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[silvershadow]

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[LexVegas]

1. I'm scared shitless. nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I really doubt that. n/t

[dchill]

3. No you're not.

But you should be.

[Buzz Clik]

4. Any day now. That indictment will be coming!

[silvershadow]

11. The fact that Justice even opened an investigation should be enough. Apparently not. nt

[Buzz Clik]

18. Don't let their declaration that no indictment is coming.

That indictment will be coming any day now.

[silvershadow]

19. How embarrassing for our party. nt

[Buzz Clik]

20. I thought you were leaving the party?

[silvershadow]

22. No only if the party leaves me. Then it will be no choice. But not until. It is a LONG way to

convention yet.

[Actor]

56. So women and minorities be damned, eh. Do you understand what a republican president

would ACTUALLY mean?

Seriously, do you KNOW?

Yes, Hillary is one of the last people I would want as our next president, Bernie would be the first, and in between I could provide a long list.

Having said that, and this is important, if you dont understand the difference between her and the alternative in important areas like women's rights, minority rights, voting rights, access to healthcare and education, then I do not KNOW what to say.

Jesus H. Christ.

[silvershadow]

59. If the other party promises to bring my job back, and our party nominates one of

the chief architects of my job leaving, are you suggesting that I should consider other's feelings over my own job? You are dreaming.

[morningfog]

45. The justice department declared no indictment is coming?

[silvershadow]

67. No, they actually didn't. Isn't this just embarrassing? One's inclination would be

during an election year, the Democratic administration wouldn't entertain it unless it was quite serious. Wouldn't one?

[Marr]

60. Do you have a link for that claim? /nt

[tex-wyo-dem]

21. I think it's more likely than not that...

The FBI will recommend indictment of one or more of Hillary's top aides and/or Hillary herself sometime in May. What the DoJ and Obama decide to do is the intriguing question. Either way, just the recommendation will be a death blow to the Clinton campaign, which will be a massive problem for the Democratic Party.

[Buzz Clik]

24. Yep. It is REAL likely.

[Gomez163]

33. Its more likely that unicorns will appear and rule the world. WHEEEEEEEEEE

[northernsouthern]

5. That is why I made this...

[workinclasszero]

17. Well that earned you a full ignore

Cya

[northernsouthern]

23. Oh no!!!!

One less person posting racists posts! How will I ever cope.

[guillaumeb]

52. Your funny little video makes me want to look for your posts.

Thus cancelling the "ignore".

[northernsouthern]

55. Don't take my ignores away...

That's all I have.

[guillaumeb]

61. Would it offend you if I ignored your comment?

Personally, I think the "ignore" function is silly.

[northernsouthern]

62. Lol.

Whenever some one ignores me I can only think of this image.



But I am not sure if I am that person in the image or the person that is is directed to.

[In_The_Wind]

25. good grief

[northernsouthern]

35. Making it was very cathardic

Here is the thing if the HRC crew would stop the hate, and focus on issues I could get back to my Rick Scott Video I was making or ones I did last time...

Please let me start hating on the RNC again.

[Zira]

71. So you keep Rec'ing Call it skinner threads.

Interesting.

If you look into Hillary's foreign policy history, that missile which is reminiscent of dr. Strangelove, is apt:

[floriduck]

6. It may damage the near future of the party. But it may also have a longer term benefit.

Those who support Sanders will likely become future leaders of the party. Then Sanders foes will have to make some decisions; either move to the left with the party or become similar to the southern Democrats that left in the 60s. The future cannot be predicted. But whether Hillary is indicted or gets us into more foreign conflicts, she's got her work cut out for her if she gets the nomination.

[tularetom]

7. You have committed the dreaded "you people" faux pas

But IMO your concern about the destruction of the party is a bit late. That happened a few years back when Nancy Pelosi announced that impeachment (for the Bush cabal war criminals) was "off the table", and Obama confirmed it a few years later.

[JoePhilly]

8. "Scarlet Letter" ??????

Now that is some hilarious nonsense.

I think your OP was missing this ...



.... something to stand behind during the sermon and casting out of the sinners.

[PeaceNikki]

9. lolok

?w=300&h=213

[dcbuckeye]

10. It will never happen

Obama's Justice Dept will never indict HRC. He wants to protect his legacy

[tex-wyo-dem]

37. If the FBI recommends indictment to the DoJ...

(Which I think is a greater than 50% possibility), and Justice and Obama refuse to indict, think Saturday Night Massacre and Obama's legacy takes a huge blow. Or not obstruct and watch Hillary's campaign go up in smoke.

Obama will be in a very tough situation either way.

[MissDeeds]

43. Exactly

He needs to stay out of it.

[emulatorloo]

53. Fox News Fantasyland

[Zynx]

54. Oh. You think that it will happen? Based on......?

[griffi94]

58. Greater than 50% possibility?

Based on what exactly.

[Land of Enchantment]

63. Up in Smoke!!!!! wait for it.....

[tymorial]

12. This is never going to happen

[MisterP]

13. 11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats, and repeatedly sabotaged primaries

so DINOs and ex-Republicans could win--or even lose, as long as the populist got shot down

[Land of Enchantment]

51. Thread Winner. Working on an OP about this very thing! nt

[workinclasszero]

14. Yawn...republicans have been saying this crap for decades.

I can't believe a thinking person could fall for this BS anymore.

[silvershadow]

30. I have been living "Third Way" politics for decades. I don't need lecture about what is real

and what isn't. Everything I state is from actual personal experience.

[Phlem]

39. ....

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[peacebird]

15. The jury voted to Leave It Alone!

On Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:28 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

If you Hillary people win, and then she is indicted by the Justice Department, it will
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511794594

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Fuck this shit.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:35 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OMG be quiet, please. So tired of this garbage. CALL IT, SKINNER!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: T post's conditional argument is OK. But the calling out of Hillary supporters as having shamed the poster under the conditional is not.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Stonepounder]

34. Can I alert on the alerter's comments? n/t

[winter is coming]

44. If you were on the jury, yes. I doubt it would have much effect. n/t

[Zira]

73. Good, there's nothing wrong with the post.

[beaglelover]

16. Why do you Berniebros make everything about yourselves???

[northernsouthern]

26. Why do you HRC posters

create sexist terms like Berniebros?

[mindwalker_i]

46. Because they will do absolutely anything, excuse anything

to avoid talking about how much their candidate sucks. How uninspiring she is, how bad she would be for the country. And it's much easier to call her opposition sexists than it is to deflect from the issues.

But us BernieBros to to shut up and/or leave.

[northernsouthern]

48. It does seem so

I feel like some of the HRC crew gets up in the morning and shouts hate-speech in the mirror to warm themselves up for posting here and other places on line.

[Hokie]

27. Another one for my ignore list

Good doG I will be glad when this is over.

[Gothmog]

28. Waiting for a Clinton indictment? Don’t hold your breath

I am amused by the Sanders supporters and republicans praying for an indictment http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/waiting-clinton-indictment-dont-hold-your-breath

The fact remains, however, that such a scenario is pretty far-fetched. Politico’s Josh Gerstein took a closer look today at the legal circumstances, and the reasons Clinton’s foes shouldn’t hold their breaths.

The examination, which included cases spanning the past two decades, found some with parallels to Clinton’s use of a private server for her emails, but – in nearly all instances that were prosecuted – aggravating circumstances that don’t appear to be present in Clinton’s case.

The relatively few cases that drew prosecution almost always involved a deliberate intent to violate classification rules as well as some add-on element: An FBI agent who took home highly sensitive agency records while having an affair with a Chinese agent; a Boeing engineer who brought home 2000 classified documents and whose travel to Israel raised suspicions; a National Security Agency official who removed boxes of classified documents and also lied on a job application form.

Politico’s examination seems to have only been able to find one person who sincerely believes Clinton will face prosecution: former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who was a prosecutor and a Justice Department official before his partisan antics made him something of a clownish joke.

Among more objective observers, the idea of Clinton facing an indictment seems, at best, implausible. This is very much in line with a recent American Prospect examination, which reached the same conclusion.

TPM’s Josh Marshall published a related piece in February, after speaking to a variety of law professors and former federal prosecutors about the Clinton story. “To a person,” Josh wrote, they agreed the idea of a Clinton indictment is “very far-fetched.”

[Stallion]

29. What do You Mean by "You People"?

nm

[Stardust]

68. Just curious...what does "nm" in the body of your message mean?

[bullimiami]

31. You sound like Trump.

[mythology]

32. But Clinton supporters are supposed to be fine with

Just giving Sanders a nomination he is badly losing on the chance that Clinton might be indicted.

Go ahead. Stomp your feet. Threaten to hold your breath. Complain and whine. You want to talk about looking foolish while you threaten others with a temper tantrum.

[hamsterjill]

36. I'll just have to live without your forgiveness.

What else do you want to blame me for?

[Bill USA]

38. Sanders Supporters Must Stop Repeating GOP Lies About Hillary Clinton - a Sanders supporter's appeal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511490285

this is why I've had said it's hard to tell a Bernie fans posts from those of the Rabid Right.

[think]

41. Hillary took millions in speaking fees from the corrupt TBTF banks. Is that a lie?

[Bill USA]

49. BS campaign accuses her of 'corruption'.. let's see some evidence of Quid Pro Quo...GOT ANY???

... I'm not a fan of McCarthyism...

[think]

57. She took the money. She knew she was going to run for office. Had she been in office she'd

been expelled. Those banks knew exactly what they were doing.

Soft corruption is legal. No quid pro quo is necessary to understand what happened.

“It’s the corruption, stupid”: Hillary’s too compromised to see what Donald Trump understands

By Bill Curry - TUESDAY, FEB 23, 2016 05:00 AM CST

The key 2016 issue is outrage over a rigged system by special interests. There's a reason Hillary doesn't get it

In 1992, James Carville, Bill Clinton’s senior campaign strategist, scribbled a terse memo containing three instructions. Two are long forgotten. The third may live forever. “It’s the economy, stupid” became a meme because it nailed the issue that drove that election. One overarching issue drives this election, but neither Hillary Clinton’s campaign nor the Democratic Party got the memo. Any swing voter could tell them what it says: It’s the corruption, stupid.


~Snip~

Poorly written and atrociously reasoned, Citizens United rests on three simple, absurd precepts: Money is speech; corporations are people; and corruption is OK so long as it is sanctioned. OK, the third one isn’t so simple, but it sure is absurd. It pertains to what Justice Kennedy, the opinion’s author, calls “soft” corruption, by which he means the entire system: big donors, lobbyists, lush retreats, revolving doors, exorbitant speaking fees. The whole shebang.

Kennedy says that unlike “hard” corruption (bribery, mainly), “soft” corruption harms and offends no one, so Congress can’t regulate it. The issue hadn’t come up at trial, so there was nothing about it in pleadings. There’s tons of data about how evil it is and how much we hate it, but Kennedy ignored it. He offered no proof to support his “finding.” He just said it was so and now it’s the law.

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/its_the_corruption_stupid_hillarys_too_compromised_to_see_what_donald_trump_understands/

[Bill USA]

64. So you got nothin'. what legislation or official actions can you identify where she gave

preferential treatment to a contributor to her campaign?

Here's a tip:[font size="3"] If there was any case of Quid pro Quo the Republicans would have found it and would have pursued appropriate or inappropriate legal action. The Repugnants have impanelled 7 Benghazi Witch Trials without finding anything untoward that she did. The kept impanelling these Witch Trials just to damage Clinton politically. So, you can be sure, if she had ACTUALLY done something illegal, or anything that could be judged as malfeasance while she was a Senator or Sec. of State..YOU CAN BE SURE THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND IT AND WOULD HAVE GONE AFTER FOR IT.[/font]


Hillary Clinton did not represent Citizens United in Citizens United v FEC. She did not make the decision in that case. That was the Roberts Court that did that.

[think]

65. Soft corruption exists. You're refusing to acknowledge it. Hillary plays the game well that doesn't

make it right.

And this is just embarrassing:

Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

~Snip~

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

But even that wouldn’t make accepting the $1.5 million excusable.

If you’re Bill Clinton and your wife has recently intervened, in her capacity as a cabinet secretary, to help a giant corporation avert a significant threat to its bottom-line, the very least you could do, if only to avoid the appearance of impropriety, is to avoid negotiating seven-figure paydays with that same corporation. This is particularly jaw-dropping because ultra-wealthy Bill Clinton has virtually unlimited opportunities to give lucrative speeches to any number of audiences not directly implicated by decisions that his wife made as secretary of state.

But maximizing the Clinton family’s wealth and power requires him to speak before the very wealthiest paymasters. And that’s exactly what the ex-president has done.

As McClatchy noted last month in a more broadly focused article that also mentions UBS, “Ten of the world’s biggest financial institutions––including UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs––have hired Bill Clinton numerous times since 2004 to speak for fees totaling more than $6.4 million. Hillary Clinton also has accepted speaking fees from at least one bank. And along with an 11th bank, the French giant BNP Paribas, the financial goliaths also donated as much as $24.9 million to the Clinton Foundation––the family’s global charity set up to tackle causes from the AIDS epidemic in Africa to climate change.”...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

[Avalux]

47. Did it ever occur to you that they're not lies?

There is no disputing the facts about her emails, and the subsequent investigation. It is entirely possible that she will be indicted.
Hillary has taken a shitload of money from Wall Street and refuses to let us know what she said. She also used the State Department to funnel money to the Clinton Foundation.

You can blame the Rabid Right all you want, but they didn't force Hillary to make bad decisions.

[silvershadow]

70. What a righteous reply that was! +1 nt

[beastie boy]

40. If you sneeze, and then you scare your cat, and then it jumps on your window shade, and then

the window shade falls on your flower pot, and then the flower pot falls out your window, and then it hits me in the head.... I will never forgive you!

...There, I posted it on DU, and now everyone knows how mad I am at you for something that is about to happen any minute now...

[MattP]

42. So Bernie in clownface on the internet was some kind of

crime but Hillary from dr strangelove riding a atomic bomb is in good taste is actually posted from DU posters

[Adrahil]

50. Another "vote for Bernie or else" post. NT

[wyldwolf]

66. "I will never forgive you. You will have a Scarlet Letter for life..."

[PyaarRevolution]

69. Please be pragmatists(A read for the Hillary supporters)

Regardless of the how small you think the chance that Hillary is indicted may be, wouldn't the pragmatic thing be to have all bases covered? Some of you criticize us for being unrealistic in our aspirations to see Bernie's ideas realized; however, you don't even acknowledge that an indictment could happen and be smart, having someone in the wings just in case. "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst". I don't want to see us get caught with our pants down and if it happens with Bernie out of the picture do you want them to only have a few months to try building up momentum with someone else?! What do you think that will do to down-ballot Dems.?!
As far as the allegations themselves, most of the ones that the Clintons have been charged with for years haven't stuck but I think these are different. Why do I say this?(I pray(Please God) you're actually reading this critically) I say this because in the first 3 months of having that easily hack-able private server(feel free to correct me and I know govt. isn't better) she didn't encrypt her emails. Yes, she didn't ENCRYPT State Dept. emails. It's not the private server that will get her(rightfully not as everyone correctly says that Colin Powell used a private email server) but that lack of encryption and the fact she sent some to Sidney Blumenthal and another individual cracked the password(note I didn't say hacked as this man just did a ton of guesswork to find Blumenthal's password and it was something like his hometown or hometown's street).
edit: For the praying comment nothing patronizing was meant, I just truly hope you actually read the whole thing on some of the intricacies of the email sitch.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

72. everyday i worry about your opinion about me. every single fucking day.

why that. every single minute of every fucking day.