We are the base of the party. The POC, the LGBT, the feminists.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

The ones disenfranchised in multiple ways, not just by economics.

Insinuations on DU, that Sanders would win if not for the base of the party, is OTT racist and sexist, and the fact that these posts and OP's don't get deleted continue to demonstrate that the internet space is mostly for straight white men and the votes considered most legitimate also come from that demographic.

We are the base, and we make this party. And if the large parts of the entire base is voting for one candidate, then she is the legitimate representative of the party. No amount of belittling her and the base of the party changes that.

[haikugal]

1. Link?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. To what?

[haikugal]

14. To support your claim.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. Which one exactly?

[haikugal]

29. .

Insinuations on DU, that Sanders would win if not for the base of the party, is OTT racist and sexist, and the fact that these posts and OP's don't get deleted continue to demonstrate that the internet space is mostly for straight white men and the votes considered

Support your claim.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. there is this huge thread that is clearly in GDP. if you took a second you would find it

if i linked to it, it would be considered a call out/meta.

[haikugal]

69. Link please...

I have no idea what you're talking about without some kind of reference.

This is your claim..

Insinuations on DU, that Sanders would win if not for the base of the party, is OTT racist and sexist, and the fact that these posts and OP's don't get deleted continue to demonstrate that the internet space is mostly for straight white men and the votes considered

[La Lioness Priyanka]

77. fine. i'll pm the thread to you. nt

[haikugal]

107. Thank you.

I don't think that link supports your claim, at all. I also don't see why you couldn't link to it but I'll accept your explanation.

The cut off for changing registration was October of last year and I think that had more to do with Hillary's win last night. Some here think that's fine, who needs those voters anyway but those voters (Independents) are larger in number than the registered Dems...they are some 40% of the voters.

Independents are just as likely to be disaffected liberals as they are to be conservatives.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-far-harder-to-change-parties-in-new-york-than-in-any-other-state/

I think we all need to take a hard look at how our elections are run and why. This is an issue that should have been addressed after the 2000 fiasco but somehow our democratically elected representatives didn't think it important. How can that be true in our country...oh yeah...money.

I don't think dividing us all up into groups is going to work much longer..

[La Lioness Priyanka]

109. we are divided in groups, in how we vote and more importantly how we experience life. nt

[haikugal]

120. We have much more in common than not.

Groups are used to keep us separate and while acknowledging eachother we can also acknowledge differences without demeaning. These issues have been used to keep us all apart and easily manipulated.

Common cause is much more poweeful.

[1StrongBlackMan]

161. I agree ...

Common cause is much more poweeful.

So I look forward to you joining with us to prioritize racial/social justice over economic justice.

[Haveadream]

203. Thank you! I said this in another post but it applies here

There has always been inequality. Before the top 1% was an issue, before the banks and the corporations began to monopolize the marketplace, millions of people in the United States experienced what white, middle class men are just starting to. The disparity of wealth and opportunity was not created by today's 1%. The 1% has simply brought it to the attention of a group who had not previously been affected. Thus, the wistfulness for the "good old days" is one that many Democrats do not share.

For the first time, the white, middle class male is experiencing just some of what minorities and women have for centuries. For them, it is primarily an emerging economic injustice. But, for many Democrats, it has always been about that and so much more. That is why many don't hold the 1% exclusively accountable for the systemic oppression they have always faced. The 1% did not create it; it has ALWAYS been there. And it comes from a place deep within the 99% where discrimination and inequality are just part of everyday life.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

208. beautifully said. nt

[redstateblues]

284. The 1%vs 99% meme is grossly inaccurate

There is a much larger percentage of Americans in this country that is prospering greatly. You can't convince me that someone making 75K- 90K in my state is suffering. It's a false meme.

[1StrongBlackMan]

286. No ... There are plenty of people making $75-90K

suffering ... but, the point many seem to not understand is their stuffing be resolved by another $25-1,000,000K.

[Haveadream]

291. Particularly not if they are fortunate enough to be in a a group protected by privilege

That protection and lack of suffering has less to do with income and more to do with not being the target of discrimination.

[brer cat]

235. Yes and Yes!

[Lazy Daisy]

280. I have

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

[1StrongBlackMan]

285. What part of Bernie's definition/platform of Social Justice ...

does not resonate with the vast majority of Black voters do you not understand?

You are not helping.

[1StrongBlackMan]

159. The basis for that thinking (you responded to) is really supremacist at its root ...

it says, "if everybody would just be like me ( a representative of the dominant culture), everything would be alright."

[CorporatistNation]

272. HILLARYOUS... You Ardently Support Someone Whom You Have ZERO Clue About!

This phenomenon is in fact detrimental to DEMOCRACY and antithetical to WHAT you think that you are supporting...

Here is WHAT you are supporting.... REALLY....

[1StrongBlackMan]

287. Do you understand the vast majority of the Black electorate ...

living in combat zones and Black political leadership representing those combat zone called for and supported the Crime Bill?

And the vast majority of those blaming Hillary ... are doing so with the benefit of hindsight?

And (I would wager that) the majority of the white folks blaming Hillary has NOT A DAMNED THING TO DO WITH THE EFFECT on the Black community.

For evidence, do a internet search of the Omnibus Crime Bill ... prior to April 2015.

Your "concern" is so damned transparent; but noted, anyhow.

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. Is this ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511786350

the link you are looking for?

While I disagree with LLP's characterization of the internet:

and the fact that these posts and OP's don't get deleted continue to demonstrate that the internet space is mostly for straight white men

It is spot on, regarding DU.

Actually, straight white males make up a small minority of World-Wide Web participants; but ...

Shhh ... I don't want to toss another log onto the "realization" fire that is producing so much angst and ire among straight white males.

[musicblind]

124. I think the OP is referring to this post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1786350


One thing I don't like about the primaries: When one person who supports a candidate does something over-the-top, the opposition lumps everyone else in. They act as if "everyone else" agrees.

For example:

A Bernie supporter insults women and minorities.

Hillary supporter's respond: Why do Bernie supporters (indicating ALL of them) insult women and minorities?

OR

A Hillary supporter says Bernie is *****.

Bernie supporters respond: Why do Hillary supporters (indicating ALL of them) call Bernie a ***** and then expect party unity?

[haikugal]

126. Very true and thanks for the link.

[rhett o rick]

176. Here is what Martin Luther King Jr had to say about capitalism. The system that Clinton

champions.

"Capitalism does not permit an even flow of economic resources. With this system, a small privileged few are rich beyond conscience, and almost all others are doomed to be poor at some level. That's the way the system works. And since we know that the system will not change the rules, we are going to have to change the system."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Capitalism has not been a friend of the AA community and neither have the Clintons.

[haikugal]

202. Thank You!

[CentralCoaster]

17. LOL. Many people know Sanders is a better choice for POC, especially, and LGBT, as well.

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With respect to POC, the dude that will end prison as we know it and lift the minimum wage offers far more hope to POC, who are disproportionately negatively impacted by poverty and the legal system.

LGBT folks will benefit from the full spectrum of Sanders' vision: Be it wages, savings, health care, or other.

He's the candidate that lifts us all, he doesn't pander, and he doesn't consider the Reagans heros in the AIDS efforts.

[gollygee]

23. Most POC are not in prison and are not poor

But that's illustrative of the problem.

[haikugal]

34. They are over represented in prison and many are poor.

Acknowledging that isn't racism.

[gollygee]

41. It's illustrative of the problem

This is IMO Bernie's one weak point, and also IMO it cost him this nomination.

If you talk to people of color and say, "I am going to help fight racism by fighting poverty and fighting the current prison system" you are saying that you don't How racism has hurt people who have money and are not in prison. You aren't speaking to most POC, and they aren't going to vote for you. They want to hear about fighting racism that ALL POC face. Poverty and the criminal justice system, AND education and job advancement (including high level jobs) and housing, etc.

[haikugal]

57. No. I don't think that's the reason Hillary won.

The system was tweaked to favor her. The Democratic Party loaded this election when they cut off the people's ability to change party affiliation to last October. Many people had no idea who he was at that time.

It has nothing to do with Hillary and everything to do with the way our elections are run.

[gollygee]

64. That's more magical thinking IMO

There's no way he would have gotten enough more votes to win New York. And Hillary's voters would have been impacted by this as well.

[haikugal]

73. I very much disagree.

[PyaarRevolution]

278. Then WHY?!

Wasn't Hillary screaming about it in her Twitter feed? I was looking through it at the time and saw no comments or complaining on voter suppression.

[apcalc]

59. Economic equality

Is not the answer to discrimination, which is quite alive and well in this country in all economic classes.

[haikugal]

78. That's not true.

Racism, sexism, nationalism etc. etc. are a part of our history and present. We have a lot of growing to do.

Having an equal chance financially makes a huge difference. Even MLK said so.

[1StrongBlackMan]

173. But those arguing economic equality are not primarily concerned with discrimination ...

they are primarily concerned with their own pocket and dressing it up as some unifying, altruistic, endeavor.

[rhett o rick]

189. I see that you don't have a clue about progressives. From your point of view we can't be altruistic.

However, the progressives have been the ones down thru history that have been altruistic. It's the conservatives that you've aligned with that have brought us the problems of racism, etc.

Your attempts to paint all progressives as selfish seems odd. To what end are you working? The Clintons have never been helpful to the AA community. Ask Michelle Alexander or Black Lives Matter Activist Ashley Williams.

Capitalism hasn't been good to the AA community yet you look to Clinton to change the system of systematic racism. Her Prisons For Profits are bulging at the seams and will continue to grow for profits. They are making the inmates work for penneys and charging them for their incarceration. It's the new slavery and the Clintons are deep into it.

“Far from resisting the emergence of the new caste system, Clinton escalated the drug war beyond what conservatives had imagined possible a decade earlier. As the Justice Policy Institute has observed, “the Clinton Administration’s ‘tough on crime’ policies resulted in the largest increases in federal and state prison inmates of any president in American history.”99 Clinton eventually moved beyond crime and capitulated to the conservative racial agenda on welfare. This move, like his “get tough” rhetoric and policies, was part of a grand strategy articulated by the “new Democrats” to appeal to the elusive white swing voters. In so doing, Clinton—more than any other president—created the current racial undercaste. He signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which “ended welfare as we know it,” replacing Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a block grant to states called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). TANF imposed a five-year lifetime limit on welfare assistance, as well as a permanent, lifetime ban on eligibility for welfare and food stamps for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense—including simple possession of marijuana.”
― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow

[1StrongBlackMan]

204. I know what DU:Progressive show me on a near daily basis ...

and I only say near, because I don't get to DU every day.

And I didn't say ALL progressives.

[rhett o rick]

241. What specific issues do the progressives support that you object to? nm

[1StrongBlackMan]

247. I don't have problems with Progressives ...

I do have problems with progressive, as represented on DU (and in some cases, the Bernie camp). I have told you this before ... several times.

[DemocracyDirect]

60. It's illustrative of our problem to admit that POC exist and are overrepresented in prison?

Oh you want to hear about this...

Poverty and the criminal justice system, AND education and job advancement (including high level jobs) and housing, etc.

Sounds like Bernie Sanders' stump speech.

I guess you've never seen one.

[gollygee]

66. I have

And I've seen him revert back to welfare and prison in response to questions about racism.

[DemocracyDirect]

76. So we should just pass laws to make racism illegal?

Or should we fix problems with welfare and end mass incarceration?

[gollygee]

79. There can be laws that affect racism

And there have been in our country's history. Those would be good things for candidates to talk about.

[DemocracyDirect]

87. Well my candidate was marching on Washington during the civil rights movement...

and chained himself to a black women to create those laws and enforce them.

Hillary Clinton has the Crime Bill and Barry Goldwater.

[1StrongBlackMan]

179. And then, he spent the next 50 years ...

approximately 10 times the amount of time he spent marching and chaining himself to Black women) not doing so.

You forgot that part of his story.

[DemocracyDirect]

269. How quickly they forget those who put life and limb on the line for them.

Oh well.

Show me the money.

[1StrongBlackMan]

273. LOL ... That's what you wish to go with? LOL

Oh well ... show me the Vermont protests.

[obamneycare]

122. BLM's Campaign Zero shows that Bernie has the best criminal justice platform

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#campaign

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...

He also received the endorsement of Chicago's Teachers' Union - CORE Teachers

http://twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/702179884488126464

[CentralCoaster]

37. But most prisoners are POC, clearly, and Clinton does nothing for them.

We're all in this together. The OP claim is specious and inaccurate.

The base is a hell of a lot larger than POC and LGBT-- they've left out unions and the working poor, (regardless of race and orientation).

It's a divisive and exclusive POV and wrong. And, Sanders offers more to these people.

We're all in this together, Clinton panders well and that's about it.

[EffieBlack]

206. Not true

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Most prisoners in federal prisons (the only prisons over which presidents and senators have jurisdiction) are not POC and must POC are not in prison. 58.8 percent of federal prisoners are white. https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp

But your stereotype-driven assumption demonstrates a fundamental problem with the Sanders campaign.

[CentralCoaster]

227. Check again. 40% > 39%. And, "POC" includes more than African Americans. Most inmates are POC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color

But even if we look at strictly Black vs White, leaving out Latino and Native, there are more blacks than whites:





You're BOP lumps Latino in with white to arrive at the values shown. Then they display ethnicity separately from race.

I think it's creative accounting.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_ethnicity.jsp

[EffieBlack]

245. You're looking at federal prisons AND state prisons and jails

The only incarcerations relevant to this discussion are federal since presidents and senators have no jurisdiction over state incarcerations.

This is one of the major problems with Sanders' claims. He rails about incarceration - citing an aggregated number of state and federal incarcerations - and promises to reduce the number exponentially in his first term, knowing full well he would have absolutely no power over state prisons. It sounds good but it's mostly smoke and mirror.

Bernie Sanders is pledging big things when it comes to criminal justice reform, vowing that by the end of his first term as president the nation would no longer be the world leader in incarceration:

"I promise at the end of my first term we won't have more people in jail than in any other country.

But, as racial-justice activist Deray McKesson pointed out in response, Sanders' promise raises a serious question: Is that even possible, considering that the vast majority of the nation's inmates are held in state, not federal, prisons?"

The Sanders campaign did not respond to multiple requests for an explanation, but the short answer is that the Democratic candidate couldn't realistically fulfill his promise. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, about 2.2 million Americans were locked up as of the end of 2013. Of those, only 215,000 inmates (9.6 percent) were in federal prisons. The rest were in state and local facilities. So even if President Sanders abolished federal prisons altogether, the United States would still have more prisoners than any other country by a pretty large margin. China, which is No. 2 in the world, has 1.7 million prisoners. To edge below China, Sanders would need to cut the national prison population by about 25 percent, with most of that coming from places that are outside federal jurisdiction.

http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/01/bernie-sanders-plan-fight-mass-incarceration-doesnt-add-up

[Armstead]

67. But like everyone else...They need good jobs, housing, medical care and...

a government that is beholden to them and not to Corporate/Wall St. interests.

[gollygee]

75. Racism has always caused those things to be more out of reach for them

Talking regularly and specifically about how he would make sure that everyone benefitted - how he would fight racism to make sure it didn't affect who benefitted - would have made a huge difference. People of color didn't get Social Security at first. People of color didn't get the GI Bill. There's a history here and more progressive candidates can't ignore it if they want to win elections. The country is moving to the left, so there's real hope that progressive candidates will start to be the norm, but they have to speak to people of color in the ways that matter to them.

[Armstead]

90. He has been saying what you are talking about. all along

And, if you look at his his history (all his life from the 60's to now) he has been saying those things, and taking action on them.

I wish that had gotten through to more people.

[1StrongBlackMan]

96. There is no "respect" in a post that starts with "thoughtful people know" ...

just more arrogant idiocy.

[CentralCoaster]

118. edited to "many thoughtful". nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

154. That is no better ... I will explain it as simply as I can ...

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using the qualifier (no, too big a word) "thoughtful" ... Let me start over ... using the word "thoughtful" to describe someone, inherently (hell ... too big a word here, too; but, I can't dumb it down any more ... I'll be all day) means those that disagree (i.e., don't see Sanders as a/the better choice) are not thoughtful.

Please confirm reception.

Furthermore, and I'll say this as directly, and hopefully inoffensively, as possible ... in a discussion of who is a/the better/best candidate for a class that you are not a part of, even as that group tells you otherwise (in this case, via their votes) is paternalistic, arrogant and, ultimately, ignorant.

[CentralCoaster]

170. I'll defer, remove the word, but I wonder if you hold the OP to any similary scrutiny.

I find the OP divisive.

And, it's quite telling that you profess to know my gender, race, and sexual orientation.

I'll kindly ask you to remove your reference to that and the comment that includes "who aren't "POC, the LGBT, the feminists"?"

Because that is straight up bullshit.

[1StrongBlackMan]

182. It's an content based assumption.

And no ... I will not remove those references.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

133. You saw that...

[Tarc]

117. Why aren't they turning out for Sanders, then?

Any thoughts on that?

[haikugal]

184. What makes you think they aren't?

He has won in very diverse states. The more people learn about Bernie the better he does. Don't forget there has been a blackout in the media regarding Bernie's campaign where Hillary and Trump have wall to wall coverage.

Bernie has nothing to apologize for in any regard.

[Demsrule86]

129. You know who would be the worst for LGBT?

Ted Cruz or Donald Trump...and you all risk electing them by attacking Hillary Clinton who will be the nominee. At this point, it is just plain selfish to do so.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

135. Selfish indeed.

And then there are those who do this but have an agenda, as well.

[CentralCoaster]

150. Nobody is attacking Clinton, she's her own worst enemy.

We need to let this primary play out.

Clinton is already damaged goods, she could implode at any moment between now and the GE.

[Haveadream]

207. Who are the many people who "know Sanders is better" for PoC & LGBT?

PoC and LGBT are voting for Hillary.

[NCTraveler]

2. Huge K&R. nt.

[LexVegas]

3. That's some harsh truth you are laying down.nt

[rhett o rick]

178. Michelle Alexander has a different look at the "harsh" truth of the Clinton's relationsip with

the AA community.

“Far from resisting the emergence of the new caste system, Clinton escalated the drug war beyond what conservatives had imagined possible a decade earlier. As the Justice Policy Institute has observed, “the Clinton Administration’s ‘tough on crime’ policies resulted in the largest increases in federal and state prison inmates of any president in American history.”99 Clinton eventually moved beyond crime and capitulated to the conservative racial agenda on welfare. This move, like his “get tough” rhetoric and policies, was part of a grand strategy articulated by the “new Democrats” to appeal to the elusive white swing voters. In so doing, Clinton—more than any other president—created the current racial undercaste. He signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which “ended welfare as we know it,” replacing Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a block grant to states called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). TANF imposed a five-year lifetime limit on welfare assistance, as well as a permanent, lifetime ban on eligibility for welfare and food stamps for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense—including simple possession of marijuana.”
― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow

[Orsino]

4. Sorry, but the money is the base.

We are permitted on camera as stunt doubles, however.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. If money were votes, Jeb bush would have won

The republican primary.

[Orsino]

21. That was just Big Money making up its mind.

Jeb didn't, or couldn't, dance hard enough.

[geek tragedy]

10. Sanders outspent Clinton here by a 2-1 ratio, still got his ass kicked nt

[Orsino]

24. The Big Money was elsewhere. n/t

[geek tragedy]

31. Clinton won because the Democratic base is just not that into him nt

[Orsino]

42. She wins in large part because the money is so into her.

But in NY she is also home team, or more so than her opponent.

That other base mentioned in the OP is still into her, though, as you say.

[geek tragedy]

47. Money favored Sanders in NY, and he got his ass kicked.

Because the core constituencies of the Democratic base were just not interested in what he was selling.

At some point, participating in democracy has to mean accepting that people will disagree with you, and sometimes those people are the majority.

[Orsino]

63. Nope.

He gave the juggernaut a good run in that state, and the result was in no way an ass-kicking. The former NY senator, the former first lady and SoS to the current popular president backed by Big Money, could not be knocked out of the lead in NY.

[geek tragedy]

80. it was a 16 point margin. That's an ass-kicking

and "backed by big money" is factually inaccurate, since the vast majority of money spent was spent on behalf of Sanders

[Orsino]

89. You are neglecting the superdelegates...

...and all the Big Money that has supported Clinton over the years/decades. That's factual inaccuracy.

[geek tragedy]

101. superdelegates have zero influence on the pledged delegate count. red herring nt

[Orsino]

108. Nope. Mindshare is what's at stake.

Clinton began the campaign with all of that driven by Big Money and her own accomplishments, plus the value of her name. That translated to instant supers as well as a big advantage in the eventual NY race.

Money has decided much of the race so far.

[geek tragedy]

111. excuses excuses excuses. Sanders failed to broaden his appeal sufficiently

beyond young people who are unfamiliar with the reality of the political process and angry white leftists.

[Orsino]

123. Precisely.

The battle against Big Money paradoxically requires some large-ish money to be effective. Acquiring it in the relatively pure ways Sanders has is part of his appeal, and IMO the main reason he's gotten any traction at all--but it does amount to hamstring one's own campaign against Establishment foes without such scruples.

[rhett o rick]

32. Sanders isn't in the pocket of Big Money. But wealth is more important to some than

helping those struggling.

[Skwmom]

49. Clinton doesn't need to spend money, she has the corporate media providing unending free advertising

[griffi94]

6. I said that same thing in another thread

Cutting Edge progressives and
white males aren't the base.

This primary has really made that clear.

[uponit7771]

211. +1, two dem primaries in a row

[Svafa]

8. I'm a feminist.

Please stop spreading the asinine myth that Sanders supporters are all a bunch of heterosexual, young, white males. It's not true, and it is offensive to his many supporters who do not fit into your little assumption of what we look like.

[geek tragedy]

15. Sanders won three democraphics last night:

1) people under 30
2) White men
3) unmarried men

that is the Sanders base.

Sure those aren't the only people supporting him, but that's his base right there.

Clinton's base is women and people of color.

[CentralCoaster]

48. It's all they have. Sanders has proven that he, not she, is the champion of the oppressed.

She's got more clout and better pandering skills is about all.

Look at their records and he wins hands down.

Try to find a picture of Hillary handcuffed to a black woman during a protest...

[Svafa]

71. +1

[Jackie Wilson Said]

136. This picture is a reason to be extremely proud of Bernie, not a reason to attack Hillary.

Somehow you folks arent understanding this, time to scratch my head.






Is Bernie vastly better for everybody as to what his policies would be if enacted than any politician running now or for that matter in the past 40 years, YES.

But if he loses the nomination, then what? Give the fucking thing to Ted Cruz?

Shaking my head now.

[CentralCoaster]

146. He has at least as good a chance at beating Cruz, probably better.

Until such time as the primary is over, I will support my candidate.

We are underdogs, a bit of advocacy that includes criticism of Clinton is not out of order.

[KittyWampus]

224. He's proven himself to be an empty suit. I want progress, not posturing.

Women's Rights have taken a beating, in case you haven't noticed.

Making speeches to large rallies and empty rhetoric with no real solutions doesn't do a damned thing.

[Number23]

290. I have seldom seen a post so ignorant and offensive.

The idea that because Sanders was "chained to a black woman" 50 years ago, that somehow makes him better on minority issues is almost half as disgusting as your clearly stated contention that the reason minorities are supporting Clinton over Sanders in such massive numbers is because she "panders" better. Our issues and needs aren't important and we are clearly too stupid to know what's good for us, right?

You clearly have absolutely no idea how ignorant and offensive your post is.

[apcalc]

9. I wrote this earlier and believe it to be true

What I sometimes think
Is that those who have probably experienced some kind of discrimination firsthand , multiple times, be they women or people of color and certain other groups of males , vote for Hillary in droves.

Of course that isn't all of it, but a piece.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. A new survey demonstrated just this effect

Women who have me faced discrimination in the work force overwhelmingly vote for her, whereas those who have not favor him

[Svafa]

74. Tell that to the numerous Ferguson activists I know who are strong Sanders supporters.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. Everyone should vote for the candidate they prefer.

Are you saying that Bernie supporters are racist and/or sexist?

I voted for a Black man for president in 1968. I voted for a woman for president in 2012.

You?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. I'm not responsible for the incorrect extrapolations

You make from my post

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. Really?

Insinuations on DU, that Sanders would win if not for the base of the party, is OTT racist and sexist, and the fact that these posts and OP's don't get deleted continue to demonstrate that the internet space is mostly for straight white men and the votes considered most legitimate also come from that demographic.

Sounds like an "Insinuation" or a statement to me.

[1StrongBlackMan]

197. Her OP said ...

Insinuations on DU, that Sanders would win if not for the base of the party, is OTT racist and sexist ...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

239. please re-read that. no point have i said that all sanders voters are racist or sexist. or even

insinuated or implied it.

i said people who make statements to minimize groups that vote for her are racist and sexist.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

243. And, you named the groups, women, POC, and LGBT.

Where have they been disinfranchised by Sanders? I see your OP as implying that Sanders and his supporters are racist and sexist because they point out that Red States will not go to either Democratic candidate no matter what the Democratic is.



http://thehill.com/homenews/house/291097-bucking-the-trend-the-house-democrats-who-oppose-gay-marriage


DEMOCRATS WHO OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE:

Rep. John Barrow (D-Ga.)

Rep. Sanford Bishop (D-Ga.)

Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas)

Rep. Bill Enyart (D-Ill.)

Rep. Pete Gallego (D-Texas)

Rep. Gene Green (D-Texas)

Rep. Dan Lipinski (D-Ill.)

Rep. Jim Matheson (D-Utah)

Rep. Mike McIntyre (D-N.C.)

Rep. Collin Peterson (D-Minn.)

Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.)


DEMOCRATS WHO HAVEN’T TAKEN A DEFINITIVE POSITION ON GAY MARRIAGE:

Rep. Jim Costa (D-Calif.)

Rep. Filemon Vela (D-Texas)

Rep. Ron Kind (D-Wis.)

Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-La.)

Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.)

Rep. David Scott (D-Ga.)

Rep. Terry Sewell (D-Ala.)

Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.)

Rep. Pete Visclosky (D-Ind.)

There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche

[La Lioness Priyanka]

248. again, i didn't say anything about sanders disenfranchising those groups.

please just read it before randomly arguing with me.

[apcalc]

70. Of course not

I am remarking only about a group that I have noticed that over and over votes for Hillary.

There is no point made about anyone else, any other group of voters, explicit or implied.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

12. In that case, celebrate. You've vanquished us, and most of us will be on our way now.

Congratulations on the big win.

[geek tragedy]

20. no, most Sanders supporters will not become deserters out of a temper tantrum

Exit polls showed the vast majority of Sanders supporters would vote for Clinton in the general

[DisgustipatedinCA]

26. ok

[AgingAmerican]

27. That's the way to GOTV!

Condescension!

[Amaril]

88. +1,000 (n/t)

[Jackie Wilson Said]

141. That is in NY, where voters may be more sophisticated, more tuned in that in some other places.

I hope it turns out this way nationwide, but not yet counting on it.

[geek tragedy]

153. things have to simmer down. tempers are running at their highest point.

I certainly had some very, very harsh things to say about Sanders, that I will be willing to eat if he proves me wrong

[uponit7771]

212. +1

[AgingAmerican]

18. Support your claim or go home

[La Lioness Priyanka]

22. Which claim here is unsupported?

[AgingAmerican]

25. The claim you make in your OP

[La Lioness Priyanka]

35. which one? i make several claims. all of which are easily googled

and the claim about the DU insinuations exists in a large GD-P thread.

[AgingAmerican]

38. Support any of them

Which you apparently made up

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. that she is overwhelmingly supported by POC? really, you think I made that up?

that if it were left to the white male vote, we'd lose every single election?

[AgingAmerican]

61. No source?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

95. no, i have plenty of sources, i am just SHOCKED that someone does not know these facts

Here you go:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-is-winning-the-states-that-look-like-the-democratic-party/

http://nypost.com/2016/03/31/clinton-leads-sanders-in-ny-because-black-voters-love-her/

http://bluenationreview.com/gender-discrimination-a-key-factor-in-support-for-hillary/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-democratic-primary-exit-poll-analysis/story?id=38487802

[AgingAmerican]

100. Any neutral sources?

Those 'sources' are all in the tank for Clinton

[La Lioness Priyanka]

102. Lol. every single polling has found clinton to lead among blacks and women.

if you don't want to believe it, don't, but please don't pretend that i did not provide plenty of sources and that many more sources exist

[AgingAmerican]

103. Still waiting...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

140. i'm not wasting my time because you reject souces like 538, who just report on what the numbers show

i really don't have this kind of time.

or simple poll numbers from ABC etc.

[AgingAmerican]

142. You spent the time to post the OP

But it's a waste of time to defend it? Why are you still here then?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

144. OMG, you did not actually say what you just said, did you?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

149. i posted 4 links from 4 different sources, and apparatnly none of them were good enough

i guess if it does not come from usuncut it is not news

[Jackie Wilson Said]

152. It is remarkable and you do know what a sign is of someone who has an agenda, right!

That no matter WHAT you tell them, they will NEVER accept it.

Let this Bernie voter tell you I completely understand your position and comments and the last thing I would want to do is discount them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

156. i like bernie, if he won I would vote for him. however, i really am against

people who act as though the rest of us are low informed or only care about social issues, as though issues are not integral to our lives.

[Starry Messenger]

217. Sealioning:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sea-lioning

[Number23]

292. Any person that demands "links" to prove that Clinton is wiping the floor with Sanders among poc

and women isn't worth the time it would take to tell them to find the damn information out themselves.

Sanders has not won the black or Hispanic vote in one single, solitary primary or caucus. It's been discussed endlessly. LITERALLY endlessly. Most folks would be embarrassed to even pretend not to know something like that this late in the game.

[R B Garr]

298. +1 They ask for links to the most basic news cycles or common sense or

common knowledge statements. Someone the other day asked me for links when I said Clinton was ahead in delegates and the popular vote. Why would I waste my time with that. It just showed me that reality is up for negotiation on virtually everything.

[intheflow]

30. Who is this "we" you refer to?

I am a 50-year-old+ woman, a devout feminist and I support Sanders. Likewise, I know many POC and LGBTQ people who also support Sanders. Please stop making broad assumptions. I and my friends are the base, and we've been voting straight Democratic ticket for decades. Sanders is a Democrat who finally supports the left wing of the party. This kind of thinking is divisive when Clinton supporters need to dial it back a few notches at this point. No one likes a gloater - or someone who claims to speak for "the real people."

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. when i say majority of, i don't mean every single one.

not responsible for your deliberate misconstruing of what i did write.

here is what i said 'And if the large parts of the entire base..' does that sound to you like i said every POC and every feminist was voting for her?

[intheflow]

54. Your OP doesn't have the word "majority" in it.

So I'm not responsible for your being vague. And it's still a broad-brush statement. Because I don't personally know a single LGBTQ person or POC who supports Clinton. I do know a shit-load of straight, middle-aged, suburban white women who do, though. So if I apply your logic to my experience, that means Clinton's base is white heterosexual former soccer moms.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

85. it has the word large amount of or something to that effect. and never does it say every single one.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

148. You should know by now this is a mistake that can really cost you around here.

I used the word many once to describe a characteristic which is absolutely correct, and was censored for doing so.

Many doesn't even mean most, but that is how it goes around here.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

175. i think people are deliberately trying to not see what i am talking about

of course their vote matter regardless of their gender/race etc.

of course there are many black, POC, Gay, feminists who support Sanders

But, my point still stands that the base is going for her and that's why she is winning, and deriding the base is a stupid thing to do.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

193. Deriding the base has been going on for a while now, not by Bernie himself, but you know.

And maybe a little by Bernie, I am able to admit that now. Though I dont think he ever did it intentionally.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

194. i didn't feel the derision of the base from him, but def a tone deafness around it

when he called Planned Parenthood part of the establishment (although, he was mostly right about the human rights campaign), but overall my issue is really minimally with him and maximally with a lot of his anonymous supporters on DU and other sites such as this one.

[Else You Are Mad]

40. This is so utterly racist and sexist.

I am a non wealthy white male, so I don't count nor am I part of the base? So, it is okay to belittle me and consider me worthless?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

44. LOL. your understanding of sexism and racism is low. nt

[Codeine]

115. Rough being a white dood.

It's such a crushing weight to bear that I don't know how I manage most days.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

190. sucks for you man. the rest of us have it so much easier

[uponit7771]

213. Someone is in need of a whambalance !!

[XemaSab]

240. I'm a white woman

and I think the dems ignore non-wealthy white men at our peril.

[SidDithers]

43. Well said LLP...

Sid

[rhett o rick]

45. Congrats you played the sexist, the LGBT, and the racist cards all at the same time.

Sadly you support the person lest apt to help. Clinton's ambition is to amass as much money and power as she can. Her help in social justice will not be funded by the Wealthy that she is beholden to. The 99% will be asked to fund all social justice issues. That means there will not be much available. By the way did you see what Black Lives Activist Ashley Williams said about H. Clinton:

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”

According to BLM, H. Clinton isn't a friend of the AA community.

[Rebkeh]

46. No.

The poor and disenfrachised are the base of the party, and the Democratic Party is about to lose them.

It's on you guys, not us.

[geek tragedy]

51. the actual votes in this campaign indicate that you're wrong. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

50. If you're the "base of the party," why has the party drifted so far right?

You'd think the demographics you cite would be the last to support such a shift...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

55. in what way has the party drifted right? Obama is a center left president

My mayor is a very progressive left mayor. where is this drift happening that is out of touch with the opinions of the country?

states that are run by democrats, just do not experience the same level of voter id laws, bathroom laws, religious protection laws, and a whole heap of rightwing shit that goes down in red states.

[egalitegirl]

86. Causing wars in Libya, Egypt and Syria, Wall Street welfare

Surely you don't believe that Wall Street pays huge sums of money for speeches without a reason? Do you really believe that they pay money for speeches to hear gems or wisdom or for altruistic purposes?

Then there are the wars that the party has caused in Libya, Egypt and Syria. Bill Clinton was also a war president who led the country into war against Yugoslavia. This is why Hillary is the preferred candidate of Henry Kissinger the warmonger.

[forjusticethunders]

97. I think the party has drifted right economically

But this is because a lot of the economic left were content to make comfy salaries complaining about the situation instead of organizing a grassroots progressive push to replace the unions that were the backbone of economic leftism (especially after the Communists were purged in the McCarthy years), or at least to get those working class voters to remember their class interests instead of (and this is something that people don't get) getting suckered into white racist identity politics (yes identity politics is a right wing meme but I'm using it to underscore the hypocrisy of said meme; the term only gets thrown at marginalized groups when it was white people who started that shit)

If the left isn't going to make its voice heard politically, then any political party will listen to the voices that do.

[Lizzie Poppet]

110. I'm not sure I can properly answer that without posting a "novel."

So I think I'll decline to do so. I simply don't have the time.

I will, however, point out that I don't disagree that the GOP is even further right...no disputing that. But that only makes the Democratic Party "left" by the extremely right-skewed spectrum of today's American political reality.

[TheKentuckian]

253. The party has drifted hard right on the patriotism of torture. On the sanctity of the Bill of Rights

On labor.

On the safety net.

On health care as a right.

On campaign finance.

On the role of government.

On budget priorities.

On pick proposals.

On a free hand for extraction.

Have become near despicable on corporate accountability but of course the idiot TeaPubliKlans have manage to find some absurd lower than imaginable and do crazy stuff like go on TV and grovel and apologize to the piece of garbage bigwigs at BP. Clinton seems a strong bet to be a step back from a far too tolerant Obama.

The Hawks are unabashedly in charge. Stalemate there AT BEST, I think matters are worse and Clinton is a step back from Obama.

Drug war? Clinton is a half step or more back from Obama is my impression. Mostly be drug along by forces they can't stop without considerable electoral blow back on herb so I think there is a limit on brash opposition.
They are still at substantial risk of allowing TeaPubliKlans help off the mat by slow walking this issue and letting have the time to flip on it.
I also think Clinton has a judgment process that might lead to her backing off the hands off approach and quietly setting backfires to slow the progress.

Essentially if it isn't flat out nailed down to a demographic equality issue then the party has probably moved to the right and even on those it is more about eventually getting out of the way rather than leadership.

I'm glad we are wise and decent enough to believe that we are all humans and are entitled to equal protection under the law but that is the first brick premise for something a just civilization rather than a coven of soullessness not a basis for a political party.

This reasoning is dangerous because it accepts, supports, and is itself premised on the very regressive concept that our Civil Rights are up to a vote WHILE it abandons the whole idea of self governance by definition.
We are so invested as well as tied up in access to the vote that the actual purpose and power behind the act is all but a casualty of the shuffle just to be a person just as an example.

No apologies from me are to be expected for keeping an eye on the next level of tools of oppression being fitted for us and the bigger prisons being constructed around us while I also try to jump red lines, get tailed around stores, and dodge the goon squad on a fair day.

My struggle is on several fronts, I'm not sure allies with common objectives best describes people fighting me on some of them, maybe most while hiding behind the most bare bones essential human decency with little in the way of solutions for our common goals but strangely quite a load of crappy ones for the stuff we are supposed to be above or way on the back burner according to some.

Seems to me to a divide and conquer scam to support crooks getting over with my assistance as much as advancing my interests or more.

[CentralCoaster]

52. LOL. Pictures speak 1,000 words. What Hillary has never done and will never do, here:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

58. no pictuires just capture one moment in time. I like Sanders, but i like HRC more

as does the majority of democratic voters.

[workinclasszero]

53. You are the base and you must keep fighting the white male power structure

until they finally realize where the true power lies in 2016!

In the democratic party and society in general! Keep fighting!

You are the REAL REVOLUTION!!!

[pinebox]

56. Right. Everything and anything is now racist and sexist.

When in doubt.....yell that a thousand times and hope it sticks

[La Lioness Priyanka]

62. belittling the importance of racism and sexism, in the lives of those it affects

is in itself sexist and racist and a strategy out of the republican playbook

[apcalc]

106. Thank you for that

[Jackie Wilson Said]

155. If I a dollar every time a right winger said that to me, I would be rich.

Yes STRAIGHT out of that playbook.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

158. thank you.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

160. And all the while we have these discussions Ted Cruz or Paul Ryan or John Kasich

are receiving laws written by ALEC which will destroy civil rights in this country, destroy the environment, and start wars all over the planet.

These laws or actions, in the case of war, will be done by the puppet for their KOCH masters, believe it.

But we have people here actually threatening to let that happen.

Makes you wanna really cuss loudly.

[HooptieWagon]

65. POC, women, LBGT will be well represented by Clinton,....

...as long as they've donated as much as Wall Street and Foundation donors like the Saudis. Better pay up, or you'll be crushed.

[mmonk]

68. How is Bernie against you?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

83. he's not. he is just not the preferred candidate of the large majority of the groups i named

and this is not an anti-Bernie post, this is a post stating that Bernie supporters do not get to denigrate the actual base of the party.

[Demsrule86]

130. He has lost

Instead of taking the high road...attack and attack...he risks the general with this behavior.

[egalitegirl]

72. Hillary is candidate of War industry and Wall Street

Some facts.

- Hillary is the candidate of Wall Street and the War industry.

- One point we can all admit is that she is a candidate only because her husband was the President and not due to her own talents. Had Bill Clinton not been the President, she would never have been where she is. So to claim sexism against a woman who depended on her husband's success is invalid.

- The Clintons took the country to war multiple times.

- The Clintons and Bushes are close allies and work together. How do you expect Hillary to oppose Bush's policies?

- Hillary Clinton received hundreds of thousands of dollars for her speech to Wall Street insiders.

- Bernie Sanders is an honest man. Look at his net worth and compare it with the net worth of the Clintons.

[Lucinda]

300. Your post shows a huge lack of knowledge of Hillary's policies and experience. n/t

[mikehiggins]

81. That is the problem with democracy

Sometimes things don't work out the way we'd like them to.

There are many reasons to be unhappy with HRC's overall dominance in these primaries, and we've pointed them out dozens or even hundreds of times. The fact remains, though, that millions of our fellow Democrats supported her with their votes. NY wasn't even close.

An old friend of mine told me that he voted for HRC because he didn't like Sanders' stance on Israel. I didn't like that but so what? He's a political activist who has worked hard and diligently on issues that are important to him and he has the same right to vote as I do. Same with POC's, and LGBT's and old farts like me.

I donated and will vote for Sanders even if the MSM clowns are already ordering the new drapes for the Clinton White House v.2 That is my right (and duty) as an American, same as it ever was. Sure, the rules are not to our advantage but why should non-Democratic voters take part in a closed primary? We knew the deck was stacked against us when the first "not good enough" memes showed up on Day One. This primary rule is just what you have to expect when you mount a campaign against insurmountable odds.

This has nothing to do with voter suppression, etc., or even with "disappearing" registrations. Those things are common to New York elections since even before Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall.

My point is that a lot of people have spoken, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR REASONS, and that is that. I don't like how this is turning out but I have the same right to express my POV at the ballot box as anyone else.

I don't care to dismiss or disparage anyone because they don't agree with me. Hey, I've had people disagree with me since the fourth grade. That is their right. I've no interest in crap like "stockholm syndrome", or "hillbots", or anything like that. HRC is waging a traditional political campaign against an untraditional opponent.

If the majority of Democratic voters choose to stick with what they are comfortable with, that is their RIGHT. And that is what democratic with a small d is all about.

[uponit7771]

214. +1

[oldandhappy]

82. Thank you for your post

I have been fascinated with the map of the election returns from last evening. Is the base of the party largely located in the NYC area? I see that clinton won new york because of the enormous returns in the NYC area. The majority of the rest of the state did go for Sanders. So I assume you are telling me the POC, the LGBT, and the feminists are all in the NYC area. I am a woman and I am aging with belligerence! I am disenfranchised in some ways. I am exceedingly fortunate in other ways -- health care and fresh food. I feel caught between where you seem to feel you are and where I see myself. Yes, there are posts that make me crazy. I remind myself those folk are out there! I work my precinct. Most are old. I really do not know what to say. I want you to feel hope!

[JackInGreen]

84. You do reaize how close that gets to

"So we don't need you, good riddance, don't let the door hit you." Or at least can easily be emotionally interpreted as such.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


I don't think that's a good plan, Boss.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

188. no, it really doesn't. unless you desperately want to misconstrue what i wrote. nt

[islandmkl]

91. do you have any numbers to support your premise? does Hillary not get any white male votes?

your definition of 'base' seems to be more-suited to actually being the 'difference' in votes for the (D)s versus the (R)s...

some info: http://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/demographics_profile.html

i'm not a math major, nor a social scientist, but I'd like to know where your 'base' numbers come from out of these statistics:
white 79.96%, black 12.85%, Asian 4.43%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.97%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.18%, two or more races 1.61% (July 2007 estimate)

what percentage of the racial breakdown is LGBT, Feminist (without counting twice), etc.?

just asking...you seem to have a broad premise with shallow proof...

[Bluenorthwest]

92. I'm a gay Sanders supporter and I don't need you to bully me nor speak for me.

And Hillary, she speaks for herself:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

99. i dont bully you because I tell you the truth that majority support hers

i dont why people like you are confused about the words majority or large numbers or large amounts. they do not mean every single person.

[Bluenorthwest]

113. That's not what your OP says. As several people have pointed out to you, you are attempting to

co-opt us and to characterize us as not Democrats and not part of the Democratic base. It's bully behavior. This morning you took a swipe at me in one of the nasty hidden OP's of the morning so I could not respond as you ally had his post hidden. I nearly PM'd you to say don't bully me, but I decided to let it go. This OP is a tower of self important bullshit.

I do not need you to speak for me, and you should not attempt to speak for all LGBT nor to claim those supporting the other candidate are not Democrats or don't care about equality. Your candidate praised Nancy and Ron as AIDS heroes and you say nothing about that ignorant shit. She supported DOMA and did not favor equality until 2013.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

138. And if the large parts of the entire base is voting for one candidate...

is exactly what my op says.

[Bohemianwriter]

94. The exact same people...

Hillary and Bill has disenfranchised since the 90's.

Did you support Hillary when she was against same sex marriage? Did you support Bill Clinton's DOMA?

Were you with Hillary and her super predator remarks in the 90's kick starting the deeply racist policies that targeted black kids rther than solving the problems that prohibition and cutting programs that would benefit these black kids?
Does the feminists support Hillary's stand on abortion where she is against a woman's right to choose after 20 weeks?

Does the "base" support TPP, secret trade deals, fracking, voter suppression, rigged elections a skewed mass media, bombing brown kids in the Middle East, labeling Palestinian kids as terrorists or deporting minors who have fled the military juntas and the death squads propped up by USA since the 60's?

The truth is that Bernie Sanders embodies the antithesis to all these policies. he has pushed for gay rights since the 90s.
He has been arrested for his civil rights activism.
He has stood with the AA caucus since he stepped foot in Congress.

Hillary embodies none of these ideals, and only parrots them to play identity politics.

There is no point in belittling Bernie Sanders and elevating Hillary to a position or reverence she does not deserve.

There is no point in smearing or lyingh about the most progressive senator to protect a corrupt politican who listens more to a white CIS gender man with lot's of money than an LGBT person who have suffered due to the Clinton's policies since the 90's. Hillary only came on board in 2010. So there is no point in giving Hillary undeserved credit, and belittling Bernieæs stauchn support of the LGBT community. To me it seems that some people want to play identiy polkitics to throw the only consistent ally you have in the race.

And Hillary supporters have proven the last few days that their tent does not have room for REAL progressives, but lot's of room for criminal bankers and war profiteers.
The way people are getting swayed by cheap talking points cheer cheap shots and join the bandwagon who have lied and belittled Bernie Sanders since day one unless they have a media blackout against him.



If Bernie Sanders played anything like Hillary, he could use his Jewish roots as a clutch to play identity politics, painting Hillary as a thinly disguised anti-Semtie despite her support of Israel's repeated violations of the Geneva convention. He could have gone out and painted Hillary as a Goldwater girl with close ideological ties to her deeply racist father and how she has made money in selling black kids into slaves for the private prison plantations.
Why did he not do that?
Because unlike Hillary, he doesn't divide people into groups to conquer them.
When he speak, he says "we are all in this together".
When Hillary speaks, she say "I have fought, I am being smeared, and I will do everything. Just trust me, sit back and relax and see Super Hillary in action, working "together" with the opposition, imposing policies that directly contradicts every single progressive value I can think of. It's all about Hillary and not about the voter. It's only about the voter if she can pander to them.

I wonder why LGBT Hillary supporters fail to see that.

[apcalc]

98. Voting data of course

Only indicates trends. Many conclusions are drawn from trends. Pundits make a living at following and reporting on trends.

There are lots of good Sanders supporters who are POC, women, LGBTQ....
And straight white males who support Hillary ...etcetcetc

Of course.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

104. again, im having a very hard time understanding why people confuse the words large amount of

with every single person.

i'm going to guess they do it deliberately, because none of these words are actually hard to understand.

[Codeine]

116. Being deliberately obtuse is all they have now.

It's pretty much the bedrock of the campaign now.

[m-lekktor]

105. Contrary to the lies of you Hillary supporters, Bernie supporters consist of all those groups also.

We are not all straight white guys. I am gay and do NOT care to support somebody as right wing and corrupt and warmongerish as Hillary Clinton. If i DID I would just be a fucking republican.

I also have come to the realization that I could NEVER be part of a base of a party who could support the likes of a Hillary Clinton. You right wing DEMS can have her, I will move on!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

112. yes, a smaller number of all three groups. majority/large amounts of does not mean every single

person.

honestly, i have no tolerance for people who throw hissy fits because their primary candidate doesn't win. I supported HRC in 08 and gladly supported Obama because i'm not a giant cry baby.

[Bluenorthwest]

121. Ah, now it's name calling as a side car to the exploitative broad brush bullying.

You are on a real roll here.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

151. lol. you call me a bully and then get all offended for name calling.

[Jitter65]

114. Yes we are!!! nt

[Tarc]

119. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

125. K&R

[PeaceNikki]

127. Amen, sister!

[Cobalt Violet]

128. Ok good luck in the general without independents then.

[Demsrule86]

132. I expect we will get the left leaning ones.

The others were just Trump chump to begin with.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

139. this. nt

[Cobalt Violet]

164. I don't think so.

[LadyHawkAZ]

131. The outsider sometimes has the better view of the game

There are self-described feminists making excuses for public smears on rape victims. There are PoC spinning the crime bill. There are dedicated antiwar crusaders excusing the IWR vote and the destabilization of Libya. Poor people excusing welfare reform. Everyone making excuses for pandering to corporate interests and wealth.

If a candidate requires this much excusing for bad decisions then the candidate is a bad candidate for a leader. Even in the Faux News age where the effects of media bias are measurable, it's hard to understand why anyone would support a candidate with that kind of track record when better is available. It's cog dis on a mass scale and it's bewildering in a party that's supposed to be better informed and better educated.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

137. you realize that this reeks of condescencion, right? like we need better and more informed people

to tell us how to vote?

[CentralCoaster]

143. OFFS! Do you think your OP isn't a teensy bit dismissive, exclusive, condescending?

I mean, really?

It reeks of the same identity politics that the Clintons play so well, but does it have substance?

Do you really think that the following groups don't count as a part of the base?:

Women who aren't "POC, the LGBT, the feminists"?
Union workers who aren't "POC, the LGBT, the feminists"?
Students who aren't "POC, the LGBT, the feminists"?
Immigrants who aren't "POC, the LGBT, the feminists"?
Minimum wage workers who aren't "POC, the LGBT, the feminists"?

And people who just want something more than a lot of pandering from a 1%er who aren't "POC, the LGBT, the feminists"?

[LadyHawkAZ]

258. It leaves out the PoC, LGBT and feminists who don't support Clinton

Apparently they/we aren't Democrats (I only fit 2 categories). I've been repeatedly called a Bernie Bro and Bernie Ho, and told I wasn't a feminist because I wouldn't support Clinton. (To be fair, you can be told you're not really a feminist for just about anything)

*You a California Central Coaster?

[LadyHawkAZ]

145. Can you disagree with anything in that post other than "tone"?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

147. yes, but tone matters. always, has always will.

your basic point that someone from the outside has a better perspective on issues than the actual people affected by it, hold no water either.

[LadyHawkAZ]

185. Well ok

Last edited Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Let's take one element of what I just said; "It's ok to publicly smear rape victims as long as Clinton does it" loses the vote of a woman who's spent the last two years coping with PTSD. Tell me how I'm unaffected and how that doesn't make me an outsider.

[bettyellen]

171. the idea itself that "outsiders" know better is a condescending, patriarchal idea.

[LadyHawkAZ]

210. You're welcome to respond to what I just asked LLP

Or in fact any of the other patriarchal ideas I brought up in the first post.

[bettyellen]

168. THIS ^^^ is exactly what we were saying since people argued it was no big thing that SBS made no

mention of women's rights or issues the POC face for the first month of his campaign. When we tried to point out we were the base of reliable Dems, most here scoffed at the idea. It appears to piss them off.

[stonecutter357]

134. K&R!

[stevenleser]

157. Yep. nt

[cwydro]

162. K and r.

Great post.

That other thread left me shaking my head.

[Avalux]

163. Oh please. I'm sick of labels and dividing people into groups to be exploited.

That's exactly what Hillary has done, you're just too blind to see it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

165. hillary has caused systemic racism and sexism? really?

[Avalux]

166. No - she exploits it. Divide and conquer.

It actually perpetuates the problem to single out and pander to one group. A universal message that speaks to everyone is where it's at. We're all on this big blue marble together and it's time we transcend color, race, religion, sexual preference. Politicians who divide us to get votes keep us trapped in the past.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

167. how does she exploit it? and how are we so stupid that we who are most affected by this

so called exploitation don't see it?

[rhett o rick]

181. Black Lives Matter and Michelle Alexander have a different look at the truth.

“Far from resisting the emergence of the new caste system, Clinton escalated the drug war beyond what conservatives had imagined possible a decade earlier. As the Justice Policy Institute has observed, “the Clinton Administration’s ‘tough on crime’ policies resulted in the largest increases in federal and state prison inmates of any president in American history.”99 Clinton eventually moved beyond crime and capitulated to the conservative racial agenda on welfare. This move, like his “get tough” rhetoric and policies, was part of a grand strategy articulated by the “new Democrats” to appeal to the elusive white swing voters. In so doing, Clinton—more than any other president—created the current racial undercaste. He signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which “ended welfare as we know it,” replacing Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) with a block grant to states called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). TANF imposed a five-year lifetime limit on welfare assistance, as well as a permanent, lifetime ban on eligibility for welfare and food stamps for anyone convicted of a felony drug offense—including simple possession of marijuana.”
― Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow

“Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.

The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.”


“Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.”
Black Lives Activist Ashley Williams

[bettyellen]

169. Ah the post racial / post sexist society nonsense. A losing strategy, because it is rooted in

a fantasy.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

177. it's rooted in a sense of entitlement. my race doesn't affect my life, so clearly yours doesn't

either.

[uponit7771]

216. So people weren't labeled and divided before this post or HRC's primary run?! REALLY?!

[CentralCoaster]

172. Part of the base, we are. But we are not "the base".

You can speak for yourself.

It ends there.

Punkt.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

201. no, i can speak about numbers, not just about myself

which is what i did. i didn't purport to speak for all POC/women/lgbt. a large number means just that, not everyone, not unanimous, just a large number.

[Hiraeth]

174. are you saying you don't need the white, straight vote? are you saying I am not a feminist?

just what is it exactly that you are trying to say here.

Implications are so obtuse.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

180. neither. because if i meant any of that I would have typed it up.

extrapolating from my position, to something completely ridiculous that I did not say, is just that.

[Hiraeth]

187. here is what wiki has to say (I know WIKI)

Voter base
Self-identified Democrats (blue) versus self-identified Republicans (red) (January–June 2010 data).
Professionals

Professionals, those who have a college education, and those whose work revolves around the conceptualization of ideas have supported the Democratic Party by a slight majority since 2000. Between 1988 and 2000, professionals favored Democrats by a 12-percentage point margin. While the professional class was once a stronghold of the Republican Party, it has become increasingly split between the two parties, leaning in favor of the Democratic Party. The increasing support for Democratic candidates among professionals may be traced to the prevalence of social liberal values among this group.[167]

“ Professionals, who are, roughly speaking, college-educated producers of services and ideas, used to be the most staunchly Republican of all occupational groups ... now chiefly working for large corporations and bureaucracies rather than on their own, and heavily influenced by the environmental, civil-rights, and feminist movements—began to vote Democratic. In the four elections from 1988 to 2000, they backed Democrats by an average of 52 percent to 40 percent. ”

A study on the political attitudes of medical students, for example, found that "U.S. medical students are considerably more likely to be liberal than conservative and are more likely to be liberal than are other young U.S. adults. Future U.S. physicians may be more receptive to liberal messages than current ones, and their political orientation may profoundly affect their health system attitudes."[168] Similar results are found for professors, who are more strongly inclined towards liberalism and the Democratic Party than other occupational groups.[51] The Democratic Party also has strong support among scientists, with 55% identifying as Democrats, 32% as independents, and 6% as Republicans and 52% identifying as liberal, 35% as moderate, and 9% as conservative.[169]

Academia

See also: Higher education in the United States

Academics, intellectuals, and the highly educated overall constitute an important part of the Democratic voter base. Academia in particular tends to be progressive. In a 2005 survey, nearly 72% of full-time faculty members identified as liberal, while 15% identified as conservative. The social sciences and humanities were the most liberal disciplines while business was the most conservative. Male professors at more advanced stages of their careers as well as those at elite institutions tend to be the most liberal.[51] Another survey by UCLA conducted in 2001/02, found 47.6% of scholars identifying as liberal, 34.3% as moderate, and 18% as conservative.[170] Percentages of professors who identified as liberal ranged from 49% in business to over 80% in political science and the humanities.[51] Social scientists, such as Brett O'Bannon of DePauw University, have claimed that the "liberal" opinions of professors seem to have little, if any, effect on the political orientation of students.[171][172] As of July 2008 the Students for Academic Freedom arm of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, a conservative organization, posted a list of 440 student complaints, most of which pertain to perceived liberal bias of college professors.

Those with graduate education, have become increasingly Democratic beginning in the 1992,[173] 1996,[173] 2000,[44] 2004,[45] and 2008[174] elections. Intellectualism, the tendency to constantly reexamine issues, or in the words of Edwards Shields, the "penetration beyond the screen of immediate concrete experience," has also been named as an explanation why academia is strongly democratic and liberal.[175][176]

In the past, a self-identified Republican was more likely to have a 4-year college degree; however, according to some recent surveys, similar percentages of Republicans and Democrats are likely to have 4-year college degrees, and Democrats are more likely to hold post-graduate degrees.[177]

An analysis of 2008 through 2012 survey data from the General Social Survey, the National Election Studies, and the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press led to a slightly different assessment of the overall educational status of self-identified Democrats and Republicans:


On average, self-identified Republicans have more years of education (4 to 8 months each, depending on the survey) and are probably more likely to hold, at the least, a 4-year college degree. (One major survey indicates that they are more likely, while the results of another survey are statistically insignificant.) It also appears that Republicans continue to out-test Democrats in surveys that assess political knowledge and/or current events. With respect to post-graduate studies, the educational advantage is shifting towards self-identified Democrats. They are now more likely to hold post-graduate college degrees. (One major survey indicates that they are more likely, while the results of another survey are statistically insignificant.)[178]

Youth

Studies have shown that younger voters tend to vote mostly for Democratic candidates in recent years. Despite supporting Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, the young have voted in favor of the Democratic presidential candidate in every election since Bill Clinton in 1992, and are more likely to identify as liberals than the general population.[179] In the 2004 presidential election, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry received 54% of the vote from voters of the age group 18–29, while Republican George W. Bush received 45% of the vote from the same age group. In the 2006 midterm elections, the Democrats received 60% of the vote from the same age group.[45][46] Polls suggest that younger voters tend to be more liberal than the general population and have more liberal views than the public on same-sex marriage and universal healthcare, helping Barack Obama carry 66% of their votes in 2008. The Young Democrats of America are an affiliated organization of members of the party younger than 36 that advocates for youth issues and works for youth voter turnout.

Women





Jerry Brown at a campaign rally in Sacramento two days before the election
Although the "gender gap" has varied over many years, women of all ages are more likely than men to identify as Democrats. Recent polls have indicated that 41% of women identify as Democrats while only 25% of women identify as Republicans and 26% as independents, while 32% of men identify as Democrats, 28% as Republicans and 34% as independents. Among ethnic minorities, women also are more likely than males to identify as Democrats. Also, American women that identified as single, living with a domestic partner, divorced, separated, or widowed are more likely than men in these categories to vote Democratic, in contrast to married Americans, which split about equally between Democrat and Republican. Again, women in these categories are significantly more likely than males in these categories to vote Democratic.[180] The National Federation of Democratic Women is an affiliated organization meant to advocate for women's issues. National women's organizations that often support Democratic candidates are Emily's List and the National Organization for Women.

Relation to marital status and parenthood

Americans that identify as single, living with a domestic partner, divorced, separated, or widowed are more likely to vote Democratic, in contrast to married Americans, which split about equally between Democrat and Republican.[180]

GSS surveys of more than 11,000 Democrats and Republicans conducted between 1996 and 2006 came to the result that the differences in fertility rates are not statistically significant between these parties, with the average Democrat having 1.94 children and the average Republican having 1.91 children.[181] However, there is a significant difference in fertility rates between the two related groups liberals and conservatives, with liberals reproducing at a much lower rate than conservatives.[181]

LGBT Americans





"Gay Rights are Human Rights", a quote by Democratic Secretary of State and U.S. Senator from New York Hillary Clinton.
LGBT votes for Democratic presidential candidates


Year[182][183]

Candidate

Vote


1996 Bill Clinton 71%
2000 Al Gore 70%
2004 John Kerry 77%
2008 Barack Obama 70%
2012 Barack Obama 76%


Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans typically vote Democratic in national elections within the 70–77% range, according to national media exit polling. In heavily gay precincts in large cities across the nation, the average was higher, ranging from 85–94%. This trend has continued since 1996, when Bill Clinton won 71% of the LGBT vote compared to Bob Dole's 16% and 13% for others. In 2000, Al Gore won 70% to George W. Bush's 25% with 5% for others, in 2004 John Kerry won 77% to George W. Bush's 23%, in 2008 Barack Obama won 70% to John McCain's 27% with 3% to others and in 2012 Barack Obama won 76% to Mitt Romney's 22% with 2% to others. Patrick Egan, a professor of politics at New York University specializing in LGBT voting patterns, calls this a "remarkable continuity". Saying "about three-fourths vote Democratic and one-fourth Republican from year to year."[182] Notable LGBT Democrats include current Senator Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin and current Representatives Jared Polis of Colorado and David Cicilline of Rhode Island. The late activist and San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk was a Democrat as is former Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts. The National Stonewall Democrats is an LGBT advocacy group associated with the Democratic Party. The LGBT Equality Caucus is a congressional caucus of 97 Democrats and 3 Republicans that work and advocate for LGBT rights within the House of Representatives.[184]

Labor


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Since the 1930s, a critical component of the Democratic Party coalition has been organized labor. Labor unions supply a great deal of the money, grass roots political organization, and voting base of support for the party. Democrats are far more likely to be represented by unions, although union membership has declined, in general, during the last few decades. This trend is depicted in the following graph from the book, Democrats and Republicans—Rhetoric and Reality.[185] It is based on surveys conducted by the National Election Studies (NES).

The historic decline in union membership over the past half century has been accompanied by a growing disparity between public sector and private sector union membership percentages. The three most significant labor groupings in the Democratic coalition today are the AFL-CIO and Change to Win labor federations, as well as the National Education Association, a large, unaffiliated teachers' union. Both the AFL-CIO and Change to Win have identified their top legislative priority for 2007 as passage of the Employee Free Choice Act. Other important issues for labor unions include supporting industrial policy (including protectionism) that sustains unionized manufacturing jobs, raising the minimum wage and promoting broad social programs such as Social Security and universal health care.

Working class

Further information: Social class in the United States

While the American working class has lost much of its political strength with the decline of labor unions,[186] it remains a stronghold of the Democratic Party and continues as an essential part of the Democratic base. Today, roughly a third of the American public is estimated to be working class with around 52% being either members of the working or lower classes.[187][188] Yet, as those with lower socioeconomic status are less likely to vote, the working and lower classes are underrepresented in the electorate. The working class is largely distinguished by highly routinized and closely supervised work. It consists mainly of clerical and blue-collar workers.[187] Even though most in the working class are able to afford an adequate standard of living, high economic insecurity and possible personal benefit from an extended social safety net, make the majority of working class person left-of-center on economic issues. Most working class Democrats differ from most liberals, however, in their more socially conservative views. Working class Democrats tend to be more religious and likely to belong to an ethnic minority. Socially conservative and disadvantaged Democrats are among the least educated and lowest earning ideological demographics. In 2005, only 15% had a college degree, compared to 27% at the national average and 49% of liberals, respectively. Together socially conservative and the financially disadvantaged comprised roughly 54% of the Democratic base.[50] The continued importance of the working class votes manifests itself in recent CNN exit polls, which shows that the majority of those with low incomes and little education vote for the Democratic Party.[44][45][46] However, there has been a noticeable decline in support for the Democratic Party among white working class voters.[189][190][191] In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama only carried 36% of white working class voters to Mitt Romney carrying 61%, and in the 2014 midterms, Democratic candidates for the U.S. House of Representatives only carried 34% of the white working class vote compared to 64% for the Republican candidates.[192][193][194]

Secular Americans
The Democratic Party receives support from secular organizations such as the Secular Coalition for America,[195] and many agnostic and atheist Americans. Exit polls from the 2008 election showed that voters with a religious affiliation of "none" accounted for the 12% of the electorate and overwhelmingly voted for Obama by a 75–25% margin.[196] In his inaugural address, Obama acknowledged atheists by saying that the United States is not just "Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus but non-believers as well."[197] In the 2012 election cycle, Obama has moderate to high rankings with the Secular Coalition for America, whereas the majority of the Republican candidates have ratings in the low-to-failing range.[198]

Atheists and secular people, although a diverse group themselves, may include individuals who are fiscally conservative. In this case, fiscally conservative atheists and secularists will come together due to their opposition to the religiously-bound social policies of the Christian right.[199]

There is still a social stigma relating to atheism in the nation and polls show that a majority of the American people would be more comfortable voting for a Muslim or gay candidate than an atheist.[200]

African Americans





Bill Clinton at a Democratic "Get out the vote" rally in Los Angeles
From the end of the Civil War, African Americans primarily favored the Republican Party due to its overwhelming political and more tangible efforts in achieving abolition, particularly through President Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation.[201] The south had long been a Democratic stronghold, favoring a state's right to legal slavery. In addition, the ranks of the fledgling Ku Klux Klan were composed almost entirely of white Democrats angry over poor treatment by northerners and bent on reversing the policies of Reconstruction.[202] However, African Americans began drifting to the Democratic Party when Franklin Roosevelt was elected president.[201] Support for the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s by Democratic presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson helped give the Democrats even larger support among the African-American community, which consistently vote between 85-95% Democratic.[201]

Prominent modern-day African-American Democratic politicians include Jim Clyburn, Elijah Cummings, Maxine Waters, John Lewis, Barbara Lee, Charles Rangel, John Conyers, Senator Cory Booker, and the current President of the United States, Barack Obama, who managed to net over 95% of the African-American vote in the 2008 election.[203] Despite being unaffiliated, the NAACP often participates in organizing and voter turnout drives and advocates for progressive causes, especially those that affect people of color.[204] Within the House of Representatives, the Congressional Black Caucus, consisting of 44 black Democrats, serves to represent the interests of African Americans and advocate on issues that affect them.

Hispanic and Latino Americans

The Hispanic population, particularly the large Mexican American population in the Southwest and the large Puerto Rican and Dominican populations in the Northeast, have been strong supporters of the Democratic Party. In the 1996 presidential election, Democratic President Bill Clinton received 72% of the Hispanic vote.[205] In following years, however, the Republican Party gained increasing support from the Hispanic community, especially among Hispanic Protestants and Pentecostals. With his much more liberal views on immigration, President Bush was the first Republican president to gain 40% of the Hispanic vote (he did so in the 2004 presidential election). Yet the Republican Party's support among Hispanics eroded in the 2006 midterm elections, dropping from 44% to 30%, with the Democrats gaining in the Hispanic vote from 55% in 2004 to 69% in 2006.[45][46] Democrats increased their share of the Hispanic vote in the 2008 presidential election, with Barack Obama receiving 67%. According to exit polls by Edison Research, Obama increased his support again in 2012, winning 71% of Hispanic voters.[206]

Cuban Americans still tend to vote Republican, though there has been a noticeable change starting with the 2008 elections. During the 2008 elections Barack Obama received 47% of the Cuban American vote in Florida.[207] According to Bendixen's exit polls, 84% of Miami-Dade Cuban American voters 65 or older backed McCain, while 55% of those 29 or younger backed Obama,[208] showing that the younger Cuban-American generation has become more liberal.

Throughout the decade of the 2000s, 60% or more of Hispanic Roman Catholics who were registered to vote identified as either Democratic or leaning towards the Party.[209]

Unaffiliated Hispanic advocacy groups that often support progressive candidates and causes include the National Council of La Raza and the League of United Latin American Citizens. In the House of Representatives, the Democratic caucus of Hispanic Americans is the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.

Native Americans





Carl Venne, Crow Indian Tribal Chairman, shows support for Democratic Presidential nominee Barack Obama in 2008.
The Democratic Party also has strong support among the Native American population, particularly in Arizona, New Mexico, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Washington, Alaska, Idaho, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Oklahoma[210] and North Carolina. Though now a small percentage of the population (virtually non-existent in some regions), most Native American precincts vote Democratic in margins exceeded only by African-Americans.[211]

Modern-day Democratic Native American politicians include former Congressman Brad Carson of Oklahoma and Lieutenant Governor Byron Mallott of Alaska, as well as Principal Chief Bill John Baker of the Cherokee Nation and Governor Bill Anoatubby of the Chickasaw Nation.

Jewish Americans

See also: National Jewish Democratic Council





Democratic President Barack Obama, at a Conference with Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.
Jewish American communities tend to be a stronghold for the Democratic Party, with more than 70% of Jewish voters having cast their ballots for the Democrats in the 2004 and 2006 elections.[45][46] Al Gore received 79% of the Jewish votes in 2000, and Barack Obama won about 77% of the Jewish vote in 2008.[212] Support tends to vary among specific sectarian groups. For example, only 13% of Orthodox Jews supported Barack Obama in 2008 while around 60% of Conservative Jews and Reform Jews did so.[213] A 2010 poll by the Pew Research Center found that 60% of self-described Jews identified as Democratic or leaning towards the party, compared to 33% with those feelings towards Republicans.[209]

Jews as an important Democratic constituency are especially politically active and influential in large cities such as New York City, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago; and play critical roles in large cities within presidential swing states, such as Philadelphia, Miami, and Las Vegas. Many prominent national Democrats in recent decades have been Jewish, including Chuck Schumer, Carl Levin, Abraham Ribicoff, Ben Cardin, Henry Waxman, Martin Frost, Joseph Lieberman, Bernie Sanders, Dianne Feinstein, Barney Frank, Barbara Boxer, Paul Wellstone, Rahm Emanuel, Russ Feingold, Herb Kohl, and Howard Metzenbaum.[213]

Arab and Muslim Americans

Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have leaned Democratic since the Iraq War.[214] Zogby found in June 2007 that 39% of Arab Americans identify as Democrats, 26% as Republicans, and 28% as independents.[214]

Arab Americans, generally socially conservative but with more diverse economic views, historically voted Republican until recent years, having supported George W. Bush over Al Gore in 2000.[215]

A 2012 poll found that 68% of Muslim Americans surveyed support Barack Obama.[216]

Asian Americans

The Democratic Party also has considerable support in the small but growing Asian American population. The Asian American population had been a stronghold of the Republican Party until the United States presidential election of 1992 in which George H. W. Bush won 55% of the Asian American vote, compared to Bill Clinton winning 31%, and Ross Perot winning 15% of the Asian vote. Originally, the vast majority of Asian Americans consisted of strongly anti-communist, pro-democracy Vietnamese refugees, Chinese Americans, Taiwanese Americans, Korean Americans, and socially conservative Filipinos who fled Ferdinand Marcos in the 1960s through the 1980s, and the general Republican Party's socially conservative, fervently anti-communist position strongly resonated with this original demographic. The Democratic party made gains among the Asian American population starting with 1996 and in 2006, won 62% of the Asian American vote. Exit polls after the 2008 presidential election indicated that Democratic candidate, Barack Obama won 62% of the Asian American vote nationwide.[217] In the 2012 Presidential election, 73% of the Asian American electorate voted for Obama's re-election.[218]

Barack Obama has the support of 85% of Indian Americans, 68% of Chinese Americans, and 57% of Filipino Americans.[219] The Asian American community's increasing number of young voters has also helped to erode traditionally reliably Republican voting blocs such as Vietnamese and Filipino Americans, leading to an increase in support for Democrats. Prominent Asian-American Democrats include Senators Daniel Inouye, Daniel Akaka and Mazie Hirono, former Governor and Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke, and Representatives Mike Honda, Judy Chu, Doris Matsui, and Norman Mineta.

[northernsouthern]

183. You may want to get back in touch with reality.

The ones disenfranchised in multiple ways, not just by economics.

Insinuations on DU, that Sanders would win if not for the base of the party, is OTT racist and sexist, and the fact that these posts and OP's don't get deleted continue to demonstrate that the internet space is mostly for straight white men and the votes considered most legitimate also come from that demographic.

We are the base, and we make this party. And if the large parts of the entire base is voting for one candidate, then she is the legitimate representative of the party. No amount of belittling her and the base of the party changes that.

Sp your post IS RACIST, but not only that is highly offensive. Bernie is supported more by the LGBT community, she f@cking gave Nancy props for aids, did not consider gay people equal to marry, and many of her "base" supported in the south are the ones voting on the anti-lgbt laws. You are filled with hate, you need to let it out, perhaps you can go and yell at some more women for voting the conscious. It is also telling that you use them as your "base" and not the top or part or integral, but the bottom. It fits Hillary walks on minorities to reach her goals all the time.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

186. i literally do not understand what you wrote, hence i cannot respond to it.

[northernsouthern]

191. Oh it is based in reality...

...unlike your racist post, that is why you are confused. The one where you painted all white people as one group and where you lumped all minorities as one monolithic voting block. The one where you showed the only used for minorities in your mind is to create a base to lift your choice over the good of the people. I think we are all the foundation of the party, and automatically grouping one demographic together based on your needs is kind of sick and racist...but you knew that, jsut ask Hillary's Obama from 2008, you remember the picture they put out...



Oh, wait that was because she thought he would be proud of his Kenyan roots, good for her. I think she would tout Eunice Laurie as a good example of a minority in a position of power if she was around in those days (after all she was also a woman that was able to break barriers).

[La Lioness Priyanka]

195. my post is not racist, because it addresses race. that is really a right wing way of looking

at race.

I posted how these demographic groups vote, and how important their vote is for us in the GE. therefore minimizing her popularity with these groups is stupid.

[northernsouthern]

199. Your post is Racist, offensive, and ignorant of facts.

The ones disenfranchised in multiple ways, not just by economics.

Insinuations on DU, that Sanders would win if not for the base of the party, is OTT racist and sexist, and the fact that these posts and OP's don't get deleted continue to demonstrate that the internet space is mostly for straight white men and the votes considered most legitimate also come from that demographic.

We are the base, and we make this party. And if the large parts of the entire base is voting for one candidate, then she is the legitimate representative of the party. No amount of belittling her and the base of the party changes that.

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
racial prejudice or discrimination

By saying straight white men you rare being a bigot, a sexist, and a racist in one...good for. And with the "we", you group all of a demographic together. It seems someone with a rainbow flag would make such an ignorant mistake after all of Hillary's record has made her one of the weakest in the field on the subject. How can you even be ok with the Nancy Reagan quote, or do you just not care about aids victims? Are you fine that she was against gay marriage, are you ok with the fact my state is one of the best with gay rights and she was destroyed here?
http://www.bustle.com/articles/26983-whats-the-best-state-in-america-for-gay-rights-the-12-best-places-for-lgbt-rights

or that she only lost one of the worst 5 lgbt states..
http://www.bustle.com/articles/26983-whats-the-best-state-in-america-for-gay-rights-the-12-best-places-for-lgbt-rights



You are using people's fights for your own needs, please stop.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

200. lol. the fact that you don't understand racism is not merely mentioning race is really not my fault

nor is it my responsibility to educate you.

the rest of your post is too garbled for me to understand.

[northernsouthern]

218. Ok.

Please define racism as "you" define it, I posted the Merriam Web, but maybe you are more knowledgeable than the dictionary?

Oh the rest is too hard for you to understand does pretty much explain your difficulty, let me spell it out. When you say white straight male as a group, you are defining a group by these traits. You are in one swoop being sexist, racist, and a bigot (for straight). I have ALWAYS been for gay marriage. Why wouldn't I? It is natural, it exist in other species, why are people any more special. My best friend and a woman I loved walked off a cliff face when her bigoted religious parents disowned her, she came to me a few days before she killed herself, but i was too busy to talk and it has haunted me every day of my life, even typing this brings tears to my eyes. You can take your hate speech and read it to yourself in the mirror to make yourself feel self-righteous all you want, but it is a disgusting post.

[1StrongBlackMan]

223. Webster is not the academic, working definition of racism ...

and hasn't been for nearly 50 years.

Just say ...

[northernsouthern]

228. Actually that is the very point of it.

It is a dictionary, that is how languages work, people agree on a meaning, and that word then attains it. Dictionaries then compile said meanings in to a tome. With out these agreed meanings languages do not work. But if you have a better definition please do tell.


But seriously it is the definition but if you have another please add, don't leave me hanging.

[1StrongBlackMan]

242. Okay. But people interested in the topic look to the social scientists ...

that research and write peer-reviewed works for the definition.

[CentralCoaster]

205. Yup. Also dismissive and parochial.

And you're final statement sums it up nicely.


"You are using people's fights for your own needs, please stop. "

[uponit7771]

215. Fact Not In Dispute: Hillary's voters are more diverse than Sanders by far

[northernsouthern]

222. You are making a false equivalence

You can say in these closed elections she has received more of certain groups that Bernie, but not Asian and others, just black and possibly Hispanic. But to take this to the bank and run the racist card with it is a disservice to those of us who have actually lived through and fought against real bigotry. You sell survivors short for personal gain.

[ismnotwasm]

192. K&R

[iwannaknow]

196. Do you speak for all POC, lgbt, and feminists?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

198. did i say I did?

don't extrapolate from what i said, to what i totally did not say, and then get offended by it.

[uponit7771]

209. Amen and Amen!!!

[anigbrowl]

219. Thanks

I'm queer, I'm married to a person of color, and we both favor Hillary, notwithstanding past disagreements with her - we were both Obama supporters in '08 and '12, and I had a rather low opinion of Hillary's candidacy in 2008. But she earned my respect and indeed admiration during her stint as Secretary of State notwithstanding the fact that I disagree with her on some things.

I don't think we necessarily represent the base or that we're somehow more democratic than this or that other demographic, but like LLP I felt really offended at that post yesterday saying that Bernie would be winning if it wasn't for the sexual and ethnic minorities, like our needs and political views are somehow of lesser importance because some of our issues are more narrowly focused than others.

[silvershadow]

220. Good luck without labor support. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

225. no one derides the vote of labor, the way they deride the Black vote and the female vote

so your random comment is an issue of false equivalency.

[silvershadow]

226. Did you miss the Bill Clinton years,, when labor was thrown fully under the bus? nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

231. let me ask you a simple question, have you seen anywhere on DU posts

deriding the actual vote of labor? insinuating that labor has stockholm syndrome for voting for Bernie (an OP accusing black voters of having stockhold syndrome), or posts stating that where it nor the labor vote HRC would win (like the post from last night that stated without the black and female vote Bernie would be winning, as though votes from those groups dont count), or my favorite which is accusing labor of being so stupid as to not see pandering (like posting HRC in blackface, or stating that her love for hot sauce is pandering to AA)

[silvershadow]

233. The Clinton agenda destroyed labor and the economy in this country. Ross Perot was right.

The Clintons are patently offensive. It doesn't matter who "derides' labor. The damage has been done. I cannot, under any circumstances, including triangulation, vote for her.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

238. you're really not addressing either my OP or my questions to you. my point is no one questions

your intelligence or ability to think for yourself when you vote for Sanders. however, black and female and gay clinton voters, are frequently derided for their support of her.

i really don't care who you vote in the long run. if you are part of bernie or bust, you are irrelevant for the most part to me.

[PyaarRevolution]

283. As a member of the GLBT community.

I can honestly say I don't think she sees me as a person but as part of a group to win and move on, to pander to. I don't want to be friends(not directed at you but a celebrity), eat popcorn with you and watch Netflix. I want you to charge ahead guns blazing and PASS ENDA with our Transbrothers and sisters(piss off Barney Frank), address the bullying culture(not all) of those who are dressed in Blue towards everyone(but minorities esp.), get tuition free college passed, Medicare for all, help create sustainable/realistic housing for the homeless. Those are just a few but one of the things, most of all, is getting Citizens United thrown out and TPP as well as to support me as much as you can esp. when there's not a photo op in it for you.
I have more but those are just a few.

[1StrongBlackMan]

229. Interesting ... doesn't HRC have more Union endorsements? AND ...

aren't exit polling revealing that HRC is winning (or is it, has strong support) among Labor households?

[silvershadow]

230. Triangulation in action. It is hollow. Don't take my word for it, though. Check back

in November, when the gnashing of teeth should be on full display. I cannot vote for her under any circumstances. She is a neocon, a Third Wayer, and an interloper into FDR's party. Not my cup of tea. In fact, her tea is bitter and foul.

[1StrongBlackMan]

244. Is that code for something ...

You said HRC doesn't have union support ... I have provided information that disproved your assertion ... jump into a forest of words, unrelated to the topic.

[silvershadow]

246. No you haven't. You can't. You haven't interviewed the rank and file union members. All of them.nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

249. And, you have?

It is a fact that HRC has more Union endorsements than Sanders (I know ... I know ... the Union leadership didn't talk with their membership because you read it on the internet and your (Sanders supporting Union buddy told you she didn't get a call).

It is a fact that (in Michigan) household with Union members in them, split the union vote down the middle.

In the reality-based community that used to be DU, both of those factoids are strong indicators of Union support.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

251. she was also the senator from a very blue state. yes, lets take the party back by losing an election

every time that happens the party clearly runs to the left

[La Lioness Priyanka]

255. oh man. you've really gone off the deep end. nt

[silvershadow]

256. Is she still under investigation? Does she have a real possibility of indictment by Justice?

How on earth can you support this? That's what I call going off the deep end.

[1StrongBlackMan]

262. How could anyone know WHERE trump falls on the political spectrum? ...

I have yet to see a single substantive policy piece from him.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

263. His tax policy is far to the right of anyone else

[1StrongBlackMan]

264. Has he presented enough to score out the plan?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

267. yeah. i listen to the weeds podcast and they scored it as more rightwing than anyone else's

[BainsBane]

265. I guess it's not about the 1%, corporatism

income inequality, or issues at all.

He seeks government for white males above the rest, to return to the time when the majority were kept in line and denied equal rights. If that's what you want, he's your guy, but don't for a second pretend it has anything to do with leftism. Slashing taxes on the wealthy, building the military, a more muscular foreign policy--all the issues you claimed to oppose, but then of course it turns out you don't at all.

[1StrongBlackMan]

257. What does any of that have to do with ...

Union support?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

261. i think that you should not waste your time talking to someone

who believes Trump is a better alternative to Clinton. like really. why waste your time?

[Bobbie Jo]

232. She has labor support.

What are you talking about?

[silvershadow]

234. She has endorsements. She doesn't have rank and file support, and everyone knows it. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

236. She sure does around here

Where are you getting your information? Link? Something??

Everybody knows it? What?

[silvershadow]

237. From my sources "around here". You must be hanging with a different labor group. nt

[workinclasszero]

254. Shes got 10 million plus votes from the voting public

The only ones that count!

Thats a couple million more than either Bernie or Trump!

[CentralCoaster]

259. Not from the rank and file, she doesn't.

Endorsements from union bosses that go against what the majority of the membership feel is really not "labor support"

[Bobbie Jo]

260. You don't speak for the rank and file

Throwing out definitive statements like that is pretty meaningless.

Do you have ANYTHING to back that up? No, tweets and Facebook pages don't count.

They're obviously supporting her at the ballot box, which is the true test at this point.

[Starry Messenger]

221. k&r

[seabeyond]

266. Sing it sistah...

Do I get to call you sistah, yet?

[Blue_In_AK]

268. I guess I'm not really any of that,

particularly as how "feminist" is defined by some on DU.

[loyalsister]

270. "Feminists" supporting a woman who demonizes abortion and the women who have them

oxymoronic.

[obamanut2012]

271. k & R -- Great post, Priyanka

[senz]

274. Bernie Sanders has spent his entire life advocating for POC and gender justice.

He didn't call Black youth "superpredators," he argued against the Clinton Crime Bill and Clinton Welfare Reform, he was never high-handed with BLM activists, and he never supported DOMA, because that's just the way he is.

He doesn't change his core views to impress certain people during a primary election. He's real.

[HereSince1628]

275. Certainly 'you' are part of the base.

I think it's bigger than that. Or at least once was rather bigger than that.

[floriduck]

276. In prosecution terms, that's called willfull blindness.

Are women, POC, LGBT more deserving than the poor, the ill who can't afford any healthcare and hard working single parents, some of which are male who work multiple jobs to support their children?

Let's be clear, those you mention are legitimately disadvantaged. But please don't put a fence around your group. The base of the Democratic Party goes beyond your definition. If you disagree with me, I have no desire to debate this with you as it will prove pointless.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

277. lol.

Sad that you don't even recognize how problematic your post is.

[floriduck]

279. Back atcha, Lioness

[La Lioness Priyanka]

281. dismissing systemic racism and sexism about so called progressives

is kinda pathetic.

[floriduck]

282. ZZZZZZZZZZZ. Good night!

[Haveadream]

294. Intersectionality means that PoC, LGBT and women live with all the life challenges you describe

in addition to coping with daily systemic oppression and discrimination. Their minority status does not confer on them any immunity from having really bad things happen. On the contrary, they are more likely to suffer from more of them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

301. this is oddly something that people who talk about how bad poor white people have it

don't seem to ever understand. yeah poor people have it bad. but poor black people have it disproportionately bad. single fathers have it bad, but not as bad as single mothers, especially single mothers of color.

its like you can only be black. not black and poor. not black and female. etc.

[Number23]

288. Beyond thrilled to K&R

Thanks for this.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

289. Thanks. Some of the responses on these thread

Really demonstrate why sanders is losing these key demographics.

[Number23]

293. As usual, the folks who need to know won't hear. And the folks that are listening already know.

[eridani]

295. I guess the base loves being jailed and executed then

And they love DOMA. Clinton is a gutless coward on social issues, and is even willing to compromise on reproductive rights.

Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

[Warren DeMontague]

296. We built this city on rock and roll, too.

Good luck getting that earworm out of your head.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

297. Lol

Thanks a bunch for that

[R B Garr]

299. K&R! The Sanders campaign is noticeably exclusionary.

Great thread.

[Matt_in_STL]

302. I completely agree, POC and LGBT are in fact the base of the Democratic party.

Thus, I plan on staying home and letting them win the election without this straight white male because I am tired of hearing about how, because I don't support Hillary, I don't understand the cause.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

303. LOL. i never said any of the things that you are accusing me of saying

staying home because the primary didnt go your way, is an act of entitlement.

[Matt_in_STL]

304. It has been said plenty here over the past months.

And it isn't entitlement - you all have this under control. I'll let you take care of it because I have faith in you to get the entire base out to support the cause and bring home the victory.