Burnett especially...
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Which is why she slammed Occupy Wall Street with negative coverage last year.
Her husband works for CitiBank, I believe.
I like your Carmona sign.
I've been giving a bit of help to the Carmona online-team lately.
liberalla
(11,089 posts)Cool! Thank you for your work for Rich Carmona. Did you see his new ads out yesterday?
The "Confirmation" one is really good. I posted them if you're interested... http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251178290
back at you
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)CNN =
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)She's ultra pro-business right winger.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)She did a piece on the occupy movement and trashed them.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with her pro teabagger bias....
Meet The Citigroup Executive Who's Engaged To Erin Burnett
http://www.businessinsider.com/david-rubulotta-2011-9
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)for those of us who are non-military unless we get a dish.
There are a few decent people still. I like Anderson Cooper and Kristie Lou Stout out of Hong Kong is really good. I also like Fareed Zakria's show GPS. Piers Morgan is a punk and I'd like to knock his teeth out. The same with Wolf Blitzer.
marked50
(1,584 posts)Never was a fan of Blitzer but when he relentlessly chastised Hilary Rosen about her Ann Romney comment he made me swear to never watch him again. Soledad O'Brien can be pretty good but I've never watched her show in it's entirety.
Thrill
(19,342 posts)I haven't watched it since 2010. I thought Burnett was on CNBC
vilify
(102 posts)They are desperate for ratings so they're attempting to duplicate fox news right wing crap but its all for show and lacks any passion. Its just pathetic.
NHDEMFORLIFE
(489 posts)I gave up on them, and the rest of TV "journalism", awhile ago.