Which of the 5 stages of grief are Bernie supporters in?

[UMTerp01]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by truebrit71 (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

I say its a mix between Denial and Anger. I've only seen a few get to Bargaining so far. Chin up y'all.

[angstlessk]

1. I guess we are at the fighting stage

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi

[UMTerp01]

7. So denial then n/t

[angstlessk]

10. You wish n/t

[Blanks]

101. Looks like it. eom

[AgingAmerican]

2. Hillary supporters are at the "Neener! Neener! Neener!" stage

[UMTerp01]

8. So the anger stage for you nt

[AgingAmerican]

25. Im not at any stage

Are you at the 'Neener! Neener! Neener!' stage, or have you graduated to the 'Mock and talk down to' stage?

Hillary's supporters have the most bizarre GOTV style I have ever seen...

[TM99]

29. Well Brock is hiring operatives

to attack Sanders supporters on the internet so I would take this OP with a huge grain of salt!

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Good point and that reads like a... talking point

[TM99]

45. Doesn't it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. They started that one two days ago

I just find it comical at this point, since many of us are so well beyond whatever they are trying.

But Manufacturing Consent is what is at play.

Hey David, your employees will only make many of us laugh at this point.

[TM99]

47. No shit, like they think

we are too stupid and/or naive to see what is going on.

Hey we are going to start an astro-turfing campaign. Oh wait, pay no attention to our astro-turfers!

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. absolutely

it is almost... childish... alas it works in some places though.

[Bubzer]

75. Oooh Oooh! Can I play too?!? I'm at the; Never Voting for Hillary, stage. Where does that one fall?

Aaaactually, don't bother answering, cause you're at the "getting ignored" stage! Byeeeeee!

[WiffenPoof]

84. LOLOLOLOL....

Don't know why that struck me as funny.

[djean111]

3. Bernie supporters know that there is no bargaining with a politician who lies and panders.

So - condescend and jeer away! To a room devoid of Bernie supporters who give a shit about useless bargaining.

[UMTerp01]

17. Anger nt

[djean111]

24. No, sorry, laughing my ass off. Pretty calm, have made my decisions and feel good about them.

No anger, hair not on fire, none of the hyperbolic stuff that, evidently, Hillary's supporters dream about.
Oh, and no mommy issues - that was another hilarious screed. Good grief.

[panader0]

95. If you're getting paid by the word, you should have sentences.

If it's by the post, you're doing fine.

[bigwillq]

4. None of the stages

I expected Hillary to win the nomination as soon as she announced. Bernie, though, is doing much better than I expected him to. It's been a great race. Cheers to Hillary and her team.

[Gwhittey]

5. So how does one become a paid online poster?

Did you answer a ad or where you just working for Brock and got the job as it opened?

[UMTerp01]

13. Anger nt

[Luminous Animal]

6. Nice try. No cigar.

[UMTerp01]

14. Anger nt

[Luminous Animal]

20. Peace. I love word association…. Kittens (n/t)

[Art_from_Ark]

19. Aw, give him a cigar.

[Luminous Animal]

30. Trying to. Anger… getting… in… the… way….

[panader0]

96. Does the cigar have the "Lewinski treatment"?

[lumberjack_jeff]

9. I'm still at "Bring it, fuckers". YMMV. n/t

[HERVEPA]

11. Intelligence not your strong suit eh?

[UMTerp01]

15. Anger nt

[HERVEPA]

18. Obnoxious post. Learn some manners.

[UMTerp01]

21. Why is it obnoxious?

Hillary folks went through the same thing in 2008 when it became clear that she was not going to win the nomination. Its not that far fetched of a question to ask.

[AgingAmerican]

27. You seem hellbent on driving people away from the Democratic party

Why is that?

[UMTerp01]

32. Ummm...I should not have that much power over you

How am I hellbent on driving people away from the party?

[AgingAmerican]

36. You also come across as angry

nt

[HERVEPA]

38. I would say more stupid than angry

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. I got another term in mind

[HERVEPA]

73. Well, I guess that's one way t' roll

[whathehell]

77. Yes, it assumes too much, like "When did you stop beating your wife?

This Bernie supporter isn't playing.

[Dem2]

12. The best I can tell the five stages are angry, anger, angry, angry, anger

OK, I'm exaggerating, the majority of people are reasonable it's just that we only see the posts of the most fired up people

[snowy owl]

16. Who died? I missed it.

[dlwickham]

23. Bernie's campaign

[akbacchus_BC]

60. Bernie's campaign has not died. It just goes to show how horrible Clinton's

supporters are. What an assine statement! If Bernie concedes, do you really think his supporters will support Mrs. Clinton with that assholery statement of yours?

[NurseJackie]

69. There we go: "bargaining" right?

I think it's safe to say that you overestimate that person's "influence" beyond the walls of DU. It's also true that mature voters aren't influenced by what anonymous posters say to each other on this web site. It's amazing to think that someone would change their vote (or not vote at all) to get revenge on an anonymous adversary.

[HassleCat]

22. The world is but a stage. (eom)

[northernsouthern]

26. You do know...

Neither party can win enough at this point...so it seem like you are either in denial or if projection is one...

[nolawarlock]

61. They don't need to.

Whoever comes closest will get the super delegate boost.

Oh, and my signature should meet with your approval now. It's sourced and linked.

[Amaril]

92. If you're going to quote it, at least quote it in context

A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.

A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.

The man and woman get dressed up on Sunday — and go to Church, or maybe to their 'revolutionary' political meeting.

Have you ever looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like 'Girl 12 raped by 14 men' sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?

It's an excerpt from a satirical essay he wrote attacking gender stereotypes in 1972 for an alternative magazine.


Next.

[nolawarlock]

107. Even in the full context ...

It's still a disgusting example of rape culture. To what in us are they appealing indeed.

As for the full context, that's why the banner is a clickable link. They can read the full context on Snopes.

[Amaril]

109. Then why only paste one line?

That's ok, we know why. It was an attempt -- by you -- to paint Sanders as a misogynist, which he is not.

And yes, it is a commentary on rape culture before commenting on rape culture was "cool". He wrote this in 1972 as a satirical commentary on societal stereotypes, and the roles of men & women in sexual relationships.

You have no "smoking gun" against Bernie in this. This is no more of a "thing" than Hillary being a Goldwater Girl. You do know what Goldwater was most famous for, right?

[nolawarlock]

112. Well, we will let the readers decide ...

... and the lurkers ... and the reporters ... and whoever else reads this site.

[Amaril]

114. Yeah, I don't think it's having the impact you hoped for

You'll note that I'm the only person who has commented on it.

[nolawarlock]

115. We'll see won't we.

There's the short term bang and then there's the long term game.

[Amaril]

116. And when your weapon of choice.........

......is an inflammatory shell game as opposed to honest representation, you may get some "Oh My Gods!" in the short term, but this is a smart group of people...........your "strategy" will eventually be seen for the intellect-insulting flame-bait it is.

But, hey, have fun with it! Sorry you feel you have to distort a 44 year old essay to win support for your candidate. That must be a very sad & lonely place.

[nolawarlock]

108. And also,

the Snopes page that the banner links to explains both negative and positive lights that this quote could be looked at in. So Snopes lets the reader decide on intent. I personally think it's a terrible way to see women.

[Amaril]

110. I agree it is a terrible way to see women.

So does Bernie........that's why he wrote it.

[nolawarlock]

113. Is it? nt

[Katashi_itto]

28. Ah a baiter. Off to ignore.

[Dem2]

34. Master?

[Katashi_itto]

64. Exactly what i was thinking.

[dana_b]

85. yep! At least they make it easy n/t

[MADem]

31. They are in the "Let's Alert Mindlessly on HRC Supporters" stage!

One little cowardly shit got me locked out of my own thread because he/she didn't like my POV.

Of course, MOST BS supporters aren't like that--but the ones that are?

They make this place suck.

Authoritarian little net nannies.

I hope the admins toss 'em over the side.

[Generic Other]

33. I actually went through the stages already

only it was about the state of the Democratic party. I am pretty much accepting that it is not the party I once believed it to be.

[k8conant]

35. I am not grieving...

except for your loss of civility.

[oldandhappy]

37. Dedication to an on-going movement!

We have issues requiring our work now and in the future. Joy to have something true to believe in.

[islandmkl]

39. you, as often is the case, are trying make some snarky example by using a tool that you

merely cut & paste because, after all, you can read all the words which means 'you know what they mean'...or not, but definitely one of the two...

it appears you are using the WRONG STAGES delineation...when considering Bernie supporters you should be using a guide to the 'STAGES OF CONSCIOUS AWARENESS' which, understandably, you are not remotely aware of yourself:

Stage 1: Breaking Negative Confluence and Dealing with Negative Emotions

Stage 2: Positive Confluence

Stage 3: Positive Lucidity

plus, you might be stuck at the bottom of this pyramid:

[frylock]

49. Well played.

[deathrind]

40. No stage...

However I am still confounded by the fact that the Democratic Party finally for the first time in my half century of existence had a candidate that was openly campaigning on the core principles/values the Democratic Party has wanted or at least used to want. Economic, Education, Healthcare, Defense, Financial reform and the DNC, the establishment and many voters turned their back on him.

We had the chance to put a candidate into the White House who would have actually made a difference.

Congratulations on your win, I wish you the best of luck.

[msongs]

42. used tohate her, still hate her, keep hating her, never stop hating her oh thats only 4 nt

[Meteor Man]

44. We Be Jammin'

Best 4/20 ever! Happy Kush Day!

[frylock]

50. UmmmmmmDerp

[w4rma]

51. Clintonites are in the "denial" stage, since they've turned off an entire generation to them. (nt)

[msongs]

54. wrong again I know quite a few 20 somethings who are voting for hillary. not an issue nt

[w4rma]

55. As I said, you're in denial: Your logical fallacy is anecdotal

You used a personal experience or an isolated example instead of a sound argument or compelling evidence.

It's often much easier for people to believe someone's testimony as opposed to understanding complex data and variation across a continuum. Quantitative scientific measures are almost always more accurate than personal perceptions and experiences, but our inclination is to believe that which is tangible to us, and/or the word of someone we trust over a more 'abstract' statistical reality.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

[arikara]

52. Is this part of Disqualify, Defeat, and Unite the party later?

Which one is this? I say its a mix between disqualify and defeat.
This bullshit will never get it to Unite.

IF HRH manages to wangle the nom..

[UMTerp01]

53. Good giref take the stick out!!!!

Post was honestly not meant to be snarky but I guess I forgot where I was. Clinton folks in 08 also talked about going through the 5 stages of grief. Not everything is some extra dramatic anti-Bernie shit some of y'all are always making any post that is not kissing his ass.

[Maedhros]

56. Ignore the provocation, people.

/ignore list.

[MuseRider]

81. Yup

mine has grown huge lately.

I have kept a good group of people. Many are Hillary supporters who truly are in this for good. We disagree but they never pull the "Don't cha wish you could join our country club? Sorry, you are not good enough to join but you can help us build it.". That other group is gone for good. People I have liked for over a decade but never knew they had that in them.

It makes DU functional again and I feel much less turmoil and do not risk hides.

[akbacchus_BC]

57. I am still hoping Mr. Sanders is the nominee. One can hope!

[Unicorn]

62. +1. And I expect we may get that revolution if he isn't -

in the party anyway. I keep wondering what's going to be left of it.
Not that I should care. I'll go with the rest of the disenfranchized progressives.

[randome]

78. Yes, but you're a unicorn so...

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[Unicorn]

80. I picked it because of Bernie - the rainbows and unicorns candidate. This one's fighting.

I voted for Bernie in my primary and will support him till the end.

[randome]

87. Nothing at all wrong with that.

Despite what some say, I think Sanders would beat Trump easily. I don't expect him to be the nominee, either, but I'm okay if he is.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[Warren DeMontague]

58. What stage are some Clinton supporters in?

Depends.

[akbacchus_BC]

59. You are too funny! Are you from that Cave?

We are not biting when asked, we just ignore the likes of you. We are not in denial, it is a long way to go!

[Maru Kitteh]

63. I'm going with

[Vattel]

65. Hillary supporters are still in denial about her being a warmonger.

[B Calm]

66. Trashing Thread

[pinebox]

67. Grief? Because our democracy is dead

She is under an FBI investigation.
She does speeches for $250k each
She was against same sex marriage
She voted for Iraq
She continuously lies & spins things (sniper fire)
Shady weapons deals to Saudi Arabia which benefited the Clinton Foundation
Syria
Honduras coup
DADT
Big donations from big pharma
Supported Bill's welfare reform
Voted for offshore drilling
Voted for a border fence
Bankruptcy bill which hurt millions including students
TPP
Shells for hiding taxes
Ran a racist ad at 3am against Obama
Called Iraq a "business opportunity"
KXL
Birther movement
Pro regime change
Fracking

On and on. Yet it's all ignored by her supporters because "it's her turn!"
What I listed above is only a small part of the overall issue. These are facts and yet because it's Hillary, she gets a pass.
Nope. Not doing it. Either are millions of others.

[SwampG8r]

68. Anger and denial

Angry at the dnc for rigging the primaries
Denial of my vote for hrc
Hows that? Keep unifying hrh supporters!
pres kasich thanks you all.

[baldguy]

70. It's hard to tell, because denial and anger seem to be an ingrained part of their dogma.

Comes from using the RW as their style guide, I guess.

[Cobalt Violet]

71. There are still a lot of delegates up for grabs. Duh!

[DrDan]

72. I think this is a unique form of grief - anger will partner with all of the others as they progress

through the process.

I think the responses so far bear that out. What an angry bunch.

[wendylaroux]

86. If Hilly gets the nomination,what can we expect from you all when she loses?

Oh my! don't think you all could survive any snark could you?

[FlatBaroque]

74. 2 BrockBucks for you!!

See you at the convention. Tell Hill best not to wear orange.

[Orsino]

76. Another goddamned "supporters" thread. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. This might not be helpful.

I use the Elisabeth Kubler-Ross card too but it usually in response to an attack on Sec. Clinton.

[jack_krass]

82. I'm at the KMFA stage.

[panader0]

99. ^^^THIS^^^

[Beowulf]

83. What's the point of this?

Seriously? What constructive purpose does this serve?

[DookDook]

97. My theory?

I think they get paid based on how many responses they get.



I'm surprised they got as many responses as they did.

[Octafish]

88. Anger make you happy?

Chins up!

[wendylaroux]

89. This is what hilly paid for with that million dollars? a troll like you? meh..

[Hiraeth]

90. Member since: Sat Mar 5, 2016, 03:32 PM = Welcome to Ignore.

[shawn703]

91. The Kübler-Ross model is not based on any scientific evidence

Like many other psychological "theories".

[UMTerp01]

93. So sensitive. I asked Hillary folk the same thing in 08. But since some of y'all are so pressed...

[99Forever]

94. I'm at stage 0.

How's that fit into your infantile fucking weak sauce attempt at snark?


Mmmmmmmmmm punkin?

[DebDoo]

98. Stage 0: "good grief" - as in, Enough with your hubris

[Armstead]

100. i'M at the Tired of Seeing Moronic Posts Stage

[mcranor]

103. You're so good at what you do....

...being a Colossal Asshole, I mean.

Is it your profession, or just a hobby?

[Buzz Clik]

104. It's a South Park character progression

1. Innocence and enthusiasm: Butters





2. As the race heated up, they were ok, but had the ability to be a bit nasty. Stan




3. When losing became quite clear, they became angry and vindictive: Cartman




4. As the inevitability approach, they began losing touch completely: Tweek




5. Eventually, they abandon all hope and regress to a state of post-infantile toddler: Ike




They currently are between Cartman and Tweek.

[NurseJackie]

117. OMG! This totally had me like...

[2pooped2pop]

105. I think we are in the GOTCHA BY THE BALLS, NOT LETTING GO stage

or that could just be me.

[merrily]

106. Clueless post.

[Avalux]

111. Grief? Hardly. We are just getting started!

Bernie's quest for the Democratic presidential nominee may not happen as we would have liked, but we're not stopping keeping his message alive. This is a movement and I'm excited to see where we go from here.

Thanks for your concern though!

[Admiral Loinpresser]

118. Welcome to "full ignore." n/t