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Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:10 PM Apr 2016

Why are the Superdelegates going for Hillary over Bernie??

1. They think Hillary is more likely to win in the general election and

2. Hillary is fundraising and helping in the down ticket races of, you guessed it, superdelegates.

This notion that the vote count in the individual states is going to dictate who the superdelegates vote for is as real as unicorns. So please lets not hear of it again. Party politics is dirty and unseemly. People took out for their self interest. In other words, GROW UP.

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Why are the Superdelegates going for Hillary over Bernie?? (Original Post) Gomez163 Apr 2016 OP
Your second answer is how coattails are made. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #1
I'll give you a hint Tarc Apr 2016 #9
Hera About The Lawsuit Re Victory Fund? The Whole Money Laundering Operation Of The "Victory Fund" CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #37
How many GOP talking points can you squeeze into a single post? Tarc Apr 2016 #40
the elected superdelegates need to do the will of people that elected them Csainvestor Apr 2016 #2
These voters demand this senator superdelegate change his vote. Csainvestor Apr 2016 #6
You do realize that Hillary comes out on top anyways, if super-ds are allocated via state win? Tarc Apr 2016 #12
They want to cut into the lead on the cheap. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #17
He'll vote for Clinton when she wins on the very first floor vote. Codeine Apr 2016 #24
Hillary is using the HVF to launder money JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #3
It was offered to Bernie and he signed off on it but never implemented it. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #13
The concept of a Victory fund is distinct from how Hillary is using it. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #16
Hillary is a pro. Bernie is not. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #18
LOLZ! The FEC has sent him letters 4 months in a row. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #26
That has nothing to do with the current conversation. But you knew that. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #27
Cause Clinton kicks ass in every dominator. Hands down. No ifs, ands, or butttttts. seabeyond Apr 2016 #4
Well, there's also this: Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #5
if their constituents demand they change their vote and they defy the people Csainvestor Apr 2016 #10
MONEY! If you believe that as a grownup you live in a world that is only bought and sold. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #7
These superdelegates need to learn that money doesn't matter if the Csainvestor Apr 2016 #11
Money ALWAYS matters. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #15
It always matters. But I suppose you're in favor of "buying" superdelegates? highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #31
Leaders gonna lead. IADEMO2004 Apr 2016 #8
$$$$$$$$$$$$ NV Whino Apr 2016 #14
Because nobody is convinced he can win. dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #19
Hillary spent 8 years lining this up. She was not going to screw this up like 2008. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #20
Ask yourself how Hillary will govern. Yes she will make deals. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #21
i think she will get more done. DesertFlower Apr 2016 #22
I'm excited for the next 4 years. We may not always like how things come out Gomez163 Apr 2016 #23
the bernie campaign shows hypocrisy in its plan to hijack superdelegates at the convention... msongs Apr 2016 #25
I figure her "victory fund" paid them off. woodsprite Apr 2016 #28
Delaware has 10 automatic delegates. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #32
Bribery AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #29
Here, let me help you Bucky Apr 2016 #30
She's an actual Democrat. grossproffit Apr 2016 #33
They're typical establishment politicians whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #34
^^This^^ farleftlib Apr 2016 #39
How about because they know Sanders? LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #35
Plus she has worked with most of them for years workinclasszero Apr 2016 #36
3. Because they know she'll win nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #38

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
9. I'll give you a hint
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016

She is a member of the Democratic Party.
He is not a member of the Democratic Party.

This is a community that supports each other.

There's benefits to be the outside-the-box candidate, but there are also drawbacks.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
37. Hera About The Lawsuit Re Victory Fund? The Whole Money Laundering Operation Of The "Victory Fund"
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

is a criminal enterprise. Similar in fact to the Clinton errr Foundation... err Washing Machine dedicated to CA$H!

In other words the perpetual "CA$H for Clinton's" Campaign!

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
2. the elected superdelegates need to do the will of people that elected them
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

if they do not vote the way their constituents demand, they will lose their jobs.

are you saying local voters matter less, than voters in a different state when it comes to superdelegates?

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
6. These voters demand this senator superdelegate change his vote.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016



Should he defy his own voters to follow what voters in mississippi want?
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
24. He'll vote for Clinton when she wins on the very first floor vote.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:34 PM
Apr 2016

And I'm sure he'll relish it after the nonstop nastiness of the 'bros.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
3. Hillary is using the HVF to launder money
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

The Joint Fundraising Committee (JFC) is washing/laundering the big dollar donations (in excess of the contributions allowed to HFA, $2700) to solicit small dollar donations to Hillary for America (HFA). Those are outreach dollars that would otherwise have to be spent by HFA, since money is fungible. This is the source of the in-kind donation complaint.

They are abusing the spirit certainly, if not the letter (IANAL), of campaign finance regulations.

I hope progressive minded superdelegates keep this in mind, if they are against the corrupting influence of big money in politics as they purport.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
16. The concept of a Victory fund is distinct from how Hillary is using it.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:25 PM
Apr 2016

There's no evidence Bernie would have abused it as Hillary has.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
27. That has nothing to do with the current conversation. But you knew that.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

Show that my statements are wrong, or at least comment on them. There is a word for off-topic comments intended to derail.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
5. Well, there's also this:
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

It isn't hard to read between the lines, but this year is one of those years when the supers are doing what they're supposed to do.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
10. if their constituents demand they change their vote and they defy the people
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:17 PM
Apr 2016



what do you think should happen to those elected superdelegates?
 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
21. Ask yourself how Hillary will govern. Yes she will make deals.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

Its helps to have most of the Dem caucus on your side. She may get more done then Obama.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
22. i think she will get more done.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

she likes to schmooz -- obama does not. doesn't mean he's a bad prez -- just a different personality.

 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
23. I'm excited for the next 4 years. We may not always like how things come out
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:34 PM
Apr 2016

But at least we know we are in good hands.

woodsprite

(11,924 posts)
28. I figure her "victory fund" paid them off.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:52 PM
Apr 2016

Delaware's primary isn't until the 26th, but all 5 delegates have said they're voting for Hillary. This is not representative democracy. Of course, Carper, Coons and Carney are all DLC sweethearts. Heck, Carper is even a founding member, so I shouldn't be surprised.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
39. ^^This^^
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

Their whole raison d'etre is to prevent any non-establishment candidate from winning.
AFAIK they don't have to justify their vote so they're free to circumvent the will of the voters.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
36. Plus she has worked with most of them for years
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:20 PM
Apr 2016

while Bernie sat up in his ivory tower and threw rocks at them.

Oh and she didn't have a mouthpiece call them corporate whores either.

Cant understand why they don't love Sanders.

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