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Just remember one basic fact folks.... (Original Post) FlatBaroque Apr 2016 OP
True that! auntpurl Apr 2016 #1
I thought the dem party wanted more people to vote. How is this system they helped to put in place haikugal Apr 2016 #2
In the closed primaries, the Dem party wants more DEMOCRATS to vote auntpurl Apr 2016 #3
It will end the Democratic Party. haikugal Apr 2016 #4
Hasn't so far auntpurl Apr 2016 #5
You should look at how many Dems there are... haikugal Apr 2016 #7
Dems won the last 2 presidential election cycles auntpurl Apr 2016 #8
Do you care about the country? haikugal Apr 2016 #10
I AM fine with the way things are going. auntpurl Apr 2016 #12
Well we couldn't be further apart. No, it's OUR country. haikugal Apr 2016 #15
Yes, it's all of ours. auntpurl Apr 2016 #17
Many of us are leaving the Party unless Bernie is the nominee. Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #9
we know...the mantra is established Sheepshank Apr 2016 #16
Welcome to "full ignore." n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #19
Wow, look at that... JSup Apr 2016 #14
The idea that a closed primary (which have been around for many many years) auntpurl Apr 2016 #18
It is. Why else do it. All things can be manipulated as we've seen. So who does this system benefit? haikugal Apr 2016 #23
Nor does one buy them in order to do good. Orsino Apr 2016 #6
One also doesn't beg the question. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #11
Bernie's the one plotting to steal the nomination, so........... IamMab Apr 2016 #13
Good thing nobody's trying to steal then election then... brooklynite Apr 2016 #20
Elisabeth Kubler-Ross says hi. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #21
I think it's time to face facts; most people just don't agree with Bernie Sanders Tarc Apr 2016 #22

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
1. True that!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

And since there is absolutely no evidence that Hillary or her camp have had anything to do with voter irregularities...

And since the voter irregularities in AZ and NY disenfranchised voters who would likely have been voting for Hillary...

And since Bernie's camp is the one saying "Let's overturn the will of the 2.7 million MORE Democratic voters who have voted for Hillary by trying to strong-arm super delegates to declare for us"...

Which one of our candidates is actually trying to "steal" this election?

If Bernie's camp tries to steal this election away from the majority of Democratic voters who have clearly expressed their preference for Hillary, then I agree completely that they do not plan to do good things. Seems more like they plan to massage the ego of a candidate who has not won fair and square.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
2. I thought the dem party wanted more people to vote. How is this system they helped to put in place
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

Getting more voters to the polls. It isn't. So take your numbers, because like so much in our political system they don't mean a damned thing. If you think this has been a clean primary you haven't been paying attention. This isn't about what team you're on it's about our country and democracy. We are an Oligarchy now, not a democracy anymore...that should bother everyone.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
3. In the closed primaries, the Dem party wants more DEMOCRATS to vote
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

Because Democrats get to choose the candidate from their party. Republicans get to choose the candidate from their party. Greens, all the other parties, the same. And then in the GE, the rest of the population gets to choose between the candidates the party has chosen.

I think all primaries should be closed. No caucuses, no open primaries, just Democrats choosing Democrats in a simple process. Mail-in voting would be ideal; then you can recount if there's any trouble. And that's it.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
7. You should look at how many Dems there are...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:34 AM
Apr 2016

Then how many republicans..then check out the unaffiliated.

Here..


http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/party-identification-trends-1992-2014/#total

This is a trend. People are leaving. Parties are defunct and corrupt entities that don't represent the citizens. Then they make it impossible for citizens to vote or almost impossible. Why? Corruption.

You need to educate yourself.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
8. Dems won the last 2 presidential election cycles
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:35 AM
Apr 2016

The last 4 if you count GWB's steals - which I do.

So...I think we're gonna be ok.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
10. Do you care about the country?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

You're in for a very big awakening....but then maybe not. You may be fine with the way things are going.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
12. I AM fine with the way things are going.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016

I want us to continue Obama's progress, and add some of Hillary's ideas to push things forward. I think we are moving in a good direction, and I'm pleased with Democratic leadership. I'd like us to have a little deeper bench when it comes to young superstars in the party, but I think that can be accomplished. In general, I feel content. The majority of Democrats polled feel as I do about Dem leadership and the direction of the country.

And to answer your first question, yes I care very deeply about the country. It's MY country.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
9. Many of us are leaving the Party unless Bernie is the nominee.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

But fortunately, bernie's advantages in money, volunteers and enthusiasm may well mean victory for America and the world.

JSup

(740 posts)
14. Wow, look at that...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

...first they decide that something targeted happened to voter rolls without evidence and now they're making new posts using that speculation, as though it were fact, as a basis for judgment.

Do we not do science in school anymore?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
18. The idea that a closed primary (which have been around for many many years)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:50 AM
Apr 2016

is somehow now VOTE SUPPRESSION in this election cycle is just bonkers.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
23. It is. Why else do it. All things can be manipulated as we've seen. So who does this system benefit?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

Not the majority.

I'm an FDR Democrate not a neoliberal/neocon third way republican light. I think the country is way, way off track and we got here by voting the lesser evil. I refuse to do that anymore and I think the momentum is with me and those like me.

Tarc

(10,469 posts)
22. I think it's time to face facts; most people just don't agree with Bernie Sanders
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

Perhaps he and his followers can wonder just why his message did not appeal to very many women, African-Americans, and Hispanics.

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