2016 Postmortem
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just to keep Bernie from getting the nomination?
If so, why?
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Eko
(7,281 posts)you got juried for saying trump was more left than clinton.
desmiller
(747 posts)the truth.
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Anything that starts with the Travel office and moves on to Vince Foster is obviously a right-wing hit job, and Anon doesn't engage in that.
Zira
(1,054 posts)Look at my hides. My transparency page is visible.
His is visible too. Read what posts got hidden.
I regret my donation.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)
k8conant
(3,030 posts)the nomination could go to Biden or someone else.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)(Unless Sanders can persuade people to the contrary. Unlikely.)
The bigger question is what happens if something comes down on her *after* the convention, but before the election. It's unlikely, but if it's bad enough, the party could ask her to step aside rather than toss the election. And I don't know what the process would be for nominating a replacement. Her VP selection perhaps?
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)Or other catastrophe. That's the nature of life.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)When was the last Secretary of State indicted for anything? The last Cabinet officer? Forget that. It's not happening. That's a Republican wet dream.
pandr32
(11,581 posts)Not going to ever happen... Move on!
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)If you can't spell his name, you'll get no answers from me. I take this shit seriously. Go look him up. That's my suggestion.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Not even in the line of succession.
The last cabinet official to get indicted was Poindexter over Iran-Contra, and that was reversed on appeal.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Before that John Mitchel, Nixon AG was not just indicted, but went to jail. Petraeus, head of CIA was indicted.
peace13
(11,076 posts)If she wins they will pick her to death just like they did Bill, maybe even try to impeach her for deeds done earlier. Congress can go another four years without working. The Republicans have no worries, unless Sanders lands on their doorstep. That being said, people say she will make a great President.
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)When was the last Secretary of State under investigation by the FBI?
You do have to do something that is at least arguably possibly wrong first. It's not like secretaries of state generally do illegal things (as far as we know), so saying that you haven't seen them get indicted doesn't mean anything, unless you feel that they generally do things that justify possible indictment.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)it should be ignored because it was before and she's too big to fail?
senz
(11,945 posts)You know, I bet you believe in that sort of thing. I'll bet you have a deep fondness for the rich and powerful.
dchill
(38,474 posts)for Party Bigwigs.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Maybe supporters of a certain candidate are losing their juice, Inshallah.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)
FSogol
(45,481 posts)Why?
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Forcefully positioned himself to greet the Pope briefly..Then FUND-RAISED on the issue.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)HOME»NEWS»WORLD NEWS»THE POPE
Pope John Paul II was 'no saint but a man who covered up sin'
Victims of clerical sexual abuse campaign against canonisation of Pope John Paul II
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/10787986/Pope-John-Paul-II-was-no-saint-but-a-man-who-covered-up-sin.html
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)no progressive would be proud to be associated with.
Unless you think that Pope John Paul 2 was a better pope than what Francis is today.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)was a discourtesy. Catholics were turned OFF by the whole fiasco
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)....by the successful smear campaign started by your camp..
Absolutely nothing of your BS was true.
But just like pro-lifers, you are repeating the same lies as if they were legit for anyone outside their own little bubble,
Sorry. But your smear campaigns will backfire in November.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)The Pope spoke ya know...
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)..and all the faux speculations right there?
Do you need your own sleazy tactics handed to you?
While Bernie goes on the stump with striking workers, Hillary wines and dines with the people who put people in position to make it necessary to strike. Yet she claims to be with workers and union members.
So why don't you prove all your lies about Bernie's policies instead of creating fake controversies in your desperate attempts to destroy Bernie as if he was on her hit list?
Why don't you defend Hillary going behind her boss back when she supported the military coup in Honduras while she now clings on to him like a tapeworm is feeding off a persons intestines?
Why don't you explain why she keeps the speeches for Wall Street a secret if they are no big deal?
why don't you explain how money in politics corrupts everybody else but her?
Why don't you explain the faux outrage on behalf of the Sandy Hook massacre, practically putting Bernie on the side of arms dealers when she goes to a fundraiser arranged by a former NRA lobbyist?
Why don't you explain her "concern" for all the kids that has been killed by the wars she has pushed for the last 15 years?
Why don't you explain her "progressive" credentials when she opposed a 15 dollar minimum wage until recently, and oppose universal healthcare because of "free stuff" and "too expensive" but always have money for the arms industry, bailing out "too big to fail" banks, the drug war and endless wars in the Middle East?
Why don't you explain her "progressive" credentials when she practically is sick and tired of leftists who ask her to pledge not to take money from dirty energy in the future, trying to link it to Bernie?
Why don't you explain how the meaning of "Super-predators" has changed since 1996 and still she claims to give a damn about African Americans in real life?
Why don't you explain how she wants to send kids back to countries ravaged by the U.S. lead drug wars, the U.S. funded death squads and make her a "true Christian" (she pandered to a black church in S.C. and forgot all about them when a BLM "interrupted" her little speech about what SHE thought what was important. Black lives was apparently not important enough for her to actually listen to the girl. She only wanted to talk about herself and how she is practically the female version of Martin Luther King.
Why don't you explain the purpose for her little nest egg in Delaware?
Why don't you explain how she is "pro-Israel" and Bernie anti-Israel just because he said that the Palestinians was humans and had rights too, and that not even Israel is above international law?
These are ISSUES!
And many of those issues have one common demoninator: how money muddies the water, corrupts politicians and destroys democracies
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)She worked with the subsequent government to make the best possible solution.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Supportive of a criminal act instead of holding them accuntable.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Can I say that it looks like Bill is thinking about asking the Pope for a three some? All kidding aside...good picture!
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Hill's spouse. Power holder.
Bernie was invited to speak at a Vatican conference on moral economies.
Zira
(1,054 posts)The stupidity of alerting on this. It's a fair question.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)far from it and I remember super Tuesday. NY election should be invalidated and no delegates to anyone. It was an election rife with fraud. Garbage.
Zira
(1,054 posts)Minutes 28. There were whole blocks and whole building where everyone was purged from the voter roles.
There were over 900, 000 complaints about voting in the primary in NY, yesterday.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It was a maintenance purge.
MisterP
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senz
(11,945 posts)Turned it into a punch line. 
Thanks!
Gothmog
(145,152 posts)I am amused by the Sanders supporters and republicans praying for an indictment http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/waiting-clinton-indictment-dont-hold-your-breath
The examination, which included cases spanning the past two decades, found some with parallels to Clinton’s use of a private server for her emails, but – in nearly all instances that were prosecuted – aggravating circumstances that don’t appear to be present in Clinton’s case.
The relatively few cases that drew prosecution almost always involved a deliberate intent to violate classification rules as well as some add-on element: An FBI agent who took home highly sensitive agency records while having an affair with a Chinese agent; a Boeing engineer who brought home 2000 classified documents and whose travel to Israel raised suspicions; a National Security Agency official who removed boxes of classified documents and also lied on a job application form.
Politico’s examination seems to have only been able to find one person who sincerely believes Clinton will face prosecution: former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R), who was a prosecutor and a Justice Department official before his partisan antics made him something of a clownish joke.
Among more objective observers, the idea of Clinton facing an indictment seems, at best, implausible. This is very much in line with a recent American Prospect examination, which reached the same conclusion.
TPM’s Josh Marshall published a related piece in February, after speaking to a variety of law professors and former federal prosecutors about the Clinton story. “To a person,” Josh wrote, they agreed the idea of a Clinton indictment is “very far-fetched.”
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:27 PM - Edit history (2)
Denial of her being investigated is stupid. And now you are on ignore.
ETA: the only problem with ignore is that any replies linked to the ignored one, also get removed from view. Hell, I'm not even listed in the whole thread when viewed. Oh well, in a few days all the ignored will be no problem again. So, if you are not ignored but still want to say something to me, email me.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Can and do clear the air. Even in a partisan witch hunt such as this one. Indictment is not a given. Tangential "scandals" such as use of a personal e-mail server (a universal practice by high-ranking gov't officials) are nothing more than a consequence of coming up empty-handed during the protracted Benghazi hearings.
Fact is, the Obama administration's record on diplomatic corps safety during its watch is far and away the best in recent memory. Bush-Cheney oversaw 11 attacks with 60 fatalities, with ZERO outrage from the GOP members of Congress.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)government business. NO ONE IN HISTORY!
There are others who may have sent a few emails to and from their own personal email account, but NO ONE used a private server for all their government business.
This is an unencrypted server. And they have come up with MANY emails that were at the top level (SAP) if the highest "top secret" classification. That has intelligence professionals freaked out.
You know nothing.
"use of a personal e-mail server (a universal practice by high-ranking gov't officials)"
This is absolutely and completely false.
Other high level officials have had personal email accounts, which they used for personal communication and did not mix official government email (I believe Powell had an AOL account for personal).
Hillary is the first and only high level official known to have a personal email server (a physical piece of hardware that houses the email client and stores all email traffic) located literally in her house. If this had been used for her personal account for personal communication only, there would not be an issue, but she ran ALL of her personal, Clinton Foundation AND official government SoS communication with lots of confidential, secret and top secret information through the same server under the same email account. This server had no government security, much less oversight, whatsoever. A clear violation of multiple security laws.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)LOL. The Sec. State is a higher authority than the FBI. Her word on the classification would have been the gold standard. I don't know what you guys think will come from the indictment fairy, but it isn't going to stop Hail To the Chief being her new jam. Bye Felicia.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Some of the emails on her own, private, UNENCRYPTED server, were such a high level of secrecy that the Inspector General had to get his security classification raised so he could look at them.
You don't know what you are saying. Maybe you should find out something, do a little research, get educated on the subject before you come in here and make such fact free declarations.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)And the indictment fairy isn't coming. Get ready for Madame President.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I know you don't want to see them but there they are. Just like the FOX viewers, they like to block out things they don't agree with, just like you are doing.
That was only ONE of the stupid things she did. There are TONS more. I don't know what will come of it, but people who know what they are talking about, top people in the intelligence field, are really freaked out by what she did.
Sorry. Even Reagan was right on some things. . . his great quote, "Facts are stubborn things."
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)including the insanity from the craziest on the right.
Nicely done. Records are made to be broken.
Zira
(1,054 posts)
FarPoint
(12,351 posts)I support it.
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)like MineralMan.
Not like me -- I'm a complete asshole. But emulatorloo is one of the good ones. 
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)about Democrats. All the 'Hillary will be indicted" spin is coming from Fox News and the usual GOP suspects.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)as usual. Anyone else who works in the intelligence field would have lost their clearance and probably their job, and indicted already.
Honestly, I don't know why so many people come in here fact free and state their opinions as if they meant something.
It seems to me, even the intelligent people on DU are ignoring one of the basic principles they know, namely, that the talking heads and talking points on MSM are made up.
You need to look up the thought of people who work in the intelligence field and see what they say about it instead of parroting these BS talking points.
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)Ill-advised yes, but not illegal.
All the "Hillary will be indicted" spin is coming from the liars at Fox News and their cohorts. I personally would not beleive that crowd if their tongues came notarized.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Her server was not government, was not secure and she did have the very top level (SAP) of the top secret classification on her server.
It does not have to be marked, when you have security clearance you know the difference, and the markings can be on it or not. And if she had classified material SHE is required to mark it.
They have emails from her when she wanted to get a secure fax and someone on her staff couldn't send it to her, she sent them instructions to remove the classification markings and send it through the unsecure fax.
They also found very top secret emails that were passed around to many of her inner circle and they did not have security clearance.
On and on and on.
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)They always leave out relevant information. The goal is to smear Democrats, they don't care anything about truth.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)You can hide your head in the sand but that doesn't change any fact. It just makes you consciously uninformed.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)And lots of posts on DU have given excruciating detail on the specific laws that have been broken.
As much as many Hillary supporters would like to believe this is just a RW attack, it's not and is truly a huge risk to the Democratic Party.
emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)They are for the most partisan hacks who have a long history of lying about Democrats.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Nope - nothing to see here.
Secretary Hillary Clinton's statements regarding her emails:
1. "I fully complied with every rule I was governed by."
2. "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material."
3. "I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two," she said. "Looking back, it would have been better if I'd simply used a second email account and carried a second phone, but at the time, this didn't seem like an issue."
Over 2000 emails with classified information...in her basement, and on the Cloud.
You go, Girl!
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)But a bigger thing, I just figured out how to have her release the transcripts, put them on the server, mark them as Top Secret" and then she will call for them to be released.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)wing sites that insist Hillary will be indicted any day now. You'll have to avoid all mainstream media (which you will call lamestream media) because they don't tell the "truth" about Hillary's impending indictment. It's going to be a hard road for you over the next few months.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)He can't win the voters, so he needs to sit around hoping that something happens to Clinton.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hillary's delegates would not go to Bernie, they are not pledged to Sanders. Sitting around hoping is a desire to steal the nomination. Now surely Sanders would not want an oligarchy, he would not win the GE either.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)immediately.
All the right wing lies against Hillary used by hate radio and vile republican sites like free republic suddenly all right here attacking Hillary by "progressives" for Bernie. SMH
I wonder how many people were like me and turned against Sanders because of that?
randome
(34,845 posts)The polls are rigged!
The votes are invalid!
We will sway the super-delegates!
Clinton might be indicted!
Clinton is using money inappropriately!
Clinton laughs funny! She's obviously a monster!
No one trusts her!
We're doomed!
And after all of this, the very issues they claim are paramount are practically nowhere to be seen.
And after all of this, more people are voting for Clinton than for Sanders but that's somehow irrelevant.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)These constant assumptions that Hillary is a criminal are way OTT. What's next? Vince Foster and Ron Brown's plane?
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Sheesh these people. 
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I guess I must have missed that one.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)A set of questions that suggests an answer in order to promote an unforseen conclusion. This tactic goes back to the Inquisition.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The perfect place for her views, should she not win the election...
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)november3rd
(1,113 posts)Very droll. Very droll.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)Symbolic: 
