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[Baobab]

10. She can't win

She's got a toxic level of negative perception in voters.

[brush]

30. Trumps negatives are higher than hers.

Don't get how you guys think people are frothing at the mouth to vote for that racist, woman-hating, immigrant-hating, Muslim-hating, wall-building demagogue.

And there are videos all over that show him making outrageous statements on all of the above.

The ads make themselves and we'll run them 24/7.

In the debates Clinton will destroy him as he knows absolutely nothing on domestic policy but wisecracks.

Foreign policy, he knows even less. She'll walk circles around and make him look like the uninformed blowhard he is.

[Baobab]

32. Trump will pick up independents, Hillary wont

end of story

[brush]

45. End of story nothing. Indies are not a monolith. Some lean left, some right, some are moderates

Clinton will get her share just as Obama did.

Things are nowhere near as Trump will, Clinton won't. It's never been that way.

[Baobab]

60. Clinton is seem as to the right of Trump

and there may be some truth to that.

[brush]

68. That's a meme concocted by Sanders' supporters.

I wouldn't put much stock in it if I were you.

[TM99]

95. Indeed.

And right leaning independents will come out in droves to vote AGAINST another hated Clinton.

A small percentage of moderates will swing both ways as Trump's vile rhetoric doesn't really match his rather moderate political positions on many things.

And the left leaning independents have received nothing but scorn, derision, and disrespect this campaign season. Clinton is not a leftist so we will either sit out, vote only for down ticket races, or vote third party.

Why oh why is this so hard for y'all to get?!

Right leaning independents have a reason to vote for Trump. Left leaning independents have no reasons to vote for Clinton. She and y'all revile us so....

[Hoyt]

46. Well, that tells you something about Independents. If they vote for T, they are likely

racist Libertarians.

[Baobab]

64. You're so slick

Proud of yourself?

[revmclaren]

83. Of course they are. Was there any doubt?

But only a small percentage of voters. Those with any sense will see the danger and stop the GOP. The others were Trumpers from the start pretending to be Sanders supporters to destroy Democrats from the inside. Soon they will be gone from here and on other Liberal forums. And once Warren gets behind Clinton, They become non-entities.

It will be glorious!

[Skink]

2. Take cover

[silvershadow]

14. From what? A poll? If they alert on a poll then this place is rigged. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Show me a recent head-to-head poll where Trump beats Hillary

Your graphic is full of shit.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

[silvershadow]

5. Reuters was quoted in the meme. Details within. Feel free to look it up. nt

[cheapdate]

22. Okay. Let's look it up.

Here's Rueters head-to-head polling on Trump v. Clinton.

http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_13

These results go back to the date on the meme, and at no time has Rueters polling ever had Trump ahead of Hillary.

What's up with that?

[silvershadow]

24. No you look it up. I believe it. nt

[cheapdate]

31. I did look it up. And I posted the link to Rueters.

You can believe whatever you want to. But the meme is false. It's made up.

[silvershadow]

33. Oh there's your problem. I indicated the exact source, which is in the meme. I don't know

what the current one is, or what circumstances your link was collected in. They may not even be comparable. I can only address the one located in the meme, which is accurate.

[cheapdate]

57. Apparently, through a combination

of how they work rolling averages and the time-frames on each 30-day presentation, there was a single day that occurred on 3/18 that had Trump ahead by 1 point. That day quickly disappeared from subsequent presentations -- erased by rolling averages. It was a brief moment.

Rueters currently has HRC ahead of Trump by around 9 points.

[silvershadow]

77. Wait until he is the nominee. That will change in a nanosecond. She will get crushed.nt

[cheapdate]

91. I don't believe it.

Trump has won something like 35% of Republican primary votes. There are something like 60-65% of Republican voters that voted for others. Some portion of those voters really, really, don't like Trump. He's not especially popular in his own party.

When the general election season starts, the negative ads against Trump will be devastating to a lot of people, including independents.

I think Trump would lose huge against Hillary. Not only getting beaten by record amounts, but also hurting down-ticket Republicans everywhere.

If Bernie wins the nomination, great. HRC or Sanders will beat Trump easily. HRC would probably be better overall for down-ticket Democrats, in the South and elsewhere.

[nolawarlock]

92. Go on, keep moving it ...

[Squinch]

38. This week she beats him by 11%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[MADem]

12. Of course it's full of shit, but you can't tell them that. They NEED to BELIEVE....

...and they need to trash, slash and 'bern.'

Like it matters. It's just petulant spoil-sporting. Anger, tears, threats of recriminations. The usual.

Doesn't change the math.

[silvershadow]

16. Hilary net negative of 63%. Bernie net positive of 71%. Who is delusional? nt

[MADem]

18. ....keep telling yourself that. nt

[onenote]

101. got a link to a "net' negative of 63 for Clinton

That's three times the net negative that the NYTimes/CBS poll had one month ago:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton-viewed-unfavorably-by-majority-cbsnyt-poll/

If you are going to toss out numbers, you should back them up.

[silvershadow]

103. Yes, but it has been talked about over and over, so you can do your own research.nt

[Admiral Loinpresser]

25. Welcome to "full ignore." n/t

[MADem]

50. Awwww, I'm crushed (not).

You will likely be gone soon of your own accord, anyway.


Until the next time.


You only turn up during elections, and then you disappear. Ta-da, then!

[Beacool]

88. Of course they're full of shit.

They have become bitter and nasty. They can't seem to grasp the fact that more Democrats want Hillary to be their nominee than they want Sanders. Some even seem to take a perverse pleasure in thinking that Trump could win. Sick, just sick......

[DemocracyDirect]

4. Truth.

They have always underestimated Trump.

If he is the Republican nominee he will head to the center-left on economic issues.

Many people don't realize that social issues are set in stone now because they have been established bottom-up.

[Squinch]

35. This week's poll has Hillary beating Trump by 11%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I had a few moment of doubt that trump woudl be their nominee

but I have been taking him seriously since at least July of last year. The Rs are trying hard for a brokered, but...

[silvershadow]

9. It will be Trump, and he's sly like a fox. He will win. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. We have been taking him very seriously

after WI the math looked like he would be in trouble, but now he will get well within 100 delegates... and the Rs will be nuts (but entertaining if they do it) not to. The Riot outside would be a hell of a story... and at least I can watch the stream. Riots in person are quite not the fun affair.

[splat]

7. Women hate Trump. Hate. n/t

[silvershadow]

13. 63% of all Americans view Clinton unfavorably. She is underwater before the general. Bernie is

the only candidate with net Positives of 71%. The difference could not be more stark, obvious, or in your face.

[MADem]

29. The minute Bernie's rather suspect essays got wide distribution, his favorables would disappear like

morning dew on a hot summer day.

That pervy shit doesn't go over well in the Bible belt.

Democrats have been too polite to mention Sanders' many failings--and his personal life, his writings, and a host of other issues are like ripe fruit waiting to be plucked.


Republicans wouldn't be so circumspect. That shit would be in the fan and splattering everywhere.

But it won't matter and it won't happen, because he's done. It's all down to math, and we'll just have to wait it out until he sees the futility of his situation, and his Best Paid Aides (Devine/Weaver) realize there's no more money to suck out of the machine. This will go on for awhile, but the result will be the same if he concedes now or next month or the month after.

[nolawarlock]

97. Yeah ...

I don't think Mr. Rape Fantasy is going to play well with Middle America.

[jmg257]

23. YOu might be surprised. nt

[peacebird]

8. Hillites care not. As long as their Queen gets the nom they are SURE the "fear fear 9/11 Trump" will

Get her the cowering masses approval.

If she ascends the throne (yuuuuuuge IF), her reign will be cut very short by the impeachment without a friendly senate to save her.


Could be worth investing in some popcorn...!

[cheapdate]

36. Hey, wow. Second time I've seen the "queen" metaphor today.

The first was a post by a right-winger over at another board. I considered replying to his inane post with an equally inane response, but...nah.

Okay, we now officially have a new derogatory way to refer to one of the Democratic candidates and their supporters. Hooray!

[Lizzie Poppet]

48. Would you prefer Princess Weathervane?

[cheapdate]

65. How about just untrustworthy and a compulsive liar?

Remember, the objective is to damage the possible Democratic standard bearer as much as possible ahead of the general election in November. I think "compulsive liar" works better than the cuter, cleverer metaphors. Don't you?

[Lizzie Poppet]

70. It is probably _slightly_ hyperbolic...

...but only slightly.

[cheapdate]

76. Doesn't matter. It pops. Will turn a lot of voters off.

[NCTraveler]

37. Hillites/Queen/Ascends the Throne/Reign/Impeachment

[HereSince1628]

11. Independents aren't coming to the coronation

and there's no certainty at all that Sanders supporters will pledge fealty.

If she beats Trump, I'm betting she's gonna start at the point of support where the disappointment for Obama left off.

[KelleyD]

15. So you are endorsing Trump...nice to know!

[Starry Messenger]

20. Ahahahahahahahaha

[DJ13]

21. The greatest danger to Hillary from Trump is that he's actually

more of a democrat than Hillary, so he can pivot to a real liberal position probably easier than she can.

What makes this funny is that the GOP has been conned into electing a moderate (in most things) while the Democrats have moved to nominate a fairly conservative candidate.

Its nuts.

[silvershadow]

26. They are delusional at this point. nt

[oberliner]

27. He wants to ban Muslims from entering the country and criminalize abortion

And build a war with Mexico.

These are his stated positions.

[DJ13]

41. During the primaries, yep

But there are a lot of political experts who think that once he has secured the nomination his advisers will have him pivot back towards the center, expecting Hillary will abandon it for the GE since its really not where she's comfortable.

That possibility is why so many polls have Hillary losing to Trump, and why Bernie always did better against him.

[oberliner]

53. The wall thing is his claim to fame

It's what he built the whole campaign on.

[BillZBubb]

43. And that's the kind of rhetoric he needed to get the repub nomination.

But Trump has a huge advantage that he's not philosophically boxed into any position. He will definitely tone that way down once he's got the republican nod. He's got leeway to modify his positions.

He's going to come across as much more reasonable. He'll continue to be very aggressive in mocking his opponent, but on the issues he's going to sell himself as a moderate. He's a master of TV and self promotion. He knows what his target audience wants to hear and he'll deliver it.

He's already to the left of Hillary on several issues and I'd expect that to extend to more. He'll sew up the independent vote and win the election--independents mainly don't like Hillary and will be more than happy to vote for a reasonable alternative. Trump knows that.

[oberliner]

49. He says the wall thing in every speech

It's like a call and response.

[BillZBubb]

61. And he's still trying to lock up the republican nomination--just as I said.

Once he's got that done, he'll tone down his approach. He'll still want to build a wall but how he characterizes it will change.

A majority of Americans have no problem with building a wall or don't see it as a big issue. That's not going to hurt trump at all--he would lose most of the Hispanic vote under any circumstances.

[oberliner]

81. He can't win the general if he loses most of the Hispanic vote

This Poll Of Latino Voters Should Terrify The Republican Party

The Republican presidential nominee will need as many as 40 percent of Latino voters in some states to clinch a win in November. But ever since Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump built his campaign on promises to deport the country’s 11.3 million undocumented population and claims of Mexican immigrant rapists and drug dealers, his unpopularity has soared among Latinos.

And now there’s evidence that Latino voters may be “enthusiastic” to hit the polls in November to defeat Trump’s anti-immigrant, anti-Latino agenda.

A national poll released Thursday by America’s Voice and Latino Decisions found that 79 percent of voters had a “very unfavorable” opinion of Trump, with a total of 87 percent of Latinos finding him generally unfavorable. When asked about Trump’s policy plan to deport the country’s 11.3 million undocumented population, 80 percent of Latino voters indicated that they were “much less likely to vote for Trump,” with a total of 87 percent of voters less likely to vote for Trump generally.

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2016/04/21/3771663/latino-decisions-april-poll/

He will lose to Hillary in a landslide.

[Seeinghope]

62. Seriously! The funny thing is that Tump knows the big money players more so than the Clintons

I wonder if Hillary will be prepared (as in all of the tricks and Wall Street support) if she is running against Trump.

[shanti]

87. the trumps and the clintons

ARE friends, you know. they probably know the same people....the club we aren't in.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. It is not crazy

that is exactly how a party realignment works.

If he pulls it off, and wins and rules from the left of the current D side, it's complete

[DJ13]

100. If he pulls it off, and wins and rules from the left of the current D side, it's complete

Then all the far right, diehard lunatic conservatives jump ship from the GOP over to the Democratlc party, and we're all screwed up!

[closeupready]

28. Seems more clear than ever - this is The People vs. Corporate Power.

The corporate candidate will lose BIG TIME to the People's Choice.

[Seeinghope]

69. Trump is a combination of both though

[Squinch]

34. Except you are wrong. This week the polls say she'll beat Trump by 11%.

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl Clinton 50, Trump 39 Clinton +11

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[silvershadow]

39. The meme is accurate, as it contains the date. nt

[Squinch]

42. And yet, none of the polls from that date showed those results. So, no it isn't.

And really? Stumping for Trump? Feeling any shame or anything?

[silvershadow]

52. Since you didn't follow directions, here is the link to the mainstream news story:

https://medium.com/@webconnoisseur/latest-reuters-data-shows-hillary-losing-to-trump-but-bernie-wins-d322d691ce17#.ocac883ki

[Squinch]

59. Here's Real Clear Politics. Trump has never beaten Hillary:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[silvershadow]

74. And yet there is a mainstream news story to support my position. nt

[Seeinghope]

72. Wait until he is fully focused on her. It might be interesting.

[kstewart33]

40. If you hate Hillary so much that you would prefer that Trump wins the election,

what the heck are you doing here? This is DU, not the Trump Palace in Las Vegas, dude.

He wins, 22 million people lose their health insurance.

Get a grip!

[grossproffit]

51. We have our share of bigots/racists posting here. HRC's South Carolina win was a real EYE OPENER

Sheets were falling left and right.

[BillZBubb]

55. As usual, you miss the point.

It isn't a preference. It is a warning that Hillary is a poor choice for our nominee. Nominate her and there is a good chance we get president trump. Independents don't like her and they will decide the outcome.

[grossproffit]

58. Yet, she's beating the pants off of Sanders.

[BillZBubb]

66. She's doing so among Democrats--30% of the electorate.

Her problem is the other 70% view her very negatively. That's why she's a bad choice. She will have trouble winning independent voters and bringing in new voters. It's a recipe for a GE loss.

[hollowdweller]

82. Hillary will lose all of the independants and all of the republicans.

There are quite a few independents who would never vote for Hillary.

She will also lose a lot of blue collar dems due to being so vocal on wanting restrictions on gun owners.

I think the strategy has to be to stir up so much fear about a Trump candidacy that it scares some non dems into voting for her.

We are sort of like we were in 2004. Dems are electing who they think will be the most electable in the general vs a truly bad candidate Bush/Trump.

[MADem]

67. It takes no small amount of delusion to think that a loser in one contest will suddenly, magically,

become a winner "because Bernie."

If anything, his already evident weaknesses will be heightened, sharpened, exploited (like they haven't been to this point) by his opponent--that is, of course, if he could find a magical way to the nomination (which is very unlikely to happen).

It defies logic to think that he'll find a way forward, but logic is in short supply these days. Trump and Cruz sure want him to be the nominee, though. They're bending over backwards to tout the idea!

[Seeinghope]

79. Not really. There have been too many primaries that have had serious problems like

Voter's being purged, polling places being changed, not open, too many people at polling places in over 100 degree weather waiting for hours, machines not working.....too many problems to accept the results without doubts.

[grossproffit]

44. She'll pulverize him. Bookmark that!

[Hoyt]

54. Exactly.

[Squinch]

75. Lots of "Democrats" rooting for Trump in this thread. Kind of disgusting.

And yes. She will.

[Demsrule86]

85. She will beat Trump

And yes some of those so-called Bernie supporters are really Trump supporters...they know after a super swiftboating...Bernie would be toast...which is why the Joe Scarborough loooves Bernie

[DCBob]

47. The Reuters polling website has Hillary leading 41-34.

http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_13

That chart can be manipulated to get almost any result you want. The link above is the default settings with no filters.

[grossproffit]

56. Sanders is still enjoying his honeymoon phase. No one's really gone after him at all.

[DCBob]

73. Yep.. got that right.

[silvershadow]

94. That is now. Wait until the general. He hired someone to help him transition into general mode.

He is pivoting quickly. He will hit her so hard out of the gate she won't ever recover. It will be a bloodbath.

[SFnomad]

63. Go to the Reuters website, in the last 7 weeks, it shows 1 day tRump was beating Secretary Clinton

Just goes to show you how much the BS Cheerleaders have to lie and take things out of context ... just like a right wingnut.

Right now, Secretary Clinton would beat tRump, easily.

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_13/filters/PD1:1/dates/20160301-20160419/type/day

[silvershadow]

89. He wouldn't have to hook far, just tone it down. He's already to the left of her. nt

[Tarc]

80. So basically, you cherry-picked the sole poll tht has Trump within the margin of error

When most have her topping Trump by 10 or more.

The Donald is a vile, racist, xenophobic scumbag who is the best minority vote mobilizer in decades. Everyone with a conscience can see how disastrous his presidency would be, he'll lose in a landslide.

[Beacool]

84. Bull........

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

[silvershadow]

86. But we aren't even in the general yet. Besides there are a huge swath of people who

already won't vote for her under any circumstances. You are whistling past the graveyard.

[Beacool]

90. Some of you seem to take pleasure in thinking that a swath of people may not vote for Hillary.

Well, guess what, your candidate will not be the nominee. He neither has the lead in pledged delegates or the popular vote. The people have spoken, end of story.

[nolawarlock]

93. This meme is absolutely bogus.

Maybe it was true for what, five minutes? Reuters polling has Clinton way ahead and other polls have her ahead of Trump as well. Some have Bernie a little further ahead but not by a percentage that won't be eaten for breakfast once the Republicans start doing their daily red-baiting. Let's not forget, most of that crew calls Hillary a socialist. I can only imagine what they're gonna do with Bernie. My sense is that he'd beat Trump as well, just not by any greater margin than Hillary would. Probably less.

[Stallion]

96. WRONG!!! Same Poll Has Clinton Up +11 TODAY-Which 45th Straight Poll Clinton Has STOMPED Trump

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

[silvershadow]

98. Wait until the general. He will deliver one body blow after another. She will be on the mat

within hours and never get up.

[bettyellen]

99. 29 recs for a provable lie. Hillary is 11 ahead according to Rueters....

And you know it but just don't care enough to stop spreading bullshit. Delusions.

[still_one]

102. really? because every legitimate poll out their says the opposite, but keep spewing the bullshit

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html