Fellow Sanders Voters: Remember That Bernie Has Benefited From Closed Caucuses

[Dem2]

Again, the Rude Pundit has to state, for the record, that he threw his lot in with Bernie Sanders. But, for chrissake, get yer facts together, Bernie voters, or you just sound like you're crazy.

For instance, we love touting the many victories Sanders has and then we turn around and get all angry about how New York held a closed primary - that is, only registered Democrats could vote in it. So, sorry, independents, but go fuck yourselves. This has upset the Sanders side because they think that their candidate would have won an open primary in New York (and that's kind of a big leap).

But that whole discussion is undermined by your very support for Sanders and his victories elsewhere. Because, see, many of the states Sanders has won have held caucuses, not primaries. And those fuckers are almost always meant only for the party faithful. It's their fuckin' rules.

* Colorado. where Sanders beat Hillary Clinton by 19 points? Closed caucus for voting. Anyone could watch, if that's your thing. But only registered Democrats could vote.

* Wyoming, where Sanders won with 56% to 44% for Clinton? Closed.

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While Sanders won the open primaries in Vermont, Oklahoma, New Hampshire, Michigan, and Wisconsin, you could make a strong argument that much of the momentum of his campaign comes from closed caucuses for Democrats only and not from the mythical independent voters. You could also make the case that Clinton has captured those independents because of all the open primaries she's won (Illinois, Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, and more). Sorry, but results are results.

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http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/04/fellow-sanders-voters-remember-that.html

I like the Rude Pundit.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Minnesota has open caucuses.

You don't have to be registered with a party. He kicked butt in Minnesota.

[Dem2]

4. He didn't skip any in the article

Minnesota's rules are fun: You gotta say that you've voted for a Democrat before and intend to vote for a Democrat coming up, but you don't have to be a registered Democrat. You can be thrown out if someone calls you a liar. - See more at: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/04/fellow-sanders-voters-remember-that.html#sthash.GfBJfxAD.dpuf

[Mnpaul]

13. You better read those rules again

All caucus attendees have to do is attest that they’ve voted for their party’s nominee in the past, are intending to vote for their party’s nominee in the future or generally agree with that party.

You only need to attest to one of the three conditions.

[Dem2]

14. Go tell the rude pundit that he got a couple of them not exactly right

I'm sure he'll tell you how much her cares.

[MADem]

2. Ouch.

And DOUBLE OUCH:

You could argue that Sanders has a point when he says that, if the state is paying for the election, everyone should be able to vote, but, c'mon, by that logic, everyone in a state should be allowed to vote out of their districts when the state is paying for the elections. And when Sanders says it's wrong that "3 million people in the state of New York who are independents have lost their right to vote in the Democratic or Republican primary," it's pretty fucking disingenuous and does harm to a nominating process that he agreed to be part of by running as a Democrat, despite not having been a Democrat.

- See more at: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/04/fellow-sanders-voters-remember-that.html#sthash.7SHYJz7m.dpuf

[DemocracyDirect]

3. If those caucuses had been opened to independents, Bernie would have won even bigger.

And some of those "closed caucuses" made it easy to become a Democrat.

What kind of stuff are they pushing here?

[Thinkingabout]

5. If there wasn't any caucuses Hillary would have gotten more delegates and

Votes since many Seniors and disabled was unable to participate. Facts are Hillary is ahead in votes and delegates.

[DemocracyDirect]

6. Wow talking about changing the subject.

Where can I apply to make money for posting?

[Thinkingabout]

9. I haven't changed the subject, reread the op for the subject matter.

In fact you changed the subject.

[Dem2]

10. Are you familiar with the Rude Pundit?

He's been "Proudly lowering the level of political discourse" for many, many years.

[bobbobbins01]

7. He won them because caucuses are about enthusiasm.

The fact that they were closed has nothing to do with it. In fact, that worked against him and his numbers would have been even bigger if they were open.

[Blue_In_AK]

8. I don't know about those other caucus states,

but in Alaska, where Sanders absolutely destroyed Hillary, independents could register for our closed caucus at the event, so even though technically "closed," not really.

[Buttons3345]

11. Silly Bernie Supporters

[beedle]

12. Oh Good, then open up the rest of the primaries and let's test that theory!!

My Gawd yes, let's even redo the closed Caucuses and have them as open primaries ... let's have democracy and if Clinton wins then so be it.

[reformist2]

15. Fair enough.

[mcar]

16. K&R

For facts.

[Dem2]

17. for the rude one!

[Dem2]

18. kick

still relevant.